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Apr 22, 2022 8:58 AM
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Damn, it seems in their age, even kids are trained like soldiers for combat.

Seems this episode serves as another buildup but Akari and Menou knows their roles well now in the story. Orwell also seems like a reasonable person who continuously acts as Menou's higher up. Not as thrilling as the previous episode imo overall though.
Apr 22, 2022 10:13 AM
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The worldbuilding in this show is pretty awesome. I love all those places and landscapes.

Menou's backstory was probably the most interesting thing so far. That training was so brutal.

Pouting Akari was cute, haha. She really wanted to go on a date with Menou.

Aww. <3

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Apr 22, 2022 11:14 AM
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Akari's Pure Concept of Time magic power has both Executioners Menou and Momo debating about her as they make their way to Garm.

This involves Menou's backstory with her Executioner Master Flare and Archbishop Orwell, and her journey with Flare opens her world to see that the Otherworlders have tarnished their world apart with their Pure Concept powers that brings out the 4 Major Human Errors. And so said that Menou wants to be like Flare when she grows up: to be Executioners killing off the Otherworlders being taboo entities to their world. I'm not surprised that Flare's teachings undoubtedly spiralled the innocent girls into oblivion of murder, and Menou taking up the mantle of being Flare's villain successor Flarette, that's what she was born to do.

The trip to Garm and eventually Akari's ceremonial death ritual, Akari is all about the date with Menou while Menou wants to clear this job quick. Orwell keeping her busy with the acquaintance of events of missing young women with Momo's help, while Akari goes all jealous that Menou isn't paying attention to her before she gets home. It's clear that the Noblesse are the ones involved on the train disaster, and make haste on that investigation before all hell breaks loose.

Serafos said:
The worldbuilding in this show is pretty awesome.
For once I agree, this is a different kind of Isekai.
Apr 22, 2022 11:31 AM
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Perhaps they got down to business there in the bedroom, but they cut away before we could ever find out. Oh well

It's still quite a decent watch but it's just lacking that bit of charm to get me truly invested in what otherwise is a rather interesting world.


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Apr 22, 2022 12:06 PM
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Episode like this makes me glad mitsuki isn't the protagonist
Apr 22, 2022 12:12 PM
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I like this episode, mainly because it made me feel like Mitsuki’s death was normal, since the executioners know they are the villains there.

Flare looks regretful
Apr 22, 2022 3:06 PM
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That was cool seeing her backstory.

Its pretty obvious she's not gonna go through with having Akari killed or something will go wrong preventing her from dying.

Ok now I'm getting Akuma no Riddle vibes with an assassin who might go against her order to protect a girl. (Even has one of the main character voices from Akuma no Riddle in here for Momo who played Haru)
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Apr 22, 2022 3:21 PM
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Things are not as they seem...

It feels like Menou is fast approaching a crossroads, will she surpass Flare?

Taboo I know but... how the fuck is this rated under 7

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Apr 22, 2022 3:39 PM
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This is weird, wth is happening to the princess knight? They kinda just forget about her.
Apr 22, 2022 4:03 PM

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some information on Menou's past. She ha s a good teacher.

and Akari getting mad for not having a date. lol

looking forward to next week! :)
Apr 22, 2022 4:39 PM

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It’s so refreshing to have an isekai show that’s not focused on the good guys and with a badass female mc. Absolutely love this show so much, world-building been great too. I really wanna learn more about the original sins and how civilisation fell. Looking forward to seeing how Akari gets out of things next week, too.

People are really missing out on peak fiction here.
Apr 22, 2022 5:04 PM

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Another great episode with Menou's past.

Two girls vying for your attention is bothersome, desu ne, Menou-chan?
The way Menou uttered "Momo..." as Momo crumpled the report is adorable.
I guess my best girl is going to be Momo after all.

Akari no hentai~. Yuri in animation is awesome. ***Excuse my Yuri obsession. Ahem**

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Apr 22, 2022 5:16 PM
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This is weird, wth is happening to the princess knight? They kinda just forget about her.
she's gonna appear again on the next episode where she and momo will meet again
Apr 22, 2022 5:21 PM
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borderliner said:
Things are not as they seem...

It feels like Menou is fast approaching a crossroads, will she surpass Fare?

Taboo I know but... how the fuck is this rated under 7





The statistics show like 3% number 1 scores

Some prob got mad that their generic self insert "mc" got stabbed by a woman, no less. Also yuri
Apr 22, 2022 6:31 PM
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Mebig said:
borderliner said:
Things are not as they seem...

It feels like Menou is fast approaching a crossroads, will she surpass Fare?

Taboo I know but... how the fuck is this rated under 7





The statistics show like 3% number 1 scores

Some prob got mad that their generic self insert "mc" got stabbed by a woman, no less. Also yuri
I definitely believe these are the primary reasons. A lot of the topics complaining about the show accuse Menou of being evil and unlikable, which made me laugh when Flare was giving her speech during training this episode.
Apr 22, 2022 6:36 PM
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Next episode is titled "Goodbye"
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Apr 22, 2022 6:52 PM

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Yuriiiiiiiiiii10 said:
EdgyLord666 said:
This is weird, wth is happening to the princess knight? They kinda just forget about her.
she's gonna appear again on the next episode where she and momo will meet again

That's good, it's just Momo's suddenly in the train even though they are still fighting at the end of 3rd episode and they kinda just went "yeah, I managed to run away".
Apr 22, 2022 7:45 PM
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The flashback was very nice; the Salt Continent and Sword Of Salt were very evocatively drawn.
Apr 22, 2022 8:15 PM
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The flashback is surprisingly great, unlike in the manga.
Judging from the preview, Momo will get a date too, but with the princess instead...
Poor kouhai.
Apr 22, 2022 8:45 PM

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Pretty effective backstory episode, I especially like the emphasis placed on how the executioners (or at least Flare and Menou) see themselves as the villains of this story, especially considering how they have a greater good justification they don't seem to be hiding behind since society as a whole sees them in the same light. Really interested in seeing where they go from here.
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Apr 22, 2022 9:11 PM

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A very nice build up episode. We got to see Menou's past, seeing her training and how she was basically the only one who could go through it by basically not being able to thing emotions tells you something. These isekai people are really broken with their abilities and since they can get out of control no wonder why they want to kill them, the Salt Continent in itself tells you how dangerous they are.

Akari wanted a date with her dear Menou-chan, and seems she will get it, I like their relationship, it is cute. Also, the next episode is obviously not a "goodbye" lol.
Apr 22, 2022 11:15 PM
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Through what Flare said, mean they don't kill because they wanted to save the world, instead just for being evil?

Next episode called "goodbye", Akari will be executioned?
Apr 22, 2022 11:25 PM
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I do love me some nice backstory, although I'm still curious for more details on the other tragedies.

I wonder what's going to go wrong with the plan next episode, because we all know "Akari steps into the chamber and dies" isn't in the cards, unless immediately followed by "and then time resets again".

Interestingly though it does seem like Akari herself doesn't even remember what happened in the reset timelines (not unless she's a much better actress than she appears to be). At least she showed no sign of remembering being stabbed, or presumably being in a train crash. Granted both of those were probably quick deaths, and yet something in her must have been aware enough to want to rewind the whole crash, not just her own death.

But a time rewind power that doesn't let you remember what happened before is both a bit useless and quite horrifying. Imagine getting stuck in an infinite loop of deaths because you don't remember enough to avoid it. Although I guess that's slightly better than remembering but it still being completely unavoidable.
Apr 23, 2022 1:46 AM
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Once the civilization reached its peak with the prosperity, even beyond the skies, because of a rampant use of Otherworlders Pure Concept to the benefit of all people and even until the current time with how the language still being used. But for some reason, there's an error happened destroying all the civilization and all of its prosperity, making Flare and the church fraction took a blame to the Otherworlders as a whole cause of the error...

Interesting back story, and surely a little blanched soul of Menou already being twisted by all those stigma. As the result, there's Menou as an executioner, the successor of Flare.

Arrive at Garm, Akari was so excited to sight-seeing. But Menou assigned for some mysterious job by the Archbishop, making Akari slightly mad to the unfortune she got. But ofc the plot won't let the yuri scene be wasted. Momo once again assigned as a cannon fodder for the happiness of Menou and Akari. As long as i feel bad for the little pink girl with every task she got, its still curious how the plot evolve around with all those information. Will be patience till the next week....
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Apr 23, 2022 3:10 AM

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Ardi8 said:
Through what Flare said, mean they don't kill because they wanted to save the world, instead just for being evil?

Next episode called "goodbye", Akari will be executioned?


yea?

its been established since episode 1, menou admitted that she's a villainess and the boy was just a victim

but
the lost ones must die no matter what

why?

in this episode menou said the she hates em for what they did to her hometown and for the chaos they caused all around the world
Apr 23, 2022 3:11 AM
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Some backstory, quite interesting to watch. Looks like Menou and Akari are getting along fine? But the trial awaits them
Apr 23, 2022 3:46 AM
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Another great episode with Menou's past.

Two girls vying for your attention is bothersome, desu ne, Menou-chan?
The way Menou uttered "Momo..." as Momo crumpled the report is adorable.
I guess my best girl is going to be Momo after all.

Akari no hentai~. Yuri in animation is awesome. ***Excuse my Yuri obsession. Ahem**



Momo is an absolute garbage child. I love her <3
Apr 23, 2022 5:26 AM

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GanguroGal said:
Beauxite said:
Another great episode with Menou's past.

Two girls vying for your attention is bothersome, desu ne, Menou-chan?
The way Menou uttered "Momo..." as Momo crumpled the report is adorable.
I guess my best girl is going to be Momo after all.

Akari no hentai~. Yuri in animation is awesome. ***Excuse my Yuri obsession. Ahem**



Momo is an absolute garbage child. I love her <3


Momo is pure unconditional love !!


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Apr 23, 2022 6:07 AM

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4 episodes in and I'm falling in love with this anime. Great storytelling and world building. Characters are likeable as well. It doesn't deserve the current score though.
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Apr 23, 2022 6:32 AM
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The backstory, while not poor, still didn't really give much as to why the otherworlders apparently all turn into uncontrolled threats and why murdering them is the only option. They showed that the girls don't want to murder like that: which makes sense, and Menou is apparently twisted enough to nullify those emotions. However, I'm still waiting for way, way more information than just this. Faust are still a lunatic cult so far, and admitting that they're the 'villains' doesn't make their case any better. I think this backstory could've been saved for a more fitting moment, rather than just in-between the ride.

I'm a bit confused as to why we had to see that blonde princess on board, other than meeting the main cast. It was a convenient happenstance that wasn't really elaborated on this episode, which I thought was awkward after the fact. Especially now that I think her fight with Momo didn't need to happen, honestly. Even if it's supposed to be beef.

For some reason Menou has to investigate something about missing women. Archbishop asked another perspective on it, but I think it's weird that they're asking someone whose already occupied with another job: handling Akari, which is a pretty important job based on how Faust reacts to Lost Ones. So why aren't they getting another priest to do it? Or several other ones? I mean, I get it that the plot is doing it so that they have stuff to do and they get to be involved, but it seems a bit heavy-handed to me that the only reason is because Menou needs the money for travel. She isn't already getting paid for dealing with two otherworlders?

If Noblesse really is orchestrating something screwed up, I'm starting to question how that faction is still even standing. They seem way too shady for them to be so influential. I hope the coming episodes start delving into these things. Noblesse can't be in the dark for too long, or all of this just seems too over the top.

I say all of this because nothing much has happened so far, but I like some of the worldbuilding it seems to be heading towards. I see some people have complained about the score: but I personally think it's valid up to this point. I'll keep watching.
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Man, this show is really fucking good so far, I'd say it's one of the top tier isekais so far. Also really love the OP, I've been listening to the full version everyday ever since I watched the first episode lmao.

Menou's backstory was really great, I think Flare's cool as hell, but we don't really know her motivations yet and there's definitely more to her. Those eyebags and tears she had has me wondering.

Yay, Akari got her date, she very sneaky though, yeah right "oops my towel dropped," sure sure.

Orwell seemed very sussy at the end there. Really looking forward to the next episode.
Apr 23, 2022 7:09 AM

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This is the best episode yet. But that's a low bar (probably pissed off a few fans saying that cause truth be told I'm not a fan of this series tbh) Well.... At the backstory did develop who Menou became to be what she is now. Also credit where it's due the worldbuilding ain't half bad.

Apr 23, 2022 7:38 AM

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daft_mariner said:
The backstory, while not poor, still didn't really give much as to why the otherworlders apparently all turn into uncontrolled threats and why murdering them is the only option. They showed that the girls don't want to murder like that: which makes sense, and Menou is apparently twisted enough to nullify those emotions. However, I'm still waiting for way, way more information than just this. Faust are still a lunatic cult so far, and admitting that they're the 'villains' doesn't make their case any better. I think this backstory could've been saved for a more fitting moment, rather than just in-between the ride.

I'm a bit confused as to why we had to see that blonde princess on board, other than meeting the main cast. It was a convenient happenstance that wasn't really elaborated on this episode, which I thought was awkward after the fact. Especially now that I think her fight with Momo didn't need to happen, honestly. Even if it's supposed to be beef.

For some reason Menou has to investigate something about missing women. Archbishop asked another perspective on it, but I think it's weird that they're asking someone whose already occupied with another job: handling Akari, which is a pretty important job based on how Faust reacts to Lost Ones. So why aren't they getting another priest to do it? Or several other ones? I mean, I get it that the plot is doing it so that they have stuff to do and they get to be involved, but it seems a bit heavy-handed to me that the only reason is because Menou needs the money for travel. She isn't already getting paid for dealing with two otherworlders?

If Noblesse really is orchestrating something screwed up, I'm starting to question how that faction is still even standing. They seem way too shady for them to be so influential. I hope the coming episodes start delving into these things. Noblesse can't be in the dark for too long, or all of this just seems too over the top.

I say all of this because nothing much has happened so far, but I like some of the worldbuilding it seems to be heading towards. I see some people have complained about the score: but I personally think it's valid up to this point. I'll keep watching.


nobody says killing the lost ones is the only choice tho

the lost ones have been around in that world at least for centuries,
its clearly shown from how advanced the technology and civilization are

and
emanity did try to make a peace with the lost ones at the very least 4 times already.
as its showcased in the flashback they were about to go the space, exploring the galaxy lol
but things gone wrong and it became one of the 4 major human errors (or the lost one errors)
likely millions also died, like what happened to the salt continent

the reason why the princess went to garm along with momo, menou and akari would be revealed myb in the next episode

the princess had all the reasons to attack priestess momo,
his daddy was in trouble cuz he got caught by the faust/church you know?
the princess also mentioned the infamous executioners from the church/faust whi killed the lost ones his daddy summoned might also be on board with em. apparently the church is hiding the fact that they have been killing the lost ones the whole time


actually
the princess really tried to kill momo
but momo was just too strong lol she's even a lot stronger than menou, arguably the 2nd strongest executioner,
the princess then fell in love with momo instead lol
well she said that "she loves strong and beautiful things"

menou is similar to a soldier, one of the church's soldiers.
its shown in the flashbacks that she's not just a regular priestess,
flare once warned her, she was like "are you sure you dont want to be just, a regular priestess?"

lol as a soldier, would you dare to question you superior orders?
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daft_mariner said:
The backstory, while not poor, still didn't really give much as to why the otherworlders apparently all turn into uncontrolled threats and why murdering them is the only option. They showed that the girls don't want to murder like that: which makes sense, and Menou is apparently twisted enough to nullify those emotions. However, I'm still waiting for way, way more information than just this. Faust are still a lunatic cult so far, and admitting that they're the 'villains' doesn't make their case any better. I think this backstory could've been saved for a more fitting moment, rather than just in-between the ride.


I think that literally 4 annihilated and turned into inhabitable continets are already a good excuse why the church doesn't want a potential walking nukes around. It was also stated that more the Lost ones use their powers more it will corrupt their minds or they can accidentely annihilate something like the girl from Menou's past. And since there is no way how to send them back home it's somewhat understandable that this is a ''necessary evil''
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Hmmmmm .... I really want to drop this right now . It's been so uninteresting and annoying to watch especially the characters . but I am curious as to what happens to akari . as in what the twist is going to be .
1 more ep i guess,........
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Lab_Rat_0978 said:
daft_mariner said:
The backstory, while not poor, still didn't really give much as to why the otherworlders apparently all turn into uncontrolled threats and why murdering them is the only option. They showed that the girls don't want to murder like that: which makes sense, and Menou is apparently twisted enough to nullify those emotions. However, I'm still waiting for way, way more information than just this. Faust are still a lunatic cult so far, and admitting that they're the 'villains' doesn't make their case any better. I think this backstory could've been saved for a more fitting moment, rather than just in-between the ride.

I'm a bit confused as to why we had to see that blonde princess on board, other than meeting the main cast. It was a convenient happenstance that wasn't really elaborated on this episode, which I thought was awkward after the fact. Especially now that I think her fight with Momo didn't need to happen, honestly. Even if it's supposed to be beef.

For some reason Menou has to investigate something about missing women. Archbishop asked another perspective on it, but I think it's weird that they're asking someone whose already occupied with another job: handling Akari, which is a pretty important job based on how Faust reacts to Lost Ones. So why aren't they getting another priest to do it? Or several other ones? I mean, I get it that the plot is doing it so that they have stuff to do and they get to be involved, but it seems a bit heavy-handed to me that the only reason is because Menou needs the money for travel. She isn't already getting paid for dealing with two otherworlders?

If Noblesse really is orchestrating something screwed up, I'm starting to question how that faction is still even standing. They seem way too shady for them to be so influential. I hope the coming episodes start delving into these things. Noblesse can't be in the dark for too long, or all of this just seems too over the top.

I say all of this because nothing much has happened so far, but I like some of the worldbuilding it seems to be heading towards. I see some people have complained about the score: but I personally think it's valid up to this point. I'll keep watching.


nobody says killing the lost ones is the only choice tho

the lost ones have been around in that world at least for centuries,
its clearly shown from how advanced the technology and civilization are

and
emanity did try to make a peace with the lost ones at the very least 4 times already.
as its showcased in the flashback they were about to go the space, exploring the galaxy lol
but things gone wrong and it became one of the 4 major human errors (or the lost one errors)
likely millions also died, like what happened to the salt continent

the reason why the princess went to garm along with momo, menou and akari would be revealed myb in the next episode

the princess had all the reasons to attack priestess momo,
his daddy was in trouble cuz he got caught by the faust/church you know?
the princess also mentioned the infamous executioners from the church/faust whi killed the lost ones his daddy summoned might also be on board with em. apparently the church is hiding the fact that they have been killing the lost ones the whole time


actually
the princess really tried to kill momo
but momo was just too strong lol she's even a lot stronger than menou, arguably the 2nd strongest executioner,
the princess then fell in love with momo instead lol
well she said that "she loves strong and beautiful things"

menou is similar to a soldier, one of the church's soldiers.
its shown in the flashbacks that she's not just a regular priestess,
flare once warned her, she was like "are you sure you dont want to be just, a regular priestess?"

lol as a soldier, would you dare to question you superior orders?
Yet, Flare told the children to think only about killing them. ''Kill! Kill! Kill!'' and even branded them as the villains. Their occupation are 'executioners' as well. It's in the name. Sounds like they don't want an alternative to me.

And no, the princess didn't need to fight Momo. The train was being hijacked. There were civilians that they had to protect, yet they decided to ignore them completely. In fact, if the princess really cared about that, she could've tried to plan out an ambush at Garm. Also, of course Faust would keep their executions hidden. That's directly resisting Noblesse's goals. We also know that they were suspicious of Faust the first episode; when they followed Momo to the church. If even the princess knew to call them 'executioners,' then the faction leadership should absolutely be suspicious of this and have some kind of counter-measures.

Menou was twisted as a personality, so it made sense that she wouldn't feel remorse to murdering them. What doesn't make sense is that the murdering IS the system to begin with. Why Faust hasn't tried to sabotage Noblesse's summons doesn't make sense either. Furthermore, if it's true that there's NO other way (which I seriously doubt), it doesn't make sense why Noblesse haven't realized this themselves. Unless there's a 5x Shyamalan twist behind the corner, none of this should work.
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daft_mariner said:
The backstory, while not poor, still didn't really give much as to why the otherworlders apparently all turn into uncontrolled threats and why murdering them is the only option. They showed that the girls don't want to murder like that: which makes sense, and Menou is apparently twisted enough to nullify those emotions. However, I'm still waiting for way, way more information than just this. Faust are still a lunatic cult so far, and admitting that they're the 'villains' doesn't make their case any better. I think this backstory could've been saved for a more fitting moment, rather than just in-between the ride.


I think that literally 4 annihilated and turned into inhabitable continets are already a good excuse why the church doesn't want a potential walking nukes around. It was also stated that more the Lost ones use their powers more it will corrupt their minds or they can accidentely annihilate something like the girl from Menou's past. And since there is no way how to send them back home it's somewhat understandable that this is a ''necessary evil''
Try to manipulate the summons. Sabotage them. Try to influence the Noblesse faction from the inside and/or outside. Influence the population to oppose it. Attempt a war. Influence the population to oppose it as much as you can. Try to figure out why Noblesse's collective braincells equal an ape's. Try anything and keep trying before doing that.
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daft_mariner said:
Strykeryno said:


I think that literally 4 annihilated and turned into inhabitable continets are already a good excuse why the church doesn't want a potential walking nukes around. It was also stated that more the Lost ones use their powers more it will corrupt their minds or they can accidentely annihilate something like the girl from Menou's past. And since there is no way how to send them back home it's somewhat understandable that this is a ''necessary evil''
Try to manipulate the summons. Sabotage them. Try to influence the Noblesse faction from the inside and/or outside. Influence the population to oppose it. Attempt a war. Influence the population to oppose it as much as you can. Try to figure out why Noblesse's collective braincells equal an ape's. Try anything and keep trying before doing that.


- They observe the astral vein where they are summoned, they actually try to stop them, but some of them just get out of their hands.
- How are they going to manipulate the faction?
- The population won't do anything, how are they going to stop the Noblesse when they don't have the power to even fight againts them? At least from the Commoner standpoint afaik.
- I don't think a war makes sense to stop them and most likely won't do good either.
- Again, the influence of the population most likely won't do anything.

And at the point where they just get summoned, what are they going to do aside form killing them? They can't just capture them and make them stay.
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Ionliosite2 said:
daft_mariner said:
Try to manipulate the summons. Sabotage them. Try to influence the Noblesse faction from the inside and/or outside. Influence the population to oppose it. Attempt a war. Influence the population to oppose it as much as you can. Try to figure out why Noblesse's collective braincells equal an ape's. Try anything and keep trying before doing that.


- They observe the astral vein where they are summoned, they actually try to stop them, but some of them just get out of their hands.
- How are they going to manipulate the faction?
- The population won't do anything, how are they going to stop the Noblesse when they don't have the power to even fight againts them? At least from the Commoner standpoint afaik.
- I don't think a war makes sense to stop them and most likely won't do good either.
- Again, the influence of the population most likely won't do anything.

And at the point where they just get summoned, what are they going to do aside form killing them? They can't just capture them and make them stay.
To clarify, this is all assuming that there's absolutely no alternative to killing them, which I already find to be a bit of a ridiculous concept.

- Even Mitsuki was able to see Akari being summoned. With enough planning, they should've been able to stop it. They've shown this much organization and ability to work together with just two people.

- Spies and people in the inside could do many things, for starters. Even just delaying operations is worth it. Bribing people, poisoning people, changing or blocking information, sabotaging trade conversation, even just threatening them. Almost immediately after the otherworlders were summoned, King Grisarika was arrested and put to trial. That already shows Faust have a lot of power.

- 90% of the population is commonfolk, as was said in ep 1. They probably make up the bulk of their armies. With how advanced technology is in their world, uniformity and information spread is so much easier than if it were a medieval setting. There's also etheric powers. They can appeal to their safety that Noblesse are compromising by summoning innocent, but dangerous Lost Ones. They can appeal to history. People want to be safe, and they'll unify to achieve that.

- War absolutely sucks and never does good, but it still does better than allowing walking extinctions be summoned.

- Influencing the people can mean everything in the right setting. That's how most dynasties fall.

- If the taboo is broken in any other circumstance, then (if there's no other choice) they have to be eliminated, of course. The issue is that a ruling, organized group summons them; Noblesse. From what I can deduct, the summoning requires power that the ordinary folk can never get. The focus is on completely removing that ability from them.
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I think that literally 4 annihilated and turned into inhabitable continets are already a good excuse why the church doesn't want a potential walking nukes around. It was also stated that more the Lost ones use their powers more it will corrupt their minds or they can accidentely annihilate something like the girl from Menou's past. And since there is no way how to send them back home it's somewhat understandable that this is a ''necessary evil''
Try to manipulate the summons. Sabotage them. Try to influence the Noblesse faction from the inside and/or outside. Influence the population to oppose it. Attempt a war. Influence the population to oppose it as much as you can. Try to figure out why Noblesse's collective braincells equal an ape's. Try anything and keep trying before doing that.


How can manipulation prevent Lost one to not accidentely blow up an entire continent?

How do you want to influance the Noblesse? Make them follow rules? lol

Yea, let's reveal everything to the commonfolk. The executioners, the fact that Lost ones are behind 4 human errors (unless they already know it). I certain that the bottomtier class will surely feel obligated to help the poor Lost ones against Faust. They surely stand any chance against them, right?

War? You have an issue with secret elimination of an individuals that don't even belong to that world and are even potential threat to it, but you're fine with war? And even if for what purpose? To overthrow the Faust? Wasn't that a reason why noblesse has summoned Akari in the 1st place? And that still doesn't solve the issue that are Lost Ones and their potential threat.

Didn't understand the one with Noblesse collective braincells. But i think you're generalizing something we've both seen a very little of, so far nobody mentioned that it's always Noblesse summoning the Lost ones to their world, we're only 4 episodes in we still don't know if there are multiple ways how Lost ones can get to their world.

Maybe they tried to find an alternative, but once you're minus 4 continents you'll become less sentimental about Lost Ones.

And most of all, even if all you stated happend in the series how exactly does that solve the Lost ones problem? How does overthrowing Faust solve that? As i stated earlier there could be a different ways how the Lost ones can get to that world. There is still a possibility that they can get randomly summoned without anyone performing any ritual.
But so far we don't know so far we're only 4 episodes through save your questions.

I don't see the point arguing about that tbh, when there could be some major reveal later on that will completely negate anything what both of us are currently assuming.
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Strykeryno said:
daft_mariner said:
Try to manipulate the summons. Sabotage them. Try to influence the Noblesse faction from the inside and/or outside. Influence the population to oppose it. Attempt a war. Influence the population to oppose it as much as you can. Try to figure out why Noblesse's collective braincells equal an ape's. Try anything and keep trying before doing that.


How can manipulation prevent Lost one to not accidentely blow up an entire continent?

How do you want to influance the Noblesse? Make them follow rules? lol

Yea, let's reveal everything to the commonfolk. The executioners, the fact that Lost ones are behind 4 human errors (unless they already know it). I certain that the bottomtier class will surely feel obligated to help the poor Lost ones against Faust. They surely stand any chance against them, right?

War? You have an issue with secret elimination of an individuals that don't even belong to that world and are even potential threat to it, but you're fine with war? And even if for what purpose? To overthrow the Faust? Wasn't that a reason why noblesse has summoned Akari in the 1st place? And that still doesn't solve the issue that are Lost Ones and their potential threat.

Didn't understand the one with Noblesse collective braincells. But i think you're generalizing something we've both seen a very little of, so far nobody mentioned that it's always Noblesse summoning the Lost ones to their world, we're only 4 episodes in we still don't know if there are multiple ways how Lost ones can get to their world.

Maybe they tried to find an alternative, but once you're minus 4 continents you'll become less sentimental about Lost Ones.

And most of all, even if all you stated happend in the series how exactly does that solve the Lost ones problem? How does overthrowing Faust solve that? As i stated earlier there could be a different ways how the Lost ones can get to that world. There is still a possibility that they can get randomly summoned without anyone performing any ritual.
But so far we don't know so far we're only 4 episodes through save your questions.

I don't see the point arguing about that tbh, when there could be some major reveal later on that will completely negate anything what both of us are currently assuming.
I basically explained the stuff in my post before, but you said that what I suggested means revealing everything about executioners. No, I meant that there shouldn't be these secret executioners to begin with. It doesn't solve the fact that Lost Ones are a threat, yes. But it doesn't mean they should create a special ops force created specifically to assassinate them. Even if killing them is the only way, there are smarter and more effective ways to go about it.

I mentioned war, because that should be the last resort. But it's still unfortunately a resort.

Noblesse are dumb, yes. Because when they tested Mitsuki with what seemed like a spell, they didn't see anything and they threw him out. When Menou told him to say 'Etheric Connect,' it activated his Pure Concept. If it's that easy, why didn't the Noblesse realize to do this? If it's just because they expected him to get assassinated and they 'traded' him for Akari, why even waste a life like that? In fact, they could've used him as a bait, since they're so heartless.

We don't know whether or not Noblesse are the only ones who summon them. However, they still did it and are probably still interested in doing it (I think Noblesse are most likely to summon an otherworlder because they're most likely to gain from it). If they can't be saved under any measure, then NOT summoning them should be ingrained in their leadership as much as Faust's are.

Even if Noblesse don't realize it, Faust should've realistically tried to change them forcefully. Years ago. Rather than kill every otherworlder, try to stop the whole ordeal any means necessary. If it's necessary, assassinate them, but don't rely on assassins alone.

If they tried to vehemently find an alternative, or that there are other ways they can appear, this information should've been pointed out to us already IF they want the audience to believe this.

All of my points about this aren't necessarily flaws. They're all red flags. This show's idea is very dangerous, because the details can break the whole thing. Like I said in a previous post, unless there is a huge twist; and I mean a twist that changes the whole idea itself, it's ridiculous without a complicated explanation. I'm pointing out the holes and hoping that most of them will be filled.
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there's a good reason why the noblesse mages apparently didnt seem to fully comprehend the forbidden magic of summoning the lost ones,
as you said before they were unable to detect the "null" boy ability

iirc there are 2 reasons,
but that would be spoilers. Idk about the anime but its clearly explained in the light novel

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Strykeryno said:


How can manipulation prevent Lost one to not accidentely blow up an entire continent?

How do you want to influance the Noblesse? Make them follow rules? lol

Yea, let's reveal everything to the commonfolk. The executioners, the fact that Lost ones are behind 4 human errors (unless they already know it). I certain that the bottomtier class will surely feel obligated to help the poor Lost ones against Faust. They surely stand any chance against them, right?

War? You have an issue with secret elimination of an individuals that don't even belong to that world and are even potential threat to it, but you're fine with war? And even if for what purpose? To overthrow the Faust? Wasn't that a reason why noblesse has summoned Akari in the 1st place? And that still doesn't solve the issue that are Lost Ones and their potential threat.

Didn't understand the one with Noblesse collective braincells. But i think you're generalizing something we've both seen a very little of, so far nobody mentioned that it's always Noblesse summoning the Lost ones to their world, we're only 4 episodes in we still don't know if there are multiple ways how Lost ones can get to their world.

Maybe they tried to find an alternative, but once you're minus 4 continents you'll become less sentimental about Lost Ones.

And most of all, even if all you stated happend in the series how exactly does that solve the Lost ones problem? How does overthrowing Faust solve that? As i stated earlier there could be a different ways how the Lost ones can get to that world. There is still a possibility that they can get randomly summoned without anyone performing any ritual.
But so far we don't know so far we're only 4 episodes through save your questions.

I don't see the point arguing about that tbh, when there could be some major reveal later on that will completely negate anything what both of us are currently assuming.
I basically explained the stuff in my post before, but you said that what I suggested means revealing everything about executioners. No, I meant that there shouldn't be these secret executioners to begin with. It doesn't solve the fact that Lost Ones are a threat, yes. But it doesn't mean they should create a special ops force created specifically to assassinate them. Even if killing them is the only way, there are smarter and more effective ways to go about it.

-I mentioned war, because that should be the last resort. But it's still unfortunately a resort.


But what that war should be about. Commonfolk vs Noblesse? When these people have don't live bad and Noblesse are taking care of them and vast majority of them more likely follow the rules of the Faust making them innocent in this summoning matter? And they certainly don't even know they summoned anyone in the 1st place. Not probably all of Noblesse want to summon anyone to begin with unless there is some international plot they have with other kingdom to overthrow the Faust.

Commonfolk vs Faust? When the whole Executioner bussiness is hidden from them?



-Noblesse are dumb, yes. Because when they tested Mitsuki with what seemed like a spell, they didn't see anything and they threw him out. When Menou told him to say 'Etheric Connect,' it activated his Pure Concept. If it's that easy, why didn't the Noblesse realize to do this? If it's just because they expected him to get assassinated and they 'traded' him for Akari, why even waste a life like that? In fact, they could've used him as a bait, since they're so heartless.

But...using him as a bait to lure out exectutioners was their intention, it was stated in the 1st ep. lol

-We don't know whether or not Noblesse are the only ones who summon them. However, they still did it and are probably still interested in doing it (I think Noblesse are most likely to summon an otherworlder because they're most likely to gain from it). If they can't be saved under any measure, then NOT summoning them should be ingrained in their leadership as much as Faust's are.


No summons, no executioners needed. I think we'll agree here. It was stated that Noblesse wants a summon in order to overthrow the Faust to get at the top of the social chain. Nothing surprising here.


-Even if Noblesse don't realize it, Faust should've realistically tried to change them forcefully. Years ago. Rather than kill every otherworlder, try to stop the whole ordeal any means necessary. If it's necessary, assassinate them, but don't rely on assassins alone.

The Faust aren't omni-scient. Even if you have spyies among the noblesse they surely gonna have some counter-measures against that so eventually some of them would slip the law just like in real world. It's like saying that goverments should make their people not commiting any crimes. It's not that simple. That's basically turned you country into a police state where everything needs to be survailanced. No privacy, no freedom. That would probably trigger a civil war more likely then your country doing some shady bussiness. For a human nature it's impossible. Not to mention that systems like this are more susceptible to corruption.


-If they tried to vehemently find an alternative, or that there are other ways they can appear, this information should've been pointed out to us already IF they want the audience to believe this.

It was stated that coming of outworlders was highly benefical for that world. So there was initially no hostility towards them. Until they started to run out of control annihilating continents in the proccess. They surely tried to find an alternative. But if them running out of control is in their nature and there is no way how to send them home then what other option there is but to eliminate them? It's unfortunate but it is what it is, no world is ideal.


-All of my points about this aren't necessarily flaws. They're all red flags. This show's idea is very dangerous, because the details can break the whole thing. Like I said in a previous post, unless there is a huge twist; and I mean a twist that changes the whole idea itself, it's ridiculous without a complicated explanation. I'm pointing out the holes and hoping that most of them will be filled.

Fair enough.
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The time is coming for Akari's doomsday; I imagine she will rewind time after the event, but what will the repercussions be? I'm actually really interested on how this goes.
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Man, this show is really fucking good so far, I'd say it's one of the top tier isekais so far. Also really love the OP, I've been listening to the full version everyday ever since I watched the first episode lmao.

Menou's backstory was really great, I think Flare's cool as hell, but we don't really know her motivations yet and there's definitely more to her. Those eyebags and tears she had has me wondering.

Yay, Akari got her date, she very sneaky though, yeah right "oops my towel dropped," sure sure.

Orwell seemed very sussy at the end there. Really looking forward to the next episode.


Love it all you want, people like me will keep it in the 6/10 range :D
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Next episode is titled "Goodbye"
Me: Yeah right

haha me thinks Akari's gonna use a different kind of power and resurrect ALL of the people who got isekaied and got killed and its gonna be CHAOS!!! HAHA LOLZ


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Who wants to bet that the Church used to be at the bottom of the totem pole back before the "awful" Human Errors. I mean look at the halos around the outsiders heads.
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Strykeryno said:
daft_mariner said:
I basically explained the stuff in my post before, but you said that what I suggested means revealing everything about executioners. No, I meant that there shouldn't be these secret executioners to begin with. It doesn't solve the fact that Lost Ones are a threat, yes. But it doesn't mean they should create a special ops force created specifically to assassinate them. Even if killing them is the only way, there are smarter and more effective ways to go about it.

-I mentioned war, because that should be the last resort. But it's still unfortunately a resort.


But what that war should be about. Commonfolk vs Noblesse? When these people have don't live bad and Noblesse are taking care of them and vast majority of them more likely follow the rules of the Faust making them innocent in this summoning matter? And they certainly don't even know they summoned anyone in the 1st place. Not probably all of Noblesse want to summon anyone to begin with unless there is some international plot they have with other kingdom to overthrow the Faust.

Commonfolk vs Faust? When the whole Executioner bussiness is hidden from them?



-Noblesse are dumb, yes. Because when they tested Mitsuki with what seemed like a spell, they didn't see anything and they threw him out. When Menou told him to say 'Etheric Connect,' it activated his Pure Concept. If it's that easy, why didn't the Noblesse realize to do this? If it's just because they expected him to get assassinated and they 'traded' him for Akari, why even waste a life like that? In fact, they could've used him as a bait, since they're so heartless.

But...using him as a bait to lure out exectutioners was their intention, it was stated in the 1st ep. lol

-We don't know whether or not Noblesse are the only ones who summon them. However, they still did it and are probably still interested in doing it (I think Noblesse are most likely to summon an otherworlder because they're most likely to gain from it). If they can't be saved under any measure, then NOT summoning them should be ingrained in their leadership as much as Faust's are.


No summons, no executioners needed. I think we'll agree here. It was stated that Noblesse wants a summon in order to overthrow the Faust to get at the top of the social chain. Nothing surprising here.


-Even if Noblesse don't realize it, Faust should've realistically tried to change them forcefully. Years ago. Rather than kill every otherworlder, try to stop the whole ordeal any means necessary. If it's necessary, assassinate them, but don't rely on assassins alone.

The Faust aren't omni-scient. Even if you have spyies among the noblesse they surely gonna have some counter-measures against that so eventually some of them would slip the law just like in real world. It's like saying that goverments should make their people not commiting any crimes. It's not that simple. That's basically turned you country into a police state where everything needs to be survailanced. No privacy, no freedom. That would probably trigger a civil war more likely then your country doing some shady bussiness. For a human nature it's impossible. Not to mention that systems like this are more susceptible to corruption.


-If they tried to vehemently find an alternative, or that there are other ways they can appear, this information should've been pointed out to us already IF they want the audience to believe this.

It was stated that coming of outworlders was highly benefical for that world. So there was initially no hostility towards them. Until they started to run out of control annihilating continents in the proccess. They surely tried to find an alternative. But if them running out of control is in their nature and there is no way how to send them home then what other option there is but to eliminate them? It's unfortunate but it is what it is, no world is ideal.


-All of my points about this aren't necessarily flaws. They're all red flags. This show's idea is very dangerous, because the details can break the whole thing. Like I said in a previous post, unless there is a huge twist; and I mean a twist that changes the whole idea itself, it's ridiculous without a complicated explanation. I'm pointing out the holes and hoping that most of them will be filled.

Fair enough.
It depends on what would start the war, but if Noblesse want to overthrow Faust, as they implied, then either one faction could utilize the 'commoners' to get an upper hand. Executioners wouldn't be a thing. A lot of other things have to happen before a war a like that could happen, so that's why I'm calling it a last resort. Point is that Faust should've been trying to make not summoning otherworlders clear in a much harder scale.

No, Noblesse decided to take out Menou and Momo because they found out about Akari. ''You snuck your noses in too far.'' The scheme was implied to be this: Summon Mitsuki, throw him out and expect him to get killed, and then summon Akari in the mean time. But this is dumb. They didn't need to do that at all. They kept Akari so poorly safe that someone else could seriously just jump in there and take her: yet they expected Mitsuki to get assassinated. And, they followed Momo knowing that they realized about Akari; yet they didn't remember to increase defenses.

Faust can never be perfect in their work. However, the work shouldn't be like *this* to begin with. It should be a large-scale operation on the government level. If any otherworlders get summoned that's out of government control, arrest the perpetrators and silently 'save' (arrest) the otherworlder in a group setting, to make sure they don't destroy any homes like it did Menou's. Assuming there's no alternative, eliminate them safely. Noblesse would have to somehow ignore all of this. No person close to King Grisarika would have to not have tried to stop this; we're talking about unstable nuclear weapons, basically = they'd all have to be dumb as apes. This is my main issue if there is no alternative: because then there should be way harder measures taken to stop it in all forms possible, and it's unrealistic that any leader with supervisors agree to summon it. If someone on their side tried to stop it: show that. Add more layers to it.

It still wasn't conveyed what the alternatives were. It would've been interesting to see the history behind that. If there's a twist, that's fine, but then the plot should be trying to convince us in the mean time. Because then I'm expecting there to be a twist, and that kind of sucks.
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there's a good reason why the noblesse mages apparently didnt seem to fully comprehend the forbidden magic of summoning the lost ones,
as you said before they were unable to detect the "null" boy ability

iirc there are 2 reasons,
but that would be spoilers. Idk about the anime but its clearly explained in the light novel

I think this is a far-fetched assumption, though. 'Etheric Connection' should be rather common, no? I hardly believe Faust are far more advanced regarding this. Something as easy as saying words should easily spread everywhere.
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daft_mariner said:
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@daft_mariner

there's a good reason why the noblesse mages apparently didnt seem to fully comprehend the forbidden magic of summoning the lost ones,
as you said before they were unable to detect the "null" boy ability

iirc there are 2 reasons,
but that would be spoilers. Idk about the anime but its clearly explained in the light novel

I think this is a far-fetched assumption, though. 'Etheric Connection' should be rather common, no? I hardly believe Faust are far more advanced regarding this. Something as easy as saying words should easily spread everywhere.


welp, its explicitly stated the noblesses under princess ashuna's daddy (the king) had no idea how to summon the lost ones until the faust deliberately told em about it

then you tell me iF there's an anti-feat regarding this 'etheric connection'

iirc we've never seen anyone capable of such a feat except menou and flare, no?
its also been established that even menou is capable of invoking magic that couldn't be comprehended by nobles soldiers, no?
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