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| This was the most shocking ep out of gou so far for me, holy shit. Never ever would I have expected Teppei to redeem himself but well with that end I wouldnt be surprised if he is gonna kill himself damn. |
| Snapping fingers has been set up to be synonymous with resetting a loop. It's pretty obvious why they went with that direction choice. Gou features a shit ton of loops, unlike the OG (heck, in Satokowashi alone we had more loops than OG and Kai combined). Introducing the finger-snapping is a great way to convey that a loop has happened in a very quick way. |
astroprogs said: Snapping fingers has been set up to be synonymous with resetting a loop. It's pretty obvious why they went with that direction choice. Gou features a shit ton of loops, unlike the OG (heck, in Satokowashi alone we had more loops than OG and Kai combined). Introducing the finger-snapping is a great way to convey that a loop has happened in a very quick way. Except from the times that the snaps directly affected the real world. You can't have it be a real thing and symbolic. And it is cringe. We didn't need that in the OG or even before Nekodamashi. If the viewer doesn't have the mental capacity to understand when a loop happens then who is this aimed at? |
| Don't know why /a/ is losing their shit over teppei redemption arc, average episode for me, it's clear we will have more than 24 episodes so I'm excited to know what's the endgame here, 3/5 episode for now. |
| Nipah~* |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: Snapping fingers has been set up to be synonymous with resetting a loop. It's pretty obvious why they went with that direction choice. Gou features a shit ton of loops, unlike the OG (heck, in Satokowashi alone we had more loops than OG and Kai combined). Introducing the finger-snapping is a great way to convey that a loop has happened in a very quick way. Except from the times that the snaps directly affected the real world. You can't have it be a real thing and symbolic. And it is cringe. We didn't need that in the OG or even before Nekodamashi. If the viewer doesn't have the mental capacity to understand when a loop happens then who is this aimed at? We didn't need that in the OG because we had way fewer loops and each loop was preceded with literal episodes of irreversible events that get reversed after 4 episodes or more. In Gou, loops start and end in literal seconds. This is as good a way to let you know when it happens. >or even before Nekodamashi. That's because none of the pre-Nekodamashi arcs are in Rika's PoV. >And it is cringe. I find it great, myself. >Except from the times that the snaps directly affected the real world. And? >You can't have it be a real thing and symbolic. I can. It's an anime thing. Seriously, this is such a small and harmless thing to get so hung up on. |
astroprogsMar 11, 2021 3:44 PM
| -Broken immersion.. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s |
| Surprisingly this was unironically the best episode of Gou. I know that's not saying much, but i like how this is a concept that could've actually been explored in the original series. Out of all the characters the uncle was certainly the most shallow, so it's cool he got an episode to himself. No sign of Rina though. After watching Gou i thought Teppei was the best character in Higurashi just for being a hero and beating Satoko all that time, but it turns out now he really IS the best character. I'd die for tsundere uncle. I assume Satoko still has to die before looping, so the finger snapping thing is so odd. It's a good way to not bother animating a death scene every time i guess, but when they used that exact same shot of Satoko snapping her fingers over and over i couldn't help but laugh. I just find it funny how they're so proud of the finger snapping that it's even featured in the ending video. If we think about it in context, she snaps her fingers and then after that kills herself somehow every single time. I'd like to see that, it'd be comedy gold. We need Rika counting down her deaths on her fingers and now we need Satoko making snapping sounds, just so the viewer knows what's going on. It's like Higurashi for babies lol. |
| LMAO! I totally didn't see a Teppei mini redemption arc coming. |
BakaDood said: ssjokg said: -Broken immersion.. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s I don't even understand why you'really still watching the show or why you didn't drop it earlier lmfao This shoukd worry you tbh. |
BakaDood said: ssjokg said: -Broken immersion.. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s I don't even understand why you'really still watching the show or why you didn't drop it earlier lmfao This should worry you tbh. |
ssjokg said: -Broken immersion.. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s -Broken immersion... -fucked art and animation OK, but I think that's a you thing, not the show. I don't feel the same. -total disregard for realism It's a creative leeway I'm willing to give to the creators. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes Still remains to be seen. -random references that contribute nothing Sure, but that's what happens when franchises get big with so many works. Type-Moon does it as well, and IMO it's fine in both cases because it's just a nod to the fans. Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s Not all of those are "issues", is what I'm saying. And come on, nobody said that there's nothing with Gou. But just because something irks you about it, it doesn't mean it's completely on the show. |
astroprogsMar 11, 2021 4:09 PM
| Can't say I'm on board with this reformed Teppei, as I was always of the opinion that Teppei probably sexually abused Satoko on top of the physical abuse (There's like two pieces of knowledge that make it more likely but I'm not sure if we want to get in on this), and for such a vile person a few bad dreams is pretty unrealistic to completely transform their personality. The card game part is incredibly dumb. You're telling me she's non-stop committing seppuku to impress his friends? The probability of acing it is very low (won't bother computing but you'd use combinations), so one would need to kill themselves more than a hundred times to get it on average. It's hard to imagine anyone doing that to resemble humans in any shape or form, not any more at the very least. |
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astroprogs said: ssjokg said: -Broken immersion.. -ooc characters -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s -Broken immersion... -fucked art and animation OK, but I think that's a you thing, not the show. I don't feel the same. -total disregard for realism It's a creative leeway I'm willing to give to the creators. -fucked timeline -fucked themes Still remains to be seen. -random references that contribute nothing Sure, but that's what happens when franchises get big with so many works. Type-Moon does it as well, and IMO it's fine in both cases because it's just a nod to the fans. Right, I guess focusing on just one of the issues is my problem. Anything and everything can be whatever Gou wants it to be. Absolutely nothing wrong with that./s Not all of those are "issues", is what I'm saying. And come on, nobody said that there's nothing with Gou. But just because something irks you about it, it doesn't mean it's completely on the show. I dont get you astro. Other certain shows had less problems and, even if you didn't hate them you were more vocal about them. I dont understand why people give this a pass with "yeah it has problems but I don't care" attitude. Well maybe that is my problem, that I care too much. |
Auron_ said: Can't say I'm on board with this reformed Teppei, as I was always of the opinion that Teppei probably sexually abused Satoko on top of the physical abuse (There's like two pieces of knowledge that make it more likely but I'm not sure if we want to get in on this), and for such a vile person a few bad dreams is pretty unrealistic to completely transform their personality. The card game part is incredibly dumb. You're telling me she's non-stop committing seppuku to impress his friends? The probability of acing it is very low (won't bother computing but you'd use combinations), so one would need to kill themselves more than a hundred times to get it on average. It's hard to imagine anyone doing that to resemble humans in any shape or form, not any more at the very least. He specifically mentions in the original novel she's "too young for him, but maybe in a couple of years" which yikes, but yeah... I think what makes Teppei different from people like Takano is that he's just kinda of a one dimensional dick, so it's hard to shallow his behaviors and "redemption" I just couldn't take the episode seriously because it felt like watching all these fucking Teppei hero memes coming to life, I had a legit laughing fit in the middle of it. This just feels like someone R07 wanted to write in Matsuri's originally where all the characters are humanized, here it feels like a tonal whiplash . |
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ssjokg said: I dont get you astro. Other certain shows had less problems and, even if you didn't hate them you were more vocal about them. I dont understand why people give this a pass with "yeah it has problems but I don't care" attitude. Well maybe that is my problem, that I care too much. Aside from the stuff I genuinely find fine, I'm saving my judgment for a lot of Gou until it finishes. I do this because a lot of shows turned my perspective on them by things I didn't expect that happen close to the end. This also being an original show, instead of an adaptation, makes this the best approach. Unlike shows like ufoUBW, for example, I can't judge the moment to moment because I don't know where this is headed and if a scene's execution was better for the payoff or if they fumbled it. With adaptations, I immediately know if the staff fucked up or not. Not so much with an original series. So yeah, it's less that Gou is getting a pass from me and more that I'm liking what I'm seeing overall, so I'm willing to wait to the end to see if my hang-ups get addressed later on or not. > Well maybe that is my problem, that I care too much. Believe me, I care as well. I just don't want to form an opinion on a dish that hasn't finished cooking yet. So yeah, TL;DR. From where I stand right now, I find myself agreeing with a lot of your points and criticisms. But I can't be sure if the show isn't going to address those issues at some point or not. |
astroprogsMar 11, 2021 4:33 PM
| A Teppei episode? With one episode left? R e a l l y? "Eua" is not Featherine. Sure... They discussed the fact characters remember, change from what happened before, but not what the point of Satoko bringing it up was. I hope there was one. |
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| I think this could be a Tataridamashi-like fragment but we're seeing the events that happened before the looper Satoko got in this world so it's just normal Satoko rn (I thought like that because why would the +100 years looper Satoko be afraid of Teppei, she's crazy bitch lmao. Unless that was what they're trying to do, to make it seem like she's still human and traumatized after +100 years.) |
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| Teppei is Diavolo confirmed. This season is worth just for this info alone lol Edit: this is not redemption, what he has done is unredeemable he himself might have noticed that in this episode. Yeah we can feel bad for him and understand that he's also human, but that's it, there's no good he can do that will magically erased what he has done, that's how grave his sins are. But ooh poor Satoko, you can't have a certain outcome without looping an infinite amount of times but the more she loops the more likely is for people around her to also gain awareness of it which only raises the improbability of the loops making it virtually impossible to get the perfect outcome you want no matter how many times you try. Waiting for miracles even seems more logical in this situation, although making them happen still feels like the best way to put your effort... |
Primo_ItokoMar 11, 2021 5:15 PM
Jin_uzuki said: Auron_ said: Can't say I'm on board with this reformed Teppei, as I was always of the opinion that Teppei probably sexually abused Satoko on top of the physical abuse (There's like two pieces of knowledge that make it more likely but I'm not sure if we want to get in on this), and for such a vile person a few bad dreams is pretty unrealistic to completely transform their personality. The card game part is incredibly dumb. You're telling me she's non-stop committing seppuku to impress his friends? The probability of acing it is very low (won't bother computing but you'd use combinations), so one would need to kill themselves more than a hundred times to get it on average. It's hard to imagine anyone doing that to resemble humans in any shape or form, not any more at the very least. He specifically mentions in the original novel she's "too young for him, but maybe in a couple of years" which yikes, but yeah... I think what makes Teppei different from people like Takano is that he's just kinda of a one dimensional dick, so it's hard to shallow his behaviors and "redemption" I just couldn't take the episode seriously because it felt like watching all these fucking Teppei hero memes coming to life, I had a legit laughing fit in the middle of it. This just feels like someone R07 wanted to write in Matsuri's originally where all the characters are humanized, here it feels like a tonal whiplash . I've seen the VN as well, but to the contrary I actually think that TIP doesn't exonerate Teppei in that respect, if anything it might make the case of him molesting Satoko stronger. He does indeed say (or rather think) she's not old enough to satisfy him sexually, but then follows it with how her late-mother looked attractive, and that Satoko may look like that in a few years. The mere fact that he entertained the idea of a kid sexually satisfying him is abnormal behavior in and of itself, that's not a thought that typically occurs to smb's mind I'd expect. And we should also note that a lot of child molesters don't actually have a preference toward children over adults, they may even be mostly attracted to sexually matured people. The molestation is not necessarily for the satisfaction of a very particular desire they have, but simply because kids are more vulnerable to exert force upon, and they're not as likely to report the crime. As fucked up as it sounds, sometimes the reason specifically kids are targeted for sexual crimes is just for convenience, and Teppei is in a very "convenient" situation in Tatarigoroshi. |
Auron_Mar 11, 2021 4:57 PM
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| Is it really humanizing Teppei tho? He is being nice because he wants someone to take care of him so that he won't die like a dog at the side of the road. Even both he and Satoko recognize this. So just because it showed that Teppei is scared of something other than just Child services+police combo, it doesn't really change much. He isn't being nice because he suddenly wants to be a parent or cause he had a change of heart. He is just afraid of some possible consequences. I have a lot of issues with Gou but Teppei's characterization in this ep isnt one. It was the only reason that this ep was good. Not that it had much else but it could easily make me focus on some other bs, like him being at the right place at the right time to save her, as if stalking her. |
ssjokg said: -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Hmm, dude, you just summarised the whole When They Cry franchise, specially the first VNs(fucked art). We love that shit, it's all about the hidden lore, meta narratives and the characters suffering. I honestly don't know how people can enjoy this series any other way. Just embrace it. |
Primo_Itoko said: ssjokg said: -fucked timeline -fucked themes -fucked art and animation -random references that contribute nothing -total disregard for realism Hmm, dude, you just summarised the whole When They Cry franchise, specially the first VNs(fucked art). We love that shit, it's all about the hidden lore, meta narratives and the characters suffering. I honestly don't know how people can enjoy this series any other way. Just embrace it. For timeline i refer to Akasaka in ep15, not the loops. The themes were fine. VNs are books with pictures. I don't care if they are doodles. Those references werent taking the place of important details the show could have presented. Satoko's traps had physical limitations at least, not to even mention that she was somhow able to set up a trap with the chandelier in the first place. Someone activating anything with snaps would be an dellusion in the og VN. I am trying trust me. |
_Endless_ said: That was the weirdest and fastest character development/redemption in anime history lol I know it's probably happened within years and years of time-looping but still, it was just a couple of minutes for us. Also, it's weird knowing this Satoko is the same one that said goodbye to Satoshi and trying to destroy Rika... Guess she just reached that level of craziness or something. The same thing with that card "trick", just try imagining how many years and deaths it requires for pulling this little trick off just to surprise some kids for a couple of minutes. Also, this makes it feel that everything else that happened in these time loops and deaths was irrelevant and pointless. I don't know if it is just me, but the anime isn't doing a great job of showing off the time looping as much as the visual novel. All that being said, the episode was't really that bad and probably one of the better ones. Imo this was super well-paced; we already know full well what Teppei has done to Satoko in the original anime, and, rather than aggravatingly retreading the same footsteps, the director moves on and shows, rather than tells, us viewers how Teppei changes through brief flashbacks, body language, and his pseudo-tough guy monologue. The point of the previous loops, particularly the ones in the first cour, was to get us, the viewers, to figure out who the culprit is; Higurashi is a horror-mystery after all. They definitely did and have served their purpose. |
ssjokg said: Is it really humanizing Teppei tho? He is being nice because he wants someone to take care of him so that he won't die like a dog at the side of the road. Even both he and Satoko recognize this. So just because it showed that Teppei is scared of something other than just Child services+police combo, it doesn't really change much. He isn't being nice because he suddenly wants to be a parent or cause he had a change of heart. He is just afraid of some possible consequences. I have a lot of issues with Gou but Teppei's characterization in this ep isnt one. It was the only reason that this ep was good. Not that it had much else but it could easily make me focus on some other bs, like him being at the right place at the right time to save her, as if stalking her. He's definitely partially motivated by the fear of dying alone (Which I'd argue definitely humanizes him, piece of trash aren't worried about the consequences of their actions), but the episode clearly shows he's remorseful for his actions, like the scenes with bullies where he goes "Leave my Satoko aloneee" or the scene at the very end where he realizes how much his actions impacted Satoko and how much pain he has caused:   |
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Jin_uzuki said: ssjokg said: Is it really humanizing Teppei tho? He is being nice because he wants someone to take care of him so that he won't die like a dog at the side of the road. Even both he and Satoko recognize this. So just because it showed that Teppei is scared of something other than just Child services+police combo, it doesn't really change much. He isn't being nice because he suddenly wants to be a parent or cause he had a change of heart. He is just afraid of some possible consequences. I have a lot of issues with Gou but Teppei's characterization in this ep isnt one. It was the only reason that this ep was good. Not that it had much else but it could easily make me focus on some other bs, like him being at the right place at the right time to save her, as if stalking her. He's definitely partially motivated by the fear of dying alone (Which I'd argue definitely humanizes him, piece of trash aren't worried about the consequences of their actions), but the episode clearly shows he's remorseful for his actions, like the scenes with bullies where he goes "Leave my Satoko aloneee" or the scene at the very end where he realizes how much his actions impacted Satoko and how much pain he has caused: Well if he didn't care about consequences then he wouldn't hide Satoko and her bruises in the og. I see it as something he had to do because he is afraid of the alternative. If he needs several memories of himself dying to turn a new page so that he wont end up like that, what is good about this change? All he needs is reassurance that he has avoided danger for him to just go back to the abusing Teppei we know. Well... If Gou had time, as in Satoko not fucking up every fragment, he may end up truly realizing his issues and reforming. But we know we won't reach that far. |
ssjokg said: Jin_uzuki said: He's definitely partially motivated by the fear of dying alone (Which I'd argue definitely humanizes him, piece of trash aren't worried about the consequences of their actions), but the episode clearly shows he's remorseful for his actions, like the scenes with bullies where he goes "Leave my Satoko aloneee" or the scene at the very end where he realizes how much his actions impacted Satoko and how much pain he has caused: Well if he didn't care about consequences then he wouldn't hide Satoko and her bruises in the og. I see it as something he had to do because he is afraid of the alternative. If he needs several memories of himself dying to turn a new page so that he wont end up like that, what is good about this change? All he needs is reassurance that he has avoided danger for him to just go back to the abusing Teppei we know. Well... If Gou had time, as in Satoko not fucking up every fragment, he may end up truly realizing his issues and reforming. But we know we won't reach that far. I think ssj was referring to the effects of his actions on OTHER people (i.e. having a sense of empathy) when they mentioned "consequences". The way I see it, the beatings he got in his "dreams" certainly did make him fear for his future, but it also was a wake-up call since it's a direct parallel to the things he himself had done. He got a taste of his own medicine, didn't like it, and started self-reflecting and re-evaluating his priorities in life, resulting in the selflessness we saw this episode. You can clearly see at the end of his talk with Satoko that the selfish wish of having someone take care of him in his old age that you're referring to is at the bottom of his priority list. |
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Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: Well if he didn't care about consequences then he wouldn't hide Satoko and her bruises in the og. I see it as something he had to do because he is afraid of the alternative. If he needs several memories of himself dying to turn a new page so that he wont end up like that, what is good about this change? All he needs is reassurance that he has avoided danger for him to just go back to the abusing Teppei we know. Well... If Gou had time, as in Satoko not fucking up every fragment, he may end up truly realizing his issues and reforming. But we know we won't reach that far. I think ssj was referring to the effects of his actions on OTHER people (i.e. having a sense of empathy) when they mentioned "consequences". The way I see it, the beatings he got in his "dreams" certainly did make him fear for his future, but it also was a wake-up call since it's a direct parallel to the things he himself had done. He got a taste of his own medicine, didn't like it, and started self-reflecting and re-evaluating his priorities in life, resulting in the selflessness we saw this episode. You can clearly see at the end of his talk with Satoko that the selfish wish of having someone take care of him in his old age that you're referring to is at the bottom of his priority list. I am ssj.xd Well we will see. I don't believe people like him change that easily. Takano changed but she did have doubts from time to time. Teppei was always kinda there for us to hate. I hope that at least this wont be another fuck up. |
| There are many things that I hate about Gou but this episode surprisingly wasn't one of them tbh. I've gained respect for Teppei and I'm kind of happy he got a redemption episode even if he's been scum forever. |
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| i think that Fath(e)rine Aug(u)stus Auror(a) = eua. It's a little of a stretch here, it seems so much simple and easier to spot on and very obvious, also the words spoken here by satoko and Featherine. Certain and miracles seems indicating there the might be the birth of both witch's. |
| Shiki is the best anime and unique with his style design, you can't change my mind from it |
ssjokg said: Rinkusan said: I think ssj was referring to the effects of his actions on OTHER people (i.e. having a sense of empathy) when they mentioned "consequences". The way I see it, the beatings he got in his "dreams" certainly did make him fear for his future, but it also was a wake-up call since it's a direct parallel to the things he himself had done. He got a taste of his own medicine, didn't like it, and started self-reflecting and re-evaluating his priorities in life, resulting in the selflessness we saw this episode. You can clearly see at the end of his talk with Satoko that the selfish wish of having someone take care of him in his old age that you're referring to is at the bottom of his priority list. I am ssj.xd Well we will see. I don't believe people like him change that easily. Takano changed but she did have doubts from time to time. Teppei was always kinda there for us to hate. I hope that at least this wont be another fuck up. Oh my B. Sorry; I've used myanimelist for years now, but this is my first time on the forums. The way I see it, this Teppei redemption arc might be a foreshadowing of things to come. I saw a comment somewhere saying how Teppei's abuse of Satoko kinda resembles Satoko's obsessive control over Rika. If that's the case, Satoko might have a similar abusive-redemption arc at the end of the next cour, which would be a super-ironic parallel to her abusive Uncle's redemption, a subtle and accurate message of how abusive behavior is often passed on from generation to generation, and a masterpiece of a happy (or bittersweet) ending with an emotional and thematic payoff. That's my hope at least. Either way, it's already been a rollercoaster of emotions. |
| I find it interesting how showing a couple clips of Teppei's miserable life and how he protected Satoko suddenly redeems him. Reminds me of those Abusive relationships. Hit your wife couple times, be a bit nice to her, she forgives you, then beat her again. Everything's fine because he gave you couple Choco's and said this is not the type of person he is. BakaDood said: Why not? Why do you continue watching this show which you apparently like?The people constantly shitting on and hating gou: why do you continue to watch a show you hate so much lmao fancyjasper said: That's nice and all but.But it turns out now he really IS the best character. I'd die for tsundere uncle. Uncle who gives you snacks one day, then beats you another... I dunno ._. Yo, wtf xD |
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| Wtf is this a Teppei redemption arc?! Just to make this clear, we have 2 episodes left, the whole Satoko is a looper thing is still relatively new and they make a teppei ep? There is no way this is going to end next week. So 12 more episodes? This ep just reminded me again how ridiculous looper Satoko is. Satoko who gets a complete mental breakdown when she sees her uncle and definitely needs Rikas help to get out of it is supposed to just loop like that without any problems? Lol Also Satoko can perfectly remember memory cards but learning a bit makes her go full psycho. Lol And Rika looping for 100 years doesnt affect Teppei at all even though he was directly involved many times? If anything this explains why we had to endure the first cour. PS: Teppei will never reach truth. |
Comander-07Mar 11, 2021 6:45 PM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Woah woah. I previously made the remark that she was unredeemable, but that was based on the assumption that the story was ending in 2-3 episodes. Now, I see this "uncle" as a final lifeline for her character to be redeemed without feeling forced. Let's see where it goes. As for her finger snap... she sure can kill herself without hesitation for the stupidest of reasons. |
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| Teppei episode was unexpected let alone to see him try to make an effort to redeem things with Satoko. Perhaps, it was born out of a desire to not be alone but at least it's a step in the right direction. I was confused why we had an episode like this with only since people mentioned that his will have more episodes, that clears that up. Somehow, I didn't expect Satoko to use her powers to even win a simple game, she's let the power goto her head. |
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BakaDood said: The people constantly shitting on and hating gou: why do you continue to watch a show you hate so much lmao For the same reason you watch a bad show: to learn how to not make shit. Learn from others' mistakes, but as a critic, you also have to lay out your thoughts to explain why it is you believe something doesn't work in the narrative or with the characters. The creator(s) can take it or leave it, that's all on them, but the audience wants to walk away feeling like their time wasn't wasted, that they actually got something out of it. Ryukishi made a wonderful world that is When They Cry, but 07th Expansion isn't all just Ryukishi, it's a team, and even the creator can lose sight of their creative vision 'cause sometimes an idea just doesn't work out or a change in mindset has affected the creation's outcome. Ryukishi is kinda like George Lucas in that he has ideas, but he needs someone to reel him in or the end result becomes a mess (see: Star Wars Episode I). And it can be a glorious mess, but it's a mess nonetheless. And I'm having a hard time figuring out if Ryukishi has been bouncing off ideas with someone with Gou which I think he needed if he wrote this solo. This Teppei redemption arc (if this is exactly what it is) bothers me because nothing about him shows he is deserving of it. Takano at least had ambitions the audience could sympathize with even though she went off the path over time with her god complex. Teppei has always been shown to be an abusive sloven man who didn't care for his family (hence Rina being his sidepiece and that he doesn't carry his weight around the house) and manipulated and threatened Satoko into being his slave. He even considered using her for sexual purposes. And he was involved in badger games beating money out of unsuspecting men. He has no redeeming qualities as a result, which is why it's satisfying to see him getting his head beat in. Now murder is wrong no matter what as we've seen time and time again, but you couldn't say Teppei didn't deserve what was coming to him. Satoko has become such an unlikable brat for ignoring Rika's out-reached hand for help and then blaming her for why she has no friends, is at risk of being kicked out of St. Lucia, and for daring to leave Hinamizawa, her pettiness and selfishness even after learning about what her best friend went through is starting to balance out people's opinions on Teppei despite him being an established monster. What started out as a meme has become an uncomfortable reality in the series but it's not an easy pill to swallow. And frankly, I don't think anyone should force themselves to swallow that just because Ryukishi wrote the script or one's loyalty to a favorite franchise. Never be afraid to call out bad writing when you see it, even from critically-acclaimed creators. The manga that's serializing simultaneously with the anime has served as a nice compare-contrast because it may all just be the anime director's fault for screwing up the script. I mean, that's what you get when you put someone with no past experience in psychological-thriller in charge of a psychological-thriller, but there's also that chance the manga may still turn out messy in presentation. In which case, that's on Ryukishi since he's the one practically directing the mangaka (through the script or otherwise), and perhaps the editor as well especially if they're the middleman. Holy shit these are amazing. |
Lil-BirdMar 11, 2021 7:04 PM
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ZMATRIX said: It's like a 99% that it'll be 30+ episodes instead of 24. It feels pretty much impossible to wrap everything in one more episode + this thread pretty much 100% confirms it: !!!WE ARE IN THE FINAL!! JUST 1 MORE EPISODE TO GO This is it the journey is about to come to a close. ok real talk is this the best time line? Probably not. !!!CANT WAIT FOR THE FINAL EPISODE!!! https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1904422 It seems we have 6 episodes (possibly more) of Gou left instead of just one |
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| This is really damn confusing doesn't Eua say that Satoko has to kill Rika before herself to stay in the same Fragment. I take it that her magic super paper finger snaps mean a death trap that's gonna fall on her head and kill her, but if she's gonna do that before killing Rika she's gonna end up in a different world - where the possibilities start to change and the cards will be different. Is Gou contradicting its own Logic? -- Some folks still don't understand that criticism doesn't mean Dislike. Everything has faults and if you don't understand these faults it means that you haven't matured enough as a viewer. These are the same people who can't critically look at themselves and correct their faults. Unchanging people who lack understanding of themselves. |
ChargecoulombMar 11, 2021 7:06 PM
| Hot damn, i almost cried watching this episode. It really hit me in the gut more than i thought. And I loved how they connected all of the mystery back to the beginning as well. The writing for this episode is definitely one of the strongest in the show so far. |
"Get your tentacles off me or ill make calamari out of your manhood" -Mirai Nikki Dub |
Chargecoulomb said: Wait, i think Sakoto's goal was to be in the same fragment with Rika so they can be friends.But Rika needs to kill Sakoto with the magic shrine dagger so she can live in a fragment where she leaves Hinamizawa.This is really damn confusing doesn't Eua say that Satoko has to kill Rika before herself to stay in the same Fragment. I take it that her magic super paper finger snaps mean a death trap that's gonna fall on her head and kill her, but if she's gonna do that before killing Rika she's gonna end up in a different world - where the possibilities start to change and the cards will be different. Is Gou contradicting its own Logic? |
"Get your tentacles off me or ill make calamari out of your manhood" -Mirai Nikki Dub |
| surprised to see episode where Teppei is trying to be good, looks like he got the donuts for Satoko instead of getting a watch for himself. just one more to go.. |
| Never would've thought I'd feel so much for Teppei. Dang, that was wholesome. And to think that this may or may not ever happen again in the next worlds, ugh. Really hoping his redemption can go far in the 'answer arcs.' |
| I don't understand what was the point of the card game. Is it, "I'm willing to kill myself over and over to get what I want"? Because we already got that in the previous episode. Other than being cringe with the smug Satako snapping fingers, it doesn't do anything and only acts as a filler. All Gou had to do was starting with the talk with Eua, which was a stupid name BTW, and be done with it. I'm more interested in what she did in order to kill herself and Rika in that situation because I believe they need to be killed together or something to stay in the same fragment. She had a bomb placed there or what? Gou's application of traps continues to baffle me, but hey, who cares about that? Let's redeem Teppei instead! The rest of the episode was weird and I'm unsure what to feel about it. Like, I would rather have "Teppei did nothing wrong" memes instead of actually humanizes him. At least, Satoko had an appropriate reaction so she's not a complete dumbass. Also, this just adds to the confusion of Tataridamashi. The card game was in Watadamashi, so it's safe to assume it's still in the same one but then it also contradicts the rule because a part of him being nice should carry over to Tatari, or at least his "bad dreams" did. And since this show won't end, maybe Gou will finally have the answers later on. Or maybe it won't, I don't have much hope at this point. Wait a minute, was that how Takano bailed in the first place? She did remember how Matsuri ends? I did guess that before, but... man. I was not expecting that to actually happen. |
| I'm not expecting that much for the last episode. In this one, I really liked to see a good Teppei. |
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