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Dec 30, 2020 11:29 PM
#1
Idk about you but I hope that the movie is the conclusion to the anime series. The novel was weird like Violet and Gilbert loving each other and stuff and it is just weird because isnt Violet only like 15 or something? Also, the ending even though she got what she wanted, it still didnt feel like a truly happy ending for some reason and I want it that way like how the anime ended with Violet moving on. |
Dec 31, 2020 1:56 AM
#2
Ive gotta agree with u... the movie was a beautiful way to end things in terms of showing how much Violet achieved during her career and life time. Gil x Violet r creepy fr, i know it contextually makes sense since it’s set post world war but i rlly dont want to see their love life etc LMAO.. if they were to release a special or another movie i hope it’d be on a similar timeline as the series or first film ^__^ |
Jan 3, 2021 8:16 PM
#3
Unalina said: Nahh, in the last movie Violet is 18 y oIdk about you but I hope that the movie is the conclusion to the anime series. The novel was weird like Violet and Gilbert loving each other and stuff and it is just weird because isnt Violet only like 15 or something? Also, the ending even though she got what she wanted, it still didnt feel like a truly happy ending for some reason and I want it that way like how the anime ended with Violet moving on. |
Feb 3, 2021 7:28 AM
#4
Violet evergarden is way better in LN than anime (if anyone want to know why then open spoiler at ur own risk of destroying ur perfect image of this series) Heavy spoilers from both movie and novels At the end of volume 2, violet was saved by gilbert (not by his brother as shown in anime). Entire gaiden and volume 3 stories was gradually showing there relationship progression, they were dating for most parts. At volume 3 ending violet and gilbert got married (edit- narration asked us to imagine their wedding. My translation got a bit wrong) . Even in kyoto adaptation movie ending, violet and gilbert got together, but in a very unsatisfying way. I have heard people saying Violet evergarden first novel is supposed to be cannon because it brought some award and rest is just fan service from author. Well then those people have to consider 3/4th portion of story is supposed to be fan service (they also have to consider both ending and beginning of anime as fan service as its present in volume 2 and princess Charlotte story and the first movie as fanservice too as its present in gaiden). In spite all these anime left out a large chunk from the LN - 1/6 chapter from volume 1, 4/7 chapters from volume 2, 4/6 chapters from gaiden and all 5 chapter of volume 3 have not been adapted in anime. A total of 14 chapters out of 24 were not adapted. Light novel actually did justice with both to romance and the concept of "moving on" better than anime ever could. Its not a 360 degree backwards in light novel as people think, the anime changes are what make people think like that. On the other hand anime (including the movie) could actually be considered as a 360 degree backwards which shits on romance and the concept of moving on. (I will explain why, below) I do know some people consider gilbert being alive as going back on violet progression in the story. but that anime's fault on how it tried to presented itself in chronological order. In light novel its not the case exactly, its more natural. Volume 1 begin with violet's adventure with going to different places for writing letters (oscar's chaptar) and finally we know more about violet past in the last chapters which include Major gilberts assumed death. This supposed to be the ending cliffhanger kind of thing. (gilbert never appeared until the last chapter in volume 1, thats a big thing to take into consideration) Volume 2 begins with we learning Gilbert was actually alive and faked his death. even the violet meeting hodgins in the hospital and joining CH postal company is present this volume. It ends with violet's reunion with gilbert. Did u feel the resonance in story, I makes more sense in the story that gilbert is alive. Because of how kyoto animation tried to adapt the stories in chronology along with fillers, this is what made people feel Gilbert being alive is against progression of violet. But in LN it not the case. Some really unfortunate difference between LN and anime which are disappointing -Lux Sibyl, a important character of LN is not present anywhere in anime -Cattleya and Benedict are a couple. There is a entire chapter dedicated to them. Anime destroyed them (with two timing indication/hinted of some love triangle between Cattleya, Benedict and Claudia or whatever shit was presented in anime. Anime was obviously more favoring cattleya and claudia together for some reason. Also in anime there was a filler character having crush on benedict) -the entire chapter of conflict between the 2 postal service is absent and the many past wars stories are not present or properly adapted. -LN stories are in a non linear style while in anime stories are adjusted is somewhat of a chronological order. But in this anime movie the content is made out non linear style (similar to LN, while being against anime's style). this movies content are not present in LN expect for lines taken from violet and gilbert reunion. -the whole Gilbert and violet relationship progress is absent in anime. -Gilbert is not dead in both anime and LN. But on LN, everyone except violet knows about it because Gilbert was faking it for her sake. In anime movie, nobody know gilbert is alive and gilbert is basically hiding in some far island. Hell, this coward version did not even come to his mother's funeral. There were always subtle hints pointing that gilbert was alive in anime (but in weird ways with not actual connection). On the other hand LN Gilbert being alive is more evident in LN In light novel it was more natural, Gilbert did that so that violet can grow as a person own her own. Even though violet did become more independent, gilbert was doing wrong by giving violet a fake sense of "Moving on". But by revealing himself to violet that fake sense was replaced by real sense of moving on. And They both did moved one both in personal life (having a great relationship) and professional life (gilbert become colonial and violet never left postal service and continued her journeys). While according to anime movie, violet moved on until she found out gilbert was alive. Then bam!!! regression happened, violet left her friends and the postal job, (basically everything which represent her moving forward) to be will gilbert (who also regressed, as a guy who choose cowardly remaining in some remote island as right option). I don't hate the movie...But it does pales in comparison with LN conclusion Lastly, I highly doubt kyoto animations decision of making gilbert fate ambiguous was to enforce the concept of "moving on". I probably think they did it, to avoid boldly showing "Age gap romance" of violet and gilbert (its not even because of weirdness of child and adult romance, because in LN violet was a adult since train hijack incident which was shown in anime ending). Even in the movie (where she is adult in anime continuity), they tried their best to avoid violet and gilbert contact as much as possible like only showing last 5 mins of reunion in the end (which I felt was a very romance censored type of reunion) and most of they happy ending was told through narration instead of visual. The narration at the ending was also romance censored, they never outright told gilbert and violet become couple, the narration told violet left everything to live in the island where gilbert lives. Ending of the movie was set in future- ann's granddaughter era where violet fate is ambiguous I am not sure how people who think anime is better could think like that. Do they still think its better after knowing spoilers? Or was it just because of half knowledge? I rest my case |
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Feb 6, 2021 7:05 AM
#5
They are happy now let them be! You might wanna read the LN. They are a little better imo. Also their relationship in LN's is explained properly. Yes the age gap is big but the way it was executed was done very well. Not all romances are passed on with a green flag. It was a different time and era so I tend to not put my now “morals” in fiction. They are happy and that makes me happy! |
Feb 28, 2021 4:05 PM
#6
Adampk said: I am not sure how people who think anime is better could think like that. Do they still think its better after knowing spoilers? Or was it just because of half knowledge? I rest my case[/spoiler] Yes, it is due to lack of knowledge of LNs anachronistic timeline and also your post was good spoiler. If hes alive then he feels like manipulator, pulling strings in LN as per what you said, but hes even bigger loser in movie, as per what you said. I am, among ppl, who would think; gilbert being alive shits on the whole premise of anime. Not have read the ln or manga, as anime only watcher [movie not included] it would simply ruin the show. And as per your spoiler explanation, the actual movie or ln content, done r anime straight chronology will make anyone fell that too. I just finished the shows today. And have decided not to watch the movie ever. As far as I am concerned, gilberts dead. violet could have met anyone, including a lil more grown up ann at the end and smiled. Thank you. |
Mar 6, 2021 4:20 AM
#7
The logic of "only first volume is cannon because it won award" baffled me. I mean, this movie is also an award-winning work too? |
Mar 24, 2021 12:16 PM
#8
Adampk said: Violet evergarden is way better in LN than anime (if anyone want to know why then open spoiler at ur own risk of destroying ur perfect image of this series) Heavy spoilers from both movie and novels At the end of volume 2, violet was saved by gilbert (not by his brother as shown in anime). Entire gaiden and volume 3 stories was gradually showing there relationship progression, they were dating for most parts. At volume 3 ending violet and gilbert got married. Even in kyoto adaptation movie ending, violet and gilbert got together, but in a very unsatisfying way. I have heard people saying Violet evergarden first novel is supposed to be cannon because it brought some award and rest is just fan service from author. Well then those people have to consider 3/4th portion of story is supposed to be fan service (they also have to consider both ending and beginning of anime as fan service as its present in volume 2 and princess Charlotte story and the first movie as fanservice too as its present in gaiden). In spite all these anime left out a large chunk from the LN - 1/6 chapter from volume 1, 4/7 chapters from volume 2, 4/6 chapters from gaiden and all 5 chapter of volume 3 have not been adapted in anime. A total of 14 chapters out of 24 were not adapted. Light novel actually did justice with both to romance and the concept of "moving on" better than anime ever could. Its not a 360 degree backwards in light novel as people think, the anime changes are what make people think like that. On the other hand anime (including the movie) could actually be considered as a 360 degree backwards which shits on romance and the concept of moving on. (I will explain why, below) I do know some people consider gilbert being alive as going back on violet progression in the story. but that anime's fault on how it tried to presented itself in chronological order. In light novel its not the case exactly, its more natural. Volume 1 begin with violet's adventure with going to different places for writing letters (oscar's chaptar) and finally we know more about violet past in the last chapters which include Major gilberts assumed death. This supposed to be the ending cliffhanger kind of thing. (gilbert never appeared until the last chapter in volume 1, thats a big thing to take into consideration) Volume 2 begins with we learning Gilbert was actually alive and faked his death. even the violet meeting hodgins in the hospital and joining CH postal company is present this volume. It ends with violet's reunion with gilbert. Did u feel the resonance in story, I makes more sense in the story that gilbert is alive. Because of how kyoto animation tried to adapt the stories in chronology along with fillers, this is what made people feel Gilbert being alive is against progression of violet. But in LN it not the case. Some really unfortunate difference between LN and anime which are disappointing -Lux Sibyl, a important character of LN is not present anywhere in anime -Cattleya and Benedict are a couple. There is a entire chapter dedicated to them. Anime destroyed them (with two timing indication/hinted of some love triangle between Cattleya, Benedict and Claudia or whatever shit was presented in anime. Anime was obviously more favoring cattleya and claudia together for some reason. Also in anime there was a filler character having crush on benedict) -the entire chapter of conflict between the 2 postal service is absent and the many past wars stories are not present or properly adapted. -LN stories are in a non linear style while in anime stories are adjusted is somewhat of a chronological order. But in this anime movie the content is made out non linear style (similar to LN, while being against anime's style). this movies content are not present in LN expect for lines taken from violet and gilbert reunion. -the whole Gilbert and violet relationship progress is absent in anime. -Gilbert is not dead in both anime and LN. But on LN, everyone except violet knows about it because Gilbert was faking it for her sake. In anime movie, nobody know gilbert is alive and gilbert is basically hiding in some far island. Hell, this coward version did not even come to his mother's funeral. There were always subtle hints pointing that gilbert was alive in anime (but in weird ways with not actual connection). On the other hand LN Gilbert being alive is more evident in LN In light novel it was more natural, Gilbert did that so that violet can grow as a person own her own. Even though violet did become more independent, gilbert was doing wrong by giving violet a fake sense of "Moving on". But by revealing himself to violet that fake sense was replaced by real sense of moving on. And They both did moved one both in personal life (having a great relationship) and professional life (gilbert become colonial and violet never left postal service and continued her journeys). While according to anime movie, violet moved on until she found out gilbert was alive. Then bam!!! regression happened, violet left her friends and the postal job, (basically everything which represent her moving forward) to be will gilbert (who also regressed, as a guy who choose cowardly remaining in some remote island as right option). I don't hate the movie...But it does pales in comparison with LN conclusion Lastly, I highly doubt kyoto animations decision of making gilbert fate ambiguous was to enforce the concept of "moving on". I probably think they did it, to avoid boldly showing "Age gap romance" of violet and gilbert (its not even because of weirdness of child and adult romance, because in LN violet was a adult since train hijack incident which was shown in anime ending). Even in the movie (where she is adult in anime continuity), they tried their best to avoid violet and gilbert contact as much as possible like only showing last 5 mins of reunion in the end (which I felt was a very romance censored type of reunion) and most of they happy ending was told through narration instead of visual. The narration at the ending was also romance censored, they never outright told gilbert and violet become couple, the narration told violet left everything to live in the island where gilbert lives. Ending of the movie was set in future- ann's granddaughter era where violet fate is ambiguous I am not sure how people who think anime is better could think like that. Do they still think its better after knowing spoilers? Or was it just because of half knowledge? I rest my case Thanks for this extended exposition and I agree that the anime seems to have done a lot of things wrong, for some unknown reason. I guess I will read the LN now ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Btw, I don't agree at all with the logic of the latter parts being fan-service, just because some people somehow inferred that from the fact that the first part won an award. Besides, I never heard of a case where like the latter half of a story is fan service and "non-canon". Brief spin-offs sure, but this is definitely not it.... KuroudoAkabane said: Adampk said: I am not sure how people who think anime is better could think like that. Do they still think its better after knowing spoilers? Or was it just because of half knowledge? I rest my case[/spoiler] Yes, it is due to lack of knowledge of LNs anachronistic timeline and also your post was good spoiler. If hes alive then he feels like manipulator, pulling strings in LN as per what you said, but hes even bigger loser in movie, as per what you said. I am, among ppl, who would think; gilbert being alive shits on the whole premise of anime. Not have read the ln or manga, as anime only watcher [movie not included] it would simply ruin the show. And as per your spoiler explanation, the actual movie or ln content, done r anime straight chronology will make anyone fell that too. I just finished the shows today. And have decided not to watch the movie ever. As far as I am concerned, gilberts dead. violet could have met anyone, including a lil more grown up ann at the end and smiled. Thank you. I could never understand that train of thought. If she progressed as a person then she would not revert back. Unless if it was fake progress or something. Besides, it is quite clear that she would never be truly happy without Gilbert. Their separation was so abrupt and without any closure that she would basically always love him. That being said, it's also the anime's fault for putting huge emphasis on the parts until Gilbert's reveal. In the LN they weren't that long relative to the parts after he showed up and the story continues for a long time after. Also, if you would have watched the movie, you would know that Gilbert didn't reveal the fact that he survived exactly because he felt like he manipulated her to be part of the war and he blames himself. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
DeadlyRavenMay 3, 2021 3:56 PM
Mar 26, 2021 5:14 PM
#9
Leonhart93 said: Also, if you would have watched the movie, you would know that Gilbert didn't reveal the fact that he survived exactly because he felt like he manipulated her to be part of the war and he blames himself. Which I didnt and I wont. but she was just a rando picked by the older borther off some battle, and given to him as a gift. as a weapon. why would he balme himslef and think -he manipulated her to be part of the war- when she as already a part of a war even before he met her? |
Mar 27, 2021 4:05 AM
#10
KuroudoAkabane said: Leonhart93 said: Also, if you would have watched the movie, you would know that Gilbert didn't reveal the fact that he survived exactly because he felt like he manipulated her to be part of the war and he blames himself. Which I didnt and I wont. but she was just a rando picked by the older borther off some battle, and given to him as a gift. as a weapon. why would he balme himslef and think -he manipulated her to be part of the war- when she as already a part of a war even before he met her? Your loss, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Let's just say that there are reasons for him, and leave it at that. |
Jun 23, 2022 12:39 PM
#11
Adampk said: I really have to thank you for this explanation. Feels like I lifted off a huge load from my shoulder. Definitely, I felt a bit lonely for that abstract ending of the movie. Sure, there are suggestions but they aren't enough to give a satisfactory conclusion where one of the major premises of the anime is its visuals. I'll buy the LNs and read them. Glad to know it has the balanced conclusion.Violet evergarden is way better in LN than anime (if anyone want to know why then open spoiler at ur own risk of destroying ur perfect image of this series) Heavy spoilers from both movie and novels At the end of volume 2, violet was saved by gilbert (not by his brother as shown in anime). Entire gaiden and volume 3 stories was gradually showing there relationship progression, they were dating for most parts. At volume 3 ending violet and gilbert got married (edit- narration asked us to imagine their wedding. My translation got a bit wrong) . Even in kyoto adaptation movie ending, violet and gilbert got together, but in a very unsatisfying way. I have heard people saying Violet evergarden first novel is supposed to be cannon because it brought some award and rest is just fan service from author. Well then those people have to consider 3/4th portion of story is supposed to be fan service (they also have to consider both ending and beginning of anime as fan service as its present in volume 2 and princess Charlotte story and the first movie as fanservice too as its present in gaiden). In spite all these anime left out a large chunk from the LN - 1/6 chapter from volume 1, 4/7 chapters from volume 2, 4/6 chapters from gaiden and all 5 chapter of volume 3 have not been adapted in anime. A total of 14 chapters out of 24 were not adapted. Light novel actually did justice with both to romance and the concept of "moving on" better than anime ever could. Its not a 360 degree backwards in light novel as people think, the anime changes are what make people think like that. On the other hand anime (including the movie) could actually be considered as a 360 degree backwards which shits on romance and the concept of moving on. (I will explain why, below) I do know some people consider gilbert being alive as going back on violet progression in the story. but that anime's fault on how it tried to presented itself in chronological order. In light novel its not the case exactly, its more natural. Volume 1 begin with violet's adventure with going to different places for writing letters (oscar's chaptar) and finally we know more about violet past in the last chapters which include Major gilberts assumed death. This supposed to be the ending cliffhanger kind of thing. (gilbert never appeared until the last chapter in volume 1, thats a big thing to take into consideration) Volume 2 begins with we learning Gilbert was actually alive and faked his death. even the violet meeting hodgins in the hospital and joining CH postal company is present this volume. It ends with violet's reunion with gilbert. Did u feel the resonance in story, I makes more sense in the story that gilbert is alive. Because of how kyoto animation tried to adapt the stories in chronology along with fillers, this is what made people feel Gilbert being alive is against progression of violet. But in LN it not the case. Some really unfortunate difference between LN and anime which are disappointing -Lux Sibyl, a important character of LN is not present anywhere in anime -Cattleya and Benedict are a couple. There is a entire chapter dedicated to them. Anime destroyed them (with two timing indication/hinted of some love triangle between Cattleya, Benedict and Claudia or whatever shit was presented in anime. Anime was obviously more favoring cattleya and claudia together for some reason. Also in anime there was a filler character having crush on benedict) -the entire chapter of conflict between the 2 postal service is absent and the many past wars stories are not present or properly adapted. -LN stories are in a non linear style while in anime stories are adjusted is somewhat of a chronological order. But in this anime movie the content is made out non linear style (similar to LN, while being against anime's style). this movies content are not present in LN expect for lines taken from violet and gilbert reunion. -the whole Gilbert and violet relationship progress is absent in anime. -Gilbert is not dead in both anime and LN. But on LN, everyone except violet knows about it because Gilbert was faking it for her sake. In anime movie, nobody know gilbert is alive and gilbert is basically hiding in some far island. Hell, this coward version did not even come to his mother's funeral. There were always subtle hints pointing that gilbert was alive in anime (but in weird ways with not actual connection). On the other hand LN Gilbert being alive is more evident in LN In light novel it was more natural, Gilbert did that so that violet can grow as a person own her own. Even though violet did become more independent, gilbert was doing wrong by giving violet a fake sense of "Moving on". But by revealing himself to violet that fake sense was replaced by real sense of moving on. And They both did moved one both in personal life (having a great relationship) and professional life (gilbert become colonial and violet never left postal service and continued her journeys). While according to anime movie, violet moved on until she found out gilbert was alive. Then bam!!! regression happened, violet left her friends and the postal job, (basically everything which represent her moving forward) to be will gilbert (who also regressed, as a guy who choose cowardly remaining in some remote island as right option). I don't hate the movie...But it does pales in comparison with LN conclusion Lastly, I highly doubt kyoto animations decision of making gilbert fate ambiguous was to enforce the concept of "moving on". I probably think they did it, to avoid boldly showing "Age gap romance" of violet and gilbert (its not even because of weirdness of child and adult romance, because in LN violet was a adult since train hijack incident which was shown in anime ending). Even in the movie (where she is adult in anime continuity), they tried their best to avoid violet and gilbert contact as much as possible like only showing last 5 mins of reunion in the end (which I felt was a very romance censored type of reunion) and most of they happy ending was told through narration instead of visual. The narration at the ending was also romance censored, they never outright told gilbert and violet become couple, the narration told violet left everything to live in the island where gilbert lives. Ending of the movie was set in future- ann's granddaughter era where violet fate is ambiguous I am not sure how people who think anime is better could think like that. Do they still think its better after knowing spoilers? Or was it just because of half knowledge? I rest my case |
Dec 31, 2022 2:09 AM
#12
I’m the movie when she meets Gilbert again it says she quit the postal service when she was 18. Gilbert wouldn’t been about in his mid to late 20s. Don’t forget, the era the story is based, ppl enrolled to the army at a very young age. I think that guy who has a pin in the movie implied to be her son? |
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