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Sep 17, 2023 8:04 AM
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Not this again. The dad made them sleep this time? Why?
Sep 17, 2023 8:06 AM
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My reaction to this chapter:
Sep 17, 2023 9:24 AM
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Aw shit, here we go again
Sep 17, 2023 10:51 AM
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Back to the drugging, keeping the family in a dream is the toxic way to keep them together. Sad they are returning to a failing family state.
Sep 17, 2023 10:52 AM
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and there are those who wonder why so many people want this series get axed in WSJ
Sep 17, 2023 11:23 AM
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Every week it's another "Mad World" by Tears for Fears

At least I was right about the collared shirt universe being the dream universe (unless they're all dream universes and they're all dead or something)
Sep 17, 2023 12:58 PM
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what in the actual fuck is going on ...

also somebody tell me the release schedule...is it weekly or monthly?(i caught up recently)
Sep 17, 2023 3:23 PM
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Was expecting a twist but wasn't expecting THAT twist! At least not right at this moment. The dad is definitely up to something and Sota seems like he could be aware he's in the dream. Interesting imo because some terrible secret is about to come out as a result of this.

I see some people out there grumbling about the chapter and I wonder why? I'm excited to get back into the plot twist aspect of this and the central device is definitely the hospital awakening.
Sep 17, 2023 5:30 PM
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Kvothe_1 said:
what in the actual fuck is going on ...

also somebody tell me the release schedule...is it weekly or monthly?(i caught up recently)

it's weekly ig (character limit)
Sep 17, 2023 7:20 PM

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Was expecting a twist but wasn't expecting THAT twist! At least not right at this moment. The dad is definitely up to something and Sota seems like he could be aware he's in the dream. Interesting imo because some terrible secret is about to come out as a result of this.

I see some people out there grumbling about the chapter and I wonder why? I'm excited to get back into the plot twist aspect of this and the central device is definitely the hospital awakening.
@eightdollarwater in case you didn't know the opinion outside of MAL, absolutely, nobody, likes taizan's "it was a dream" twist, bc that's a textbook example of bad writing due to any plot hole can be flex taped.

this is legit the only place I can find that would have people not thinking of the glaring flaws.
Sep 17, 2023 7:31 PM

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BunnyBaronBarma said:
@eightdollarwater in case you didn't know the opinion outside of MAL, absolutely, nobody, likes taizan's "it was a dream" twist, bc that's a textbook example of bad writing due to any plot hole can be flex taped.

this is legit the only place I can find that would have people not thinking of the glaring flaws.

You may be surprised I'd say this, but I *know* that "it was a dream" is bad writing in any typical writing scenario where it is truly a left-field event.

But this manga uses dreams as a manifested story device. The entire thing revolves around reality vs. a forced, mysterious dream. Waking from dreams and falling back into them is the revolving mystery element itself, and they always lead to something intentional.

I don't think this manga is above criticism by any means. No manga is. But this is definitely not a case where that specific criticism is warranted, because "it was a dream" is an occurrence we *should* expect as possible in a manga where that is the exact point.

I'm aware of what people outside of MAL say, I follow this manga in other places too. Some people have good criticisms but to be fair, some criticisms are also trash.
eightdollarwaterSep 17, 2023 7:35 PM
Sep 17, 2023 9:15 PM

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BunnyBaronBarma said:
@eightdollarwater in case you didn't know the opinion outside of MAL, absolutely, nobody, likes taizan's "it was a dream" twist, bc that's a textbook example of bad writing due to any plot hole can be flex taped.

this is legit the only place I can find that would have people not thinking of the glaring flaws.

You may be surprised I'd say this, but I *know* that "it was a dream" is bad writing in any typical writing scenario where it is truly a left-field event.

But this manga uses dreams as a manifested story device. The entire thing revolves around reality vs. a forced, mysterious dream. Waking from dreams and falling back into them is the revolving mystery element itself, and they always lead to something intentional.

I don't think this manga is above criticism by any means. No manga is. But this is definitely not a case where that specific criticism is warranted, because "it was a dream" is an occurrence we *should* expect as possible in a manga where that is the exact point.

I'm aware of what people outside of MAL say, I follow this manga in other places too. Some people have good criticisms but to be fair, some criticisms are also trash.
@eightdollarwater
the reason why dream here just doesn't work is because...it's not a manifest story device. even if it was it's only creating opposite effect. whatever we learn ends up being a dream means that piece of information is practically nullified. lets look back to the family part. what exactly was grandpa and grandma as a person? one is alzheimer, one is wishing to be with her husband. what was the beef between mother and father? father was cheating on her...alright you get my point, so that's everyone we know. oh wait nvm, tis was all a dream. and the next thing we know, so many things end up being different. even when things were developed, it was pretty much meaningless. and this happened like 4 times.

the whole nature of rendering and expecting it to be a dream only means the development doesn't mean jack shit. heck even now I would ask: "what was the point of the fake family arc?" was anything revealed? what did we get out of souta in that one? in my eyes, nothing. if the next thing we know got nothing to do with what was just developed, it's only proving my point. oh but unfortunately it already did every time there was a dream loop.

what I'm saying is that it's both predictable and unpredictable in a really really bad way.
Sep 18, 2023 1:53 AM

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Well, I surely didn’t expect the dad to be the culprit here. We’re back to square one! lol
Sep 18, 2023 5:34 AM

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what in the actual fuck is going on ...

also somebody tell me the release schedule...is it weekly or monthly?(i caught up recently)

it's weekly ig (character limit)
@Prima_Facie okk 👍👍
Sep 18, 2023 4:22 PM

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@eightdollarwater
the reason why dream here just doesn't work is because...it's not a manifest story device. even if it was it's only creating opposite effect. whatever we learn ends up being a dream means that piece of information is practically nullified. lets look back to the family part. what exactly was grandpa and grandma as a person? one is alzheimer, one is wishing to be with her husband. what was the beef between mother and father? father was cheating on her...alright you get my point, so that's everyone we know. oh wait nvm, tis was all a dream. and the next thing we know, so many things end up being different. even when things were developed, it was pretty much meaningless. and this happened like 4 times.

the whole nature of rendering and expecting it to be a dream only means the development doesn't mean jack shit. heck even now I would ask: "what was the point of the fake family arc?" was anything revealed? what did we get out of souta in that one? in my eyes, nothing. if the next thing we know got nothing to do with what was just developed, it's only proving my point. oh but unfortunately it already did every time there was a dream loop.

what I'm saying is that it's both predictable and unpredictable in a really really bad way.
@BunnyBaronBarma

I only agree with your "if it was it's only creating opposite effect" because coma in this story is "manifest story device" but story itself is just confusing. And you have every right not to like it.

And Yes, Tsubasa was dreaming about all of those stuff but all those stuff really happened before car "accident", outside of Shiori having adult boyfriend (it was "her" manifestation from real life) and Grandma killing Tsubasa in a dream (it was happening in the same time).
Technically we are only missing Father's pow of this story and his motivation/characterization (I have theories) and since he was the one who drugged them this time I guess we should learn it in this arc.


As of "fake family arc" main message is that you can't create fake family and pretend that bad stuff does not happen also this arc ended technically in this chapter (or you could say in previous), it just didn't had time to affect main story outside of bringing Sota back home.
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- Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.82/? - biweekly)
- Monochrome Days (Ch.11/? - biweekly)
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Sep 18, 2023 6:45 PM

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@BunnyBaronBarma

I only agree with your "if it was it's only creating opposite effect" because coma in this story is "manifest story device" but story itself is just confusing. And you have every right not to like it.

And Yes, Tsubasa was dreaming about all of those stuff but all those stuff really happened before car "accident", outside of Shiori having adult boyfriend (it was "her" manifestation from real life) and Grandma killing Tsubasa in a dream (it was happening in the same time).
Technically we are only missing Father's pow of this story and his motivation/characterization (I have theories) and since he was the one who drugged them this time I guess we should learn it in this arc.


As of "fake family arc" main message is that you can't create fake family and pretend that bad stuff does not happen also this arc ended technically in this chapter (or you could say in previous), it just didn't had time to affect main story outside of bringing Sota back home.
@Nieznajomy43 I can honestly say "how can you be sure" to all things you said. who's to say the car accident wasn't a dream? do we know for sure why everyone was hospitalized on first place? this is what happens when every layer is Inception except there's no indication on where you are.

"Grandma killing Tsubasa in a dream (it was happening in the same time)" this makes zero sense. same time in where? real world? where do you see that? why kill tsubasa? what makes you so sure your interpretation is right? too many things to bite here sir.
Sep 19, 2023 5:08 AM

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@Nieznajomy43 I can honestly say "how can you be sure" to all things you said. who's to say the car accident wasn't a dream? do we know for sure why everyone was hospitalized on first place? this is what happens when every layer is Inception except there's no indication on where you are.

"Grandma killing Tsubasa in a dream (it was happening in the same time)" this makes zero sense. same time in where? real world? where do you see that? why kill tsubasa? what makes you so sure your interpretation is right? too many things to bite here sir.
@BunnyBaronBarma

As of now, story strongly indicate that car accident really happened.


And about Grandma killing Tsubasa, ngl I could have explained it better but I was talking about chapter 21 in which Grandma pushed Tsubasa off a cliff "killing him" and resetting loop. It wasn't a thing that happened in the past but something she did "now" in a dream after remembering that Grandpa is unconscious in real life.
Manga recommendation:
- Spy x Family (Ch.109/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.196/? - weekly)
- MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.113/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.18/? - biweekly)
- Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.82/? - biweekly)
- Monochrome Days (Ch.11/? - biweekly)
Anime recommendation:
- Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished)
- If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished)
- Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished)
Sep 19, 2023 4:40 PM
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Yeah saw that coming a mile away. Also knew it cause sus sweet tea
Sep 20, 2023 3:06 PM

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WHAT IS HAPPENING
Sep 26, 2023 4:16 AM
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Now I understand why Shiori was such a bitch
Feb 28, 2024 1:56 PM

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This tea must be made from some very strange herb...
Mar 18, 2024 3:38 AM

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Tsubasa’s really out here having dreams within dreams and comas within comas. Isn’t this like the 6th one now?

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