Higurashi When They Cry: Festival Accompanying Arc
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| Well, that was a journey. They manage to go against fate without anyone dying (even the bad guys). The beginning antd end of this season were enjoyable. The middle part was boring. I enjoyed the first season more. Overall, a 6.5. I would give it a 7, but the middle part of the series was boring. I heard that the 2020 version is a sequel and not a remake. Even MAL has it titled as a sequel. Why would they make a sequel? It ended off nicely. Oh well, I'm not gonna watch it anyways. Here are some pics (saved the best for last):     |
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| Why is there more? Kai concluded so well, it doesn’t really need a continuation. |
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| I preferred the 1st season; the series deteriorated since the previous season's final story chapter, but its score (7/10) will be unaffected by the 2nd season; however, the opposite will not be true for this season; it will be criticised based on the 1st season. Too much stalling in the first half of the 2nd season, they were late in revealing the identity of the mastermind, who's identity was predictable. Take, for example, Episode 2, which was nothing more than a pointless comedy with no plot progression. Pacing was atrocious. Speaking of late reveals, Nomura (the true mastermind) makes an appearance in Episode 17??? Her appearance was merely to fill a void (the one who funded Takano). It would have been better not to show her at all, or to show her much earlier, like in season one, or instead of making Takano an underling, they could have made Okonogi an ally joining forces with Takano because of similar goals yet different personal intentions to Takano's and shown more background of his character, rather than someone working solely for Takano's money. Of course, there is a distinction between "the appearance of the mastermind" and "the reveal of the mastermind", and Takano's mere appearance, for example, did not ruin the mystery. Okonogi's existence was merely to provide the necessary muscle for Takano's plan, but the problem was that his only personal motive was money, and Nomura's purpose was to provide that money in order to provide for Okonogi's army... you see what I am getting at? Both Nomura and Okonogi have no real connection to the story and serve only as plot device characters to fill a gap. If neither of them shows up, I'll ask questions like, "Where did the money come from?" "How come the yamainu are assisting Takano?" The writer does a good job filling this gap, but not enough for characters who play an important role in the plot, such as Okonogi and Nomura. Rika only acted seriously in episode 6 to change fate? It's been a century, and she still hasn't tried what Keiichi did in episode 6? seriously?? Her lack of common sense is absurd. I understand that the message for the viewer is to do serious work rather than complain, which Rika didn't do at first, but 100 years is too long. What I expected was that she did not want to change fate at first; rather, she wanted to go back in time and have a good time with her friends, even if only for a short time that would be repeated indefinitely. But it turns out she's been whining for over a century without even trying. The reasonable assumption was that she had no motivation or desire to break free from the time loop. However, her statement that she wanted to leave from the beginning disproved such assumption. What's the point of Keiichi remembering a few past events only to forget them in the next world? Hanyu herself said it was pointless because it happened only once in 100 years, let alone it happens to more than one person in the same world. It later turns out that it happens to everyone, not just Keiichi, in their subconscious mind, including Keiichi, so I don't believe a conscious recollection is exclusive to Keiichi. Recalling in itself however served no tactical advantage whatsoever, so showing Keiichi conscious recollection was just a cool plot exposition revealing that the worlds were intertwined, which I expected to to happen again, ultimately Keiichi, regardless of his memories, Keiichi served a large role in changing fate because he was new to the town. After a serious attempt, Hanyu's time-returning powers fade, the time travel period decreases, and Rika no longer remembers the events of the previous world, which is an unnecessary coincidence that is a plot convenience serves only to thrill viewers. Shion is in love with Satoshi and yandere for him because he patted her head and spoke to her for a few minutes? The author was sure lazy here. Rina and Mion were too friendly to Keiichi who had only met them for a few days, even after he broke Rina's fingers using the door. I wouldn't mind if they were both aware of the syndrome and working hard to alleviate the symptoms, but that wasn't the case. Also, even though Rika was aware of those impending events, she did nothing to stop them as usual; at the very least, she could have instructed Dr. Irie and Takano to treat him as they did with Satoshi. What exactly real and syndrome imagination? What have Keiichi imagined and haven't? What about Rina's cleaver, did Rena equip the cleaver at the time for self-defense against the Yamainu in that bus, or was it all in Keiichi's head? and Mion's outburst when Keiichi told her about Ooishi? This is not subtlety, this is ambiguity. Spirited Away by the Demon Chapter was my favourite but had too many contrived plot conveniences to worsen Keiichi's Hinamizawa Syndrome when you look at it retrospectively. Why does Takano fabricate false stories about her research and give them to random children with the syndrome? What was the point of stimulating the syndrome in few random children? for the lols? If so, her backstory never hinted or established that she was a sadist who enjoyed manipulating people for the sake of manipulating people; I assumed all she wanted was to prove her grandfather's theory and gain recognition, not enjoy causing suffering to others, what a waste of time. There was no reason to make her so malicious; given the reason in her flashbacks, it was understandable that she desired genocide. However, it appears absurd to play with children's minds for the sake of amusement. Especially when it comes to writing unnecessary papers and handing them over to the victim. Takano is a villain with a clear goal that she wishes to achieve regardless of the harm she causes to innocents; she is immoral but not a sadistic malicious villain who derives pleasure from the suffering of some innocent children. While she lacks morals she shows no signs of being sadistic throughout the anime including her flashback. If another reason existed, then it was not disclosed. And certainly not "for the sake of scientific study" because she does nothing else after that and the time available to conduct a study is limited. All of the gathering was unnecessary in order to save Satoko; what was required was simply to persuade Satoko, and even with the assembly, it was necessary to ask her. I understand that the gathering is a message to the viewer about harmony, but the excuse for doing so was ridiculous, and this invalidates the anime's constant message of 'fate can be conquered with collaboration'. The anime demonstrated that crowding had no benefit for Satoko and what was needed was a few emotional words and phrases to persuade Satoko to seek help. Rika stated unequivocally that this is the only solution, she was right. I've been yelling at Rika to come to this conclusion ever since she learned about Satoko's uncle's return. As I previously stated, the gathering and cooperation were not a problem in and of themselves; if anything, it caused some development of several characters; my issue is with the writer contriving such an excuse of the gathering. It wasn't the best idea to waste episode time with silly comedy after each episode and spoiler previews of upcoming events. It never works to have a terrifying atmosphere at the end of an episode followed by a silly comedy. However, it was a good thing that the mood whiplash was minimal in the overall series, especially for a serious that have both horror and comedy. Hanyu is a mere a plot device character who only serves as a time machine. Revealing herself was also too late, what I mean by her reveal is her visual incarnation to the other characters, as well as her interaction with them. But then again, I'm not sure why she revealed herself to others in the last chapter, yet the story portrays her as an 'important piece' and key to victory. Also, because she appears so late and is given so little screentime and character development, we don't know much about her character other than that she is a one-dimensional character who can only be described as "the goddess who helps Rika". We've known since the end of season one that Rika can travel back in time. There was no need to keep Hanyu hidden until Episode 6. If there is a mystery spoiler, it is the mystery of her time travel method, which again has nothing to do with Hanyu's appearance. Because its mere appearance does not prove that Hanyu was truly the means, it was possible to assume that Rika possesses the ability to travel back in time. Why did Hanyu not tell Rika about Takano? For what reason? What was the point of that scene where Hanyu and Takano interacted? Like Nomura and Okonogi, despite playing an important role in the plot, she is a bad character. Can you give me a character description of Hanyu other than the Goddess assisting Rika? Why did Takano wait so long to kill Rika when she had the chance? Why does Nomura cancel the operation despite Takano and Okonogi discovering that Rika was alive? When they captured her, Takano could have ordered Okonogi to kill Rika instead of bringing her alive. I understand that Takano waited because she wanted to kill Rika at the right time in order to prepare for Emergency Manual 34, but Okonogi at the time had already cut off communication and was carrying out the plan. I don't see the point in of Takano issuing an order abducting Rika alive. Why? If anything this contradicts Takano's plan, which begins with Rika's murder. But wait it gets even weirder, Rika was aware of Emergency Manual 34 and aware that Takano wants to murder her as soon as possible, so why the fuck was Rika threatening them to commit suicide. Okonogi also responds that it is bad if Rika attempted suicide. I don't mind happy endings as long as they aren't unrealistic with zero casualties on either side. The ending is implausible due to the coincidence of no damage or death for either parties, despite the outbreak of a lethal firearms war. Finally, good thing Rika become 'the main character' for this season instead of focusing on Keiichi who was like any VN harem protagonist, changes personalties based on his decisions in the 1st season. |
DeagoAug 31, 2022 2:18 PM
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| i feel bad for takano; she was trying to do something good but in all the wrong ways and she'd been shit on her whole life. |
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| Great conclusion for a decent series. was that last part just void dream or what? |
| Higurashi season 2 was just boring and forgettable. The only good thing is that we get the answers to everything, and also how some scenes changed for the "better" like the survival of the detectives wife, and the male MC giving the doll to Mion this time. But asides from that, this season 2 was just dull and meh, and didnt feel like Higurashi season 1, which is what we wanted from season 2. The biggest difference is that season 2 didnt have the "crazy" and "suspense" that season 1 had. This season 2 was just a mystery, and the only thing that will make people watch this season 2 is to see the answers to what happened on season 1. After episode 4, I started watching each episode in a very fast paced just to get this season 2 over with, and I would only slow it down once they would be revealing more "answers". The first episode and the first half of episode 2 of season 2 was captivating, but afterwards, just meh. Again, you gotta see Higurashi season 2 at least once, but after that, this season 2 has no rewatch value. And its a shame that there is no English dub for season 2, since that probably would have made it an easier watch I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a score of 8.18 on MAL (as of the date of my comment), and I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a higher MAL score than Higurashi season 1. |
oooo3333Mar 1, 2023 1:49 AM
oooo3333 said: Sequel effect; most viewers who liked Higurashi stuck with it until season 2, while those who disliked it ignored it and did not rate it. Furthermore, many people are more concerned with conclusions and answers than with suspense and the journey itself, and they fail to see the bigger picture, and how season 2 makes season 1 bad when you look at it retrospectively; season 2 reveals answers, but it also exposes how weak the storyline and adaptation were.I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a score of 8.18 on MAL (as of the date of my comment), and I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a higher MAL score than Higurashi season 1. Read my rant above for more details. |
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Deago said: oooo3333 said: Sequel effect; most viewers who liked Higurashi stuck with it until season 2, while those who disliked it ignored it and did not rate it. Furthermore, many people are more concerned with conclusions and answers than with suspense and the journey itself, and they fail to see the bigger picture, and how season 2 makes season 1 bad when you look at it retrospectively; season 2 reveals answers, but it also exposes how weak the storyline and adaptation were.I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a score of 8.18 on MAL (as of the date of my comment), and I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a higher MAL score than Higurashi season 1. Read my rant above for more details. Surprisingly, just as I was about to finish season 2 with about 3 episodes left, I came here to the last page of episode 24 discussion thread, and your comment was the one I agreed with the most before concluding the anime. |
Reply to Deago
oooo3333 said:
I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a score of 8.18 on MAL (as of the date of my comment), and I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a higher MAL score than Higurashi season 1.
Sequel effect; most viewers who liked Higurashi stuck with it until season 2, while those who disliked it ignored it and did not rate it. Furthermore, many people are more concerned with conclusions and answers than with suspense and the journey itself, and they fail to see the bigger picture, and how season 2 makes season 1 bad when you look at it retrospectively; season 2 reveals answers, but it also exposes how weak the storyline and adaptation were.I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a score of 8.18 on MAL (as of the date of my comment), and I have no idea how Higurashi season 2 has a higher MAL score than Higurashi season 1.
Read my rant above for more details.
| @Deago In cause you were blind. Higurashi S2 is much better than S1, first the production quality, much better character design. Second and most important, this S2 actually took its time, S1 is a mess, they adapted the first 6 episodes of the VN (each being up to 20h long), in 24 episodes, RUSH. Here not only the two and better final arcs have more episodes to flesh things out, but also you get answers for everything and a beautiful conclusion. |
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@Deago In cause you were blind.
Higurashi S2 is much better than S1, first the production quality, much better character design.
Second and most important, this S2 actually took its time, S1 is a mess, they adapted the first 6 episodes of the VN (each being up to 20h long), in 24 episodes, RUSH.
Here not only the two and better final arcs have more episodes to flesh things out, but also you get answers for everything and a beautiful conclusion.
Higurashi S2 is much better than S1, first the production quality, much better character design.
Second and most important, this S2 actually took its time, S1 is a mess, they adapted the first 6 episodes of the VN (each being up to 20h long), in 24 episodes, RUSH.
Here not only the two and better final arcs have more episodes to flesh things out, but also you get answers for everything and a beautiful conclusion.
| @Playcool 'first the production quality, much better character design' It's the same, the character designer Sakai Kyuuta kept the designs consistent throughout both seasons, and considering the time small time gap between the seasons, it's safe to assume they were produced without interruption by same staff, with Deen already planning a full adaptation, otherwise prove it with examples.'Second and most important, this S2 actually took its time, S1 is a mess, they adapted the first 6 episodes of the VN (each being up to 20h long), in 24 episodes, RUSH.' First of all Faithful adaptation ≠ Good adaptation. Comparing how an anime is closer to the source material is one of the laziest criticism one could spout, because it ignores the actual content of the show and treats the source as if it's perfect, which it isn't. Second of all S2 had a filler (episode 2) with nothing of substance. That's not slow, that's totally stopping plot progression.'Here not only the two and better final arcs have more episodes to flesh things out' It had less episodes, one of which was a meaningless useless filler (episode 2) consisting of nothing but silly comedy and recap.'but also you get answers for everything and a beautiful conclusion.' Those answers exposed the bad writing, and 'In cause you were blind', I provided examples of which you apparently ignored. |
DeagoJun 20, 2:59 AM
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Deago said: First of all Faithful adaptation ≠ Good adaptation. That is fancy to say, but then you need a truly talent director to know what will work better or not, most the times the adaptation is NOT adapting enough content, thus not being that faithful, and it is not as good as an adaptation because things that would add to what you would see ahead, are skipped due to lack of runtime to include them. The latest Kimetsu S4 is in an odd place because the director decided to create tons of filler content, for an arc that was already weaker, it is an extreme case but I m sure they could have kept only some extras in, done a shorter season, less episodes and then had something with better pacing, My point is, there is a balance you have to get, from what you adapt. S1 of Higurashi was shit on that, too much cut content, and S2 was much better. Deago said: Those answers exposed the bad writing, and 'In cause you were blind', I provided examples of which you apparently ignored. Because I don't agree with them, and more so, what remains more vivid in my mind is the VN, not the anime, and when I watched the anime for sure I would forgive some stuff because the VN already handled that for me, and I have a better understanding of some finer details. But again, your bad writing takes, I don't agree with, so I never bothered to address, and your whole opinion is in the minority because most people consider the sequel an solid improvement. Everyone should have their own opinions, but something you have to accept is that is not what is considered normal and that S2 was better for most people. |
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| Even after losing, learning nobody cared about her work and having a breakdown this bitch still wanted to kill. No amount of sad backstory will make me like Miyo, wish she died in that car accident with her parents. And how could adult Rika meet her? She become a god like Hanyuu or what? Anyways we love a happy ending. I thought there was only question and answer arcs but happy to see there's more. After a thousand years it's finally july 🔥🔥 |
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