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Man Archer was bastard, but he probably knows from experience how naive Shirou is trying to achieve. Kiritsugu already failed once, he should have known about that.
SomaHeir said: Man Archer was bastard, but he probably knows from experience how naive Shirou is trying to achieve.
Shirou is very much aware of the impossibility of his goal so no he is not naive.
If anything Kiritsugu was the naive one for not understanding how pointless his goal is before it smacked him in the face.
Kiritsugu already failed once, he should have known about that.
First of all: Shirou has no idea of his father's history.
Second of all: Shirou and Kerry's ideals are completely and utterly different.
Lots of good stuff in this episode. Interesting to see Shirou reject the "sacrifice the few to save the many" idea of Archer, as that is very similar to Kiritsugu. Didn't expect Archer to attack him and Saber, after saving Shirou of his own volition. But Saber thinks "his heart is pure"... hmm. I see lots of development between of this in the future. Also wondering what those flashbacks of Archer were that Shirou briefly saw.
And there are two Assassin's, a real (big boob girl) and fake (samurai). That means we still haven't seen Rider.
Also wondering how much more Gilgamesh and Kirei we'll see this series, looking forwards to them playing some kind of role. Also to see how they've changed over the last ten years.
Time to keep watching and get those questions answered :D
Dude i get horny at the sight of Shiro getting sliced in the back. Bout damn time someone taught him a lesson! Not that it matters though, he still shamed Archer for not killing him. Boy do I hate Shiro with an intensity.
Wanted to watch UBW for a long time now. The original Fate Stay Night is what got me back into Anime and Fate Zero is one of my all time favourites. So far I enjoy it a lot. Tohsaka Rin is easily best girl and my favourite character. Shirou is okay. He doesn't annoy me as much as he did in the 2006 version. I know, I know, it's not a remake, but so far it feels VERY similar, and from what I remember not that much about the story was changed from the 2006 version so far.
The fights are obviously the highlight and they all looked stunning up until now.
Great action and engrish. The narrative committed suicide now that everyone can break rules in this war without consequence. Also, Shirou's plot armor activated again. How the fuck is this man still alive?
And now we also know that the "overseer" Kirei Kotomine from the church is useless in overseeing the holy grail war. Or he doesn't care about the "rules". (Apparently there are some, although the viewer was never told about them. Good for him that slaughtering innocent people isn't a rule, not that it would matter anyways.)
Archer says that Caster broke the rules by summoning Assassin herself.
Consequences for breaking the rules? None.
Shirou indeed is a douche in this episode for not giving appreciation to what Archer did.
Archer seems have gone through Shiro's ideal and he hated that ideal. Probably he lied about his dreams being fulfilled or maybe he's dream was a bad one.
Shirou would hate his father had he known his father's ideal.
He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame.
Am I the only one who gets annoyed at how all the heroic spirits so far (and masters) are so quick to dismiss a chance to eliminate their opponent? I get it how they're great warriors of the past and have a great sense of honor, but this is a battle royal. Just eliminate your opponent when you have the chance and don't call it a draw.
To be honest, I didn't expect Archer to want to cut him down Shirou right there even if their ideas are different cause technically they are in a truce.
Good battle scenes as usual from this show. I really liked the battle between Saber and the Assassin as well. Also, I hate that no one has died yet, we're halfway through this season and still no one has died in this war.
Archer's reasoning is ok. He and Saber could defeat Caster, but it would be nicer to let Caster defeat Berserker first.
This episode was awesome! I can't wait to see a bit more of Assassin and Caster :D I will admit though, I think it's stupid that Archer didn't finish off Caster. Like it would've been an easy kill and yeah it does annoy me but oh well? At least I get to see more of them before they probably get wrecked
Caster had the advantage in this fight in every way, and yet Archer still solo's her. It's because Caster doesn't have a one-liner like I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD
Speaking of Caster, I totally forgot that SHE was this Assassin's master. I guess that was always a thing, a possibility available to all servants. It breaks the "rules" apparently, but do "rules" really matter when freaking Kirei is the mediator for this war lol? So not counting Kirei and Gilgamesh who are not officially a part of this war, and Caster who wasn't SUPPOSED to summon a servant for herself, are there only 6 masters in this UBW route, instead of the proper 7? What about the "real" Assassin? Was Caster one of the first summoned, and in turn summoned an Assassin before a real one could be summoned?? HUH??? Dang, so I guess it really is only Rin, Shirou, Ilya,
Shinji, that teacher, and... wait who's the 6th one then? *searches it up because I forgot* wait, Kirei is Lancer's master in this route as well? Dude ACTUALLY took a part in this war, like officially? WTF, bruh who cares about rules at this point, Rin should just summon all the servants from fate zero at this point. Sigh.
Anyway, I love Shirou man. Dude literally almost got blasted into oblivion, but still yells at Archer let him go because apparently "he can handle it himself". AFIAJSDFOIASOAIFASFSH. And I get that their baka-idiot exchange was supposed to be funny, but you gotta think: what reason does Shirou have to call Archer an idiot? All Archer does is save his ass. Shirou says that Archer nearly killed him and Saber when fighting Berserker, but he literally quite SAVED them from Berseker then. I get that
Archer IS Shirou, as far as I can remember, but man, if I saw myself being that much of an idiot, I'd just let myself die right then and there.
I'm on Shirou's side though when he argues with Archer about killing Caster. Archer should've just try and end Caster right then and there. "She would've escape even if I struck her down"?? She wasn't able to dodge his bone of my sword attack when she was at full power. How tf is she going to escape when she's lying helpless and bleeding on the ground? Oh right, because the script says she can. Archer here is just making an excuse to let her go so we can have more fights in the future, because none of these fights are meaningful, so we gotta have as many of them as possible to satisfy the audience and not let them use the "not enough action" card against them. And plus, you'd save all those people put under Caster's spell. Oh but you gotta use Caster to get strong and defeat Berserker? What makes you think she won't use YOU GUYS to defeat Berserker? She has already shown herself trying to take Shirou's command spells. There's no telling if she will kidnap Rin as well and take HER command spells and thus control Archer. When you're in the moment of watching, it's all fine. But with just a little thinking, it just makes no sense. Archer literally says that if Caster wins, the damage would be catastrophic. So why'd you let her freaking go then man, what would be sacrificing all those people which would just make her stronger do in turn then, they'll just be making her stronger, and thus making her more likely to win. Is it for the thing he mentioned earlier, that only she could defeat Berserker? Does he think Berserker's master would make an even worse wish than Caster's, who is breaking rules and letting innocent people die? F*ck me man. Archer says that it's best to kill the master, but why not just kill Caster right then and there and take the master out of the war? Is it because he fears Caster's master entering a future war and thus having it all been for naught? Archer is almost Kiritsugu's spitting image, sacrificing people for the greater good. Idk man, I still think ending Caster would already be enough for the greater good. Find some other way to take down Berserker.
We get somewhat of plot twist at the end as Archer tries(?) to kill Shirou. Now I forget what happens at the end of this, and what Archer's true intentions were, but man, what would happen if he actually DID kill Shirou? Was he really trying to end him? Well if he was, he sure has done as sloppy as a job as Lancer and Rider. Archer swings at Shirou to chop his head off, but misses, literally because Shirou, trips. SCRIPT WRITING 101
Well it's a good thing Assassin turned out to be quite honourable, or maybe he was just looking for a really good fight. Because otherwise, Shirou and Saber would've gone bye bye. I like how we see more of that King of Knights-Saber that we know from fate zero, instead of the waifu version she mostly is here in fate stay night.
You know, I am actually really curious now as to what happened in the first 3 holy grail wars. We know what happens in the 4th one, which is Fate Zero. But the first 3, what the heck kind of wishes were made there, if the grail really could grant ANYTHING? Was it really fortunate that it was one by just, honourable people, and thus the world is not on fire? Or is
the grail, as is seen in fate zero, just a massive dick and not actually capable of granting any wish in the first place, just merely scamming 7 masters and their servants to offer themselves up as a blood sacrifice?
This episode makes me a bit confused on the goals and stuff of some of the characters, but otherwise there were 3 awesome fights.
- Saber vs Assassin was amazing like last time. No 10 minute charge up for excalibur, in fact, no excalibur at all. I like it.
- Caster's true magic looks so cool in this.
- Lol Archer really just drop kicked Shirou to safety
- The dynamic between Saber and Assassin is very similar to her relationship with Lancer in Zero
- "You two a very similar" "You will be as skilled as him in time" LMAO
- Heres where it gets confusing, why did Archer let her go?
- Why did Archer hurt Shirou?
- Assassin protects Shirou and Saber, how cute
- The 5 second fight between Archer and Assassin was so very satisfying
Dang Archer attacking Shirou was not expected at all!
Great Episode,just wished that they would have shown what happens between the Katana guy and Archer, but it's a great cliffhanger for the next episode. I didn't see there was more after the ED on this episode, I take back what I said.
I don’t agree with what Archer saying but Shirou was just unbearable for half of the episode. I hope he change his way of speaking about his ideals. Both of their ideas has their own problems