The Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki - Northern War Episode 11 Discussion

Secret333 said:
Well, after 2 episodes of relatively small amounts of stupidity, we're greeted with this episode.

The idea that heroes are cursed and that's why North Ambria is in crisis was so fucking ridiculous. I'm glad both characters abandon it immediately. It still made me go "Wut" while they were talking about it.

Now we get Cameos from Lloyd, Rixia, Joshua and Estelle for no reason, except it's even worse. They're helping North Ambrian refugees at the port city of Ruan. And Estelle tells them they don't have to fear the archaisms, and they then talk about how they lost their homes because Rogan callled for a defence of the city. So these people made it from Haliask in the north to Liberl in the south, across the empire, or around it by sea, within such a short time after Rogan declared their response to the invasion? Why are they there instead of Remiferia? Oh right it's because we want Estelle and Joshua in this show. Fucking fanservice that's cheaper than ecchi.

The next scene is where archaisms  attack innocent civilians while Lavi is there and of course she saves people while tied up using one foot by stepping on the gas pedal which somehow makes the driver swerve in the way of the attack and tips the vehicle over. Nobody in that vehicle was wearing a seatbelt and they're all fine. We then cut to them talking outside and I have to assume they destroyed the archiasims that attacked them because they're just chilling now. Next a big archaism shows up and Lavi does some cool things and stop it and save everyone. Isn't she amazing, guys?

The next bit of dialogue is so painful. The guy she saved asks her angrily why she saved him even though he burned her village so she could tell him how heroic and virtuous she is. She doesn't care who she saves, she saves them all. And then they're like "Ok. Let's stop fighting between ourselves" and put their hands together. Fucking kill me. What a garbage dialogue.

They find some water that's poisonous and kills you within a few seconds. Luckily Lavi and Iseria don't drink any of it. Luckily it kills people so fast. So RIP nameless Northern jaegers who's contribution to the story is to be comicaly evil and make the protagonist look heroic, you will be missed.

Jaina is mind controlling people in some weird torture chamber. Hey look! it's Talion, that great character we all know and miss lol. So his actions after fighting Lavi in episode 7 weren't his? So much for any developement you could give him. I could be wrong and he's not mind controlled but that's how it looked to me. Also, I've been hoping and praying that this show doesn't make Jaina's motivation simply that she enjoys fucking shit up since episode 1 but it seems like that's what we're getting. Great. What a memorable villain.

Lavi talks to Rogan. I gotta praise Rogan's VA. Rogan at least has something compelling about him. You can tell how much the burden of responsibility weighs on him and that's relayed well in the performance of the VA. Probably my favorite character here just for this small thing.

Lavi, on the other hand, fucking sucks. She tells Rogan that he can't win against the empire at the beginning. Spouts some shit about how everyone has heroism and we should rely one them instead. And everyone hears this so they all get inspired and start walking towards the palace. I guess the archiasms aren't doing anything to them? Hey did she just announce to everyone that they can't win against the empire? And to end her speech, she tells Rogan that they can all defend North Ambria. Ok, so can we win or not, Lavi? Cause you're giving me mixed signals here.
Also, the conversation lasts almost 3 minutes and nobody guarding the palace goes in to tell Rogan that it's being broadcasted to everyone in Haliask? Is everyone on it? because the jaegers who followed Lavi from outside are all dead, so who convinced them to let her do all that?
Also, if Lavi knows that the archiasms are not in Rogan's control, how does she expect him to remove the blockade of archiasms outside of Haliask?

"I'll go stop her" Lavi says, as she almost steps out of the room. I guess where to find Jaina is just public knowledge now...

And SUDDENLY, VALIMAR SHOWS UP! lmao. This anime just can't stop depicting events we know in a stupid way, can it? We know Rean was involved and we know he, Altina, and the Bracer guild were helping evacuate the civilians because the archiasms were out of control. What we didn't apparently know, is that Rean flies into the middle of Haliask, ALONE, while people were celebrating, while they weren't being attacked, In the middle of the North Ambrian army, in the middle of all the archiasms, And a gust of wind from his sword somehow disables them.
And to top it all off, Lavi just says "get out here" And he just does. WTF are you doing? There are tons of soldiers here and you just came out of the shell that would protect you from their gunfire. You shouldn't even be here, let alone be here outside of Valimar. And then Lavi just decides to fight him. Great. Fucking genius. An icon of the empire shows up, doesn't immediately kill everyone even though he can, disables the archiasms that you yourself think are a danger to the civilians, seems pretty chill and open to talking to you. And your first thought is "I'll fight him". Way to give the empire more reason to invade, you fucking potato. I wouldn't be surprised if they make her defeat rean because she's just so fucking awesome.

Why. Just why. Just fucking why is my question to all the decisions the writers made in this fucking anime. It's so fucking shit.

Secret333 said:
Well, after 2 episodes of relatively small amounts of stupidity, we're greeted with this episode.
The idea that heroes are cursed and that's why North Ambria is in crisis was so fucking ridiculous. I'm glad both characters abandon it immediately. It still made me go "Wut" while they were talking about it.
Now we get Cameos from Lloyd, Rixia, Joshua and Estelle for no reason, except it's even worse. They're helping North Ambrian refugees at the port city of Ruan. And Estelle tells them they don't have to fear the archaisms, and they then talk about how they lost their homes because Rogan callled for a defence of the city. So these people made it from Haliask in the north to Liberl in the south, across the empire, or around it by sea, within such a short time after Rogan declared their response to the invasion? Why are they there instead of Remiferia? Oh right it's because we want Estelle and Joshua in this show. Fucking fanservice that's cheaper than ecchi.
The next scene is where archaisms  attack innocent civilians while Lavi is there and of course she saves people while tied up using one foot by stepping on the gas pedal which somehow makes the driver swerve in the way of the attack and tips the vehicle over. Nobody in that vehicle was wearing a seatbelt and they're all fine. We then cut to them talking outside and I have to assume they destroyed the archiasims that attacked them because they're just chilling now. Next a big archaism shows up and Lavi does some cool things and stop it and save everyone. Isn't she amazing, guys?
The next bit of dialogue is so painful. The guy she saved asks her angrily why she saved him even though he burned her village so she could tell him how heroic and virtuous she is. She doesn't care who she saves, she saves them all. And then they're like "Ok. Let's stop fighting between ourselves" and put their hands together. Fucking kill me. What a garbage dialogue.
They find some water that's poisonous and kills you within a few seconds. Luckily Lavi and Iseria don't drink any of it. Luckily it kills people so fast. So RIP nameless Northern jaegers who's contribution to the story is to be comicaly evil and make the protagonist look heroic, you will be missed.
Jaina is mind controlling people in some weird torture chamber. Hey look! it's Talion, that great character we all know and miss lol. So his actions after fighting Lavi in episode 7 weren't his? So much for any developement you could give him. I could be wrong and he's not mind controlled but that's how it looked to me. Also, I've been hoping and praying that this show doesn't make Jaina's motivation simply that she enjoys fucking shit up since episode 1 but it seems like that's what we're getting. Great. What a memorable villain.
Lavi talks to Rogan. I gotta praise Rogan's VA. Rogan at least has something compelling about him. You can tell how much the burden of responsibility weighs on him and that's relayed well in the performance of the VA. Probably my favorite character here just for this small thing.
Lavi, on the other hand, fucking sucks. She tells Rogan that he can't win against the empire at the beginning. Spouts some shit about how everyone has heroism and we should rely one them instead. And everyone hears this so they all get inspired and start walking towards the palace. I guess the archiasms aren't doing anything to them? Hey did she just announce to everyone that they can't win against the empire? And to end her speech, she tells Rogan that they can all defend North Ambria. Ok, so can we win or not, Lavi? Cause you're giving me mixed signals here.
Also, the conversation lasts almost 3 minutes and nobody guarding the palace goes in to tell Rogan that it's being broadcasted to everyone in Haliask? Is everyone on it? because the jaegers who followed Lavi from outside are all dead, so who convinced them to let her do all that?
Also, if Lavi knows that the archiasms are not in Rogan's control, how does she expect him to remove the blockade of archiasms outside of Haliask?
"I'll go stop her" Lavi says, as she almost steps out of the room. I guess where to find Jaina is just public knowledge now...
And SUDDENLY, VALIMAR SHOWS UP! lmao. This anime just can't stop depicting events we know in a stupid way, can it? We know Rean was involved and we know he, Altina, and the Bracer guild were helping evacuate the civilians because the archiasms were out of control. What we didn't apparently know, is that Rean flies into the middle of Haliask, ALONE, while people were celebrating, while they weren't being attacked, In the middle of the North Ambrian army, in the middle of all the archiasms, And a gust of wind from his sword somehow disables them.
And to top it all off, Lavi just says "get out here" And he just does. WTF are you doing? There are tons of soldiers here and you just came out of the shell that would protect you from their gunfire. You shouldn't even be here, let alone be here outside of Valimar. And then Lavi just decides to fight him. Great. Fucking genius. An icon of the empire shows up, doesn't immediately kill everyone even though he can, disables the archiasms that you yourself think are a danger to the civilians, seems pretty chill and open to talking to you. And your first thought is "I'll fight him". Way to give the empire more reason to invade, you fucking potato. I wouldn't be surprised if they make her defeat rean because she's just so fucking awesome.
Why. Just why. Just fucking why is my question to all the decisions the writers made in this fucking anime. It's so fucking shit.

katsu044 said:
this amount of essaying goes beyond the levels of hate
final line from Lavi was funny 
"Rean we need to talk" with my fucking blades

Secret333 said:
Well, after 2 episodes of relatively small amounts of stupidity, we're greeted with this episode.

The idea that heroes are cursed and that's why North Ambria is in crisis was so fucking ridiculous. I'm glad both characters abandon it immediately. It still made me go "Wut" while they were talking about it.

Now we get Cameos from Lloyd, Rixia, Joshua and Estelle for no reason, except it's even worse. They're helping North Ambrian refugees at the port city of Ruan. And Estelle tells them they don't have to fear the archaisms, and they then talk about how they lost their homes because Rogan callled for a defence of the city. So these people made it from Haliask in the north to Liberl in the south, across the empire, or around it by sea, within such a short time after Rogan declared their response to the invasion? Why are they there instead of Remiferia? Oh right it's because we want Estelle and Joshua in this show. Fucking fanservice that's cheaper than ecchi.

The next scene is where archaisms  attack innocent civilians while Lavi is there and of course she saves people while tied up using one foot by stepping on the gas pedal which somehow makes the driver swerve in the way of the attack and tips the vehicle over. Nobody in that vehicle was wearing a seatbelt and they're all fine. We then cut to them talking outside and I have to assume they destroyed the archiasims that attacked them because they're just chilling now. Next a big archaism shows up and Lavi does some cool things and stop it and save everyone. Isn't she amazing, guys?

The next bit of dialogue is so painful. The guy she saved asks her angrily why she saved him even though he burned her village so she could tell him how heroic and virtuous she is. She doesn't care who she saves, she saves them all. And then they're like "Ok. Let's stop fighting between ourselves" and put their hands together. Fucking kill me. What a garbage dialogue.

They find some water that's poisonous and kills you within a few seconds. Luckily Lavi and Iseria don't drink any of it. Luckily it kills people so fast. So RIP nameless Northern jaegers who's contribution to the story is to be comicaly evil and make the protagonist look heroic, you will be missed.

Jaina is mind controlling people in some weird torture chamber. Hey look! it's Talion, that great character we all know and miss lol. So his actions after fighting Lavi in episode 7 weren't his? So much for any developement you could give him. I could be wrong and he's not mind controlled but that's how it looked to me. Also, I've been hoping and praying that this show doesn't make Jaina's motivation simply that she enjoys fucking shit up since episode 1 but it seems like that's what we're getting. Great. What a memorable villain.

Lavi talks to Rogan. I gotta praise Rogan's VA. Rogan at least has something compelling about him. You can tell how much the burden of responsibility weighs on him and that's relayed well in the performance of the VA. Probably my favorite character here just for this small thing.

Lavi, on the other hand, fucking sucks. She tells Rogan that he can't win against the empire at the beginning. Spouts some shit about how everyone has heroism and we should rely one them instead. And everyone hears this so they all get inspired and start walking towards the palace. I guess the archiasms aren't doing anything to them? Hey did she just announce to everyone that they can't win against the empire? And to end her speech, she tells Rogan that they can all defend North Ambria. Ok, so can we win or not, Lavi? Cause you're giving me mixed signals here.
Also, the conversation lasts almost 3 minutes and nobody guarding the palace goes in to tell Rogan that it's being broadcasted to everyone in Haliask? Is everyone on it? because the jaegers who followed Lavi from outside are all dead, so who convinced them to let her do all that?
Also, if Lavi knows that the archiasms are not in Rogan's control, how does she expect him to remove the blockade of archiasms outside of Haliask?

"I'll go stop her" Lavi says, as she almost steps out of the room. I guess where to find Jaina is just public knowledge now...

And SUDDENLY, VALIMAR SHOWS UP! lmao. This anime just can't stop depicting events we know in a stupid way, can it? We know Rean was involved and we know he, Altina, and the Bracer guild were helping evacuate the civilians because the archiasms were out of control. What we didn't apparently know, is that Rean flies into the middle of Haliask, ALONE, while people were celebrating, while they weren't being attacked, In the middle of the North Ambrian army, in the middle of all the archiasms, And a gust of wind from his sword somehow disables them.
And to top it all off, Lavi just says "get out here" And he just does. WTF are you doing? There are tons of soldiers here and you just came out of the shell that would protect you from their gunfire. You shouldn't even be here, let alone be here outside of Valimar. And then Lavi just decides to fight him. Great. Fucking genius. An icon of the empire shows up, doesn't immediately kill everyone even though he can, disables the archiasms that you yourself think are a danger to the civilians, seems pretty chill and open to talking to you. And your first thought is "I'll fight him". Way to give the empire more reason to invade, you fucking potato. I wouldn't be surprised if they make her defeat rean because she's just so fucking awesome.

Why. Just why. Just fucking why is my question to all the decisions the writers made in this fucking anime. It's so fucking shit.