Is the Male MC the problem?

Jun 23, 2022 5:14 PM

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Funny enough, Izumi is one of the most detailed characters in this show. He’s still really uninteresting though. This may be the anime with the most bland and generic characters that I’ve seen. ZERO character depth. Terrible

Jun 24, 2022 6:04 AM

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He most certainly is. It's not a coincidence that ep 9 is the best episode so far simply due to the fact that Izumi barely appeared. This show has strong side characters and would've thrived simply on Kamiya making friends or Hachimitsu being a ball of chaos around Shikimori.

Jun 25, 2022 7:14 AM

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JackRyder said:
Most MC of harem anime are pretty wimpy and pathetic but this guy just takes the cake. Far too effeminate.

The tomboy character is a standard trope but I think the role reversal is too much.

He also has no redeeming qualities.

i dont know man, u were mistaken a romance to a harem, what harem here?
And, the he got the opposite of what is called dream luck, not a weak, girly guy, ok?

Jun 25, 2022 7:14 AM

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memexxpert_ said:
Only problem I got with him is the unfunny bad luck he has.

100,000,000% agree

Jun 25, 2022 7:16 AM

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shash_king18 said:
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Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

(Only responding to the extra opinion)

She is, u just havent seen the anime trending page

Jun 25, 2022 7:20 AM

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NothingnessNTGS said:

shash_king18 said:
(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

Never trust the anime community whether they say it's a “masterpiece” or “best” or “worst anime of all time”. That anime will not be like the community say... So lesson learned to never trust them to whether how good or bad this anime is...

Yeah... Maybe people say it should be 1,4/10 and when u actully watch it, then u could see it as the best anime u have ever watch... People say what they want to, what matters is that how you feel

Jun 25, 2022 11:01 AM

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sta_ultraantispy said:

shash_king18 said:
(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

(Only responding to the extra opinion)

She is, u just havent seen the anime trending page

Sorry but 6 out of 10 watchers claim that Hachimitsu carries this show from shadow (which I agree upto some extent)

My favourite girl from this series is Kamiya Senpai tho

Jun 25, 2022 1:47 PM

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WigoSas said:
Nah the events and the way they play out are the problem
Especially in the start, everything was set up to make shikimori look cute and cool, but without giving the audience a reason to be interested in her
And tbh the problem is shikimori for me, she's practically a very jealous mary sue

I thought I was the only one...

At first I didn't have a problem with Shikimori herself, but she's actually such an annoying Mary Sue the more I think about it. She hardly has any flaws so far that the anime has depicted. This doesn't actually help the character. All it does it make them seem far too unrealistic.

Jun 25, 2022 9:45 PM

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Hachimitsu and Kamiya are not just cuties, you know!

Jun 26, 2022 12:28 AM

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Nope not anymore. It's become pretty normal after first few episodes, in recent episodes he acts like any other male MC for the most part. I'm not annoyed by him anymore.

Jun 26, 2022 3:19 AM

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I don't have a problem with Izumi. The only thing that irks me about him is that his voice is annoying. But his trope of bad luck always turning into good luck cause of his friends got old quick. It's not done creatively or humorously like Lucky Man. It's just boring. But when the show focuses on the side characters and their friendship it feels very good to watch. His interactions with his girlfriend aren't bad but it feels like there's no next level for that relationship to go to. Or at least I don't see it. Which makes it feel repetitive.

⭐𝘜𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘪 𝘠𝘢𝘵𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘢⭐

Jun 26, 2022 3:46 AM

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JackRyder said:
Most MC of harem anime are pretty wimpy and pathetic but this guy just takes the cake. Far too effeminate.

The tomboy character is a standard trope but I think the role reversal is too much.

He also has no redeeming qualities.

I agree on those things. I mean he could be wimpy and pathetic and at least try to find something amusing about that..but they couldn't pull it off, he's just too bland. The bad luck thing aside, I mean the guy really has no personality. Maybe it's the writing or how he's presented in the anime. He comes off as those guys that are at just one speed all the time, never angry or sad, just the same bland person with little to no personality. They could've made this so much more interesting if he some how blew up about his bad luck. Trying all kinds of crazy s***, etc...but this is more of "romcom" and they tend to fall in this category where they can't go out to certain bounds....oh well. Shikimori...that's another story, honestly the best character so far is Kamiya. She just seems more real to me. So far, imho, this show is a disappointment..I've already watched 10 eps so...what the heck.

Jun 26, 2022 8:40 AM

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I wouldn't say the protagonist himself is the problem. The defects that I see as most expressive in Shikimori-san would be, above all, two.

The first is that Shikimori-san tries to invert a common mechanic whose problem lies in the essence rather than the roles played by the genre. It is very common, especially in those more traditional Shoujo manga plots, to have relationships portrayed as the "knight" and the "maiden". Relationships in which the man plays the protective and active role, while the girl is more passive and feminine. This ideal of relationship also exists a lot in real life, mainly due to cultural factors and in more traditional societies. Personally, I don't believe that his presence is, in itself, a problem, since there are works that do this structure well (Bastard, the Manhwa, is an example that I would put here). Shikimori-san reverses this mechanic, creating a relationship where the woman plays the overprotective, masculine, active role, while Izumi is the passive, feminine protagonist that the audience calls "Beta". Other works have already done this at other times, but the problem with this type of relationship is the fact that it tends to be quite one-sided. Both relationships work with a giver and a taker, and even though there are times when Izumi is important to Shikimori, it feels disproportionate. In Bastard, for example, this does not happen, since, although portrayed as "charming", "feminine" and "innocent", the main heroine takes significant attitudes of independence (such as her attempt to work in that place) and has actions that help Jin Seon deal with his miserable situation (like when she comes to his rescue after being beaten up at school). A relationship in which both sides care for and "protect" each other is usually more interesting to the audience. Not to mention the way the work treats Izumi makes it seem like he's a tool to elevate Shikimori as Waifu. So I think the issue here is not the protagonist, but the disparity between the couple. Shikimori is portrayed almost flawless, with the exception of a few such as her difficulty in cooking (which I believe the author put in the work to reinforce the issue of female man vs male woman).

Despite these problems, I don't really understand the disapproval that this work has gained in the community. I mean, I see negative points, but overall it's just a regular school Rom-Com SoL work. Maybe it's because I'm not a fan of those genres, so I never see anything special in the vast majority of works featuring them. Doga Kobo anime and this kind of work are always 5~4/10 for me, so that's probably the reason I don't understand precisely the drop in grade.

MaranderJun 26, 2022 8:48 AM

Jun 26, 2022 10:14 AM

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it's like watching a mother look after a toddler most of the time Izumi just doesn't have anything going for him other than he's very very nice.

Jun 27, 2022 2:13 AM

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Bredan said:

MK17_2 said:
I like the role reversal. The concept of it is refreshing. Like come on aren't people bored with female characters looking like busty, incompetent, airheaded sex dolls ?

Enough with that BS depiction of female leads/characters in general. I'm going off the point but jeez write a better story if you want views.

The show is cringe at times. But I don't think there's so much reason to hate. Know what I mean?

What bullshit are you saying, seriously ? Of course, there's plethora of great guy MC and another handful of ikemen coming straight from the 199x-200x shoujo mangas...

But are you blind ? The current major tendency, and it has lasted a lot already, is clearly in the Mary Sue main female lead... almost everywhere, as soon as the demographic targeted is guys.

"The mediocre MC guy meets the best at athletic and academics MFL"..

"The plain MC guy that has nothing going on in his life discovers XXX passion from the MFL and decides to spend his life supporting her dream"

"The otaku MC guy discovers that the ojousama of the school likes video games and, despite him being otaku (and nothing else) and her already being a kendo champion, being 1st national at academics, mounting a horse and being good at cooking, can even beat the fuutsu MC at his sole point of definition : video games"

"The ugly MC guy is kind but feel depressed and tries to suicide... to be in extremis saved by a sword wielder FML that is top swordmaster"

I guess I'm dreaming, seeing this type of comment in 2022.

Well, I shouldn't be surprised : after all, we live a period where a majority are losers that would prefer another loser like Ishigami because, well, they can relate. Of course producers would give them what they want.

Wow you sound like such a hateful person try not to choke on your own toxicity

I'd rather die a free man then live under the rules of idiots

Jun 27, 2022 4:32 AM

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shash_king18 said:
(with reference to above replies)

Lmao first of all few people & manga readers create stupid hype around this show that Shikimori is going to compete with Marin Kitagawa~ & the story will also compete with Dress Up Darling which was later exposed to be an average romcom with a too much perfect female protagonist & a lame MC

And now they are saying "dRoP iT iF yOu DoN't lIkE iT", so what was the point of creating hype!? The people who created hype for this show already dug graves for Shikimori.

(with reference to question)
The MC is not the problem, the hype surrounding this show before it actually started airing was a main problem for me. It totally failed according to my expectations even though if the show is pretty decent

(extra opinion)
Shikimori is not even among the top 5 girl of this season

As a manga reader for both Shikimori and Dress up Darling before they were airing (I read very little dress up Darling, less than the anime got to), I agree with your points about the hype. I knew that the show wouldn't be great. It seems that a bunch of the hypers forgot that the start of the manga started out as a bunch of extremely short comical moments. That is really hard to adapt into an anime. The manga doesn't even really get good later into the series where character development and plot progress properly. I was hyped for the show and expected an 8/10 but honestly it's kind of underwhelming and cringy for a lot of scenes. 7/10 for me

Jun 27, 2022 8:08 AM

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My problem with the show isn’t necessarily entirely with the character’s themselves. It’s that the show started AFTER all these people became friends and started dating. To me, it just feels like we’re following the stories of side characters cause anything interesting that might have happened has been revealed in the past. Additionally, this first season hasn’t been keen on doing anything but emphasizing that these people are friends, without showing how they became friends in the first place.

I find this show fairly similar to Komi-San and Aharen from this season, but I feel like those shows show how relationships developed and why we should care about what they’re doing. I think this show does it the worst out of the three.

Aug 9, 2022 1:39 AM

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He's portrayed to be like a cute pet, because that's a girl stereotype in a lot of anime. I admit it is odd to observe such a male protagonist. But it's not that different from a cross-dressing male protagonist. The real issue is he's not actively trying to change his personality, so far. I have only watched 2 episodes, so I'm expecting him staying as he has been since the beginning. It'll take getting used to, but this is what new-generation anime look like.

Jun 21, 2024 3:36 AM

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Yes he's my fkin problem. He's the shittest MC I've ever seen

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