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Jun 5, 2022 9:42 PM
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Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.
Jun 5, 2022 9:50 PM
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Part 2 is objectively better and everyone seems to love it, give it a try
Jun 5, 2022 9:53 PM
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Icetype said:
Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.




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Jun 5, 2022 9:54 PM
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Its pretty different, increased world-building and action scenes. The “situation” of the characters is completely changed from part 1. Also, the ending is absolutely amazing.

Tbh, I loved part 1 too though and thought Part2 was even better. I would give it a go and see for yourself if you’re up to it.
Jun 5, 2022 9:56 PM
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Icetype said:
Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.

It depends on what you didn't like about first 11 episodes
Jun 5, 2022 9:56 PM
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part 2 was a lot better
Jun 5, 2022 10:00 PM
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Part 2 is pretty different and a lot of people say it’s better.

I personally think part 1 which is an adaptation of vol. 1 is the best of the series.
But the ending of part 2 is specially good.
Jun 5, 2022 10:05 PM
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LordSozin said:
Icetype said:
Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.
axtrast said:
Icetype said:
Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.

It depends on what you didn't like about first 11 episodes


It rarely felt like there was a progressing plot, or things were happening but always very slowly. The only things that really got accomplished was Lena getting closer to the 86 and Shin killing the ghost of his brother. So I'm hoping a lot more happens to be honest.
Jun 5, 2022 10:08 PM
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Icetype said:
LordSozin said:


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.
axtrast said:

It depends on what you didn't like about first 11 episodes


It rarely felt like there was a progressing plot, or things were happening but always very slowly. The only things that really got accomplished was Lena getting closer to the 86 and Shin killing the ghost of his brother. So I'm hoping a lot more happens to be honest.


Well then I say you don't continue cause it ain't going to be much of change.




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Jun 5, 2022 10:12 PM
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Icetype said:
LordSozin said:


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.
axtrast said:

It depends on what you didn't like about first 11 episodes


It rarely felt like there was a progressing plot, or things were happening but always very slowly. The only things that really got accomplished was Lena getting closer to the 86 and Shin killing the ghost of his brother. So I'm hoping a lot more happens to be honest.

if u don’t like the slow pacing then part 2 isn’t for you. it might be even slower than the first part.
Jun 5, 2022 10:13 PM
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86 was a 5/10 anime for me. Very well made, a beautiful adaption, but I personally wasn't captivated by it at all and just watched mainly due to the hype.

And then 86 Part 2 comes around and it's a 10/10. Idk how but it just did, it hit hard. It made me want to re-watch part 1 sometime, and undoubtedly give it a higher score than a 5.

I don't want to skew or influence your own expectations too much, because it might ruin it for you if you come in thinking it's the greatest anime of all time. I'm just speaking of my own personal experience here, but I can confidently say that Part 2 was just about as perfect as an anime can get.

We both thought Part 1 was kinda meh, and with that I recommend you give Part 2 a chance. Perhaps you won't end up loving it as much as I did, but I think I can safely bet that you'll like it more than Part 1.

Or maybe I was just severely influenced and entranced by yet another beautiful soundtrack by Sawano. Idk, and idc. I loved it


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Jun 5, 2022 10:24 PM

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70% of part 2 is much slower than part 1,the last 3 eps of part 2 were almost 10/10 though. For me 86 was never meh so I liked it throughout,Ig if you didn't like part 1 it's not just for you and that's okay.
Jun 5, 2022 10:44 PM
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Part 2 is objectively better and everyone seems to love it, give it a try

I thought the first part had more weight to it. Second part was mostly filled with drawn out melodrama imo
Jun 5, 2022 10:47 PM

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It doesn't get better other than the ending for part 2.

Edit: Part 1 was better
Jun 5, 2022 10:56 PM
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LordSozin said:
Icetype said:
Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.

"Presentation of its themes was superficial and cheap"
Can I ask why and how you got this conclusion ?
Jun 5, 2022 10:57 PM

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Icetype said:
LordSozin said:


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.
axtrast said:

It depends on what you didn't like about first 11 episodes


It rarely felt like there was a progressing plot, or things were happening but always very slowly. The only things that really got accomplished was Lena getting closer to the 86 and Shin killing the ghost of his brother. So I'm hoping a lot more happens to be honest.

The second part is even slower, it drags the same conflict through like 8 episodes and ends with le epic fanservice montage so fans can get hyped about intellectual dishonesty and their waifu. So yeah, it is not too different



Jun 5, 2022 11:00 PM

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khalil04uzumaki said:
LordSozin said:


What did you not like or like about it?

For me, I've problems with the characters, presentation of its themes--rather superficial and cheap--and the unanswered questions.

"Presentation of its themes was superficial and cheap"
Can I ask why and how you got this conclusion ?


By watching the show and seeing the preference of focusing on Lena while trying to tackle the theme of oppression, war, and other serious moments of the topics. It doesn't help when moe, blushing, and anime waifu gags inset themselves in.




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LordSozin said:
khalil04uzumaki said:

"Presentation of its themes was superficial and cheap"
Can I ask why and how you got this conclusion ?


By watching the show and seeing the preference of focusing on Lena while trying to tackle the theme of oppression, war, and other serious moments of the topics. It doesn't help when moe, blushing, and anime waifu gags inset themselves in.

Wtf that's a weird angle to look at the story from
You can't say it's superficial because Lena did what any other ordinary person in her comfy situation would do, as you already know she haven't experienced any serious matters in her life same as all the Alba's, so you can't expect her to be otherwise and the whole message and theme of the story is to explore the burdens of war which this show did perfectly
Jun 5, 2022 11:16 PM

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I liked the 1st part better but the 2nd one is good too
Also there's way less focusing on Lena in pt2 which seems to have been annoying for some people who watched pt1
Jun 5, 2022 11:26 PM
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No.... (character limit)
Jun 6, 2022 12:00 AM
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I feel like part 2 was more of less the same quality up until the final 2 episodes. The final 2 episodes were masterpieces imo
Jun 6, 2022 12:09 AM
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part 2 is practically the redemption
Jun 6, 2022 1:55 AM

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While part 1 focused on Lize, part 2 focuses on Shin, who is better character.
It is better.

Jun 6, 2022 2:27 AM
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i had more interest in story in part 2, but characters were still kinda shallow. i think people like 86 cuz of story, not characters, so you most likely will like part 2 more
Jun 6, 2022 2:28 AM
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i wondering the same thing
Jun 6, 2022 2:31 AM
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The problem with 86 eighty six is that it’s adapted from the LN. And there’s the style of Asato Asato (the author) : she develops things step by step (what I personally appreciate a lot) and in the first volume, we focus principally on the development of Lena, thus, the universe of 86 is not that much developed. And the first part of the anime adapts the first volume (the first 9 episodes), that’s why the plot doesn’t seem to progress a lot. And even in LN format, the first volume is the weakest one, precisely for this reason.

BUT the plot gets better and better, including the second part witch focuses on the development of shin. Also, we learn a lot more about the universe. The seconde part is totally different from the the first one, the situation is also different, and we focus on the main problem : the legion.
The rhythm is also faster : the second part adapts the volumes 2 and 3, even a little too fast at times I think, and the ending is ABSOLUTELY amazing.

The topics covered are really interesting and deep, there are a lot of symbolisms (in both the first part and the second part) and details you can miss (I have rewatched the anime and I missed 70% of the details). The story is anything but superficial, there is a lot of interesting things to analyse behind the screen, I assure you.

Last, at the end of the second part, if you watch it, you will definitely understand why Asato focused a lot on Lena, her development is essential for the future.

To sum up, in the first part, she favoured the development of Lena to the universe, witch is weird you are right. But in the second part, we return to the most important thing. The anime adapts the volumes 1,2,3 : this is just the beginning of the story, and to judge the beginning, you really have to have seen the 2 parts.
The second is worth a try.

PS : even the volumes 2,3 are “weak”, but already definitely excellent, compared to the rest. If you like the end of the anime, you should read the LN, beginning right in the volume 4.
Jun 6, 2022 2:33 AM
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i had more interest in story in part 2, but characters were still kinda shallow. i think people like 86 cuz of story, not characters, so you most likely will like part 2 more

The story is wonderful, but the main characters are very well written too (Lena and shin). But yeah, the others are a little less developed.
Jun 6, 2022 2:56 AM
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The story of part 2 is worse than part 1 but the action is better and the last 2 episodes are especially great
Jun 6, 2022 3:52 AM
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I don’t think so personally. They’re are definitely a bit different, but I wouldn’t really say part 2 was much better. I kinda just thought the whole season was quite good.
Jun 6, 2022 4:08 AM
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Part 2 is better especially the last 2 episodes give it a try
Jun 6, 2022 6:10 AM
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Part 2 answers some questions from part 1 if that was your issue. The worldbuilding gets much better as well as the characters development, especially Shinei Nouzen. I really loved part 2 but bare in mind that I also did love part 1. If your issue for you not liking part 1 is simply because you dont find it interesting, at least give it a try. But if your issue comes from unanswered questions and or anything related to the plot, you most definitely should watch part 2.
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Jun 6, 2022 7:24 AM
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Part 1 & Part 2 have very similar plots which people are right about, but the nuances are different. It also shifts focus from Lena's growth to Shin's growth that surrounds one of the series central themes.

In essence, Part 1 climax fuels Part 2 climax.
Jun 6, 2022 7:48 AM

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Part 2 is amazing, very satisfying conclusion too
Jun 6, 2022 10:15 AM
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Part 2 is more complicated but more emotional and has more suspense.
Jun 6, 2022 11:22 AM
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Good I’m not alone in asking this question. Is part 2 just as slow and dumbed down as the first part?
Jun 6, 2022 11:23 AM
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86 was a 5/10 anime for me. Very well made, a beautiful adaption, but I personally wasn't captivated by it at all and just watched mainly due to the hype.

And then 86 Part 2 comes around and it's a 10/10. Idk how but it just did, it hit hard. It made me want to re-watch part 1 sometime, and undoubtedly give it a higher score than a 5.

I don't want to skew or influence your own expectations too much, because it might ruin it for you if you come in thinking it's the greatest anime of all time. I'm just speaking of my own personal experience here, but I can confidently say that Part 2 was just about as perfect as an anime can get.

We both thought Part 1 was kinda meh, and with that I recommend you give Part 2 a chance. Perhaps you won't end up loving it as much as I did, but I think I can safely bet that you'll like it more than Part 1.

Or maybe I was just severely influenced and entranced by yet another beautiful soundtrack by Sawano. Idk, and idc. I loved it

I gave 86 part 1 a 5/10 as well. Do you really think it improved that much? Cause I’ve debated for so long
Jun 6, 2022 11:25 AM
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Both parts are amazing but part 2 is superior
Jun 6, 2022 11:49 AM
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Part two in terms of pretty much everything is better than part 1, and part 1 sets up part 2 pretty well too. When part 2 was still airing and they delayed the last two EP by literally two months and the episodes finally came out they were so well done that it made it worth the wait.
Jun 6, 2022 1:02 PM
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I gave 86 part 1 a 5/10 as well. Do you really think it improved that much? Cause I’ve debated for so long

Honestly I would necessarily say it IMPROVED; from the most objective standpoint you can get, I'd say they're equally as good as each other.

But for me personally, the events themselves that happen in Part 2 just hit so much harder than anything from Part 1.


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Jun 6, 2022 2:12 PM
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Well , I guess not. I mean, as someone said , part 2 is better than part 1, but the plot and main topic of the anime won’t change, so I would say you won’t like it
Jun 6, 2022 2:19 PM
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No…personally i find part 2 super boring - part 1 is way better
Jun 6, 2022 4:27 PM

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The main focus are the characters for the first few volumes. The plot starts progressing at Vol 4, when the anime ends.
Jun 7, 2022 2:31 AM
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i think one thing to note is that, part 1 was just 11 episodes. the light novel is unfinished and i don't think it will for a while! i understand thinking its meh, without a lot of context its easy to be confused. i'd say to watch part 2 only if you want to. the story gets more and more complex as you go through and if part 1 didn't capture you or you feel unsure about it, you can either find out if it gets better for you or just drop it completely. its okay to do that 😊
Jun 7, 2022 2:46 AM
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i think part 1 is better
Jun 7, 2022 9:13 AM
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I liked part 2 better.
Jun 7, 2022 8:40 PM
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Part 2 is way better than part 1. And also the ending isnt sad one.
Jun 9, 2022 8:37 AM
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Piromysl said:
While part 1 focused on Lize, part 2 focuses on Shin, who is better character.
It is better.

I think Part 2 has a better pacing and story that's why people like it more. I actually like Milize because of how nice but twisted she is. But yeah Shin's story is more deep. Milize arc is more on politics and drama while Shin's is action. But the best part of both are the Character development. for me at least. (I guess Im a bit biased because Milize is my type lol) but I love both characters.
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Is part 2 vastly better than the first 11 episodes of 86? I didn't dislike part 1 I just wasn't crazy about it. I'm not really interested in watching more if there isn't anything majorly different or new.

Well it depends on how you may took it because there's alot of new things coming up in part 2. (I don't want to spoil much) and if you look at the ratings, part 2 is higher. it's top 46 on ratings.
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When you watch it for the first time the 2 is better, but when rewatch it you will Realise how good was s1.

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