| The ending for the first part is perfect and fulfilling per se. I don't know whether Fujimoto or someone behind him came up with the idea of a sequel, but it's apparent that Fujimoto gave very little writing effort to this part. Not to mention without the help of his ex-assistants, the artwork also looks sloppy compared to the old chapters. |
| definitely reread it. there's a ton of moving parts, and it's easy to forget about some of them even existing. you could also wait until part 2 ends, and see how everything wraps up. |
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kizumi91 said:
The ending for the first part is perfect and fulfilling per se. I don't know whether Fujimoto or someone behind him came up with the idea of a sequel, but it's apparent that Fujimoto gave very little writing effort to this part. Not to mention without the help of his ex-assistants, the artwork also looks sloppy compared to the old chapters.
The ending for the first part is perfect and fulfilling per se. I don't know whether Fujimoto or someone behind him came up with the idea of a sequel, but it's apparent that Fujimoto gave very little writing effort to this part. Not to mention without the help of his ex-assistants, the artwork also looks sloppy compared to the old chapters.
You saying he gave little writing effort to part 2 is clearly wrong. Examples of fujimotos' writing style is all over part 2. Also, to say someone else came up with part 2 or the idea of a part 2 is crazy. When part 1 ended with a huge plot point for the actual ending of Csm. The four horsemen and Notradamus prophecie. He clearly wanted it to continue and had an idea for this story. Why else would he have let part 1 end as he did if not. Fujimoto also said that part 2 was going to be a very different story than part 1 before it even started.
Your argument is full of holes and is based on your personal disappointment you have with part 2.
| @Zar20 Could you tell me on the idea of this part and if possible, please elaborate more on how's that the 4 horsemen and the prophecy affect the narrative and theme overall? From my perspective, the second part is full of cringe humour and action hype, there's almost no specific nuance or impactful scene like the first part. And it's obvious when something doesn't live up to my expectation, I've the right to disappoint. |
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kizumi91 said:
The ending for the first part is perfect and fulfilling per se. I don't know whether Fujimoto or someone behind him came up with the idea of a sequel, but it's apparent that Fujimoto gave very little writing effort to this part. Not to mention without the help of his ex-assistants, the artwork also looks sloppy compared to the old chapters.
The ending for the first part is perfect and fulfilling per se. I don't know whether Fujimoto or someone behind him came up with the idea of a sequel, but it's apparent that Fujimoto gave very little writing effort to this part. Not to mention without the help of his ex-assistants, the artwork also looks sloppy compared to the old chapters.
why wouldn’t Fujimoto be part of the team for Part 2?? Just because his artwork changes doesn’t mean he took a step back, i always hated this “take” on why Part 2 isn’t living up to Part 1, but i guess im in the minority who likes where the story is heading, plus Asa x Yoru make up for the lack of Power/Makima
| @gyoobr gyoobr said: Guess you misread what I wrote here, I said the artwork got worse, not changed.why wouldn’t Fujimoto be part of the team for Part 2?? Just because his artwork changes doesn’t mean he took a step back gyoobr said: Asa x Yoru are kinda interesting duo but considering what happend so far in this part, it'd be too soon to claim anything. Also, don't forget we have characters like Himeno, Aki, Reze, Quanxi, Kishibe in part 1.but i guess im in the minority who likes where the story is heading, plus Asa x Yoru make up for the lack of Power/Makima |
| nah its not difficult to follow but slow to follow with its very slow pacing that you tend to forget old chapters fast |
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kizumi91 said:
@Zar20 Could you tell me on the idea of this part and if possible, please elaborate more on how's that the 4 horsemen and the prophecy affect the narrative and theme overall? From my perspective, the second part is full of cringe humour and action hype, there's almost no specific nuance or impactful scene like the first part. And it's obvious when something doesn't live up to my expectation, I've the right to disappoint.
@Zar20 Could you tell me on the idea of this part and if possible, please elaborate more on how's that the 4 horsemen and the prophecy affect the narrative and theme overall? From my perspective, the second part is full of cringe humour and action hype, there's almost no specific nuance or impactful scene like the first part. And it's obvious when something doesn't live up to my expectation, I've the right to disappoint.
Part 2 is a continuation of part 1. Denji is learning how to live as a normal person(being human). Denji is still figuring all of that stuff out.
The four horsemen are after Pochita/Denji due to unknown reasons (Asa/Yoru being revenge). It's hard to fully answer your question of narrative about a part that isn't even complete yet.
Your question for narrative is a terrible one due to the part not even being over yet. Part 1 had a lot of its narrative revealed at the end. Sure, you could say the gun devil was kind of that for the story, but it wasnt. Part 2 is no different from that angle. We have so many missing piece you could even say this part is all set up.
Also, this part had plenty of impactful moments. One of my favorites is when Denji and Asa are stuck in the aquarium and they are just siting down(cooking food, i believe) feeling each over out and how they look at thing and learning about each other. Asa alone gives Denji examples of other people's faults and struggles, and it shows him that not everyone is out there trying to use him.
I'm also not telling you how to think or what you should be disappointed with. If there was some miscommunication on my end.
| @Zar20 Zar20 said: It doesn't seem like an idea to me but more like a premise. The idea for part 1 is that it explores human fear, desire, and connection. What could part 2 be about?Part 2 is a continuation of part 1. Denji is learning how to live as a normal person(being human). Denji is still figuring all of that stuff out. Zar20 said: One of the biggest issues with part 2 is that the pacing is horribly slow with myriads of redundant details, or perhaps I should say it just wandered aimlessly. 93 chapters only for the setup? In part 1, the gun devil was foreshadowed from early arcs, and it's paid off well in the end. Besides, the mystery of Makima and her relationship with Denji took a big role in both theme and narrative. And let's not forget Himeno, Aki, and Power too. I wonder what those missing pieces you mentioned are, and how long it is until all of them start to make sense. 100 chapters more, 200 chapters more lol.The four horsemen are after Pochita/Denji due to unknown reasons (Asa/Yoru being revenge). It's hard to fully answer your question of narrative about a part that isn't even complete yet. Your question for narrative is a terrible one due to the part not even being over yet. Part 1 had a lot of its narrative revealed at the end. Sure, you could say the gun devil was kind of that for the story, but it wasnt. Part 2 is no different from that angle. We have so many missing piece you could even say this part is all set up. Zar20 said: The moment you told me is something pretty common in part 1. Didn't we already have a plethora of them in part 1 between Denji and other girls as well? I personally think those scenes are much more impactful than Asa x Denji.Also, this part had plenty of impactful moments. One of my favorites is when Denji and Asa are stuck in the aquarium and they are just siting down(cooking food, i believe) feeling each over out and how they look at thing and learning about each other. Asa alone gives Denji examples of other people's faults and struggles, and it shows him that not everyone is out there trying to use him. I also want to mention other moments like the Darkness Devil fight and the Aki fiend confrontation; we still haven't got anything of the same weight in part 2. Zar20 said: I hope so because I just voiced out my own opinion and analysis. Your above comment somehow supposed my words only based on my disappointment, which is totally inaccurate.I'm also not telling you how to think or what you should be disappointed with. If there was some miscommunication on my end. |
LampWork said: Back in part 1 i thought that I understand everything what's happening in the manga but I guess it was from towards the end of Part 1 when things started go over my head, and now in Part 2 for most part I don't get anything at all. Would Rereading it again make it comprehensible for me ? Going chapter by chapter as it releases can make you forget things.. as it goes on.. but you could..but I wouldn’t unless I really like the concept in part 1..but I don’t think it’s that hard to follow.. |
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Why does part 2 have to be something different when those themes of part 1 are still an important part of the story?
The scene I mentioned has a way different of an impact than the reze one. Him waiting for her and her not showing up betrays him. How can you say the other women in part 1 have done the same thing as Asa when I just explained the difference. Asa is showing true human emotions with no side mission.
Also, giving me intense/heavy action scenes is what you were just judging part 2 for having. The Gun devil (part 2) and the fall devil weren't heavy or important in some way? We also had Nayutas decapitated head on a plate , someone who's very im portant to Denji. That's not a heavy scene?
You know who Fujimoto is as a writer, Firepunch is on your favorites ( you also have great taste, btw), so you know Fujimoto does his own thing so maybe there is a good amount of set up for what's to come. Who knows !?!?! He's a wild card!
The scene I mentioned has a way different of an impact than the reze one. Him waiting for her and her not showing up betrays him. How can you say the other women in part 1 have done the same thing as Asa when I just explained the difference. Asa is showing true human emotions with no side mission.
Also, giving me intense/heavy action scenes is what you were just judging part 2 for having. The Gun devil (part 2) and the fall devil weren't heavy or important in some way? We also had Nayutas decapitated head on a plate , someone who's very im portant to Denji. That's not a heavy scene?
You know who Fujimoto is as a writer, Firepunch is on your favorites ( you also have great taste, btw), so you know Fujimoto does his own thing so maybe there is a good amount of set up for what's to come. Who knows !?!?! He's a wild card!
| @Zar20 Zar20 said: Sorry but I don't quite get what you're trying to say here. Didn't you already tell me above that part 2 is something different from part 1?Why does part 2 have to be something different when those themes of part 1 are still an important part of the story? Zar20 said: Reze not only loves but also relates with Denji. She also offered a running-away option to Denji. Isn't it also true human emotion? The dynamic between Asa and Denji more or less resembles Ayase and Ken in Dandadan, wouldn't say it's bad or smt, but evidently the impact itself isn't as substantial as Denji with Reze.The scene I mentioned has a way different of an impact than the reze one. Him waiting for her and her not showing up betrays him. How can you say the other women in part 1 have done the same thing as Asa when I just explained the difference. Asa is showing true human emotions with no side mission. Zar20 said: When I mentioned intense/heavy scenes, I referred to the subtext, the figurative sense of them. Sure, the gun devil and fall devil in part 2 are intense, and Nayuta's head is creepy too. Yet, they feel very superficial and are kind of shock value. Compared to them, for instance, the Darkness Devil arc is one of the scariest and most spine-chilling Manga/Anime fights ever, which completely subverts our expectations with the story. The Gun Devil also is foreshadowed very early and the mystery around him is very compelling. The story revolves around him takes a big role in presenting the theme of part 1. The scene where he possesses Aki and fights against Denji, needless to say, is more emotional than every fight you could think of.Also, giving me intense/heavy action scenes is what you were just judging part 2 for having. The Gun devil (part 2) and the fall devil weren't heavy or important in some way? We also had Nayutas decapitated head on a plate , someone who's very im portant to Denji. That's not a heavy scene? Zar20 said: Nah, I doubt it this time. CSM part 1 and Fire Punch are both action-packed, coherent, and dense. Not only did they elaborate on the setting, world-building, introduce character and story but also featured the climax and many epic scenes, along with the integration of some deep themes and symbolism. Part 2, with 93 chapters till now, still struggles with the setup lol, and I don't even get the concrete direction that the story is about to head to.You know who Fujimoto is as a writer, Firepunch is on your favorites ( you also have great taste, btw), so you know Fujimoto does his own thing so maybe there is a good amount of set up for what's to come. Who knows !?!?! He's a wild card! |
| @Zar20 Zar20 said: I guess it's been a while since you read part 1 so you prob forgot some details about it. Reze and Denji's situation is quite complicated as they belong to different worlds. It's not that Denji rejected Reze or smt, but it's really hard for them to be with each other. In fact, after reviving Reze, in the beach, Denji offered Reze a running-away option as Reze used to tell him. When Reze left him, he also told her that he'd be waiting for her at the cafe. And Reze at first, indeed intended to leave, yet she changed her mind later on. I hope you remember what's happened after this moment then.You bring up decent points. I just don't agree with the way you see it. Reze might have loved Denji. However, Denji did not receive it. She wanted to run away with him and then never showed up. From Denji's perspective, she was just like every other girl using him. Zar20 said: I don't think slow pace is a big problem as long as there's a concrete direction and coherency in writing. Especially when the latest chapter ends up very plain and anticlimactic, it's reasonable to criticize it for now. I also wanna draw a comparison to another slow-paced Manga named Detective Conan. As the story was dragged into over 1100 chapters, many acclaimed die-hard fans of it now turn against the author.Part 2 is a slower pace story that continues the theme of being human. Part 1 tells the story of what it means to be human. Part 2 shows the struggles of it( building off of the premise of part 1). That's how I see it. It doesn't answer all of your questions, but I don't think it needs to at this moment in the story. |
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kizumi91 said: @Zar20 Zar20 said: I guess it's been a while since you read part 1 so you prob forgot some details about it. Reze and Denji's situation is quite complicated as they belong to different worlds. It's not that Denji rejected Reze or smt, but it's really hard for them to be with each other. In fact, after reviving Reze, in the beach, Denji offered Reze a running-away option as Reze used to tell him. When Reze left him, he also told her that he'd be waiting for her at the cafe. And Reze at first, indeed intended to leave, yet she changed her mind later on. I hope you remember what's happened after this moment then.You bring up decent points. I just don't agree with the way you see it. Reze might have loved Denji. However, Denji did not receive it. She wanted to run away with him and then never showed up. From Denji's perspective, she was just like every other girl using him. Zar20 said: I don't think slow pace is a big problem as long as there's a concrete direction and coherency in writing. Especially when the latest chapter ends up very plain and anticlimactic, it's reasonable to criticize it for now. I also wanna draw a comparison to another slow-paced Manga named Detective Conan. As the story was dragged into over 1100 chapters, many acclaimed die-hard fans of it now turn against the author.Part 2 is a slower pace story that continues the theme of being human. Part 1 tells the story of what it means to be human. Part 2 shows the struggles of it( building off of the premise of part 1). That's how I see it. It doesn't answer all of your questions, but I don't think it needs to at this moment in the story. Oh, i don't think the slow pace is bad either it's just different from part 1. If csm reaches that many chapters, then we have a problem for sure. I hear what you're saying about the Reze stuff, but the fact that she didn't show up is the problem. It doesn't matter what we, the reader knows. It's what Denji knows. Reze fully intended on meeting up with Denji but was stopped. Denji does not know the actual reason why she didn't show up, so to him, he was still just used as she "rejected" the offer. |
| @Zar20 Zar20 said: I don't see there's anything fishy with Denji not recognizing the truth. The scene was made as a tragedy to show the dark side of the govt as well as hint us a lil bit more towards Makima's personality and motivation. It has a huge impact on the whole narrative of part 1. What exactly is the problem here?I hear what you're saying about the Reze stuff, but the fact that she didn't show up is the problem. It doesn't matter what we, the reader knows. It's what Denji knows. Reze fully intended on meeting up with Denji but was stopped. Denji does not know the actual reason why she didn't show up, so to him, he was still just used as she "rejected" the offer. |
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