Sword Art Online (light novel)
Favorite villian?
| Oberon is my fav for being goofy and knowing what his prize is. |
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| SAO has probably one of the worst villains in all anime. But I guess PoH stands out, because he desperately tried to force character development on Kirito, but sadly failed at that. |
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SAO has probably one of the worst villains in all anime. But I guess PoH stands out, because he desperately tried to force character development on Kirito, but sadly failed at that.
| @Pieromysl I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive. Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters. |
rohan121Nov 7, 10:41 PM
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rohan121 said: @Pieromysl I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive. Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters. Nah, I just can't take seriously some character archetypes such as mad scientist going through midlife crisis from 1st season, pedo creep from 2nd, quiet kid edgelord from GGO or naked chick for some reason from Alicization. The mercenary guy from 2nd half of Alicization was probably the lamest because it was just a one dimensional, generic mercenary guy doing his job and we as interesting as last year's snow. It's overall bottom tier level, but character writing is infamously bad in SAO, so it does not stand out too much when compared to other characters. |
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rohan121 said:
@Pieromysl
I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive.
Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters.
@Pieromysl
I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive.
Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters.
Nah, I just can't take seriously some character archetypes such as mad scientist going through midlife crisis from 1st season, pedo creep from 2nd, quiet kid edgelord from GGO or naked chick for some reason from Alicization. The mercenary guy from 2nd half of Alicization was probably the lamest because it was just a one dimensional, generic mercenary guy doing his job and we as interesting as last year's snow. It's overall bottom tier level, but character writing is infamously bad in SAO, so it does not stand out too much when compared to other characters.
| @Pieromysl What villains are so great and original? |
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Pieromysl said: rohan121 said: @Pieromysl I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive. Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters. Nah, I just can't take seriously some character archetypes such as mad scientist going through midlife crisis from 1st season, pedo creep from 2nd, quiet kid edgelord from GGO or naked chick for some reason from Alicization. The mercenary guy from 2nd half of Alicization was probably the lamest because it was just a one dimensional, generic mercenary guy doing his job and we as interesting as last year's snow. It's overall bottom tier level, but character writing is infamously bad in SAO, so it does not stand out too much when compared to other characters. With all due respect, are we watching the same anime? The “villains” I saw were different levels of “evil”, but nonetheless evil villains. Also, SAO is not the worst anime I have seen, for what it was trying to do and the age group it aimed for, it did pretty well in that context to accomplish their goal. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
rohan121 said: @Pieromysl I disagree completely. Most villains lack any balls, and sao villains all have theirs. It is strange most villains in other media have 0 sex drive. Nice seeing villains go on to a goal that is not rule the world like it even matters. So according to you, a villain is lame unless he's a rapist/his goal is to rape? I don't think so. The best villain is one who does what he thinks is correct in observance of what he thinks is moral and virtuous, such that the viewer understands and relates to why he's doing it. Sexual degeneracy is so incontrovertibly evil that whenever it's the sole or primary feature of a villain, such that nobody can relate to him, it becomes lame. It's also so easy and cheap to write in that it's boring. Roswaal Mathers is a good antagonist. But Elsa not so much, because the extent of her character and motivation is the fact that she's a hired assassin who became one because she was abused as a child. I think kayaba and quinella are the only acceptable villains in this franchise. The former is still too bland and simple, and as for the latter, she could have been so much better and less weird/illogical. |
| Quinella of course, don't know any other show with a naked villainess fighting. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| They're mostly parodies of actual villains, but I'll pick the guy from Ordinal Scale. Eiji. He was kinda cool. |
| ill go with Kayaba, mostly because I kinda like the selfishness with him wanting to create his dream world and trap other people in it. Just to see how people act in it and see their different ways to interact with it. The fact that his selfish choice made a grousome situation with about 4,000 deaths, and still made a significant amount of people end up with a love hate relationship to the whole incident, is something I find intriguing. Then even after all that is he still not done, he uploads his own conscience to somewhere online, and started playing the long game. With his final ploy still not being over. Though I might be a bit biased since I have read most of the light novels, and can't remember what details came from them, compared to the anime. |
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| Well said, Denji. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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Pieromysl said:
SAO has probably one of the worst villains in all anime. But I guess PoH stands out, because he desperately tried to force character development on Kirito, but sadly failed at that.
SAO has probably one of the worst villains in all anime. But I guess PoH stands out, because he desperately tried to force character development on Kirito, but sadly failed at that.
He technically wasn't trying to get Kirito to develop, he just took pleasure in his suffering as we heard in war of underworld when Asuna said that after the raid of laughing coffin and during 2nd season when he was having ptsd from it and PoH laughed and smiled. Even then it's not the best villain but I do love his cunning when he wants people to suffer.
Eckl3 said: He technically wasn't trying to get Kirito to develop, he just took pleasure in his suffering as we heard in war of underworld when Asuna said that after the raid of laughing coffin and during 2nd season when he was having ptsd from it and PoH laughed and smiled. Even then it's not the best villain but I do love his cunning when he wants people to suffer. I think it's pretty obvious it wasn't his intention, but it would result in his well needed development, even as a side effect. Kirito might have evolved into an actual edgelord instead of just posing as one. IhnalakoKaina said: I think kayaba and quinella are the only acceptable villains in this franchise. Quinella is actually probably the worst offender, because author made her butt naked for a reason. Fanservice is sometimes a distraction from blatant lack of substance and quality, which is why SAO sometimes relies on sexual assault scenes and fanservice. Put some clothes on Quinella and it becomes obvious that she is just a one dimensional, boring and generic antagonist that becomes forgotten and irrelevant as soon as she is defeated. |
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Pieromysl said: Quinella is actually probably the worst offender, because author made her butt naked for a reason. Fanservice is sometimes a distraction from blatant lack of substance and quality, which is why SAO sometimes relies on sexual assault scenes and fanservice. Put some clothes on Quinella and it becomes obvious that she is just a one dimensional, boring and generic antagonist that becomes forgotten and irrelevant as soon as she is defeated. The reason was to demonstrate her elevated pride and security, not saying that it was a good schtick, but it wasn't solely for fanservice. Her lack of relevancy afterwards is a flaw of the author's writing, not a feature. Like every other part of the series, the potential was there but it fell flat. It's true that she ended up being trash, but I'd like to imagine that if there ever were a remake she'd be the one villain who needs the least amount of change out of the bunch to become interesting and memorable. |
IhnalakoKaina said: Pieromysl said: Quinella is actually probably the worst offender, because author made her butt naked for a reason. Fanservice is sometimes a distraction from blatant lack of substance and quality, which is why SAO sometimes relies on sexual assault scenes and fanservice. Put some clothes on Quinella and it becomes obvious that she is just a one dimensional, boring and generic antagonist that becomes forgotten and irrelevant as soon as she is defeated. The reason was to demonstrate her elevated pride and security, not saying that it was a good schtick, but it wasn't solely for fanservice. Her lack of relevancy afterwards is a flaw of the author's writing, not a feature. Like every other part of the series, the potential was there but it fell flat. It's true that she ended up being trash, but I'd like to imagine that if there ever were a remake she'd be the one villain who needs the least amount of change out of the bunch to become interesting and memorable. Character design is a part of storytelling. I can write an entire book listing how you can depict a character having an "elevated pride" and stripping butt naked is not one of them. You may take a perfect example of Freya from currently airing Danmachi. She is beautiful, prideful and arrogant and takes what she wants by her charm, but she knows perfectly well to cover herself up when walking around. SAO author did not knew how to make compelling villaines, so obviously if she seduces dudes she must be butt naked. That's the narrow and shallow writing SAO is known for. |
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| quinella since she is sexy hot |
| Quinella haters probably never understood the philosophical value of what she said in the mid part of episode 22 |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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