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May 12, 2021 12:29 PM
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It's not uncommon for stories that aim to be romantic to have one or two "fateful encounters" (運命の出会い) where people meet against unlikely odds (you know, like "saving" someone in a train station where thousands of people walk past everyday).

That's alright since the idea is to make the audience feel as if "they were destined to meet".

But then you have anime like koikimo where the most unlikely "coincidences" are now daily occurrences.

The background setting is already pushing it: female MC happened to be in the same class AND friends with the male MC's sister, and the photographer friend happens to be hired for the girl's school events.

And if you were rolling your eyes with all the coincidental encounters during the school trip, I can imagine the facepalming during episode 7 (reaching exactly at the same place and same time for the same thing, TWICE in the same day, in a mega city like Tokyo... lol).

What do you think of the overuse of coincidences in this story?
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May 12, 2021 4:16 PM
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I don't mind it, it's an anime after all, I sorta feel that's kinda the point in the show, but it definitely holds it back a bit
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May 12, 2021 4:34 PM
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It's kinda necessary for the story if the characters don't live next to each other/go to the same school/work at the same company/etc. It hasn't bothered me so far. I like Durarara, so yeah... About the "destined to meet" thing, I like the idea, and I don't think it's bad if the main characters have multiple 運命の出会い. That solidifies that they are actually destined for each other and makes their encounters less cheap, not more.
May 12, 2021 4:38 PM
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It's a bit lazy... I rolled my eyes when Ichika met Arie, but it's not a big deal...

These coincidences are just the quick n' easy way romcoms in general increase the potential for drama.

Let's be honest, no one is expecting amazing writing from this show.
May 12, 2021 4:56 PM
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mazuchi said:
It's kinda necessary for the story if the characters don't live next to each other/go to the same school/work at the same company/etc. It hasn't bothered me so far. I like Durarara, so yeah... About the "destined to meet" thing, I like the idea, and I don't think it's bad if the main characters have multiple 運命の出会い. That solidifies that they are actually destined for each other and makes their encounters less cheap, not more.

yeah as I said it's a kinda common thing to insert in romance so the main characters can meet at the beginning, but I was talking about the overuse of such coincidences.

You say they feel less cheap, but for me it's the opposite. The more you use them, the less credible and therefore less engaging the story becomes.

You may think at first "oh it's romantic that they met by chance at the beginning"
But it's episode 7 already and you still have "destiny" having both characters meeting their love rivals just because the author couldn't be bothered to come up with a more imaginative way to push the drama.


LemmySalles said:
It's a bit lazy... I rolled my eyes when Ichika met Arie, but it's not a big deal...

These coincidences are just the quick n' easy way romcoms in general increase the potential for drama.

Let's be honest, no one is expecting amazing writing from this show.

yeah that one was even more contrived than the male pair counterpart, because not only they went to the same store at the same time, but also they didn't know each other and yet they started to talk, which is rather unusual in Japanese culture.

But you're right, I think at the end of the day we shouldn't expect quality writing from this show, so the expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
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May 12, 2021 5:13 PM
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skysurf said:

You say they feel less cheap, but for me it's the opposite. The more you use them, the less credible and therefore less engaging the story becomes.

You may think at first "oh it's romantic that they met by chance at the beginning"
But it's episode 7 already and you still have "destiny" having both characters meeting their love rivals just because the author couldn't be bothered to come up with a more imaginative way to push the drama.

Well yeah, that's de facto the reason, but what I'm saying is, if the encounters were made with actual destiny in mind or if you yourself think of it that way, the encounters aren't just convenient opportunities for the romcom to take place, but fate trying to bring them together. These two characters just have to become a couple and destiny won't stop making them meet until they are, which is more romantic than just romcom characters doing romcom things, in my opinion.
May 12, 2021 5:32 PM
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skysurf said:
It's not uncommon for stories that aim to be romantic to have one or two "fateful encounters" (運命の出会い) where people meet against unlikely odds (you know, like "saving" someone in a train station where thousands of people walk past everyday).

That's alright since the idea is to make the audience feel as if "they were destined to meet".

But then you have anime like koikimo where the most unlikely "coincidences" are now daily occurrences.

The background setting is already pushing it: female MC happened to be in the same class AND friends with the male MC's sister, and the photographer friend happens to be hired for the girl's school events.

And if you were rolling your eyes with all the coincidental encounters during the school trip, I can imagine the facepalming during episode 7 (reaching exactly at the same place and same time for the same thing, TWICE in the same day, in a mega city like Tokyo... lol).

What do you think of the overuse of coincidences in this story?

The episode 7 coincidence wasn't so bad. I mean, sure, the reaching for the same book was a bit dramatic but it's purpose was to be dramatic so easily overlookable. As for the rest I think there is a good chance that it could happen.

All four were people who likes that ln series and the newest ln book just got released that day so it's already established that all four would be going to a bookstore/animate on that day.

They're all students/office worker so they're only able to go evening ish after their school/work time is over. So thats the day and time set.

Only thing is the location. Ichika and that OL lady are both into anime and there's a specific vibe that only Animate can provide so they probably specifically went to an Animate store (no idea how many animate stores are in Tokyo but they probably went to the biggest one with the assumption that the limited edition special cover would still be in stock that late into the day).

As for Ryu and Kai, I'm guessing that the true coincidence is that Ryu works in the same area where Kai lives or the place where Ryu works is the area between Kai's home and school. Ryu seems like the kind of person to go for convenience so he probably went to nearest bookstore from his which happens to be a bookstore that's somewhere in Kai's en route home from school.

Sorry for the essay but was just trying to think of all possibilities and their probability.
May 12, 2021 5:52 PM
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mazuchi said:
if the encounters were made with actual destiny in mind or if you yourself think of it that way, the encounters aren't just convenient opportunities for the romcom to take place, but fate trying to bring them together.

I know what you mean. Guess I just prefer more creative ways to push the drama rather than simply relying on the "hand of God" (a.k.a. the author) to have all those unlikely situations in every episode. It's alright anyway, just a matter of preferences I think.


lazymundane said:
Sorry for the essay but was just trying to think of all possibilities and their probability.

lol it's ok. I didn't say "impossible". I'm hoping that after writing the essay you reached the same conclusion: unlikely, and leaves the audience to fill the holes with their own imagination/theories as you did, so most people watching would probably simply "let it go" and watch the show with the brain on "low thinking mode" to enjoy.

But as others have pointed out, it's just to add drama, although in a very unimaginative way unfortunately, but it is what it is.
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May 12, 2021 5:58 PM
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skysurf said:
mazuchi said:
if the encounters were made with actual destiny in mind or if you yourself think of it that way, the encounters aren't just convenient opportunities for the romcom to take place, but fate trying to bring them together.

I know what you mean. Guess I just prefer more creative ways to push the drama rather than simply relying on the "hand of God" (a.k.a. the author) to have all those unlikely situations in every episode. It's alright anyway, just a matter of preferences I think.


lazymundane said:
Sorry for the essay but was just trying to think of all possibilities and their probability.

lol it's ok. I didn't say "impossible". I'm hoping that after writing the essay you reached the same conclusion: unlikely, and leaves the audience to fill the holes with their own imagination/theories as you did, so most people watching would probably simply "let it go" and watch the show with the brain on "low thinking mode" to enjoy.

But as others have pointed out, it's just to add drama, although in a very unimaginative way unfortunately, but it is what it is.

Yea, actually I did come to that conclusion. A bit unlikely now that I think about it. But either way, I got to see the Ryo-Kai dynamic so no complaints from me! (≧◡≦) ♡
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Clearly you haven’t watched recovery of a mmo junkie
Just watch anime instead of looking at forums
May 13, 2021 2:20 AM
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skysurf said:
It's not uncommon for stories that aim to be romantic to have one or two "fateful encounters" (運命の出会い) where people meet against unlikely odds (you know, like "saving" someone in a train station where thousands of people walk past everyday).

That's alright since the idea is to make the audience feel as if "they were destined to meet".

But then you have anime like koikimo where the most unlikely "coincidences" are now daily occurrences.

The background setting is already pushing it: female MC happened to be in the same class AND friends with the male MC's sister, and the photographer friend happens to be hired for the girl's school events.

And if you were rolling your eyes with all the coincidental encounters during the school trip, I can imagine the facepalming during episode 7 (reaching exactly at the same place and same time for the same thing, TWICE in the same day, in a mega city like Tokyo... lol).

What do you think of the overuse of coincidences in this story?


The coincidences of Ichika and Ryo’s sister being classmates n close fris,and the photographer,Ryo’s fri getting hired for the trip are acceptable n thats how a typical romcom oughta pace..but the double encounters in episode 7 are kinda too much imo. What is more is that they even happened to talk to each other although both seem shy(Ichika n Arie) Albeit, regardless, it is what it is n I still love to watch koikimo.
May 13, 2021 8:07 AM

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Isn't that completely normal?
all animes were based on coincidences or shows in general.
May 13, 2021 8:15 AM
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HikarieChan said:
Isn't that completely normal?
all animes were based on coincidences or shows in general.

As explained in the first post, yes.
The keyword here was: overuse
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skysurf said:
HikarieChan said:
Isn't that completely normal?
all animes were based on coincidences or shows in general.

As explained in the first post, yes.
The keyword here was: overuse


There weren't really any big coincidences other than the first one tho.
The second coincidence when he saved her isn't exactly a big one , she was wearing Kimono which isn't used to most likely
3rd one about leaving her school late seems normal to me and can't even call it a coincidence because he always leaves work at this time and she just happened to be late one time.
May 13, 2021 8:46 AM
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HikarieChan said:
skysurf said:

As explained in the first post, yes.
The keyword here was: overuse


There weren't really any big coincidences other than the first one tho.
The second coincidence when he saved her isn't exactly a big one , she was wearing Kimono which isn't used to most likely
3rd one about leaving her school late seems normal to me and can't even call it a coincidence because he always leaves work at this time and she just happened to be late one time.


I have the feeling you didn't read the first post or the other comments in this thread to get a clue on what kind of coincidences we were talking about, but it's ok. You find everything perfectly credible so it's alright.
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May 13, 2021 10:02 AM
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Yeah it is an overuse of coincidences. But that’s kind the point of this show. It wasn’t made to portray a true to life honest to god instance. It’s a make-up scenario to depict to its audience what could happen from the author’s perspective. Just try to enjoy the show as its portrayed, don’t think too hard on it.
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skysurf said:
HikarieChan said:


There weren't really any big coincidences other than the first one tho.
The second coincidence when he saved her isn't exactly a big one , she was wearing Kimono which isn't used to most likely
3rd one about leaving her school late seems normal to me and can't even call it a coincidence because he always leaves work at this time and she just happened to be late one time.


I have the feeling you didn't read the first post or the other comments in this thread to get a clue on what kind of coincidences we were talking about, but it's ok. You find everything perfectly credible so it's alright.


I did read your post but forgot what I read after you replied to me , so I'll just stick to the first reply, but sure , as you wish
May 13, 2021 11:09 AM
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Meh. I don't really like when it's overused all that much if I'm being honest



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Well, kinda. You could argue that in Japan you go to a school that's close to home, and you could have the coincidence of Ryo and Arie's job also being close to their homes so that the characters may live kinda close to each other and go to the same area to buy stuff, but it's still A LOT of coincidences.

I mean in my birth city there is a particular place for conventions and stuff like that and everytime I've gone there I've found people I know. And in the country I currently live in I've had a few of those, for example, I've met the secretary of the math department I currently work at twice at two different supermarkets more or less close to my home. One of them being a 10 minutes walk from where I live, and the other one being a 10 minutes walk plus a 5 minutes subway ride. She doesn't even live that close, too (something like a 10 minutes walk plus 15 minutes subway ride in the other direction and somewhere in there). Edit: I just remembered and it's not twice but thrice. I also met her in a subway station. All that was before pandemics though and it was all over the span of two years.

It looks forced though that they find each other so easily and all the time in such densely populated areas and in such a short period of time lol. I mean, a few of those coincidences wouldn't be that rare, but so many piled together... If the main coincidence is that they live close to each other it may not be that forced but still...
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When you watch significant number of anime you will notice that overuse of coincidences is bread and butter of anime storytelling.
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skysurf said:
It's not uncommon for stories that aim to be romantic to have one or two "fateful encounters" (運命の出会い) where people meet against unlikely odds (you know, like "saving" someone in a train station where thousands of people walk past everyday).

That's alright since the idea is to make the audience feel as if "they were destined to meet".

But then you have anime like koikimo where the most unlikely "coincidences" are now daily occurrences.

The background setting is already pushing it: female MC happened to be in the same class AND friends with the male MC's sister, and the photographer friend happens to be hired for the girl's school events.

And if you were rolling your eyes with all the coincidental encounters during the school trip, I can imagine the facepalming during episode 7 (reaching exactly at the same place and same time for the same thing, TWICE in the same day, in a mega city like Tokyo... lol).

What do you think of the overuse of coincidences in this story?

IF YOU CANT TAKE THAT MUCH OF COINCIDENCE THEN I CAN DEFINATELY SAY THAT YOU CANT WATCH TEASING MASTER TAKAGI-SAN
THIS IS NOTHING IN FRONT OF IT .. IF!!! YOU ARE ANNOYED BY coincidence

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