| If you watched first few episodes of ubw then it's fine (the movie expects you to have watched it) thou recommend watching it full as fate stay night is original series and fate zero is prequel made after afterwards Thou In opinion I liked ubw more just the archer vs Shiro idealogy battle beats anything in fate zero with only thing coming close is ending of Fate zero |
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| Thats stupid. Ubw didnt borrow anything. The source material for Stay night was released way before the one for zero. Before you talk do at least search it. Plus the first season of ubw is the Worst part of the ufotable anime, I think the second season is peak fiction |
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| No. You need to watch UBW for context around the characters. Heavens feel focuses on the characters ignored in Fate and UBW while expecting you to know who the main characters from those routes are so it glosses over them like with none of who have their true names revealed during the route. |
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| I'd reccomend watching the movies after uve watched both fate zero and ubw |
| Nope you are gonna watch the entire thing. |
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| Bro ubw came out before zero. The anime adaptation of ubw came after zero but the fate stay night vn released before the fate zero light novels meaning ubw came first. But yeah I agree ubw sucks and zero is better |
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Sandro8604 said: u can watch the MOVIES and UBW 1st before Zero but i didn't like UBW tbh really,, Heaven's Feel is great and Zero is better than UBW so start from the worst,, watch Fate is a very popular and big franchise. But I couldn't get into it bcoz there were so many and I didn't know where to start. I heard Fate/Zero was the best one and had won many awards so I started watching it and it was soooo...good. A new concept about reviving old heroes/worriers and start a Battle Royale among them. Premise was simple and a goal was set from the start. But the Character Developments, Interactions (especially between Alexander♥️ and the boy), God Level animation, Fights and Backstories made it what it is today. It is very close to a Masterpiece IMO if not for the unexplained Ending (Ending didn't left me satisfied). Immediately started watching UBW but it was not good apart from Sound and Animations. They borrowed everything from Zero and tried to make a RomCom Drama?!! Zero had a bunch of diverse characters and we got to see everyone's POVs and ideologies. UBW had only two or three and they were not even likable. They even resurrected same Saber for Waifu material!? WTF!! It was good for most people but not for me and I ended up dropping it. So I think HF would be more or less the same as it has the same characters from UBW but I really wanted to see it for the Animation. I have heard it is the best produced Animation till date. So drop your opinions and please don't get offended🙃 these are just my opinions, I know there are many super hardcore Fate fans. UBW, thrn HF then ZERO |
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| How could UBW borrow form Zero when the source material for UBW came out first? If anything it's Zero which came out later and used the same concepts as F/SN as a whole. Anyway, it's true that F/Z is a better anime than UBW. I'd say it's alright to watch HF movies without watching UBW if you aren't too interested in what goes on in the franchise as a whole and just want to see it for the animation and fights. |
Sandro8604 said: Fate/Stay Night literally came out before Fate/Zero, Fate/Zero is a prequel about Saber in the past grail war and how she fell to the level of self-hatred she has in the Fate route. The reason that they do not focus on all the character's ideologies is because:Fate is a very popular and big franchise. But I couldn't get into it bcoz there were so many and I didn't know where to start. I heard Fate/Zero was the best one and had won many awards so I started watching it and it was soooo...good. A new concept about reviving old heroes/worriers and start a Battle Royale among them. Premise was simple and a goal was set from the start. But the Character Developments, Interactions (especially between Alexander♥️ and the boy), God Level animation, Fights and Backstories made it what it is today. It is very close to a Masterpiece IMO if not for the unexplained Ending (Ending didn't left me satisfied). Immediately started watching UBW but it was not good apart from Sound and Animations. They borrowed everything from Zero and tried to make a RomCom Drama?!! Zero had a bunch of diverse characters and we got to see everyone's POVs and ideologies. UBW had only two or three and they were not even likable. They even resurrected same Saber for Waifu material!? WTF!! It was good for most people but not for me and I ended up dropping it. So I think HF would be more or less the same as it has the same characters from UBW but I really wanted to see it for the Animation. I have heard it is the best produced Animation till date. So drop your opinions and please don't get offended🙃 these are just my opinions, I know there are many super hardcore Fate fans. A: Not everyone has one in real life or in the grail war. Even Zero has characters with no ideologies (Rin's father, Kariya, even Waver all have no real ideology and fight for personal reasons like finding the root, saving Sakura or to earn people's respect) B: Its based off a VN with 3 different routes, different characters are explored in different routes. Also, UBW is literally about the conflict between Shirou and Archer's ideologies, don't pretend its all just random fights with no ideological throughline just because Kojiro never explains his stance on abortion or some shit. PS - How is Zero's ending unexpected and unsatisfying. from the start we know that the 4th grail war ended in tragedy, that Sakura is never saved, Gilgamesh and Kirei win and Saber begins to believe she never should have become king at all. The point of Zero is seeing what lead up all that. |
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goldenONX said: What? Its not finding the route, that's an academic thing for mages. If you say its the Tohsaka crest of "Always Elegant" then by definition Rin has it too.epicpunnyname said: Fate/Stay Night literally came out before Fate/Zero, Fate/Zero is a prequel about Saber in the past grail war and how she fell to the level of self-hatred she has in the Fate route. The reason that they do not focus on all the character's ideologies is because: A: Not everyone has one in real life or in the grail war. Even Zero has characters with no ideologies (Rin's father, Kariya, even Waver all have no real ideology and fight for personal reasons like finding the root, saving Sakura or to earn people's respect) B: Its based off a VN with 3 different routes, different characters are explored in different routes. Also, UBW is literally about the conflict between Shirou and Archer's ideologies, don't pretend its all just random fights with no ideological throughline just because Kojiro never explains his stance on abortion or some shit. PS - How is Zero's ending unexpected and unsatisfying. from the start we know that the 4th grail war ended in tragedy, that Sakura is never saved, Gilgamesh and Kirei win and Saber begins to believe she never should have become king at all. The point of Zero is seeing what lead up all that. Rin’s father does have an idealogie........ |
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goldenONX said: You mean to access the root, which as I said is not an ideology, its an academic thing for mages. They want to see the root of all magical energy in the world to understand magic better.epicpunnyname said: What? Its not finding the route, that's an academic thing for mages. If you say its the Tohsaka crest of "Always Elegant" then by definition Rin has it too. He wants to summon “the carrot”. (That’s how it got translated on my subtitles). It gets summoned when all servants die in the war, so his initial plan was to win with Gilgamesh and make him commit suicide with a command spell |
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goldenONX said: Then every character in Fate/Stay Night has an ideology because they all have motivationsepicpunnyname said: You mean to access the root, which as I said is not an ideology, its an academic thing for mages. They want to see the root of all magic in the world, almost every mage wants to. Well it is what he wants to do so it’s prett my much his ideology |
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goldenONX said: epicpunnyname said: Then every character in Fate/Stay Night has an ideology because they all have motivations Sakura was forced into the war and doesn’t have one. Shirou entered the war by “coincidence” and only wanted to end it when he heard that the 4th war was the cause of the tragedy 10 years ago. Shirou - To be a hero of justice (Fate), (UBW), Protect (HF) Sakura - Rin - To do her duty as the Tohsaka heir and win the grail Shinji - To prove that he is better than everyone else and that Illya - Kirei - To find out why he is the way he is Zouken - Caster's master - To make Caster happy Caster - Lancer Cu Cuchailan - To have a valiant fight to the death Saber - Archer - kill Shirou Emiya , prove Shirou's ideals wrong Assasin Kojiro - I'll give you this one, he just kind of was just put there because there needed to be an assassin this grail war Rider - To protect no matter the cost Berserker Hercules - Too crazy to remember it Every Fate character has something they want - which by your logic is an ideology Sorry if I seem like an ass about this |
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Sandro8604 said: Fate is a very popular and big franchise. But I couldn't get into it bcoz there were so many and I didn't know where to start. I heard Fate/Zero was the best one and had won many awards so I started watching it and it was soooo...good. A new concept about reviving old heroes/worriers and start a Battle Royale among them. Premise was simple and a goal was set from the start. But the Character Developments, Interactions (especially between Alexander♥️ and the boy), God Level animation, Fights and Backstories made it what it is today. It is very close to a Masterpiece IMO if not for the unexplained Ending (Ending didn't left me satisfied). Immediately started watching UBW but it was not good apart from Sound and Animations. They borrowed everything from Zero and tried to make a RomCom Drama?!! Zero had a bunch of diverse characters and we got to see everyone's POVs and ideologies. UBW had only two or three and they were not even likable. They even resurrected same Saber for Waifu material!? WTF!! It was good for most people but not for me and I ended up dropping it. So I think HF would be more or less the same as it has the same characters from UBW but I really wanted to see it for the Animation. I have heard it is the best produced Animation till date. So drop your opinions and please don't get offended🙃 these are just my opinions, I know there are many super hardcore Fate fans. Your opinions are stupid. UBW has some of the most in depth philosophy ever explored. FSN Archer alone has more depth than any character in Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero had some of the most shallow characters. The motivations were not explored at all. FSN UBW explored Archer's motivations in depth. It was fantastic. His plot twist identity, the red herrings and clues were all built up well. Fate Zero had some of the blandest plot twists, most boring build up, no tension, the fights and world building were horrible. |
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