| I suggest watching the first episode of Muv-luv alternative: total eclipse as it shows a lot of similarities, it’s basically attack on Titian but with aliens and mecha pretty good imo. |
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| MLA is very similiar to AOT. (Though I think MLA is way way better). I can't look AOT with the same eyes anymore after finishing the series. Even the main theme is nearly the same. There are very similiar events too. Especially in 5/12 Incident Arc I couldn't help but think about Season 3 of AOT. |
PattisLJul 2, 2021 1:51 AM
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| Muv-Luv is a good series, so no, it's not similar at all. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
racers551 said: Thigh_Tide said: Muv-Luv is a good series, so no, it's not similar at all. Uh... Attack on titan is a good series, what are you talking about? I am talking about it not being a good series, rather, far from it. Was that not obvious? |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
racers551 said: Thigh_Tide said: I am talking about it not being a good series, rather, far from it. Was that not obvious? What? It is a good series. It's not, though. It's an unimaginative, shallow slog of a non-plot, worsened by a ridiculously bland cast and the dullest mishandling of themes ever put to screen. It's a heap of annoying tropes trenchcoating itself under cheap, moronic attempts at shock, all with the saddest lack of creativity in everything from design to premise. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
racers551 said: Shallow? What about politics, and fascism emerging in the real world is shallow? It's shallow, of course, since the only grasp Attack on Titan has on politics is an overly simplistic one. You're beaten over the head with predetermined, narrow moralities, rather than having any sort of quandry to consider. The trolley problem this is most certainly not. Furthermore, you calling up "fascism emerging in the real world" is just clearly nonsense, since the show is overt about being a pastiche of a certain more archaic ideology. Inferring that it's somehow directly applicable to modern society shows a lack of understanding you as the viewer have taken. Not to mention, the only real trope that aot has is the two guys, one girl trio. Well that's just plain wrong. There's an aggresive main character, a dead mother, a suspicious father, motivation by past survival/revenge, an organisation that fights the main threat with a "wacky" cast of comrades, the very concept of humans needing defence from creatures, and that's just from the first two or three episodes. Tropes are abound. In what show does the main character nearly die in the first few episodes, besides maybe black clover? In which show does nearly all the people we see die in a way that's not edgy? The fact that you immediately undemrined your point by finding an exception should dmeonstrate how flawed of an argument it is. At any rate, the protagonist "nearly dying" is just artificial. At no point was his death ever a realistic possibility, not when there's dozens of episodes left to go through. You're basically praising the potential of something that would never have actually come to fruition. And people dying in a "not edgy" way? Don't be ridiculous, every single death in the series is embarrasingly melodramatic. A teenage Goth would be more subtle about how dark the situation is meant to be. Cheap? That's a stretch. All the deaths in attack on titan mean something. Marco's death gave Jean the reason to fight for the scout regiment, Carla's death gave Eren, and indirectly, Mikasa and Armin, the reason to fight against the titans, and Mina, Thomas, and a lot of the 104 that died gave Eren the drive to fight back. All you're showing is that the show doesn't know how to give a character motivation without first making an even less developed character, and getting rid of them. Now that's cheap. No variety, no creativity, just "people died so im going to make less people die." What show is like Attack on titan, though? You're basically using a ton of buzzwords without context, and you act like Attack on titan is a carbon copy of something, when no one, even people who are really into anime/manga, can find another series like Attack on titan. A criticism you disagree with is not a buzzword. In fact, by trying to portray them as such, you're just demonstrating an inability to defend the show you hold so dear, since you're attempting to invalidate obvservations rather than responding to them. Secondly, bringing in people "not being able to find series like Attack on Titan" is an Argumentum ad Populum, and thus means nothing in favour of the show. Do they find series better than it? Sure, maybe, with LOTGH, Stein's;Gate, Re:Zero, etc, but something like Attack on titan? I can guarantee you, no shonen is like aot. Chainsaw man is good, but still not better, Jujutsu Kaisen, while great, doesn't have that compelling of a story compared to aot, and Tokyo Revengers, while great, and has that kind of appeal that aot does, as well as re:zero, still hasn't matched aot. None of this is relevant. You're just name dropping a bunch of other, random shows, but that says nothing about the single show in question here. Your point appears to be implying that Attack on Titan is unique, but that certainly isn't the case. It follows the beaten tracks laid out by preceding shounen series - an orphaned boy with a secret rare magical power inside? Needing to defend against monsters that try to destroy humanity? It's all been done before. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
racers551 said: Funny that you mention the trolly problem, because that's what they mention within the show for the main character, Eren. Also, what are you talking about? The series has gone from a conflict that anyone could get behind to a conflict so complicated that the entire fandom is split. The scale of conflict and the lack of depth are two different aspects. Though the scope may have increased, the actual thematic meaning of the show is just as inane and superficial. Firstly, it's fascism, through and through. It's not a model of any other ideology, and their Coup de t'at, where the military seizes control of the government, and where the survival of the many outweighs the survival of the few. I never said the show didn't involve fascism. I pointed out that your assigning it to modern examples was incorrect, since the show is blatant about alluding to mid-20th century examples. And where does your explanation of a coup come in, when was that in question? Uh... Most of these are not tropes. The dead mother trope is only really used by Disney. What? You say they're not tropes, then immediately refer to one as a goddamn trope? And even if only one particular company uses a trope, it's still a trope. How is it relevant who uses it more often? Not to mention, Grisha isn't suspicious, just mysterious. That's pedantic, virtually interchangeable, and still a trope. Also, I'd say the trope is the opposite, where the main character is anything but agressive. Say, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw man, Re:Zero, The misfit in the demon king academy, etc etc, where the main character doesn't act aggressively, or isn't inheritly aggressive. I mean, again, black clover is the only one where they have an inheritly aggressive main character. Most other shows done. Well that's just plain untrue, he spends ages just screaming about killing all the Titans. Hardly the most mellow of characters. And again, this is just name dropping other shows, it says nothing about the topic at hand. What? It's Attack on titan, a horror story. You want deaths and horror to be subtle? In fact, it actually had to be significantly censored in the anime, because of how much gore they had. I never said I wanted anything to be a certain way. You said it wasn't edgy, I demonstrated that it was, what I woukd have preferred isn't important. And it being full of gore is in no way a positive attribute. Thinking it inherently is would be rather edgy, since you'd be suggesting that "adult" elements, no matter how mishandled, automatically improve a show. The point of the deaths is to show the cruelty and horror of the world in attack on titan. This is a place where people you love die, and weakness has nothing to do with it. Because while people like Levi survive, which is beyond strength, people like Miche, thanks to sheer circumstances, died, being eaten alive. The entire Levi squad was strong, and yet they died just as quickly as they lived. That's just repeating what the show bellows at you nigh-verbatim. How does is this even supposed to respond to the point I made? AOT is edgy, this paragraph you made doesn't disprove so. What? If anything, Jean is one of the most developed characters that's not a main one. At first, he's a brat who wants nothing more than to just stay inside the walls, a perfect foil to Eren. But, as time goes on, Eren starts to be a foil to him, and when Marco dies, it pushes him to fight for something meaningful. What about that is poorly developed? I already pointed out that using other character deaths as the sole possible source of motivation in the series is bad characterisation and unimaginative development. Because you legit said a bunch of random words that didn't make sense, for the series you were describing. That is incorrect. From a grammatical and prose standpoint, what I said made perfect sense as a structure of language. From an interpretive standpoint, it still makes sense, since you have been able to respond to it. Once more, it appears that you think because you disagree with some statements, they "don't make sense." It does. Because people are already searching for another series like it, because the manga recently ended, and Re:Zero seems to line up with that. But that just isn't relevant to a discussion about its quality. Fans of a series will look for a similar replacement, regardless of whether it's good or bad. The question is, you're saying how the show is nothing special, and is bad because of that. My response to that is that not only is it special, but it's a good series. That's a gross reduction of my view. Attack On Titan isn't bad because it's mediocre and forgettable, it's bad because it's actively terrible. It's an infantile story in a shoddy world with an agonisingly worthless cast. Your response, if I am to take it as its word, is just "I think it is good?" With no elaboration? That is your response? I mean, that's surface level, and hey, it could be an Isekai. What is that supposed to mean? Seriously? How does "well it could be an Isekai" equate to anything of meaning? |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| attack on titan is heavily inspired by muv luv - the attack on government arc - the training arc, even the discussion about the need for training - the political stuff - the enemies - the parallel worlds stuff and some themes here and there, I consider SnK to be better but muv luv is fun in its own way |
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| serious question for Muv-Luv stans should i play Muv-Luv extra first and then watch this anime? or shoud i just play VN alternative? |
i fucking hate manga (keeps reading manga discord ~ ganjithedude |
| Surprisingly I wouldn't consider these 2 series that similar at all. I definitely do understand how Isayama did get his inspiration from MLA though. Both works rely on their mystery aspect using subtle foreshadowing for later on in the story. Both have expansive worlds/world-building. Both have giant mechas (in a way =P). However, there is a lot that separates MLA from AoT. The primary themes that each work tackles are very different from each other. While AoT's main themes relate to freedom, truth, slavery, and corrupt politics, MLA's main themes relate to adulthood, escapism, and love. This shouldn't be too surprising though since many people (including myself) consider MLA to be the spiritual successor of Evangelion. Overall, while there are some similarities, don't expect it to be very similar to AoT Also go read the VN I guarantee that the anime will be trash- GanjiMEX said: Yeah, go read Extra first. There is also a second part called Unlimited that comes after Extra.serious question for Muv-Luv stans should i play Muv-Luv extra first and then watch this anime? or shoud i just play VN alternative? Alternative the the final part of the trilogy. Tbh, I'm not sure if the anime will even be that good of an adaptation of the VN, so it's probably for the best if you stick only to the VNs. |
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| They are very similar There are a lot of themes and concepts that AoT takes from Muvluv. Personally, I think AoT handles them far far better and in a more interesting fashion, there is a certain point in muvluv alternative when everything becomes really good all of a sudden. I won't spoil it but if it is done right then it could become one of the most unique anime experiences. Although the trailer doesn;t look that good. |
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GanjiMEX said: serious question for Muv-Luv stans should i play Muv-Luv extra first and then watch this anime? or shoud i just play VN alternative? You might as well just play the entire series at that point because at least then when the anime ultimately ends up being a mess, you haven't ruined the experience for yourself by seeing poor, incomplete retelling of it first. Especially as the studio making this just made the disaster that was record of ragnarok |
Pluter-Jul 11, 2021 11:53 AM
Catalano said: attack on titan is heavily inspired by muv luv - the attack on government arc - the training arc, even the discussion about the need for training - the political stuff - the enemies - the parallel worlds stuff and some themes here and there, I consider SnK to be better but muv luv is fun in its own way I agree with this. Some arcs really gave me hard SNK vibes. Especially politics. |
| Kazuma Desu |
| Has similar themes throughout, but Attack on Titan is far better. |
ayaneru_inorin said: AoT and MLA have some similarities, but I feel like 86 (especially the LN) is more similar to MLA, with the Legion and BETA having many similarities among them (many of them are spoilers so I won't elaborate), and the portrayal of war being similar (war tactics, human experimentation etc) I love the 86 comparison. MLA is definitely similar to AoT in several aspects, but there's a lot more to it than that. AoT may be brutal, but it doesn't try to break your very soul like an authentic tearjerker. To me, MLA is like 86 and S;G had a child... then made the protagonist go through Okabe levels of suffering and added some scenes that make readers cry Clannad levels of tears. |
FlamepriesTJul 29, 2021 4:41 PM
| MLA and AOT only have similar settings and plot, but both are totally different stories, dont go thinking AOT is some kind of ripoff of MLA As for which is better, obviously MLA (I am currently reading it and I can say that easily), AOT may have some wtf moments but MLA itself is one big wtf |
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| Isayama if Muv Luv Alternative chapters 7-10 didnt exist |
| While Isayama tried to pull off a Muv-Luv at the end (and failed massively), overall the similarities between them are mostly structural and conceptual. There are several scenes and arcs in Muv-Luv that Isayama obviously took inspiration from but differ in overall context and meaning. The main themes are very different. As for which is better, Muv-Luv easily(The Visual Novel), far better portrayal of war, political nuance, plotting, etc. |
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| Way, way beyond surface-level, if you'll ask me. Tons of similarities, with the only difference being how those were handled. Case in point: AoT's handling of the political aspect is so rudimentary while MLA goes further than that. Go play the games to find out why. It's quite an experience. |
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Thigh_Tide said: It's not, though. It's an unimaginative, shallow slog of a non-plot, worsened by a ridiculously bland cast and the dullest mishandling of themes ever put to screen. It's a heap of annoying tropes trenchcoating itself under cheap, moronic attempts at shock, all with the saddest lack of creativity in everything from design to premise. This is perhaps the worst take ive heard from a Muv Luv Fan. If anything was a slog, it was Muv Luv Extra and Muv Luv Unlimited, perhaps the worst dramas I've ever encountered. The romance was very shallow as well. Not to mention the epilogue of MLA was pointless for the relationship development between Sumika and takeru, was thrown out because of a shitty epilogue chapter after MLA. If you want a good drama and romance story, Ef; A Fairytale of Two is miles better. You also talk about a bland cast, when Shirogane Takeru is perhaps the most bland character ever, his PTSD was extremely forced and unnatural, if anyone did the tropes of PTSD well it was Shirou Emiya from Fate Stay Night Visual Novel and Hibiki Tatsunami from Muv Luv Unlimited: The Day After. Takeru is also a very inconsistent character, whenever he confessed his love to sumika in MLA, it felt so forced and unnatural because 99% of the trilogy revolves around him being a dense generic protagonist (unlike shiro and hibiki) that showed no interest towards sumika. It hurts his character even more when you consider the countless girls he's been with in other timelines, which makes his character even more inconsistent. And you talk about shock value, when the infamous chomp scene was just cheap shock value, it clearly underutilized Marimo's premise as a character, something which TDA did way better than MLA. MLA has creativity, I'll give you that much. The tropes in MLA are much more horrible than AOT. Sumika the generic childhood friend, Meiya the new girl next door, Takeru the self insert generic harem protagonist, Blah Blah Blah, are tropes worse than anything found in AOT. if you want romance, go read Ef, if you want a coming of age story, go read FSN, if you want a Epic war story go read MLU TDA (though youll have to read the original garbage trilogy first) Znra said: Way, way beyond surface-level, if you'll ask me. Tons of similarities, with the only difference being how those were handled. Case in point: AoT's handling of the political aspect is so rudimentary while MLA goes further than that. Go play the games to find out why. It's quite an experience. AOT mightve had shallow politics I agree. However so did MLA. Chapter 6 was extremely forced, and had political intrigue that had very little build up and very little explanations. Sagiri is perhaps one of the most mishandled characters within MLA. The empresses Yuuhi is another one of MLA's characters that is underutilized, and is used as a simple plot device. Unfortunately, its view on politics is very shallow. However, not all of muv luv has shallow politics. Muv Luv Unlimited The Day After has amazing politics and fixes the problems i had with MLA. I'm hoping to see what TDA 04 will do next when it releases. my overall ratings? Aot 5/10 ML trilogy 2/10 TDA 8.5/10 FSN VN 9/10 |
You forgot to provide a rating for ef. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Sorry about that, and thank you for reminding me. Ef 9/10 |
| I find it to be boring, this anime at least compared to SNK. Similarities are maybe in the protagonists, but only in how unlikable the both were. |
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| The Muv Luv VN is great. However the anime, is not. You can call it and AOT whatever you want but as far as anime goes AOT >>>>>> Muv Luv Alternative. Its not even close. And since most people would only care about the anime here.. that means AOT> Muv Luv Alternative. Too bad we couldnt get an adaptation of 86's quality. |
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