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Mar 27, 2011 8:52 AM
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Monad said:
From the words of that creepy bastard and how she was talking it seems like he was raping her all the time she was there. Creepy rapist priest.
Can wait for his glorius death in the next episode.

That priestess basically wants Fractale to keep operating because she likes the idea of people being imprison by it as a revenge by her to the world that was unfair to her? That's what i got from her at least.


The way I understand it, Phyrne has not been raped at all, nor has she had sex. We know this because the Priest was going to have Phryne checked to see if she was still a virgin, which would kind of be pointless if he knew she wasn't because he had raped her.

That is how I viewed that scene anyway. It could be that she is already pregnant, and he wanted them to check if the baby was still healthy or something, but I'd think Fractale could check that without the need for a scan of any kind. Her sister (the priestess) not mentioning anything about a pregnancy also makes me think that she is likely still a virgin, and that he was checking for proof of that. Not to mention that enough time has likely passed that she'd be visibly pregnant at this point if that were the case.

I think having her "father" be a creep was a pretty cheap way of trying to get the viewer to hate him. I know they only had 11 episodes to develop characters, but I'm sure they could have found some reason other for the viewer to be on Phyrne's side. Her plight also doesn't do a whole lot to make Fractale seem evil, because her "father" isn't really a part of Fractale at all. He's one creep, in a job that hundreds of people have likely held over the many years Fractale has been operational. If her father was a great person, would Phyrne's life have been as awful as it was?

I hope they pull something original out of the hat for the final episode. Something between the ending where Phyrne gets raped and Fractale reboots, and the one where Lost Millennium completely destroys the temple with Phyrne, Clain, Sunda, and everyone else inside. Maybe Clain could help create the key with Phyrne, in exchange for Lost Millennium having more freedom? I don't see a reason why the priest absolutely has to be the one to have sex with Phryne (or why they have to have sex at all...is Fractale a pervert?).

We'll find out next week. With the ratings for this seasons two noitaminA shows (Fractale and Wondering Son) in the toilet, I don't expect there to be a season two.

@twonline - Yes. The High Priestess is an older version of Phyrne and "Nessa" (who is a younger version of Phyrne). Some of the temple priestesses may be even older versions of Phryne, but we don't know that right now. Actually, rewatching episode 10, we can see that the super old temple priestesses have grey hair, while the slightly younger ones have the same purple hair as the high priestess. This makes me think that literally every female in the temple is Phryne. What makes Clain's Phryne special (and able to create the key) is anyones guess.

Now that I think about it, add "they changed the High Priestess, Nessa, and Phyrne's hair color for no other reason than to throw the viewer off" to the list of inconsistencies with Fractale. In the promo material, they all had purple hair. I guess the plot twist would have been too obvious if they left it as is, but there is no explanation for why their hair color differs.
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Monad said:
From the words of that creepy bastard and how she was talking it seems like he was raping her all the time she was there. Creepy rapist priest.
Can wait for his glorius death in the next episode.

That priestess basically wants Fractale to keep operating because she likes the idea of people being imprison by it as a revenge by her to the world that was unfair to her? That's what i got from her at least.


The way I understand it, Phyrne has not been raped at all, nor has she had sex. We know this because the Priest was going to have Phryne checked to see if she was still a virgin, which would kind of be pointless if he knew she wasn't because he had raped her.

That is how I viewed that scene anyway. It could be that she is already pregnant, and he wanted them to check if the baby was still healthy or something, but I'd think Fractale could check that without the need for a scan of any kind. Her sister (the priestess) not mentioning anything about a pregnancy also makes me think that she is likely still a virgin, and that he was checking for proof of that. Not to mention that enough time has likely passed that she'd be visibly pregnant at this point if that were the case.

I think having her "father" be a creep was a pretty cheap way of trying to get the viewer to hate him. I know they only had 11 episodes to develop characters, but I'm sure they could have found some reason other for the viewer to be on Phyrne's side. Her plight also doesn't do a whole lot to make Fractale seem evil, because her "father" isn't really a part of Fractale at all. He's one creep, in a job that hundreds of people have likely held over the many years Fractale has been operational. If her father was a great person, would Phyrne's life have been as awful as it was?

I hope they pull something original out of the hat for the final episode. Something between the ending where Phyrne gets raped and Fractale reboots, and the one where Lost Millennium completely destroys the temple with Phyrne, Clain, Sunda, and everyone else inside. Maybe Clain could help create the key with Phyrne, in exchange for Lost Millennium having more freedom? I don't see a reason why the priest absolutely has to be the one to have sex with Phryne (or why they have to have sex at all...is Fractale a pervert?)


I think that he may not have raped her either. but hes in a position where he has a girl (maybe others too, in the past maybe?) pretty much sprawled out in front of him, and his job is to check her to see if shes still a virgin. I would bet that hes probably fondled her more than once. Phrynes probably seen numerous accounts of sexual assault at LEAST. If he treats her like he did at the end of the episode out in the open i shudder to think what he does to her in private. Shes probably a borderline sex slave. maybe.
Mar 27, 2011 10:29 AM
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It seems like his only function for Fractale is taking part in the key ceremony (which involves him having sex with Phyrne, or so we can assume from his words). It could be that Phyrne fled the temple because she reached an age where she became desirable to the Priest, and wanted to avoid any further abuse, or it could be that she's been abused (albeit not through actual sex) for years. We really have no way of knowing, although she didn't seem to be too afraid of her "father" which makes me think that the abuse has probably only just started.

It seems like the other priestesses in the temple are protective of Phyrne, which makes me think that they've probably been guarding her from her "father" as best they can. With that in mind, he may not have had an opportunity to abuse her (he says something along the lines of "now that we're finally alone" to Phryne, and seems to not have free range at the temple).

Someone mentioned it before, but it definitely has a netorare vibe to it. It doesn't really fit the atmosphere of the show, and I think the show would have been better for it if that entire plot point had been left out. Obviously the netorare fans would disagree though.
Mar 27, 2011 10:39 AM
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Did the show ever say that he was supposed to have sex with her or anything like that? I never heard it said or implied. I think hes probably just the guy that checks her and maybe co-oversees the ceremony. but then why is everyone so concerned about her virginity? maybe theres an entirely different reason for that? idk.

I just hope that the show doesnt kill phryne or clain. nessas already fading out which is what i expected. there will probably be a sad ending. or a bittersweet one at best. just watching the ending song i know itll be sad. think about why they chose that song. i wouldnt call using an irish poem from the 1800s random. listen to the Orla Fallon version on youtube and think about what the song is talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_VtaD9Wchk

and yeah the temple people are all protective of Phryne. but the people of the inner circle arent so much. shes definitely important, but then thats not a really difficult conclusion to come to.

either way, the last episode should be a massive exposition fest. a couple episodes late if you ask me. i may consult the manga in the future. hopefully everything is better explained there..
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It didn't say that he was supposed to have sex with her in so many words, but he does say that they have a "special relationship", and I got the feeling that the "special" relationship was supposed to be consummated in the ceremony that is mentioned in episode 10.

I could be completely wrong, but he does seem to think that he is going to get to have sex with her at some point. Maybe the "key" is supposed to become his wife or something?

I think the best bet for clarification is in the lite novels based on Fractale that will be coming out. Depending on how the last episode goes, I'm not sure if I'm that interested in reading them though.

I'm hoping for a good ending, but I'm expecting a bittersweet one. They allude to Nessa disappearing, and I'd imagine that they'll go through with that in episode 11. Whether or not Clain and Phryne live is my question at this point. Honestly my only real hope for episode 11 is that the creator doesn't actually let Phryne get raped ><

(I've just realized that I have no idea how to spell Phyrne. I googled, and there is a Wikipedia article for "Phryne" who was a famous Ancient Greek courtesan. Interestingly enough, she was famous for her beauty, as well as for stripping naked in front of a crowd and going into the sea (just like in Fractale). Her name, Phyrne, was also a pseudonym given to many courtesans of the day, just like how in the anime there are many Phyrne's. I guess we know which Wikipedia page the creator was reading when he came up with Fractale's plot)
Mar 27, 2011 11:23 AM
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This how has gone from a 9 to a 6 for me
Mar 27, 2011 11:46 AM

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Char0079 said:
We really have no way of knowing, although she didn't seem to be too afraid of her "father" which makes me think that the abuse has probably only just started.

Actually, you're wrong. It very obvious that she has been abused many many times before. When that artist nomad attacked her, she saw a shadowed figure on top of her, and froze. That's classic abuse reaction. We just didn't know who that was before. That would also explain her not being ashamed of taking her clothes off... which makes a few earlier cute and funny scene seem not so cute and funny anymore....
Mar 27, 2011 12:22 PM
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Char0079 said:
We really have no way of knowing, although she didn't seem to be too afraid of her "father" which makes me think that the abuse has probably only just started.

Actually, you're wrong. It very obvious that she has been abused many many times before. When that artist nomad attacked her, she saw a shadowed figure on top of her, and froze. That's classic abuse reaction. We just didn't know who that was before. That would also explain her not being ashamed of taking her clothes off... which makes a few earlier cute and funny scene seem not so cute and funny anymore....


I don't know anything about classic reactions to abuse, but I didn't really get the feeling that she was afraid of him when they actually interacted. She seemed more angry than anything when they were first alone together. Then again, if a demonic image appearing over someone is a classic sign, and I just don't know about it, I digress. I guess the whole "Nessa is me back when I was beautiful" thing could be interpreted in that way as well.

If this were a multi-season epic, and I was a lot more invested, I'd be more angry at the actual character in the anime. Since the anime is so short though, I'm more just annoyed at the creator for making that a plot point. It does change the way previous things are viewed a bit , but without that ever being addressed, it's just one more footnote on an anime that is kind of riddled with vague plotlines and character motives. Her being an abuse victim makes me dislike one guy, when I really needed to dislike the Fractale system as a whole (for it to really have meaning for the overall plot).

I'm still hung up over Phryne going back to the temple. That type of thing is the worst plot device, IMO. "The temple is where my abusive "father" lives, and where I'm needed to reboot the Fractale system. What can I do to be helpful...oh I know! I can go back to the temple, risking everyones lives in the process, and potentially get raped. Surely if I just talk to my sister, she'll fix everything!". Just a brilliant plan overall (not that leaving THE KEY TO THE WORLD with CLAIN unprotected, was a genius idea either). One could easily make the argument that letting Phryne live is idiotic (from Lost Millennium's point of view) when shes the only person capable of keeping Fractale going, but then again, Dias already basically did that in episode 10. Even if you didn't get rid of her, surely you'd guard her well, or hide her somewhere far away at the very least.

I'm almost with Captain-Z. If Fractale weren't gorgeously animated, I'm not sure I'd rate it as high as an 8/10.
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Totally expected the Grand Priestess to try and kill Phryne. She could have done it, too, if she'd held on for a bit longer -_-"
Clain's such a hypocrite, calling them murderers, I mean he was clearly ready to shoot the soldier people in the temple -_-"
So that weird red thing is the terminal? O_O Uh ... I still don't really get what it does, but apparently it's a big deal he didn't remove his right? So he still sees Fractale and stuff? O_O
Just saying there's no way Sunda and Clain should have made it in. The gate was closing way too fast -_-"
Well, let's see how the last episode turns out. Maybe someone will die but then be reborn or something? I hope it's good, I'm starting to enjoy this show less and less
Mar 27, 2011 12:56 PM
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Totally expected the Grand Priestess to try and kill Phryne. She could have done it, too, if she'd held on for a bit longer -_-"
Clain's such a hypocrite, calling them murderers, I mean he was clearly ready to shoot the soldier people in the temple -_-"
So that weird red thing is the terminal? O_O Uh ... I still don't really get what it does, but apparently it's a big deal he didn't remove his right? So he still sees Fractale and stuff? O_O
Just saying there's no way Sunda and Clain should have made it in. The gate was closing way too fast -_-"
Well, let's see how the last episode turns out. Maybe someone will die but then be reborn or something? I hope it's good, I'm starting to enjoy this show less and less


That red thing was his doppel I think. The "terminal" is a bunch of nanomachines that run throughout the body (or that is the way I interpret it anyway).

The high priestess is just another example of poorly done character writing IMO. We've seen her for all of a minute or two on screen in ten episodes, and yet they decide to make her a cliche right at the end of the show.

More interesting to me than Fractale the anime would be a novel exploring how Fractale went from a computer system to a religion, and what measures were taken in order to make everyone compliant with the system. I doubt we'll ever get that though.
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Char0079 said:

If this were a multi-season epic, and I was a lot more invested, I'd be more angry at the actual character in the anime. Since the anime is so short though, I'm more just annoyed at the creator for making that a plot point. It does change the way previous things are viewed a bit , but without that ever being addressed, it's just one more footnote on an anime that is kind of riddled with vague plotlines and character motives. Her being an abuse victim makes me dislike one guy, when I really needed to dislike the Fractale system as a whole (for it to really have meaning for the overall plot).

I couldn't agree more.
The initial premisse with 2 sides each thinking to know best what's good for humanity, and both not shunning to get their hands dirty was interesting. But than they had to introduce the obligatory villain, and for me that cheapened the story considerably. We're led to dislike the Fractale system based on that 1 guy's actions, while they've failed to show what harm the system does on a personal basis.
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*sigh*
So everyone's Phryne nowadays. What a mess. And not just is it a mess, but pretty much everyone in the temple is fucking messed up.

...Also, that creep. All my rage. (╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Just sayin'.


I think those old ladies that jumped in the way of the gunfire are Phryne too.
Mar 27, 2011 1:26 PM

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But Fractale only lead to people not being social at all and forgetting what is important. They all live alone with dopples around them, and the world they see is fake. I want Fractale to end so everyone can real lives and see the real nature
(harmony, harmony oh love~)


You've just described every Otaku in the world. Just replace Fractale with Anime and Doppels with Anime Merchandise and yeah...
Mar 27, 2011 1:34 PM

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Butter.. that was disgusting.

Good episode overall, one left.
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I think DmonHiro is pretty much right on this. It is pretty clear that the father hadn't raped Phryne yet(since it would be pointless in doing so because they need a virgin girl to be the key) but since she was born from the capsule she has been having her body check up constantly by him(this was mention many times lately during the show and also 2 times in this episode).

@Char0079: I don't really think that you need such a "classic sign" to be your reference here. Just think about if he could do what he was doing in this episode to Phryne then don't you think something like this could have happened countless times before this?

I admit that they really know how to make a disgusting people doing disgusting thing.

And who else thought that those old women that working in the temple are also Phryne too?
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Clain and Phyryne better end up together or I'm going to be pissed.

Also Barott needs to die a Horrible, brutal, and painful death, I want him to suffer.
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I think DmonHiro is pretty much right on this. It is pretty clear that the father hadn't raped Phryne yet(since it would be pointless in doing so because they need a virgin girl to be the key) but since she was born from the capsule she has been having her body check up constantly by him(this was mention many times lately during the show and also 2 times in this episode).

@Char0079: I don't really think that you need such a "classic sign" to be your reference here. Just think about if he could do what he was doing in this episode to Phryne then don't you think something like this could have happened countless times before this?

I admit that they really know how to make a disgusting people doing disgusting thing.

And who else thought that those old women that working in the temple are also Phryne too?


The only reasoning I had for her maybe not having been abused was that the temple priestesses were protective, but then I remembered that she said she had been raised at the laboratory, which kind of nullifies that a bit. Either way, I'm not really invested enough in her as a character to care. We're on episode 10, and she wasn't in a couple of episodes. That means I care about as much as anyone can care in the span of 8 episodes (basically I want her and Clain to be together, but not much else). Abused or not, it isn't going to matter a whole lot after episode 11, if that makes any sense. As the guy in charge of keeping the clone machines going, I guess Barott probably abused his way through a generation or two of Phryne's. That's obviously terrible, but unless every generation of guys in charge of the laboratory is a predator, it doesn't really reflect poorly on Fractale as much as it does on human society (imagine all the rape that would happen if Fractale went down, for instance)

I definitely think the temple priestesses are all Phryne. The more I think about it, the more I realize that all of the temple guards look the same as well. Maybe they are all Barrot? Maybe he is just a clone himself (albeit one that is a little nutty in the head, like Phryne's older sister), who knows. Fractale could be growing its own support staff I guess (using one man, and one woman as a mold. Almost Adam and Eve style), but obviously the question of why the heck they need a virgin comes back into play, and why that particular Phryne is special when they are all exactly identical genetically.

Now that I think about it...Barrot is probably a virgin as well. I wonder if that is supposed to be one more knock on Otaku culture (that virginity has turned them into sex crazy monsters, that consume all forms of odd pornography)

@Krimson - The creator is famous in Japan for writing a book that looked (rather unfavorably if memory serves) at otaku culture. I'd read that the anime was supposed to borrow pretty heavily from the themes in that book (that Otaku are becoming too detached from reality, and that sort of thing). I think the show suffered because of that, and kind of got caught up in itself a little bit too much.
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The more I think about this show the less I like it. It's frustrating.
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oh god .....the last part ...
Mar 28, 2011 6:07 AM

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I'm feeling very sad after watching the last part. i wish phryne had died for bad ending instead completely defiled by that old creepy pervert. it let me down completely.
Mar 28, 2011 6:02 PM

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Dont worry about it Sunda will kill that old man^^

All rapers deserve to die like this !!!
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The first minute I was like.. "Is this a video game??" cgi to the max. Not complaining tho.

Clain got falcon punchedddd...

And the Archpriestess was...


plus...she's a vengeful bitch!

and..UGH that gross pervert!
Mar 29, 2011 5:56 AM
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I still have mixed feelings about this show, the fact the Phryne might be abused is something far to serious, Fractale has a bit of identity crisis, on one hand they try to be frivolous and even childlike, on the other hand they add those grime elements. It all feels a bit schizophrenic to me.

Is the manga any better?
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I still have mixed feelings about this show, the fact the Phryne might be abused is something far to serious, Fractale has a bit of identity crisis, on one hand they try to be frivolous and even childlike, on the other hand they add those grime elements. It all feels a bit schizophrenic to me.

Is the manga any better?


I hope the manga goes into waay more detail than the anime. I hope this anime is compressed like the Nausica anime was compressed, and that theres actually alot more to it.

I wouldnt say an identity crisis, but maybe this show is one of those "haha fooled you" shows. like "Higurashi" without that much gore.
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Ewww what the hell is up with the disgusting scene/sounds at the end? DIE SICK OLD PERVERT DIE. D:

Fractale has just taken a new turn for the worse.
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I will drop my rating for this show, even though i enjoyed it until now. i think very bad move from authors and before someone say its unpredictable or un-cliched something, no its not. suddenly turning all plot hatred towards that old pervert is just worst, like some kind of cheap hentai plot. abuse the girl and get power/help for ...... device/fight. so that what old pervert was going to do in last episode when nessa came and destroyed everything.
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I seriously hope the last episode will have some twist or surprise for the series to end nicely.
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That was some funny stuff. The look on Clain's and Nesa's face was priceless.
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It was kinda boring.
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OMG.i hate that stupid pervert!!! poor phyrne!!! T^T
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OHYEAH BUTTSEX RIGHT INFRONT OF CLAIN AND AINT NOTHING HE GON DO ABOUT IT
Apr 10, 2011 3:12 PM
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Climax begins!!! Clain is great now, he isn't foolish like before....
Poor Phryne, her destiny is dirty and sad, like her sister, but I don't understand why Nessa is guilty... probably there is a last revelation about Nessa and her role in fractale system....
Finale will decide which vote I will give it... it ranges between 8 and 9......

next to 11th(END) ep
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I just want to see Sunda survive. He's the only character I really care about here.

Can't help but think the same. I used to really like Nessa, but she got annoying pretty fast, so now it's just Sunda.
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Barrot needs to die. A horrible death if that's not asking too much.
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Great episode, wonder if it will have a sad ending
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Damn this is getting better and better but what is sad is that the next is the last episode of this wonderful series so let's see what will happen next! But damn that ending was pretty fucked up...
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I guessed purple was another incarnation but not that she hated humanity for what it made her and that's why she wanted to keep Fractale and that she would try to kill Phryne! At least she didn't.

They saved Nessa.

The end was disgusting! I can't believe that guy.
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