| ... is the most disappointing group that has probably appeared in this series XD They didn't kill a single enemy, they didn't even seriously HURT a single enemy. Senjumaru got one shot from Ishida (why is hej so strong all of a sudden). I understand that they brought some of their inventions to the soul society, etc., but if this group appears and calls itself "stronger than the entire Gotei 13",and is wiped out in less than two episodes, it's a bit of a joke. Especially since now the 'ordinary and weak' shinigami will surely defeat the Quincy who wiped out Zero Division...Power rankings have long been a mess in Bleach, but it could have been handled better. They could have defeated at least two enemies. The fact that Division Zero appeared so late and disappeared just as quickly does not improve the situation. This is wasted potential. they fail completely and now Ichibei be like ''uhh, Ichigo, plesae help and stop Ychwach'' XD |
Jollyne7Oct 10, 3:19 PM
| The manga was worse but they actually did kill a casual/normal Stern Ritter [and a Stern Ritter is equal to an ordinary Captain] whom is equal to majority/all others whom defeated Gotei 13, Nianzol who was literally one shotted without any effort by Senjumaru is in terms of power not much different than Robert, Bambietta, As Nodt etc. The Schutzstaffel members without Askin were not a part of first invasion because they were keeping their reiatsu to keep Silbern hidden in "shadow realm" so they are uncomparable to the others. - That's a theory but it is possible that Quilge Opie whom was in Hueco Mundo was a member of Schutzstaffel and Askin was promoted/choosen to be there in his replacement. And Jugram aswell as Ishida are there because one of them is Yhwach's right hand with a broken ability and Ishida [manga ain't having answers] but his power is usefull for Yhwach and perhaps of specifics of it he needs to keep him close for a specific reason [theory/perhaps canon in future but that's a spoiler so:] Also you've forgotten that they got empowered by Auswahlen which absorbed majority of other Quincies power and lifes to be redistributed among Schutzstaffel because they've got clapped by Squad 0 very easily and than they also needed a help of Almighty to be rescued from Senjumaru Bankais lethal techniques although it wasn't enough to make them outside the tapestry, which was possible for Ishida and as he has schrift "A" which is his new power is highly broken, he has been powerfull since early arcs you've just all forgotten it cause he didn't have that much actions later, he has defeated Mayuri Kurotsuchi in Soul Society arc by using Letz Stil with Sklaverai which is an archaic/outdated version of Vollstandig and Ransotengai which is a highly difficult skill used by Quincies and only those of high power can use it which is why Mayuri was surprised that Ishida can do that in young age, so far outside Ishida only Quilge Opie used Ransotengai to lock Ichigo in Garganta with his schrift's J ability, it is not all of sudden. And the best part that among all of killings the highest ever kill count has Yhwach himself, while the highest kill count among Shinigami has Zaraki Kenpachi and Ichigo has theoretically one, but if CFYOW content about Shaz Domino is real than it would mean that he has 0 kills, not only that Jugram himself has a higher kill count than alot of shinigamis x) |
ZettaikenOct 10, 4:36 PM
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Zettaiken said:
The manga was worse but they actually did kill a casual/normal Stern Ritter [and a Stern Ritter is equal to an ordinary Captain] whom is equal to majority/all others whom defeated Gotei 13, Nianzol who was literally one shotted without any effort by Senjumaru is in terms of power not much different than Robert, Bambietta, As Nodt etc. The Schutzstaffel members without Askin were not a part of first invasion because they were keeping their reiatsu to keep Silbern hidden in "shadow realm" so they are uncomparable to the others. - That's a theory but it is possible that Quilge Opie whom was in Hueco Mundo was a member of Schutzstaffel and Askin was promoted/choosen to be there in his replacement.
And Jugram aswell as Ishida are there because one of them is Yhwach's right hand with a broken ability and Ishida [manga ain't having answers] but his power is usefull for Yhwach and perhaps of specifics of it he needs to keep him close for a specific reason [theory/perhaps canon in future but that's a spoiler so:]
Also you've forgotten that they got empowered by Auswahlen which absorbed majority of other Quincies power and lifes to be redistributed among Schutzstaffel because they've got clapped by Squad 0 very easily and than they also needed a help of Almighty to be rescued from Senjumaru Bankais lethal techniques although it wasn't enough to make them outside the tapestry, which was possible for Ishida and as he has schrift "A" which is his new power is highly broken, he has been powerfull since early arcs you've just all forgotten it cause he didn't have that much actions later, he has defeated Mayuri Kurotsuchi in Soul Society arc by using Letz Stil with Sklaverai which is an archaic/outdated version of Vollstandig and Ransotengai which is a highly difficult skill used by Quincies and only those of high power can use it which is why Mayuri was surprised that Ishida can do that in young age, so far outside Ishida only Quilge Opie used Ransotengai to lock Ichigo in Garganta with his schrift's J ability, it is not all of sudden.
And the best part that among all of killings the highest ever kill count has Yhwach himself, while the highest kill count among Shinigami has Zaraki Kenpachi and Ichigo has theoretically one, but if CFYOW content about Shaz Domino is real than it would mean that he has 0 kills, not only that Jugram himself has a higher kill count than alot of shinigamis x)
The manga was worse but they actually did kill a casual/normal Stern Ritter [and a Stern Ritter is equal to an ordinary Captain] whom is equal to majority/all others whom defeated Gotei 13, Nianzol who was literally one shotted without any effort by Senjumaru is in terms of power not much different than Robert, Bambietta, As Nodt etc. The Schutzstaffel members without Askin were not a part of first invasion because they were keeping their reiatsu to keep Silbern hidden in "shadow realm" so they are uncomparable to the others. - That's a theory but it is possible that Quilge Opie whom was in Hueco Mundo was a member of Schutzstaffel and Askin was promoted/choosen to be there in his replacement.
And Jugram aswell as Ishida are there because one of them is Yhwach's right hand with a broken ability and Ishida [manga ain't having answers] but his power is usefull for Yhwach and perhaps of specifics of it he needs to keep him close for a specific reason [theory/perhaps canon in future but that's a spoiler so:]
Also you've forgotten that they got empowered by Auswahlen which absorbed majority of other Quincies power and lifes to be redistributed among Schutzstaffel because they've got clapped by Squad 0 very easily and than they also needed a help of Almighty to be rescued from Senjumaru Bankais lethal techniques although it wasn't enough to make them outside the tapestry, which was possible for Ishida and as he has schrift "A" which is his new power is highly broken, he has been powerfull since early arcs you've just all forgotten it cause he didn't have that much actions later, he has defeated Mayuri Kurotsuchi in Soul Society arc by using Letz Stil with Sklaverai which is an archaic/outdated version of Vollstandig and Ransotengai which is a highly difficult skill used by Quincies and only those of high power can use it which is why Mayuri was surprised that Ishida can do that in young age, so far outside Ishida only Quilge Opie used Ransotengai to lock Ichigo in Garganta with his schrift's J ability, it is not all of sudden.
And the best part that among all of killings the highest ever kill count has Yhwach himself, while the highest kill count among Shinigami has Zaraki Kenpachi and Ichigo has theoretically one, but if CFYOW content about Shaz Domino is real than it would mean that he has 0 kills, not only that Jugram himself has a higher kill count than alot of shinigamis x)
Nah, she’s vaild with her judgment on Uryu. While he was impressive against Mayuri, his fights afterwards don't go to well for him. Let’s not forget his only wins after that were against fodder characters; he lost against Szayel and was quickly defeated by Ulquiorra, but even into the Fullbringer arc, he’s still treated pretty poorly, getting one shot by both Ginjo and Tsukishima, and he was even written out of the final fight with Ichigo against Ginjo, so it’s pretty fair to believe Uryu shouldn't be so powerful out of nowhere, even if it makes sense.
| @opioids Yes which is quite a shame he wasn't on the spot after Mayuri's fight to make him relevant through at least Arrancar arc, as given initially it doesn't mean he has suddenly became a weak character. Cause anime hasn't shown/revealed alot I don't want to spoil on his Schrift abilities, if not schrift most if not all Quincies would have been killed instantly like Licht Empire was. Aswell as Ishida's strength was somehow teased by Quilge not believing that he is stronger than Ishida. |
| Senjumaru Shutara actually won the fight Her bankai was not meant to inflict damage in combat, but to define the destiny of Yhwach’s royal guard members, and in that way it worked just fine, but I’m not giving people spoilers. |
Zettaiken said: @opioids Yes which is quite a shame he wasn't on the spot after Mayuri's fight to make him relevant through at least Arrancar arc, as given initially it doesn't mean he has suddenly became a weak character. Cause anime hasn't shown/revealed alot I don't want to spoil on his Schrift abilities, if not schrift most if not all Quincies would have been killed instantly like Licht Empire was. Aswell as Ishida's strength was somehow teased by Quilge not believing that he is stronger than Ishida. I remember when this arc was finished in the manga, one of the main complaints was that Uryuu didn’t do anything and it was supposed to be HIS ARC, the arc where Kubo would show his full potential… and now that the anime is doing that, people are complaining that the character is “too strong out of nowhere”, if he didn’t do shit like in the manga, people would complain the same way. Uryuu does HAVE to be strong, he was appointed as Yhwach successor, and drank Yhwach's blood which made him stronger. |
neffst3rOct 10, 6:37 PM
| How do MAL users still struggle against decade-old talking points like this especially when so clearly rendered obsolete to them by the anime? Not surprising at all knowing this site. https://imgur.com/a/squad-0-bankai-jbdxgDE ^This already disproves the notion that Squad Zero is still a disappointment. It's now part of lore that the three realms of existence would begin trembling if any of them used their true power, and that's precisely what happens upon Senjumaru's mere casual release of Bankai. Yamamoto's Bankai had the power to erase the Soul Society if released for too long, and that was just one realm. Individually the Royal Guards are above Captain level and arguably Captain Commander level at full. But Ichibei is most definitely at least on that level and never lacked the feats to suggest so. You're also forgetting that Squad 0 was initially wiping the floor with the Schutzstaffel. A regular Sternritter is around Captain level and the Quincies marching in the Soul Palace are Yhwach's elite soldiers. They flipped the power dynamic against the guards after Yhwach used Auswahlen to cull the weak in his army for the strong; essentially resurrecting and bestowing them more of his divine power. As for Uryu oneshotting Senjumaru after the Auswahlen: neffst3r above me pretty much said it. And Uryu has a Schrift with the same designation as the Almighty, which Yhwach didn't give for no reason. If you aren't familiar with what it is yet then it will make perfect sense once Uryu eventually reveals it in the anime. +Bleach powerscaling is fine lol. Nothing wrong with it. |
TheBladeIsMeOct 11, 12:51 AM
MrDraza said: Such as? Give 3 examples. The biggest problem for me with Bleach is how every character is absurdly strong, so much so that the constant power ups are just coming out of author's ass. It feels like their powers aren't sticking to the power system but going in all kinds of direction of other powers systems in other franchises. Liked the entirety of the first part of the Bleach anime, but after that not so much... The power designs are generally regarded as one of its biggest strengths, which wouldn't be the case without the "soft logic" of the power system at hand. Reiatsu doesn't operate on the rigid mechanics that a lot of other shounen do, which means less inclination towards convoluted pseudoscience contributing nothing to the narrative and more freedom for thematically cohesive (especially to the character) and diverse abilities. The only shounen with as consistently creative power designs is probably JoJo, which like Bleach is pretty abstract. Koustubh said: You're pretty much correct.The only way I try to make sense out of this is Yhwach was just simply more powerful than than Squad 0. Bro literally pulled a last minute move to suck up all Quincy power from useless Quincies and redistribute it to stronger ones. Add 'The Almighty' to that and well... lmao it becomes a joke. So while Squad 0 had indeed defeated the Royal Guard of Yhwach, this brother just popped out his trump card and revived them, which helped them defeat Squad 0. This made Squad 0's strength look like a joke when they are actually pretty powerful themselves. |
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My biggest complaint about Bleach is the retarded as fuck UNO reverse card that this anime pulls out of his ass EVERY SINGLE TIME, no wonder I disliked this shitty arc in the manga, and no wonder the manga ended abruptly, I don't remember but I think the manga got axed, at least that's what I remember people saying back in those days.
Every time you see the good guys using their Bankai and winning the fight, taking a good part of the episode with their shitty pointless babbling with a dumb smirk on their faces, then you already know with 100% certainty that it won't work and they will get their ass handed to them in the very next scene and this happens EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME!, rinse and repeat and you have Bleach, the UNO reverse card anime! just stop it with that shit, where's the creativity here? maybe I'm just getting too old for this shit but that shit stinks and this is coming from a Bleach fan since I used to be a fan of Naruto and Bleach back in those days, but in this UNO reverse card thingie, Bleach is fucking horrible! it's the worst of all the shounen animes I've watched.
And yeah, Squad Zero is pointless, disappointingly pointless and the power levels are dumb as fuck and don't make sense, I'm just watching Bleach due to the great animation in this arc since it's the only good thing it has going for it at the moment, this arc fucking sucks but at least the production quality and the animation is great.
Every time you see the good guys using their Bankai and winning the fight, taking a good part of the episode with their shitty pointless babbling with a dumb smirk on their faces, then you already know with 100% certainty that it won't work and they will get their ass handed to them in the very next scene and this happens EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME!, rinse and repeat and you have Bleach, the UNO reverse card anime! just stop it with that shit, where's the creativity here? maybe I'm just getting too old for this shit but that shit stinks and this is coming from a Bleach fan since I used to be a fan of Naruto and Bleach back in those days, but in this UNO reverse card thingie, Bleach is fucking horrible! it's the worst of all the shounen animes I've watched.
And yeah, Squad Zero is pointless, disappointingly pointless and the power levels are dumb as fuck and don't make sense, I'm just watching Bleach due to the great animation in this arc since it's the only good thing it has going for it at the moment, this arc fucking sucks but at least the production quality and the animation is great.
| @xZabuzax Did you really just copy-paste your media-illiterate rant from the episode discussion because you thought no one had read it? I can't blame them for not engaging with this, where do you even begin with such slanderous low IQ drivel? There's a lot here from you to systematically dismantle. Since you seem very opinionated and vocal about your takes, perhaps I'll get back to you. |
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@TheBladeIsMe I copy/pasted the same shit because I couldn't be bothered to write another wall of text, that's as much attention this shitty arc gets from me.
Don't bother responding, don't care about your opinion and that's as much as you will get from me too.
Don't bother responding, don't care about your opinion and that's as much as you will get from me too.
| @xZabuzax Why are you so afraid of showing your lists btw? |
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@xZabuzax Did you really just copy-paste your media-illiterate rant from the episode discussion because you thought no one had read it? I can't blame them for not engaging with this, where do you even begin with such slanderous low IQ drivel?
There's a lot here from you to systematically dismantle. Since you seem very opinionated and vocal about your takes, perhaps I'll get back to you.
There's a lot here from you to systematically dismantle. Since you seem very opinionated and vocal about your takes, perhaps I'll get back to you.
| @TheBladeIsMe Guy says shitty arc, because he doesn't like uno reverse cards as if it is something wrong with them. Lol, skill issue and subjective whining. Also I can proudly say that anime did the justice to Squad 0, unlike the manga, but there has to be always that 1 person I guess... |
| I mean, they defeated the Schutzstaffel before Auswählen and only lost to Yhwach and his successor after... that's hardly a poor showing. |
| They are strong. They defeated the stern ritters multiple times. Yhwach saved them both times. Squad 0’s powers were locked behind their teammate’s lives. So basically to go full power 3 of them had to die. Senjumaru did beat them and the only two stern ritters who could reverse Senjumaru’s bankai can also literally beat anyone in ss (Aizen excluded, bc of immortality). Uryu one shotting her might seem lame, but antithesis could one shot every soul reaper. |
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Jollyne7 said: They didn't kill a single enemy Your whole argument is invalid, they killed Nianzol. |
| Actually Squad Zero can't use their full power other wise it would disrupt the balance of the 3 realms |
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| Squad zero killed them all twice, and they all had to be revived twice. They had a good showing, but the story must go on. |
| Senjumaru's death from Ishida was pretty lame. He fires a small little arrow, the same kind he threw at Ulquiorra, who brushed them off with his wings. They could have at least bolstered the arrow to look similar to the one he fired while driving Letzt Stil. The blood oath seal is a bit contrived too. |
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