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Mar 19, 2012 3:47 PM
#101
Mar 19, 2012 4:18 PM
#102
O JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANNNA KNOW WHAT THAT DIARY SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!! X_________X and Yuno, I FUCKING HATE YOU, YOU FAKE PIECE OF SHIT! AND AMANO WILL ALWAYS BE A PUSSY! -___- |
Mar 19, 2012 4:40 PM
#103
Epic episode that i was anticipating didn't disappoint; they actually fit more into one episode then i thought they would, and i gotta say it was epic just like the manga; i think my only complaint with the whole thing was censoring T_T... 4 episodes, well i guess i can see how they would need that many, i think its gonna slow down a bit in pace tho; no more episodes like 20. |
Mar 19, 2012 4:41 PM
#104
mind fucked :S |
Mar 19, 2012 5:05 PM
#105
So much hate for poor Yuno... hate the game, not the player! If anyone is deserving of hate in this it is Deus himself for establishing a game that is psychologically destroying the winners. Many of the diary holders were unstable, some were serial killers, and the one's who were relatively normal (social isolate Yuki and stalker Yuno) have had to go through a lot of trauma in the first 21 episodes. Too bad about Hinata and the others, but after what went down in the office towers previously they should have known not to get in Yuki's way. He really can be just as homicidal as Yuno (which I believe is the chief qualifaction for becoming a god, right?). As for Akise--he's not even a real boy! Just a construct built by Deus, and returned to the gameboard because he actually developed feelings towards Yuki while he was observing him. As for Yuno, from what I've gleaned from the spoilers, I can't help but feel sorry for her. When everything is revealed I hope people wil reassess her personality. as the Homura figure (Madoka reference) she really has gone through hell twice in order to save Yuki. Playing the game once has destroyed most people's grip on reality, but twice? Put that in the context of just what she had to do to herself and her family in order to enter the game the second time around, and you can see how everything except her love for Yuki has been burned away. |
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Mar 19, 2012 5:13 PM
#106
Kyo_Kagami said: Fuck this episode, it was good, but i seriously hated it, All that rage. Fuck Yuno, that bitch should die. Totally agree. I really hate Yuno -.- |
Mar 19, 2012 5:29 PM
#108
I was cheering up for Yuki instead of Yuno for the first time in Mirai Nikki feels good man lol 4 more episodes lol how I want that also, sucks to see Mao die, she was the hottest :( also, my suspicions that something is wrong with Akise turned out sorta right... but here goes the question when Akise said that he loves Yukiteru And Deus dismissed it as something that is nor originally Aru's that means that Deus.... ohgodohmanohgodohman |
Mar 19, 2012 5:44 PM
#109
nathanr said: but here goes the question when Akise said that he loves Yukiteru And Deus dismissed it as something that is nor originally Aru's that means that Deus.... ohgodohmanohgodohman Dues X Yuki OTP. |
Mar 19, 2012 6:17 PM
#110
Sebulon said: Yuno would never hurt Yukki, right?!?!? O____o She's a Yandere, she wouldn't hurt YUKKI, she'd hurt anyone who gets close to him or tries to take him away from her. But drugging him and keeping him tied up is "A-ok" |
Mar 19, 2012 6:20 PM
#111
All I can really say is WOW. Like from episode 1 to now, I did NOT expect 3/4 of the shit that has happened. But in a good way. I mean at least, and hopefully, Yuki has realized that Yuno is a psycho. but she did persuade me to love her for a 5 episodes. . . . or more. But now I officially support Akise <33 He is probably the only one who would NEVER EVER betray Yuki, besides Yuki's other friends. But sadly. . . they were shot. God can't wait for the next episode!!! |
Mar 19, 2012 6:37 PM
#112
Yarodomo said: itsvero said: Yarodomo said: Well it looks to me that you're trying to shove your view down everyone's throat, take it easy bro. K, wtf. I need to intervene here because this comment has simply left me confounded. Urufuzu_rein is definitely not the one trying to "shove his view down everyone's throat." It's that Yavie guy who started it in the first place. And you say that Urufuzu-rein has an Akise complex? Well look at Yavie's wall of text trying to dissuade Akise fans while putting Yuno on a pedestal. In fact, Urufuzu_rein's comment was extremely rational, and he made an approximation of like, 4 lines. Stop trolling, please. The only thing that entertains me about the internet is when trolls call other people troll. Most of the time these are not trolls. Katsuri said: nathanr said: but here goes the question when Akise said that he loves Yukiteru And Deus dismissed it as something that is nor originally Aru's that means that Deus.... ohgodohmanohgodohman Dues X Yuki OTP. They need to make h-doujin of this! Perfect for them micro/macro fans! |
Mar 19, 2012 6:41 PM
#113
Shit is goin down. God i wanna know what's on the damn phone! At the same time, i wanna spoil it for myself and not spoil it at the same time. D: |
Mar 19, 2012 6:44 PM
#114
This episode was MIND-FUCK! I was slowly denying that Yuno has frikking lost her mind. I started slowly hating her in this episode and at the end I F***ing hate her. She is still my favorite character but I hate her in this damn episode. I flipped when I say Yukki and Akise kissing Dx! My reaction was like the "Scream" by Van Gogh. My brain needs to relax and watch some "My little pony" |
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Mar 19, 2012 6:44 PM
#115
Mar 19, 2012 6:54 PM
#116
Only Yuki could look like such a pussy while killing most of his friends. That aside this episode was lolwut, even remotely thinking about what could/should/will happen is going to send your brain in circles (unless you're one of those "I've read the manga!" people). Akise was the man, couldn't believe it when he kissed Yuki. So much crap in this show but it's still ridiculously fun to watch, can't wait for the next episode. |
Mar 19, 2012 6:55 PM
#117
Glub said: Yuki killing his friends.. It is weird. And I dislike Yaoi, But I enjoyed Akise's kiss. So do I! It really was romantic. |
Mar 19, 2012 7:09 PM
#118
I can't wait to see Yuno die. This was a brilliant episode definitely 5/5. I dislike Yaoi/Yuri characters but I can't get myself to hate Akise Aru because he is the best character in this show. |
Mar 19, 2012 7:16 PM
#119
GAY, seriously it got gay for a second. Plot moving closer to an explanation of yuno from the future. |
Mar 19, 2012 7:28 PM
#120
Yumekichi11 said: They never betrayed their friendship to him but what they did was an act of betrayal. Tricked by Akise they were putting him and his girlfriend in danger. The cheat diary Akise was using put Yuno in mortal danger, by protecting 8th Yukki's friends were helping another guy to kill their friends girlfriend? You don't think that is a form of betrayal?I think he should have though things better and explain things more. He got himself influenced like he was totally not himself and under paranoia effects of mass panic or as Mao said fear itself of the truth. My point is that they did not betray Yuki ever and that his reasoning totally betrayed his friends hence killing them in the end. Yumekichi11 said: He had every premise to support his claims that Yuno has killed him eventually in the past to achieve what she did in this world since she is not of it as Akise figures out. 1. Akise had NOT figured out that Yuno wasn't of this world, he only figured this out just before he died. He was going after her because he was jealous and WANTED her to be bad. 2. from ALL evidence so far he knew that Yuno had put herself in situation where she would/should have died in order to save Yukki. If she just wanted to keep Yukki alive so she could win then this wouldn't have been the case. So Akise was lying. 3. Akise really WAS wrong. Yumekichi11 said: I'd say that in Akise's case it is obsession since Deus made him "love Yukki" so that he would keep a close eye on his favorite. Damn rigged election crap.He would but I think it would be differently formulated as in being used most likely or at the very least it would come into mind to him that it was that kind of form. There is love and there is obsession. Yumekichi11 said: Something that was obviously false. Yuno was always superior to Akise. He was stronger than her, but she was always the smarter one, beating his cheap HAXX diary and then beating him a second time. So Akise just showed that he was a guy using his stronger body to force a girl down onto the ground.To me it gave him a sense of being better that Yuno who was giving out the clear superiority. Yumekichi11 said: Maybe, although if you call her a bitch for being happy that she beat a guy hat was trying to murder her -- then you could call Akise a bitch for trying to murder her using a HAXX diary. I don't think either of them were "bitches" though. Akise got killed because of karma in a way and because he was to sure of himself. Perhaps but Yuno at that moment was just being a plain BITCH cause she knew of her superiority and that smile proved like a big snort towards all this. Yuno later kills HERSELF to atone and because she loves Yukki. So she redeems herself gets enough karma points for a happy ending. Yumekichi11 said: No, that isn't true either. She never tricked Yukki into killing his friends. Yukki killed them because one way or another he HAD to kill 8th or they would all die anyway. The anime failed at this, but her original call was one that warned Yukki about Akise coming to kill Yukki. So she was really trying to make Yukki hurry up and kill 8th before Akise arrived. If you think this was the cause for the friends being killed, then again -- it was Akise that tricked Yukki's friends to protect 8th in the first place. If you hate on Yuno for this, please hate on Akise as well because he is more responsible for their demise.The hatred is for having just tricked Yuki into killing his friends. Yumekichi11 said: When was she being a smartass? Insane yes -- but a smartass? sorry but I must have missed that...It comes also as what they coin being a SMART-ASS and Yuno was exactly that. Yumekichi11 said: 8th deserved to die. She used her "children" as footsoldiers. It's very convenient for her to say she was only allowing them to make her a god but she could have just refused to let them have those diaries.Akise wanted to kill Yuno because he knows 8th does not deserve to die nor Yuki being tricked by her, who most likely already is just using Yuki as a shell. Again, Yuno tricking Yukki was all to help him... and Akise didn't have any real proof of ANY of his wild ideas. As for using Yukki as a shell? No, that is incorrect, she was always trying to make Yukki win the whole game. Yumekichi11 said: Dude, please post spoilers using in spoilers okay? anyway --> Because she knows and no she would be the new from the old Universe and this one she should be nothing but as a side. Sadly that is the Bitch part of it, clearly being superior to others while snorting them with that superiority as they are blind to the true force of that superiority. Umm sorry I don't really understand your English here but -- she is the Deus of the old universe because she won that game. She NEVER once cared about being one though so she was hardly seeing herself as it either. She didn't care about ANY of the other people. This isn't feeling superior, this is just a lack of empathy. And when the hell was she snorting? The only time she did was when she looked down on her classmates but that was concerning her love for Yukki and that was from a Yuno that was BEFORE the games had even started. I wouldn't call that having a superior complex though -- rather she was being proud of Yukki because she considered HIM superior. Yumekichi11 said: When was that? In the manga he just had a mistrust of Yukki and showed no leadership, in the anime he was just complaining. It was Akise and Yukki that took charge of the situation back then.in fact he redeemed himself when he took leadership in saving them from the dogs. Yumekichi11 said: But that's just it. She wasn't a bitch in the manga and she wasn't a bitch in the anime. The Anime is trying to make up BS that simply isn't true by changing around the order of some scenes. Yuno did NOT fake anything (except for Akise killing her).It could have been but I think the way they made was to show how much of a BITCH she really is. It totally showed her bitchy attitude in terms of deceiving Yuki and faking everything. Yumekichi11 said: She still had her knife when she came after him later so no he wasn't looking for a weapon.I don't think he would do it, maybe he though there was some weapon around? I doubt he would do it though. ROFL. Yumekichi11 said: He had asked them to come to his house where he would hand them 8th -- when they arrived he showed them his diary and told them it was a good setting for a final battle. You don't feel this sort of made him look like a final boss/villain? He was mocking them with his phone then continued grinning as he saw through Yuno's attacks. Yukki spots his friends running away with 8th and Yuno says she will hold back Akise for him, showing great bravery in the sight of this super HAXX diary. The whole scene was scene was setup that when we were shown her laugh it came more as a shock. It made many people actually doubt her and believe that Akise was right (which he wasn't). In the anime there was never any such emotional twist. From the getgo they are trying to forcefeed us with how cool/good Akise is.I got the feeling in the manga Akise was more mysterious yes but not threatening. Not at all in fact. I always had a feeling he was trying to help Yuki in a mysterious way. Yumekichi11 said: The colors yes, but look at Yuno's expressions, Akise's expressions, the angles as well as the flow of the animation. The manga was far better drawn as far as faces go and they chose angles that were far more epic/great. Like when Yuno went for Akise's head. In the manga you could see how desperate and distraught she was. She flew towards Akise and chopped his head off. In the anime she has a angry expression and she is animated seen from the side.You do know certain manga parts were totally advanced by the anime mainly due to the animation of certain of its parts that made those parts look better than the manga itself could pull out. Some decors are far better too with the colors in the anime. Yumekichi11 said: Making him less stoic wasn't the problem. I'm talking about how they changed around scenes, certain key dialogue as well as some of Yuno's more important expressions. There were no need to change these in order to make Akise more lively.. in fact Yuno stabbing him just like that really doesn't make any sense (unless she had already spotted 8th running away with Yukki's friends.) They could have just used 2-3 seconds of animation showing her spotting this before doing the whole attack. They didn't.I don't see as bad because of the different feel it gave out, Akise was much better and likable. In the manga he was a little stoic so to speak. In the anime he looked more lively TBH. Yumekichi11 said: Sure more Yukki but this wouldn't have made him ore likeable. In most BL or such manga/anime they always force the whole BL part by making the female characters suffer spotlight or make them less interesting. Akise's main problem was that he just like Yuno ONLY wanted to interact with Yukki. Since Yuno was/is such a big part of Yukki's life just ignoring her makes the guy come off as a huge jerk. Since both of them wante dthe same person than interaction between them is what many people actually wanted to see. And by interaction I mean having the two of them talk/be friends when Yukki wasn't there. The closest thing we have to this and one of the most memorable scenes was when Akise discussed a plan with Yuno.I think it would have been better if they did make more interactions of him with other characters but most of all with Yuki. BL? Yumekichi11 said: How do you know she changed? She looked very jealous to me ... well Yukki saved her from dying and forgave her. She had already decided to let him go before the dogs was going to kill them so her crush wouldn't exactly have diminished because of his actions right? Hmm yeah, I guess they did add some extra "funny scenes" with her in the anime. In the manga however, aside from the whole panty incident she was only really playing pointing out how stupid the joke character Kousaka was. In the anime though she was more the "butt" of the joke -- Mao was the "funny" one with her stalking lesbian yandere personality.Her character was funny too you know. Not just the body. She also had some form of courage. Hinata at first was like that with the crush but she changed later on. Yumekichi11 said: Maybe Yukki needed to feel he was the one protecting Yuno, maybe that would have been better... but she must have been pretty delusional if she believed she would have been better for Yukki with the game going on. Maybe in a normal world she would have been, but in a world where Yukki had to play in a death game the stress wasn't caused by Yuno but by the other players. Yukki even understood this himself when he realized he found Yuno's obsession with him to be cute.Of course she always thought she was better than Yuno. I for one agree cause she had a better personality and on top of that treated Yuki in a less stressful way for him. Yumekichi11 said: No I've seen her exact type of character in a lot of manga before. It is the type that don't really admit their jealous feelings of love even to themselves. They are the "Jesus type" that "enjoy" playing the whole self sacrificing heroine that will step aside and let the hero have the other girl -- all along "knowing" that she was the only one that could really understand him.I don't agree she wanted Yuki for herself. Yumekichi11 said: In regards toward Hiunata yes.... but her funny scenes were more of a funny/creepy kind. Yuno had some funny scenes as well -- so I'm still going with that Mao was a more stable version of Yuno.In regards towards Hinata, yes. Mao in general had a funny personality. Yumekichi11 said: Only Yukki didn't react AT ALL to this. Mao could have filled his role since she already demonstrated that she oddly enough was stronger than Yukki and Kousaka.NO! I think he really was the kick in the ass for Yuki. He bullied him before, he changed and in thee end he was more on Yuki's side and wanted to help him. He was going to not get in his way but that punch was really a wake up call! Yumekichi11 said: Ah but you never wrote that you "felt" that [insert opinion here] you just went ahead and called Yuno a bitch and Yukki... what did you call him again? well, whatever.NO! Because being honest never forces anything on anyone. I was just being true to how I felt in this episode and discussions having a honest feelings are sometimes so much better IMO. kelken said: Well I myself was always wondering why --> is a twin... at least I think that's the intention. When Akise found that umbiblical cord it didn't make sense to me but as soon as Yuno did the retinal scan to get to 11th it was pretty clear. However it took me a while to figure out b/c even twins do not share the same retinal pattern but I suppose both girls would be recognized users of the retinal scan thing anyway so it's fine they included the whole part about Yuno being adopted. Was that just a curve ball the manga-ka threw us to throw us off track? I mean the whole reveal would be the same even if those had been her biological parents. The umbilical cord could have been found some other way... hell it could have been some other DNA evidence. kelken said: Why shouldn't he be? He loves her and everything she has done have demonstrated that she loves him too. She was even willing to blow herself up in order to save him.Why is he so convinced that psycho yuno is telling the truth anyway? Urufuzu_rein said: No, Akise went after her even before that... sneaking around her house and "investigating". Yuno tried to protect Yukki by keeping him hidden at that hotel remember? Akise told Yukki that Yuno planned to let Yukki win and then kill him. But how could she have made Yukki win if she had stayed hidden away with him in the hotel? That is completely illogical. Akise is just fabricating one guess/lie after another to demonize Yuno. More proof that Akise lied to Yukki and was aware of this? We were shown Akise's thoughts in the manga after/during the kiss. Do you know WHY he kissed Yukki? He did it because he knew that Yuno loved Yukki and would become so angry that she would attack blindly.Maybe the fact that she tried to kidnap him, kill all his friends etc before may be part of his reasons to assume it. But if she really loved Yukki and became angry, then the whole idea about her planning to kill Yukki would not hold water. Urufuzu_rein said: Only read this if you have read the whole manga -->Yuno may prioritise Yukiteru's safety sometimes, but even that crumbled in the end and it always mostly came down to wanting to be with him. False. Her original plan was to make Yukki kill her. BECAUSE of Akise revealing to Yukki that he could not revive anyone, Yukki refused to kill Yuno and planned a suicide. Yuno should have just killed herself when she realized this but I guess she went a bit crazy and decided to "try again" instead. So her resolve never crumbled. She just didn't want Yukki to die "forever". Urufuzu_rein said: read this if you have read the whole manga -->She doesn't even consider his saying in the matter sometimes. You're trying too hard to make Yuno look like a saint and justify all of her choices and behaviour. Also, you're trying too hard in making Akise seems exactly like Yuno. She already played the game once so she already knew those people would try to kill Yukki. She went against his will to save him. Sure she SHOULD have considered what he wanted more, but by then she was already so crazy in love with him that she would rather chain him up to keep him safe than to have him be in danger. I'm not trying to make Yuno look more than a saint than she is. If you read the whole manga you would know this. Yuno did ALOT of bad things, but she did them all for Yukki. As for Akise? he was trying to murder Yuno and help 8th which WAS the opposite of what Yukki wanted. Maybe to help Yukki and maybe because Akise "loved" Yukki... but still -- that was exactly what Yuno did so yeah. Urufuzu_rein said: No, Akise was dying of bloodloss because his throat was cut! (in the manga he had also been stabbed in the heart) He was hardcore in that scene and showed that his obsession/love for Yukki was strong enough for him to try and give him the message even as he died... but he was NOT sacrificing himself since he would die anyway.They're not the same. Don't forget that Akise DID sacrifice himself in trying to make Yukiteru find out about Yuno. Yuno is willing to do it, but, for her, it always comes down to wanting to spend time with Yukiteru. Akise's jealousy (if it even was there, in considerable levels) didn't reach this peak you were talking about. Sure Yuno wanted to be with Yukki, but no, she was willing to die if it MEANT that Yukki lived. Unlike Akise (who's love was just an obsession created by Dues in order for him to help Yukki) Yuno's love/obsession was a very selfish one. I.E it was real. Real love (the in love kind) is ALWAYS selfish. Urufuzu_rein said: I agree that they both WANTED Yukki's safety, but Akise PUT Yukki in danger while Yuno did not. Akise tried to get Yukki away from Yuno and even almost got the two of them killed during their fight against 11th... his plan was to get Yukki away from Yuno at all costs. For safety? Again -- during the middle of a fight where Yuno has actually been there putting herself at risk to protect Yukki -- Akise shows up at the end of the fight and distracts them by saying that "The Yuno you know is a fake". Her being a fake could have any number of reasons NOT connected to the actual murder games. wtf?Akise may not be a saint, but he did just as better (if not, better) than Yuno in prioritising Yukiteru's safety, in the end. Yuno may be the better character, but, in regards to Yukiteru's safety, they're pretty much the same. Urufuzu_rein said: The post you are referring to was a reply to a post that was less balanced than the other ones I had replied to. I.E the response are tailored differently depending on who and what they address.Assuming you're not trying to annoy people (I'm saying this because your other posts seemed more balanced), Urufuzu_rein said: umm no. Yuno did not do all of these. Yuno did a lot of bad things but certainly not the ones I ascribed to Akise specifically. Or are you trying to tell me that Yuno was keeping 8th safe so that she could use a HAXX diary and try to kill Akise?Yuno did all of these and more. You shouldn't make distinctions. Urufuzu_rein said: Read only of you have read the whole end of the manga --> I'd say Yuno is clearly playing the role of the antagonist towards the end of the manga, since she opposes the protagonist. Only AFTER Yukki reveals that he wanted to do a double suicide. Her original plan was to let him win since she wanted him to live. She actually asked him why he had a problem with her killing him and restarting the game if he had planned on committing suicide anyway. Make no mistake, Yuno DID love Yukki for real and not just in the 2nd universe. At the end of the manga she actually believed that their love was "fake" and why wouldn't she seeing as how she was trying to kill him? Sure she wanted to be happy and she was selfish but -- I don't remember who in the manga said it, but somebody pointed out to Yuno that love isn't like that. It was pointed out that Yuno was making it more complex than it was. Maybe she could have fallen in love with anyone and maybe the cause for this was because she was in need of being needed... but NON of this changed the fact that she DID fall in love with him. It wasn't fake love... she just acted selfishly (as did Yukki) The talk they had with the 7th should have clued them in on this but I feel that this probably had the opposite effect on Yuno and actually made her believe that their love wasn't real. But 7th told the other 7th (Aki) that the reason why he hadn't just destroyed the phone was because he wanted to teach Yukki how love was supposed to be. If Yukki hadn't really been in love with Yuno then 7th wouldn't have cared and would just have destroyed the diaries. But he saw that Yuno and Yukki were hurting each other despite being ion love. A generally good guy like him could never accept such a thing. So when he "scolded them" he did so not because he was telling them that their love was fake, but because he wanted their relationship to grow and blossom even more. Now as for villainy, yes Yuno did remark on how she almost seemed to be a villain but this was only on the surface. some key moments: 1. Murmur was the one egging her on. Murmur was basically her desire to be with Yukki again. A small extension of only one aspect of her desire. Murmur was the villain. 2. Yuno realized that her father had just been weak and apparently had been against the punishment games her mother conducted against her. Likely the cage had been either kept in a locked room or it was something her mother had just gotten. Because of this Yuno forced her father into one of those reality bubbles, then apparently rewrote her own memory into thinking she had killed her own father. 3. Yuno threaten Yukki's parents but never planed to carry out the threat since that would make the other Yukki suffer. Later she pretends to kill them but this is because she can't bear with Yukki loving her. 4. Finally she sticks him in a bubble reality where she plans to keep him forever. Thing is, this seems to suggest that there was no need for her to kill Yukki at all. It seems she just assumed she had to. She could have just let the 2nd universe die --. sopped the game from happening in the 3rd universe and become the new Deus there without the need for a fight. After this she could have just released the 2nd universe Yukki and lived with him granting him eternal life with her powers or something. 5. Yuno planned to get shot and killed by Kurusu. If you look closely at the scene you will notice that she raised her knife very visibly after having been told to put it down. She made sure of taking her time to tell her 3rd universe self+ parents that she would kill them. If she had wanted to kill them she would have killed Kurusu first and/or just killed them all with one of her bubbles. If the 2nd world Murmur hadn't blocked that bullet she WOULD have been killed. About that... why DID the 2nd world Murmur block the bullet? was it because she felt only 2nd world people should be allowed to kill each other to win the game? Odd... 6. Finally she stabs herself to death to save Yukki. So while she WAS the final boss, I wouldn't call her a villain. Rather she was more of a final boss trying to play the villain in order to cope with being the final boss. I.E a final boss that plays a villain for the sake of the heroes. (there are actually games like this out there) hmmmm seeing how the anime changed things around to make Akise seem more sympathetic I REALLY hope they wont add anything extra or remove some of these CRUCIAL moments we were shown in the manga that proved that Yuno really wasn't a villain. Urufuzu_rein said: Balance? The op her/himself was bashing Yuno and praising Akise. The few other people in this thread that said anything bad about Akise came off as "not really serious" or as yaoi haters. My reply was long because I replied to MANY MANY Akise lovers.I'm just trying to bring another view to the table, since I feel that his wasn't that balanced. itsvero said: I didn't start this thread and it wasn't me that started bashing Yuno and praising Akise. My posts were a direct response to people's fanboyism and Yuno bashing. Nothing I've said about Yuno or Akise has been untrue.I need to intervene here because this comment has simply left me confounded. Urufuzu_rein is definitely not the one trying to "shove his view down everyone's throat." It's that Yavie guy who started it in the first place. Also Urufu was polite, you however are not. itsvero said: If you have read the whole manga then I will listen to your opinion but if not then you really don't know what you are talking about. As for Akise even people that haven't read the whole manga can see that everything I said is the truth. Pedestal? When did I ever do this? I only pointed out that Akise was lying about Yuno. I never said that Yuno wasn't crazy or that she cared about anyone but Yukki. She had brought tools along in case she had to convince his mother after all damnit! I'm not saying anything about Yuno that isn't true!Look at Yavie's wall of text trying to dissuade Akise fans while putting Yuno on a pedestal. As for wall of text, that is because I responded to many MANY fanboys of Akise that were BASHING Yuno. itsvero said: No, he was wrong as I've pointed out in my reply to him.In fact, Urufuzu_rein's comment was extremely rational, and he made an approximation of like, 4 lines. Stop trolling, please. Urufuzu_rein said: She smarter than Akise but he is stronger. He seems to posses some serious skill at Judo and probably have trained since he was really young while Yuno just has really good reflexes, is fast and is naturally good at murdering. They are both good at different things. Where did I overplay her qualities?I agree that she's overplaying Yuno's affection and qualities though. As for her affection? No, that part I did not overplay at all. I responded more thoroughly about this in my other reply to you. rodac said: Akise's feelings for Yukki were fake. They were instilled into him because Deus himself was interested in Yukki and wanted him to win. Akise was returned to the world because he proved to Deus that he had done something (created his own diary) that was not a part of Deus plan.Akise is just a construct built by Deus, and returned to the gameboard because he actually developed feelings towards Yuki while he was observing him. MariKatzuki said: He realized this in episode 1. In the episode with the wedding rehearsal he realized he loved her BECAUSE she is insane.Hopefully, Yuki has realized that Yuno is a psycho. MariKatzuki said: Akise love really is fake. His love is really only Deus own desire for Yukki to win.But now I officially support Akise MariKatzuki said: That is arguable. It can be said he betrayed Yukki when he was attempting to murder a girl he knows Yukki loves. If this is the criteria for betrayal then Yuno betrayed Yukki when she chained him up in order to protect him. If not, then she would never betray him either. Yuno would die for Yukki.He is probably the only one who would NEVER EVER betray Yuki nathanr said: Oh you troll you.Glub said: I enjoyed Akise's kiss. So do I! It really was romantic. |
YavieMar 19, 2012 7:39 PM
Mar 19, 2012 7:34 PM
#121
Fan girls dont freak out! lol I was shocked when he kissed Yuki I swear my eyes got as wide as Yuno's! X'D so sexy but weird but lovely and... okay so anyway... I cant believe freakin Yuno has been deciving him the whole time! and that phone call was horrible! He killed all his friends D'X I hate it how everyone like died and im pretty sure Aksie is going to die soon too but i really liked him XP im really sad now! Eh i can't wait for the next episode! Imma have to learn Japanese just so i can watch it a bit earlier haha well anyway i thought it was an awesome episode that also made me mad... the kiss though... mmn so weird and confusing... ah anyway all in all great episode! hehe ^^' |
Mar 19, 2012 7:43 PM
#123
so far the only people that really like like yuki is a crazy bitch and a gay guy haha 4 more episodes fuck yes |
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Mar 19, 2012 7:50 PM
#124
Yavie said: Oh you troll you. No! I am serious! That kiss was romantic! also, nice post |
Mar 19, 2012 7:53 PM
#125
been watching quite a few "everybody must die" animes: fate/zero, Another, and this first off, Yuno is crazy. i love characters that i can't grasp, and she's amusing every single time. i personally don't have a preference on who becomes god and all that, but here a few thing i'd like to dabble one 1. amano yuki becoming god. from what we know, if Deus wasn't lying, "yukii" as Yuno would call him won't be able to bring anyone back to life. i personally hates his guts, but personal feelings aside, if he does become god, and attempt to bring everyone back, and fails, he'll most likely go into a tantrum and destroy the time continuum as no one he knows/cares about is alive anymore. personal view on yukiteru I HATE HIM.TO ME HE'S JUST WHINY LITTLE BRAT, that let yuno do everything for him. he's useless, delusional, and honestly really annoying. however, i don't blame him. for one he's a loner, without much experience with other people (first friend being a psycho killer) and being forced into a battle royale. then he is traumatized my a terrorist bomber who kills his class (deadman wonderland anyone?). then a SHIT TON of betrayal; no kid can take that. thus he crumbled and hope becoming god will do somthing about it. 2.Yuno's "love" for yuikii since i started watching this series i always wondered if yuno actually does love yuki, and it seems the writer has as well(as in presentation). since her character is hard to grasp ( which is one ofr my strong suites), it is hard to tell. i honestly believe that she DOES luv yukiteru, but has a hard time (not sure if right way to say it) expressing her love( normally at least). We can see, and have seen her jealous several times, which all seem to be genuine, but then again she is crazy. she seems to care for yukiteru, but i'm not sure if that is out of affection or the fact that he's her pawn. this also brings up the issue of her "lover's diary" because in one scene we see akise's flashback of yuno's diary, and amano yuki is referred differently on the two phones, one saying amano, and the other yukii(which we are use to seeing) opinions? 3. Yuno having more then 1 phone to our understanding, yuno's diary is the "lovers diary" however, it has been hinted otherwise. for one, there was a scene where she holds onto her cellphone case/bag and we see i believe 3 or 4 more hones in there. what does this mean i have no idea, but from our knowledge, the diary's are simply normal diaries but written later in time; with exceptions like "the watcher" and the server diary.it is possible that yuno's diary is also an exception. 4. Two yunos we found out a few episodes back that apparently the "real" gasai yuno is dead(skeleton) but in another episode, we then find out that she is the real gasai yuno(the safe). my first response was like akise, she killed the original and replaced her, then twins. however, we are shown yuno's memories of killing her parents (assuming she wasn't lying, delusional, or had false memories). which doesn't confirm anything = = sadly cause of the previous bracket. if we assume, however, that she was telling the truth then we can infer that she was in fact the original gasai yuno. in the episode where she opened the safe, the mayor stated that only the three members of the gasai family and him could pass the retina scan. he does no mention a twin.thus we can conclude from that two possible reasons. one, there is only on gasai yuno, or two, the yuno that we know was hidden from public knowledge. a)one yuno theory it is possible that there was only one gasai yuno. then the question comes: who's that psycho? well, remaining to our assumption that yuno told the truth about killing her parents, i believe it could be mur-mur. mur-mur may have "created" another yuno, of be yuno herself. we have seen that mur-mur has favored yuno when she and Deus gambled on who'd become the next god. if has also been hinted that she has been doing things behind Deus' back. it could be fairly possible that she wants to become god herself. b) twin yuno theory i believe this to make more sense, but then again we have gods flying about so most likely will be wrong. also, it doesn't explain mur-mur's odd behaviour like theory a. it is possible yuno was born with a twin. akise, new the end of this episode had a eureka moment as he said,"two people".taking from that this theory seems more possible. we were shown yuno being locked in a cage, and we assumed she was in their as punishment, but it could be possible that she is in their to hide her existence, why i don't know. we later see that yuno locks her parents up and eventually kills them. lets assume the "real" yuno find out that "our" yuno killed her parents, she attempt to notify authorities and is "stopped" by "our" yuno. but now i think about it after typing all that, then it would be the "real" yuno's retina scan and not hers....so scrap that but i'm gonna leave it up anyway. chances are both are wrong woop and they are. read a few spoilers on the first post of this thread c) paralleled universe apparently the anime missed out on a very important panel (imo) from the manga (which i haven't read). pulling everything together, there is only one gasai yuno. yet there is two. basically what i believe happened was that mur-mur pulled yuno from another time line in order to help our yuno . i have no idea why mur-mur favors yuno. i also don't understand why yuno decided to kill yuno(competition maybe?). i'm gonna leave my questions for later. 5. how much i like yuno and will be flamed for: i really like her character, and chances are if i actually knew someone like that i'd love her. i'm twisted in one to many ways. one including i like bloody murderous ladies. her potential as a stalker kind of scares me though. aside from that her skills to wield any weapon is extraordinary. she sees through conspiract like glass and is incredibly intelligent. oh and she's pervy. sadly she would most likely kill me :( people should hate less....she's crazy 6. paralleled universe from Yumekichi11's spoiler from the manga, everything is pretty clear,other than motives i suppose an other things listed below. however, according to the actually paralleled universe theory, their would be several Dueses as well.or just one. assuming that he is outside the laws of time and space. then he would be overseeing infinite number of this battle. but from what we know, he's oblivious to the fact that yuno was brought from another timeline. also, if he did overlook infinite many of these survival games, then wouldn't the winner also differ from timeline to timeline?unless Dues has less power than we thought. 7. i don't hate i have no idea why so many people are raging. some people now hate yuno, and others hate yuki. i personally don't hate on either or their actions,previously listed why.if i were to hate anyone it would be mur-mur. she's just plain annoying and i hate annoying characters in general. i have nothing against senseless murders (like previously state, i'm twisted and morbid), thus i'm not raging at yukii or yuno. it's not that i don't rage, i do. usually the only thing that can get me raging is discrimination of woman as sex objects (rape, mind-breaking, sexual exploitation, netorare, etc) and that usually get me raging VERY badly so i can see where you guys are coming from. [and occasionally betrayal ticks me off too] few points for anyone who bothered to read all that to dabble on: 1.why did yuno kill yuno 2. which yuno is our yuno 3. is yuno really in love with amano 4. what mur-mur's motive in bringing another yuno 5. is i true that you can't return everything back to normal |
Hide behind the mighty wall of internet, i shall |
Mar 19, 2012 8:05 PM
#126
What the hell... this ep was so amazing and now Yukki knows the secret of Yuno. D; |
Mar 19, 2012 8:45 PM
#127
Damn now I really want to see what happens next, and now Yuno looks like such a conniving bitch. Yandere wouldn't even be a appropriate title for her now if she was really just using Yuki the whole time. ALL LIES! Also I'm not even into yaoi at all, but that kiss was freaking hot. I'm still left wondering how exactly this will end because apparently the manga received a very disappointing ending and the anime seems to be following it faithfully. |
Mar 19, 2012 9:15 PM
#128
Mar 19, 2012 9:28 PM
#129
Wowwww this is getting fucking intense. Holy shit so thats what Akise was, and nicee he even bested Deus. Wow his determination was amazing, even survived that last slash to show Yukki what he discovered / predicted. Ughh damn it just what did he write to Yukki, what there's more than one Yuno? Respect to him, I see why alotta ppl like this guy. And DAT kiss. Yuno's mystery just keeps growing larger and larger. Hmm so tempted to spoil myself but gahh gotta resist it, gunna be so much better waiting and getting surprised every week. Whatever Yuno's true secret is, I am on her side all the way. And just what is Murmur planning? Seems to me like she's working with Yuno or something of the sort. So muchhh questions! |
Mar 19, 2012 9:36 PM
#130
Fantastic episode as usual, more so this time. So much happened, thrill ride all the way. 6/5 =) |
Mar 19, 2012 9:47 PM
#131
THIS ANIME IS A MASTERPIECE. 1/5 |
Mar 19, 2012 9:56 PM
#132
hellsascendant said: I just have one piece of puzzle to add to your part. The Minene/Deus incident in like where he implanted her with something. I wonder if Deus made 2 cores of himself and one is fake while the other one Minene had. Something is for sure up with Minene and that Deus part why else would he choose her for something in that episode where he pierced her.6. paralleled universe from Yumekichi11's spoiler from the manga, everything is pretty clear,other than motives i suppose an other things listed below. however, according to the actually paralleled universe theory, their would be several Dueses as well.or just one. assuming that he is outside the laws of time and space. then he would be overseeing infinite number of this battle. but from what we know, he's oblivious to the fact that yuno was brought from another timeline. also, if he did overlook infinite many of these survival games, then wouldn't the winner also differ from timeline to timeline?unless Dues has less power than we thought. |
Mar 19, 2012 10:25 PM
#133
hellsascendant said: In one of the earlier episodes we were told that Murmur is an extension of god itself. Murmur is in other words Gods will. Not all of gods will mind you but part of it. As such Murmur is unable to act against her gods will. Deus favors Yukki and wants Yukki to win the whole battle royal.It has been hinted that Murmur has been doing things behind Deus' back. Now sing along song everyone? Falads said: Why does everyone believe what Akise was telling Yukki? He has time upon time been proven wrong concerning Yuno. You guys need to start doubting him.Damn now I really want to see what happens next, and now Yuno looks like such a conniving bitch. Yandere wouldn't even be a appropriate title for her now if she was really just using Yuki the whole time. |
YavieMar 19, 2012 10:29 PM
Mar 19, 2012 10:46 PM
#134
MINDFUCK!!! Am. Trying. Not. To. Go. After. The. Manga. 10/10 |
Mar 19, 2012 10:50 PM
#135
well what did you expect that everyone going crazy, shock, looney, shion’s laughing crazy, etc yep or even yet cabin fever from Muppet Treasure Island http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNJPsCDSqo due it’s now mirai nikki armageddon with the end is near!!! yea yuno pulling that Wounded Gazelle Gambit http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/picture17/12ece67b.jpg OH he!! no yea cabin fever has risen. with 4eps yea got get it all wrap up? |
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Mar 19, 2012 11:37 PM
#136
Epic episode, though I wonder what his motives for becoming a god are going to be now that he found out he can't bring anyone back to life(unless he's still blindly thinks he was lied to). And... wow. I'm not a yaoi fangirl or anything, but that kiss was strangely... enticing... way better than Yukkii x Yuno... This anime continues to remain one of my faves this season. Simply amazing. |
Mar 20, 2012 2:06 AM
#137
Mindfucking episode indeed. I am curious whether Akise's feelings for Yuki is real or just to make Yuno jealous |
Mar 20, 2012 3:33 AM
#138
Fucking loved this episode, awesome mindfuckery pretty much. xD This was my favourite part in the manga so seeing this animated was such a treat. Shame they removed a few bits though. Akise Aru was a fucking boss in this episode but his death was pretty gruesome, shame they censored him without his head. Yuno is one manipulative bitch, so fucking scary. Poor Yukiteru, he has to put up with her loving him. :P Although I'm not gay, that kiss with Akise and Yuki was done really well and seeing Yuno go ballistic was so hilarious. Lmao :D Definitely giving this episode a 5/5. Best episode of the series! (so far? :P) |
Mar 20, 2012 3:53 AM
#139
all i can say is, "what the f@#k!!!" truly one of the most mind-bending episodes of a mind-bending anime - and the kiss!!! not usually a fan of the whole boy's love thing (being a straight male), but that was one romantic, tragic, and unexpected lip-lock!!! what i can't figure out is how they can stretch this into four more episodes, as it seems 99% of the loose ends just got tied up....and lastly, i still miss the hell out of minene!!!! |
Mar 20, 2012 4:20 AM
#140
It was better than I expected. |
Mar 20, 2012 4:57 AM
#141
Spoiler for: Yavie said: Only read this if you have read the whole manga --> False. Her original plan was to make Yukki kill her. BECAUSE of Akise revealing to Yukki that he could not revive anyone, Yukki refused to kill Yuno and planned a suicide. Yuno should have just killed herself when she realized this but I guess she went a bit crazy and decided to "try again" instead. So her resolve never crumbled. She just didn't want Yukki to die "forever". Exactly, Yuno could have killed herself if she favored Yuki's safety as opposed to being with him. Because of the nature of her love for Yukiteru, Yuno couldn't do it. It's not just love. It's more about need and possesion. Yes, she was rational on wanting to repeat things over again. But she made a point on how she wants to spend time with Yukiteru all over again. read this if you have read the whole manga --> She already played the game once so she already knew those people would try to kill Yukki. She went against his will to save him. Sure she SHOULD have considered what he wanted more, but by then she was already so crazy in love with him that she would rather chain him up to keep him safe than to have him be in danger. I'm not trying to make Yuno look more than a saint than she is. If you read the whole manga you would know this. Yuno did ALOT of bad things, but she did them all for Yukki. As for Akise? he was trying to murder Yuno and help 8th which WAS the opposite of what Yukki wanted. Maybe to help Yukki and maybe because Akise "loved" Yukki... but still -- that was exactly what Yuno did so yeah. I agree. Yukiteru's position is just like Shinji's one in Evangelion. Both Kaworu and Rei (Yui) try to push a 'End of the word' scenario on him. The comparaison is also fitting because, just like Akise, Kaworu's character is programmed. It's in his nature to do those things. In the end, they both ignored their nature. (Kaworu probably did it through his title of 'Angel of the free will'). Anyway, Yukiteru let's other people make decision for him. No, Akise was dying of bloodloss because his throat was cut! (in the manga he had also been stabbed in the heart) He was hardcore in that scene and showed that his obsession/love for Yukki was strong enough for him to try and give him the message even as he died... but he was NOT sacrificing himself since he would die anyway. Sure Yuno wanted to be with Yukki, but no, she was willing to die if it MEANT that Yukki lived. Unlike Akise (who's love was just an obsession created by Dues in order for him to help Yukki) Yuno's love/obsession was a very selfish one. I.E it was real. Real love (the in love kind) is ALWAYS selfish. Yuno's love is by definition selfish. I'm not saying she doesn't love Yukiteru, but she puts spending time with him and 'possessing' him above his safety and wish. It's because of his promise and the way he saved her from demise. Akise's love is more selfless specifically because of his nature (That doesn't mean he's respecting Yukiteru's wishes). I'm not arguing which is the better form. Both Yuno and him try to decide things for Yukiteru. I'm saying Akise's love didn't wasn't really related to wanting to spend time with Yukiteru. It was related to wanting to make him win. Or are you trying to tell me that Yuno was keeping 8th safe so that she could use a HAXX diary and try to kill Akise? I'm saying Yuno did a lot of things because of her obsession, some of them putting Yukiteru in danger and not respecting his actual wishes. Also, about the cheatcode. Yuno was far from being fair in the fight with Akise too. Read only of you have read the whole end of the manga --> Only AFTER Yukki reveals that he wanted to do a double suicide. Her original plan was to let him win since she wanted him to live. She actually asked him why he had a problem with her killing him and restarting the game if he had planned on committing suicide anyway. Only after that, and some other moments during the manga when she opposed the protagonist. They weren't few. I'm arguing she's an antagonist, not necessarily a villain She had brought tools along in case she had to convince his mother after all damnit! I'm not saying anything about Yuno that isn't true! That was a funny moment. I actually think the manga would have benefited from making things seem less serious, especially since the author is trying too hard to play some fairly ridiculous elements straight. As for her affection? No, that part I did not overplay at all. I responded more thoroughly about this in my other reply to you. I only said Yuno has a different type of affection, a more selfish one. I was under the assumption that you tried to make it seem selfless. Akise's feelings for Yukki were fake. They were instilled into him because Deus himself was interested in Yukki and wanted him to win. Akise was returned to the world because he proved to Deus that he had done something (created his own diary) that was not a part of Deus plan. It seemed to me that the author specifically made a point on how his love is real. (or he thinks it is) He realized this in episode 1. In the episode with the wedding rehearsal he realized he loved her BECAUSE she is insane. I remember a panel from the final chapters where Yuki says ''You're crazy, Yuno''. I had some good laughs over that one. |
Urufuzu_reinMar 20, 2012 5:09 AM
"This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
Mar 20, 2012 6:02 AM
#143
WOW Awesome episode...the only thing i dont like is that akise is gay -__- |
Mar 20, 2012 6:18 AM
#144
I'm sort of guessing what Akise wrote (or if he didn't, what he tried to write), but I do wonder how will they stretch it into four more episodes. Resisting reading the manga is zooo haaad. |
Mar 20, 2012 6:43 AM
#145
Mar 20, 2012 7:27 AM
#146
Ok For those people who are worried about the ending of this anime, hmm...what should i say about this without spoiling anything? i must say they all live happily ever after.....for those slow minded people it means the anime ends in a nice and beautful way that u want second season for this anime...too bad cuz the way it ends has no chance to have second season :P for the ending my score is 1000/10 |
ynaoeMar 20, 2012 7:46 AM
Mar 20, 2012 8:44 AM
#147
Raaaah I liked the episode but really Yukiteru is such a big loser and wimp... Never liked him... Still as annoying as ever imo |
Mar 20, 2012 9:01 AM
#148
Damn ep.. so good.. even a smart guy like akise with his "cheating" diary can't stop Yuno... the power of mad love!!!! *grins* i wonder why people still watch this anime if they hate "Yuno Gasai"... im sure mirai nikki will not be this good if there is no Yuno... |
Mar 20, 2012 9:45 AM
#149
nathanr said: I was cheering up for Yuki instead of Yuno for the first time in Mirai Nikki feels good man lol 4 more episodes lol how I want that also, sucks to see Mao die, she was the hottest :( also, my suspicions that something is wrong with Akise turned out sorta right... but here goes the question when Akise said that he loves Yukiteru And Deus dismissed it as something that is nor originally Aru's that means that Deus.... ohgodohmanohgodohman He made akise interested in yukki so he keep investigating him. and holy shit people, use spoilers! |
Mar 20, 2012 10:47 AM
#150
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