Attack on Titan
SaberHotMikasa said: You should have said that you can't understand well.Peeti said: Finally a person who believes and appreciate a studio that abuses its animators and staff openheartedly. Anyone who thinks that staff should be treated well is a white knight. I see your point of Money>health but he wasn't talking about himself so your one line "All studios could care less about you" doesn't make any sense unless you are talking about staff as you have already said that caring about staff is a weak thing anyway so you might be saying that. BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I AM KNIGHT OF KNIGHTS: THE KNIGHT. No need to reply because I could care less what you say lol SaberHotMikasa said: KyoAni, Ufotable? Even WIT is doing originals now which have more freedom in general.Anyways, all studios do the same shit. SaberHotMikasa said: Deg said anime industry as a whole as well not just Mappa but as I said that you can't understand well, so, it's understandable to me that you have skipped his posts here.Just blaming Mappa is ridiculous. SaberHotMikasa said: Why not? It doesn't matter what you understand or not or you want us to care about you?No need to reply SaberHotMikasa said: This is an final AOT season thread not all anime thread.Just blaming Mappa |
PeetiJan 19, 2021 11:04 PM
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SaberHotMikasa said: Alpha_Druid said: The thing is people don't want this to be a GOT S8 kinda situation where the ending of a great show is ruined. Granted it will be ruined because of different things but the status quo is the same. People are desperate to not see this fail and clinged to any hope they got before the episodes aired. Now that they have aired and they're out for the world to see, they make up excuses and even worse boycott any criticism or opinion. Now some people react in a different way. They accept that this season is inferior but to compensate for their anger and disappointment they harass the staff. They can't get over it. They haven't moved on. Some people like you and me have moved on and are able to see clearly. We are sure disappointed but we don't go harassing people because we're not that pathetic. Bro that’s hilarious considering you think Mappa ruined AoT & called everyone who likes the CGI a fanboy lmao like come on dude. Anyone who tries to boycott the negative opinions is a fanboy in my book. And I think Mappa ruined AoT. That's my opinion. See how you try to make it seem like my opinion is wrong? That's what I'm talking about. You're the perfect example of the toxic fanboy. |
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deg said: As someone who read some of the manga after watching the anime first to call this adaption medicore is just wrong. They adapt his story well while fixing all of the rough art. Now about the other thing you mention, it's a good question to ask but I feel people like yourself just want this to be perfect as you and others have invested so much into this series. You just want it to be treated well. I don't know what is going with Wit Studio but they haven't made an anime in a year. The production issues are becoming too much if you ask me if it took us four years to get a season 2. Granted some of that delay was due to greed on both the creator's part and Wit Studios' part(Their anime that rip off AOT). Th row in two live action movies no one asked for and some bizarre kiddie spinoff, and I'm left asking myself this, "Why isn't this series bigger?" should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening?  i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those |
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Alpha_Druid said: Koustubh said: Just for your information, things will be fixed in the Blu Ray version. Here's the message from Ep 6 director.  I don't think Western people and people in general look so ugly. And anime art doesn't look like Asian to me. It looks like unique anime style to me that cannot be found in real life. Last I checked, real people don't have such large eyes. Also that excuse of not getting used to the new art style smells like bullshit. They're saying this as if they worked on the previous seasons and now that there is a new season with a new look they're having a hard time adjusting which is as we know is not the case. It's literally a new project for them. Then why didn't they have problems with JJK? Why don't other studios have the same problem then? I'll tell you, because such problem doesn't exist. Moving on, the director indirectly confirmed that they were lax during the animation process when they mentioned that they have to fix the issues and couldn't fix on time because the number of issues were huge. This also confirms that Mappa themselves believe that what they delivered is not up to par. Now fanboys can't defend them as the defendant itself has confessed to it's mistakes. So here's the clarification, the original post is shown below, what happen is that there's a popular chinese youtuber channel that feature on AOT stuffs, the youtuber is aware of Cao's involvement in the ep 6 production, so they PM him to ask him some questions about ep 6 issues, this youtuber couple is pretty famous among chinese community for doing explanatory videos of AOT series and Cao is a big fan of them too so he willingly answered some of their questions below and please note the AOT chinese community concerned more about the flawed character designs issues in EP6 compared to CGI, especially towards the plump looking of Floch & Jean and Mikasa looking like Mankasa😑 they make a really big deal about the scouts character designs looking bad in this episode🙄, that's why the answers replied by Cao is directing towards the chinese fans concerns , he is not addressing this towards the western fans or other international fans problems with CGI or other issues.... Translation : Q: Good morning Director Cao, I watched the AOT interview before that Tomohiro Kishi sensei handled the character design for this final season. However in Ep 6 when the 104th Survey corp scouts return, many fans (the chinese) said the characters all look weird & fatter😅 , their faces all turn round-looking lol 😂 Do you mind to reveal a bit of why it looked this way in this episode? C: Well there could be 2 reasons of why the fans may think the character looks 'fatter'. 1. The fans are not used to the new character design. It is true that our new character designs lean to make the characters more realistic and solid-looking. Tomohiro-san character design has more of a westerner look and body built, it's a total different art style compared to the previous 3 seasons, so it's normal for the fans to feel weird about the new looks, the discomfort is likely the results of the change of art style. 2. There are issues during drawing and colouring process, part of the animations went off-model, we've been trying to fix those flaws in later stage but in the end there's too many of them to work on and we couldn't complete all of that, it's a shame & a big regret here, please bear with the TV version for now because in Blu-ray version the staff will usually fix those off-looking faces back. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhE6nVQtTw Hope this clears up some of the confusion people had 🙄 credits for this: @Hina9 |
Harsha1314 said: Alpha_Druid said: I don't think Western people and people in general look so ugly. And anime art doesn't look like Asian to me. It looks like unique anime style to me that cannot be found in real life. Last I checked, real people don't have such large eyes. Also that excuse of not getting used to the new art style smells like bullshit. They're saying this as if they worked on the previous seasons and now that there is a new season with a new look they're having a hard time adjusting which is as we know is not the case. It's literally a new project for them. Then why didn't they have problems with JJK? Why don't other studios have the same problem then? I'll tell you, because such problem doesn't exist. Moving on, the director indirectly confirmed that they were lax during the animation process when they mentioned that they have to fix the issues and couldn't fix on time because the number of issues were huge. This also confirms that Mappa themselves believe that what they delivered is not up to par. Now fanboys can't defend them as the defendant itself has confessed to it's mistakes. So here's the clarification, the original post is shown below, what happen is that there's a popular chinese youtuber channel that feature on AOT stuffs, the youtuber is aware of Cao's involvement in the ep 6 production, so they PM him to ask him some questions about ep 6 issues, this youtuber couple is pretty famous among chinese community for doing explanatory videos of AOT series and Cao is a big fan of them too so he willingly answered some of their questions below and please note the AOT chinese community concerned more about the flawed character designs issues in EP6 compared to CGI, especially towards the plump looking of Floch & Jean and Mikasa looking like Mankasa😑 they make a really big deal about the scouts character designs looking bad in this episode🙄, that's why the answers replied by Cao is directing towards the chinese fans concerns , he is not addressing this towards the western fans or other international fans problems with CGI or other issues.... Translation : Q: Good morning Director Cao, I watched the AOT interview before that Tomohiro Kishi sensei handled the character design for this final season. However in Ep 6 when the 104th Survey corp scouts return, many fans (the chinese) said the characters all look weird & fatter😅 , their faces all turn round-looking lol 😂 Do you mind to reveal a bit of why it looked this way in this episode? C: Well there could be 2 reasons of why the fans may think the character looks 'fatter'. 1. The fans are not used to the new character design. It is true that our new character designs lean to make the characters more realistic and solid-looking. Tomohiro-san character design has more of a westerner look and body built, it's a total different art style compared to the previous 3 seasons, so it's normal for the fans to feel weird about the new looks, the discomfort is likely the results of the change of art style. 2. There are issues during drawing and colouring process, part of the animations went off-model, we've been trying to fix those flaws in later stage but in the end there's too many of them to work on and we couldn't complete all of that, it's a shame & a big regret here, please bear with the TV version for now because in Blu-ray version the staff will usually fix those off-looking faces back. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhE6nVQtTw Hope this clears up some of the confusion people had 🙄 credits for this: @Hina9 I never talked about cgi though in this post. But whatever. The results matter. They could come up with any excuse/reason. What's done is done. Nothing we can do about it now. |
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Bruh why ? I had to bleach my eyes by reading the manga after this scene . |
  Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
yaegerist-15 said: episode 7 staff list: script: Hiroshi seko storyboard: jun shishido, Yuichiro hayashi episode director: Jun shishido Chief Animation directors: mikene kuwabara, fumihide sai, jinshichi yamaguchi AD: Michelle sugimoto, mizuki itou, hiroko komatsu, takahiko abiru, hironari asao, hideaki matsuoka, shiro shibata, miyuki honda, shinichi nozaki, keiichi honda, nao ootsu Yeah i was expecting that, what a mess, on a more positive note both shishido and hayashi are involved |
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Fax001s said: Idk any of these stuff so why is it a mess exactly ?yaegerist-15 said: episode 7 staff list: script: Hiroshi seko storyboard: jun shishido, Yuichiro hayashi episode director: Jun shishido Chief Animation directors: mikene kuwabara, fumihide sai, jinshichi yamaguchi AD: Michelle sugimoto, mizuki itou, hiroko komatsu, takahiko abiru, hironari asao, hideaki matsuoka, shiro shibata, miyuki honda, shinichi nozaki, keiichi honda, nao ootsu Yeah i was expecting that, what a mess, on a more positive note both shishido and hayashi are involved |
Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
shingojira-chan said: Fax001s said: Idk any of these stuff so why is it a mess exactly ?Yeah i was expecting that, what a mess, on a more positive note both shishido and hayashi are involved Too many animation directors |
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yaegerist-15 said: episode 7 staff list: script: Hiroshi seko storyboard: jun shishido, Yuichiro hayashi episode director: Jun shishido Chief Animation directors: mikene kuwabara, fumihide sai, jinshichi yamaguchi AD: Michelle sugimoto, mizuki itou, hiroko komatsu, takahiko abiru, hironari asao, hideaki matsuoka, shiro shibata, miyuki honda, shinichi nozaki, keiichi honda, nao ootsu holy shit thats too many ADs hopefully the episode will not melt too many ADs means more off-model drawings too usually because not all ADs have the same drawing style |
deg said: yaegerist-15 said: episode 7 staff list: script: Hiroshi seko storyboard: jun shishido, Yuichiro hayashi episode director: Jun shishido Chief Animation directors: mikene kuwabara, fumihide sai, jinshichi yamaguchi AD: Michelle sugimoto, mizuki itou, hiroko komatsu, takahiko abiru, hironari asao, hideaki matsuoka, shiro shibata, miyuki honda, shinichi nozaki, keiichi honda, nao ootsu holy shit thats too many ADs hopefully the episode will not melt too many ADs means more off-model drawings too usually because not all ADs have the same drawing style So they're trying to rush the episode by adding many ADs ? |
Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
| can't wait for this masterpiece next episode truly mappa cgi rivals WIT's |
| tbh this looks good |
| Attack on Titan ended with chapter 123 and 130/131 is the epilogue |
| @shingojira-chan the production schedule will keep on tightening in the middle episodes of any anime so this is expected imo @yaegerist-15 true BluRay corrections are expected for off-model drawings |
degJan 20, 2021 2:17 AM
yaegerist-15 said: deg said: do you think chances are high spend some time to hand draw 1-2 fights in the bluray? I mean when the final season is finished there is no reason to rush it and they could fix even some fights with more 2d@shingojira-chan the production schedule will keep on tightening in the middle of episodes of any anime so this is expected imo @yaegerist-15 true BluRay corrections are expected for off-model drawings i do not remember any BluRay corrections for any anime that redraws full sakuga scenes its always just correcting off-model drawings afaik |
yaegerist-15 said: deg said: me neither but maybe in this case, well someone can dreami do not remember any BluRay corrections for any anime that redraws full sakuga scenes its always just correcting off-model drawings afaik the compositing and colors can change too even background arts can be improve on BluRays like how they did with Madoka Magica |
yaegerist-15 said: deg said: do you think chances are high spend some time to hand draw 1-2 fights in the bluray? I mean when the final season is finished there is no reason to rush it and they could fix even some fights with more 2d@shingojira-chan the production schedule will keep on tightening in the middle of episodes of any anime so this is expected imo @yaegerist-15 true BluRay corrections are expected for off-model drawings No way, that would be way too much work, also they would't even have time since the blu ray release is not very far from the end of the season |
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Jockeys said: I don't understand why it must necessarily be bad to have so many Ads? The last episode of the second season had even more and I don't think it sucked. You are pessimistic inside if you already judge the episode on mess, I would have been more worried if it was a dialogue episode but with action episodes like this it is perfectly normal they already do 3DCG on action scenes so what they need 11 ADs for? the schedule is tightening thats why |
yaegerist-15 said: deg said: not everything, mikasa vs warhammer was 2d/3d they already do 3DCG on action scenes so what they need 11 ADs for? the schedule is tightening thats why the mikasa/warhammer was not impressive sakuga in terms of 2D though there are no super animators that done any sakuga on the last episode afaik except Sakai that is just an effects super animator |
Jockeys said: Ok but how can you be sure that overall the episode will be bad to see? You can't have it only for the 11 ADS, you can speculate on the state of production ok but it could still be a beautiful episode like Hero that had double that even, despite having the colossal in CGI did i say its guaranteed? i just hope it wont melt because that is the usual case on other anime with lots of ADs lots of ADs is a sign of a troubled production thats it plus this is a different team than WIT has |
yaegerist-15 said: deg said: dont have to be with every episode, wdy think hayashi mean that not every titan will be cgi? We know all mindless are 2d, so could he mean some shots between 2 shifters, "that" fight or the end fight (chapter 116-119)?the mikasa/warhammer was not impressive sakuga in terms of 2D though there are no super animators that done any sakuga on the last episode afaik except Sakai that is just an effects super animator who knows we can only hope |
PrasantGrG said: Looked through the staff list. Easily the most talented so far imo. Production health not so much. I think 2 of the CADs are MAPPA staff or Hayashi contacts (Garo, Taisho Samurai, Rage of Bahumut. 3rd one recently worked as CAD for Kaguya Sama S2. ADs are interesting considering one of them was CD, CAD and AD for Vinland Saga and Anicient Magus's Bride Another one has heavily worked with AoT as well. In S3P2, Key Animation in Episode 54 and 59, 2nd KA in 55, 57, 57 and Assistant AD from 52-56 Hiroko Komatsu is the only one who's worked as AD for this season and working again on this episode. Multiple ADs seem to have come over from Taisho Samurai now some episodes of Vinland Saga have awesome AD works so i can expect some awesome still frames of character closed ups then |
deg said: @shingojira-chan the production schedule will keep on tightening in the middle episodes of any anime so this is expected imo Can we expect the quality to be even worse during the final battle in WFP arc than it is already ? |
Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
shingojira-chan said: deg said: @shingojira-chan the production schedule will keep on tightening in the middle episodes of any anime so this is expected imo Can we expect the quality to be even worse during the final battle in WFP arc than it is already ? well looks like they are talented ADs here though if they have the Vinland Saga ADs and CAD joining them so hopefully the talent will overcompensate again for the lack of time but ye im still worried since more ADs is a sign of a troubled production on any anime what is WFP arc? lol i feel like im not much of a fan of this franchise by not knowing acronyms and jargons like that |
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