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Jun 6, 2020 2:45 PM

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Akagi-kun said:
It's no bad that at least someone likes it.


Indeed. I for one, don't mind this ending.
Jun 6, 2020 4:35 PM

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madoy said:
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Wonder how they'll end it...

With another time skip and pregnant Hina.


Bruh that would be amazing lmao

it'll be the perfect way to end this trash can't wait for the salt when the final chapter drops
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My dude, please, add some spacing to that post else even if you got some interesting things to say, it's just painful to read!

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Akagi-kun said:
It's no bad that at least someone likes it.


I'm not the biggest fan of the execution itself, but then again many manga & anime botch it when it comes to the ending so eh, pretty accustomed to it. However, as long as the conclusion the characters reach makes sense based on what's been previously established, I'm fine with it so I've no issue with that for DomeKano.

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Overdramatic fanbase, the discord created for the manga series is a cesspool of hina fans who would kill anyone who dares go against them


Bruh please.... it only looks like there's more Hina fans lately as the Rui ones left during the recent chapters. Besides that, the DnK subreddit is the biggest echo chamber of Rui fans that do exactly what you said and a decent chunk of the remaining Hina fans there ain't much better as a few months back they also baby-raged at the author on twitter for reasons as dumb as the ones Rui fans are now raging.

At least those in the discord have actual discussions, often even having handy pages & stitches of chapters from the manga to back-up their arguments and have understood it better than most. Though of course, if you're talking about casual-chat there, then it's a meme fiesta, lol.

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Was considering reading through the rest of DnK after it completed....but these reactions are telling me that would be a waste of time.
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84DaysWithout said:
Was considering reading through the rest of DnK after it completed....but these reactions are telling me that would be a waste of time.


It's worth it if you act like the last 30-40 chapters don't exist lol.

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84DaysWithout said:
Was considering reading through the rest of DnK after it completed....but these reactions are telling me that would be a waste of time.


It's worth it depending on who you like
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84DaysWithout said:
Was considering reading through the rest of DnK after it completed....but these reactions are telling me that would be a waste of time.


It worths every damn second.
Jun 7, 2020 9:45 PM
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Neutral fan since I never really liked any of them. But fuck this ending. Its beyond shit. Like it never was good but it was enjoyable. But this simply isnt a good ending. 200+ chapters of development gone in a second for a fucking car crash. Rui has serious problems mentally. I genuinely hope Natsuo fails at life. Hina fans celebrating one of the most shit wins I've seen. Too Rui fans, I feel bad for yall, you guys got cucked. I'm not mad about that Hina won but its why and how she won that's bullshit. I really hope sasuga doesnt make a new manga. Only good thing about domekano, is the opening that it introduced me to Minami.
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madoy said:
Interesting that now she complains she gets hate mainly from foreign fans.
Are Japanese happy with the ending or they're just polite enough not to trash talk author?

It seems not only overseas people don't like it
https://twitter.com/hirasindao/status/1269658031446306817
Jun 8, 2020 7:32 AM

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Akagi-kun said:
madoy said:
Interesting that now she complains she gets hate mainly from foreign fans.
Are Japanese happy with the ending or they're just polite enough not to trash talk author?

It seems not only overseas people don't like it
https://twitter.com/hirasindao/status/1269658031446306817


It's mainly foreigns, obviously there are also some Japanese.
Jun 8, 2020 8:57 AM
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Level5-1996 said:
Akagi-kun said:

It seems not only overseas people don't like it
https://twitter.com/hirasindao/status/1269658031446306817


It's mainly foreigns, obviously there are also some Japanese.


No one like this ending, not even Japanese fans.
And this is demonstrated by the drastic drop in sales of the last volume released.
The only difference is that the Japanese, instead of aggressively attacking the author as the fans of Hina and Rui do, congratulate her for the end of her work and simply stop supporting her, it's not in their culture to disrespect anyone.
And if they complain, they do it on their profile, just look for the Japanese hashtag.
But, no.
Nobody likes this ending, because it doesn't make any logical sense, if you like it, because you're Hina fan and all you need to do is see Hina win, that's fine, to each his own, I honestly prefer to read stories that make sense, rather than being okay with anything, even my character ruined, just to see her win and start bragging about it on socials.
We have different needs.
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Fuminon said:
Level5-1996 said:


It's mainly foreigns, obviously there are also some Japanese.


No one like this ending, not even Japanese fans.
And this is demonstrated by the drastic drop in sales of the last volume released.
The only difference is that the Japanese, instead of aggressively attacking the author as the fans of Hina and Rui do, congratulate her for the end of her work and simply stop supporting her, it's not in their culture to disrespect anyone.
And if they complain, they do it on their profile, just look for the Japanese hashtag.
But, no.
Nobody likes this ending, because it doesn't make any logical sense, if you like it, because you're Hina fan and all you need to do is see Hina win, that's fine, to each his own, I honestly prefer to read stories that make sense, rather than being okay with anything, even my character ruined, just to see her win and start bragging about it on socials.
We have different needs.


1- Yes, we have different needs, for example I didn't have the need to complain or discredit the author or the other fans when 'my ship' was apparently losing.

2- Almost none of you judge It impartially.
They all come with that of the 200+ chapter development when anyone with a little silk intellect realizes that it is not true.

3- It is true that the final arc should not be so short and poorly developed. But that was the only mistake(maybe because of external factors like magazine pressure to finish it in x chapters idk), as @ManlyTear said there are million reasons wich conduct to this ending, It was pretty predictable. The execution of this was not good, but that does not make it the worst writing in the world, only salty people do that disguising their displeasure in the writing quality.
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Level5-1996 said:
Fuminon said:


No one like this ending, not even Japanese fans.
And this is demonstrated by the drastic drop in sales of the last volume released.
The only difference is that the Japanese, instead of aggressively attacking the author as the fans of Hina and Rui do, congratulate her for the end of her work and simply stop supporting her, it's not in their culture to disrespect anyone.
And if they complain, they do it on their profile, just look for the Japanese hashtag.
But, no.
Nobody likes this ending, because it doesn't make any logical sense, if you like it, because you're Hina fan and all you need to do is see Hina win, that's fine, to each his own, I honestly prefer to read stories that make sense, rather than being okay with anything, even my character ruined, just to see her win and start bragging about it on socials.
We have different needs.


1- Yes, we have different needs, for example I didn't have the need to complain or discredit the author or the other fans when 'my ship' was apparently losing.

2- Almost none of you judge It impartially.
They all come with that of the 200+ chapter development when anyone with a little silk intellect realizes that it is not true.

3- It is true that the final arc should not be so short and poorly developed. But that was the only mistake(maybe because of external factors like magazine pressure to finish it in x chapters idk), as @ManlyTear said there are million reasons wich conduct to this ending, It was pretty predictable. The execution of this was not good, but that does not make it the worst writing in the world, only salty people do that disguising their displeasure in the writing quality.


I'm really sorry but there is really no way to justify this ending, and I do not understand why you Hina fans act as "intellectuals", I'm sorry to tell you that the fact that hina won, is not the "consequence of your theories become reality" but of a horrible execution out of nowhere that destroyed, yes, that's right, destroyed, all the other chapters.
I don't know about you, but to me seeing a man get a person pregnant, tells her "now more than ever I can't wait to take care of you and our child" looking her in the eye, goes all the way to NY to get her back, and swears in front of his mother's grave that he's decided to marry her, seems to me nothing but a scumbag, and if this is "good writing" to you just because Hina won, you really have low standards, no offense. Anyway, Hina fans were the first to harass Sasuga' while Hina seemed to lose some months ago, and now they're kissing her ass,blaming the fans of Rui literally for what they were doing (not that Rui fans are right don't misunderstand me, but at least, don't be hypocrite)
Not to mention the fact that, under EVERY comment of a Rui fan that maybe, doesn't offend, but only exposes a constructive criticism to the author they start spamming "shut up you're salty hina won", I really don't think you can defend anybody

Anyway, thanks for the exchange of opinions, I'm tired of talking about this manga, I don't want to argue, you're happy with your victory, enjoy your happiness, I'm happy for you, I personally will try to erase this abomination from my mind ahah
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Rui said what Rui fans do not want to understand:


And they will never do..

Well, now say your thing
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Welp, here we go.
"Natsuo will marry Hina out of guilt"
HAHAHAHAHA
HOW I WANT TO COME AND LAUGH AT EACH AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO EVER SAID THAT
Okay, that's my venting done for the day.
This was definitely an emotional chapter. Haruka was awesome, as always, but that ending, oh man. I had it spoiled, but the fkn chills ran down my spine like usain bolt on crack.
I just wanna see Natsuo's reaction, as well as Hina's when she learns of the situation...
None of that Rui x Nat at the last moment, sorry Rui x Nat shippers, that ship sunk a while ago!
Marinate1016 said:
Yo let’s fucking goooooo. Hina SZN. Rui fans and the subreddit will be in shambles now. We’ve been telling y’all for months now the story was clearly written to set up a confrontation between Hina and Natsuo where they have to confront their feelings for each other. Instead of listening to us, we were just downvoted and called crazy. “Rui good hina bad” Everything natsu has today is a result of Hina’s love, support and encouragement. This is the perfect end to one of my fave mangas.

It’ll be funny to see the rui fans who try to shit on sasuga’s writing and the ending after months of attacking Hina fans for doing the same lol.


Don't ya love it when an author doesn't care about spoon-feeding the story to the masses and step-by-step debunks EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. of Rui stans' fan-fiction theories?

I totally agree, i just didnt like the way it went down, this had to be done way earlier, but Hina was always the best girl! xD
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Fuminon said:
Level5-1996 said:


1- Yes, we have different needs, for example I didn't have the need to complain or discredit the author or the other fans when 'my ship' was apparently losing.

2- Almost none of you judge It impartially.
They all come with that of the 200+ chapter development when anyone with a little silk intellect realizes that it is not true.

3- It is true that the final arc should not be so short and poorly developed. But that was the only mistake(maybe because of external factors like magazine pressure to finish it in x chapters idk), as @ManlyTear said there are million reasons wich conduct to this ending, It was pretty predictable. The execution of this was not good, but that does not make it the worst writing in the world, only salty people do that disguising their displeasure in the writing quality.


I'm really sorry but there is really no way to justify this ending, and I do not understand why you Hina fans act as "intellectuals", I'm sorry to tell you that the fact that hina won, is not the "consequence of your theories become reality" but of a horrible execution out of nowhere that destroyed, yes, that's right, destroyed, all the other chapters.
I don't know about you, but to me seeing a man get a person pregnant, tells her "now more than ever I can't wait to take care of you and our child" looking her in the eye, goes all the way to NY to get her back, and swears in front of his mother's grave that he's decided to marry her, seems to me nothing but a scumbag, and if this is "good writing" to you just because Hina won, you really have low standards, no offense. Anyway, Hina fans were the first to harass Sasuga' while Hina seemed to lose some months ago, and now they're kissing her ass,blaming the fans of Rui literally for what they were doing (not that Rui fans are right don't misunderstand me, but at least, don't be hypocrite)
Not to mention the fact that, under EVERY comment of a Rui fan that maybe, doesn't offend, but only exposes a constructive criticism to the author they start spamming "shut up you're salty hina won", I really don't think you can defend anybody

Anyway, thanks for the exchange of opinions, I'm tired of talking about this manga, I don't want to argue, you're happy with your victory, enjoy your happiness, I'm happy for you, I personally will try to erase this abomination from my mind ahah


Without getting into the discussion of the MC choosing, the reasons that apparently you are not willing to accept, etc and going straight to the writing.

I do not think that the quality of the writing translates into what you can judge in the morale of the characters in it. I mean, it's only good writing if the MC is the best at making decisions, does everything that is morally accepted, and reaches the end without making any mistakes?
I mean much worse abominations happen in the world to be scared that Nat married another after having a child due to a faulty condom.

Whatever, I just wanted to say that. Thanks for the exchanging of opinions too, I am sure you will find more series of your liking very quickly.
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ManlyTear said:


My dude, please, add some spacing to that post else even if you got some interesting things to say, it's just painful to read!

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Akagi-kun said:
It's no bad that at least someone likes it.


I'm not the biggest fan of the execution itself, but then again many manga & anime botch it when it comes to the ending so eh, pretty accustomed to it. However, as long as the conclusion the characters reach makes sense based on what's been previously established, I'm fine with it so I've no issue with that for DomeKano.

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Overdramatic fanbase, the discord created for the manga series is a cesspool of hina fans who would kill anyone who dares go against them


Bruh please.... it only looks like there's more Hina fans lately as the Rui ones left during the recent chapters. Besides that, the DnK subreddit is the biggest echo chamber of Rui fans that do exactly what you said and a decent chunk of the remaining Hina fans there ain't much better as a few months back they also baby-raged at the author on twitter for reasons as dumb as the ones Rui fans are now raging.

At least those in the discord have actual discussions, often even having handy pages & stitches of chapters from the manga to back-up their arguments and have understood it better than most. Though of course, if you're talking about casual-chat there, then it's a meme fiesta, lol.

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Ive been in the discord since 2018 and if you think they have conversations you must have joined the wrong one, they only got worse as the manga went on
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84DaysWithout said:
Was considering reading through the rest of DnK after it completed....[b]but these reactions[b/] are telling me that would be a waste of time.


It's well worth it if you read the story for what it is, not what you might want it to be. Which mean:

- keeping the ArmChair moralist attitude so many people are keen to take out,

- shipping goggles out

- self-inserting into the MC or the girls out, as they got their own pretty well fleshed personalities

It may not have the best execution, but it ties loose ends and is overall conclusive.



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I relate to those who want a harem ending, but at this point, I just hope Natsuo ends up in a car accident and dies. I really didn't want her to wake up from the coma, and I hate how the kid calls Natsuo 'daddy.'

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She's awake T_T

I'm so happy...
Jun 24, 2020 4:01 AM

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*Sigh* in some ways, what a ride. But this saved it for me....
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Super predictable but glad to see Hina wake up. Pacing in this manga was terrible but actually glad I went back to Team Hina.
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Fuminon said:


No one like this ending, not even Japanese fans.
And this is demonstrated by the drastic drop in sales of the last volume released.


Why are you lying and on the internet of all things where its easy to check this stuff. It's not demonstrated by the drastic drop at all because there is no drastic drop lmao.

Making the baseless claim that the sales have dropped when the figures were only released a couple weeks ago is hilarious.

The japanese fans recieved it better than us and the sales are essentially the same as vol 27. The sales figures have been released.

https://twitter.com/Sneakynationone/status/1298297671736791040 That's vol 28's week 1 sales, which is the same as always with this manga. So Japanese people clearly didn't despise it like you so claim and no a few tweets on twitter don't represent the fanbase, sales do and would you look at that? It sold the same as always. Sales will inevitably drop like the other volumes in week 2 and 3 etc, because its not a popular series to begin with.

Now if sales HAD actually drastically dropped like you so claim, fair enough then i'd admit people hated it, but they haven't drastically dropped. They clearly didn't mind the ending in Japan which is great. Hopefully she does another manga and I look forward to it. Also reviews are good on amazon etc, 4/5 stars. So all in all, its looking good for sasuga and I couldnt be happier. But please, at least back up what you're saying with proof.

I don't know if it is you, but if you're the same person that I conversed with on twitter, and called you out and was blocked, that had tweet after tweet whining to sasuga and insulting her, then I don't know why I expected honesty as the proof doesn't fit your narrative.
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I've always been Hina gang, but damn this feels so fucking weird. What a massive drop in writing quality this manga has had. It went from addictive to a borderline trainwreck.

Disappointing.


Literally feel the same way. I was team Hina all the way and I was so salty I almost dropped the manga due to the writing style. Definitely does not feel like a complete victory but in the end through what a wreck this manga was I am happy we came out as canon LOL

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reading this for the second time after a year.. this is the stupidest shit ever, so he dates Rui for so long and what? Somehow his feelings for her meant nothing. What a scumbag, honestly I didn't want Natsuo to end up with ANY of them, he deserves to die alone. His feelings have been so wishy washy from the beginning. Not to mention this author, Jesus Christ if someone told me this was some shitty fan created ending I would believe it, to think he built up this entire story to end it like THIS?!!
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reading this for the second time after a year.. this is the stupidest shit ever, so he dates Rui for so long and what? Somehow his feelings for her meant nothing. What a scumbag, honestly I didn't want Natsuo to end up with ANY of them, he deserves to die alone. His feelings have been so wishy washy from the beginning. Not to mention this author, Jesus Christ if someone told me this was some shitty fan created ending I would believe it, to think he built up this entire story to end it like THIS?!!


Funny to see that people have had over a full year to reflect on it and re-read it and this still comes out so often.
His feelings for Rui weren't for nothing, his feelings for Hina were stronger and always present, he just tried to deny it. It doesn't mean that he never loved Rui, he did. They split mutually and he finally accepted his feelings for Hina, and Hina did the same.

It's not a shitty ending, a bit rushed in some places, but when you look at the details, it all lines up. Natsuo and Rui aren't fit for each other, Natsuo needs a support pillar, and Rui is too independant to be that pillar. She doesn't understand his dream and what it means to him, so she can't relate to his problems related to it. Hina on the other hand inspired his dream, and she saw it grow, so she has an easier time understanding it and helping him through the hardships it put him through.
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Hlebka said:
reading this for the second time after a year.. this is the stupidest shit ever, so he dates Rui for so long and what? Somehow his feelings for her meant nothing. What a scumbag, honestly I didn't want Natsuo to end up with ANY of them, he deserves to die alone. His feelings have been so wishy washy from the beginning. Not to mention this author, Jesus Christ if someone told me this was some shitty fan created ending I would believe it, to think he built up this entire story to end it like THIS?!!


Funny to see that people have had over a full year to reflect on it and re-read it and this still comes out so often.
His feelings for Rui weren't for nothing, his feelings for Hina were stronger and always present, he just tried to deny it. It doesn't mean that he never loved Rui, he did. They split mutually and he finally accepted his feelings for Hina, and Hina did the same.

It's not a shitty ending, a bit rushed in some places, but when you look at the details, it all lines up. Natsuo and Rui aren't fit for each other, Natsuo needs a support pillar, and Rui is too independant to be that pillar. She doesn't understand his dream and what it means to him, so she can't relate to his problems related to it. Hina on the other hand inspired his dream, and she saw it grow, so she has an easier time understanding it and helping him through the hardships it put him through.


Eh even without the rui natsuo ship or natsuo hina ship or hina rui ship doesn't matter. This ending really was just based on an accident and pity if im being honest. That is how its portrayed. The emotions this manga portrayed would take chapters for you to understand even one semblance sometimes and then they wrap it up in a few with 3 time skips. Its completely different from the original style and added drama factor that was unnecessary. It feels like a cop out. I wanted to see them play fair like they agreed in new york then all of the sudden bam natsuo has to return the favor to Hina for all the work she put in (which is nice but its forced in this case because of the accident).2 year relationship of bonding and mutual trust that got solidified and reassured after how many hardships thrown out by a 3 month admitted impulsive relationship of first love, that was beautiful and had real feelings however, because of a coma and their skewed actions. Dont get me wrong im down with a Hina end. I like hina she grew as a character but not once did i expect to end this poorly. And all of the buildup of Hina and Rui working together for their happiness and fighting fair just went out the window. Its been a theme since like ch 40 when they first confronted ruis feelings let alone when rui declared she wouldnt wait for hina. This genuinely feels like a pity party and a rushed non thematic ending with the rest of the story. Its a waste of time in a sense that they completely 180ed on story telling because of drama factor and im assuming deadlines and being rushed to finalize the product. All in all i absolutely adore this series' story telling and emotions, its themes and its adventure. But the ending is lackluster and rushed and the emotions feel like they just arent truly there or atleast expressed.
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Clubby said:


Funny to see that people have had over a full year to reflect on it and re-read it and this still comes out so often.
His feelings for Rui weren't for nothing, his feelings for Hina were stronger and always present, he just tried to deny it. It doesn't mean that he never loved Rui, he did. They split mutually and he finally accepted his feelings for Hina, and Hina did the same.

It's not a shitty ending, a bit rushed in some places, but when you look at the details, it all lines up. Natsuo and Rui aren't fit for each other, Natsuo needs a support pillar, and Rui is too independant to be that pillar. She doesn't understand his dream and what it means to him, so she can't relate to his problems related to it. Hina on the other hand inspired his dream, and she saw it grow, so she has an easier time understanding it and helping him through the hardships it put him through.


Eh even without the rui natsuo ship or natsuo hina ship or hina rui ship doesn't matter. This ending really was just based on an accident and pity if im being honest. That is how its portrayed. The emotions this manga portrayed would take chapters for you to understand even one semblance sometimes and then they wrap it up in a few with 3 time skips. Its completely different from the original style and added drama factor that was unnecessary. It feels like a cop out. I wanted to see them play fair like they agreed in new york then all of the sudden bam natsuo has to return the favor to Hina for all the work she put in (which is nice but its forced in this case because of the accident).2 year relationship of bonding and mutual trust that got solidified and reassured after how many hardships thrown out by a 3 month admitted impulsive relationship of first love, that was beautiful and had real feelings however, because of a coma and their skewed actions. Dont get me wrong im down with a Hina end. I like hina she grew as a character but not once did i expect to end this poorly. And all of the buildup of Hina and Rui working together for their happiness and fighting fair just went out the window. Its been a theme since like ch 40 when they first confronted ruis feelings let alone when rui declared she wouldnt wait for hina. This genuinely feels like a pity party and a rushed non thematic ending with the rest of the story. Its a waste of time in a sense that they completely 180ed on story telling because of drama factor and im assuming deadlines and being rushed to finalize the product. All in all i absolutely adore this series' story telling and emotions, its themes and its adventure. But the ending is lackluster and rushed and the emotions feel like they just arent truly there or atleast expressed.


I think alot of people would've preferred if Sasuga showed what Natsuo and Rui talked about instead of showing it as a few panels.
The point is that Rui clearly couldn't take everything from Hina after she worked so hard to make her (Rui) happy.
Rui couldn't fathom how she would just be happy while her sister would keep suffering. It's not pity, it's Rui recognizing that she wouldn't be able to do as much as Hina did, and she tells her that.
Dating for 3 years doesn't mean much in this story, since it was all about chemistry and which girl understood Natsuo the most, and it just happened to be Hina. Natsuo and Rui had two completely different interests at heart that clashed, Natsuo needed a pillar and Rui couldn't be there. They would always bicker and fight, meanwhile when Natsuo and Hina had an argument, it was resolved the very same night, because they were both able to mutually accept their wrongdoings, while Rui never did this, always pinning the blame on Natsuo, or finding a copout, usually sex.

It's also fair to say that Rui's feelings only seriously materialized after she found out he was dating Hina, she wasn't sure beforehand, and she proceeded to seduce him when he was down after Hina left, so not the greatest start to a relationship, and definitely not the strongest base to a relationship, meanwhile Hina and Natsuo started dating due to mutual interest over common hobbies and likes, and Natsuo proving his worth to her over time.
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA LOL this is so funny. This is it, Hina defeat the Demon King now back to the past and tell about them Demon King will oveercome the world.
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O how convenient. Hina wakes up. No proceed with the wedding as planned, but I wish another volume is available to tie some loose ends.
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My post in chapter 272 laughing at Rui fans was all well and fun, but it's time to get back to seriousness: in the end, it really was Rui who won, after all, and not Hina. It was I who got too cocky -- too hopeful...

If Hina had not been hit by a car and fallen into a coma, Natsuo would have gotten together with Rui. This is undeniable, as it is what was set to happen.
That says it all, doesn't it? If a random plot device didn't happen at the last minute, then the woman of whom Natsuo would have chosen is clear.
Indeed, Natsuo even admits in chapter 273: "I love you, Rui." He cries as he says this.

Is this not a total insult to Hina's character? How is this romantic (for Natsuo x Hina) whatsoever?
He gets together with Hina not out of romantic love and passionate desire for her, not because he loves her more than Rui, but instead... he gets with Hina out of guilt, out of pity and feelings of obligation. I know other Hina fans don't like to hear this, and they believe this chapter disproves this accusation, but sorry, Natsuo only "fell in love" with Hina again and canceled his marriage with Rui because Rui and Kiriya and Marie convinced him he should. (And btw, Rui made it clear she feels guilty getting married, because Hina loved Natsuo! It's all about guilt, I'm telling you.)

"B-but, Natsuo made up his mind about canceling the marriage before Rui brought it up!" Yeah well even if we were to accept this implication at face value as being true... Kiriya and Marie still had to lay it out flat that Hina loved him in order for Natsuo to finally realize, "Oh, huh, maybe I still do love Hina, after all???" Yep, that's very believable...... not!
It's pity and guilt over Hina suffering so much for his sake, that's it. It isn't romantic love. And Natsuo would not have chosen Hina if Kiriya and Marie had said nothing to him about Hina's feelings.

But no, Natsuo says "I always loved you," to a comatose Hina?! Yeah right, Natsuo. If you did always love her, you would have acted like it! You would have longed for Hina all this time, you would have felt so conflicted over your sexual relationship with Rui! But you didn't yearn for Hina, you yearned for Rui, instead... And you Reverse-NTR'd Hina time and time and time again by sleeping with Rui, and going so far as to impregnate her, all the while Hina was being altruistic for your sake and suffering. Natsuo, you ignorant buffoon.

After impregnating Hina's sister, after spending more intimate time with her sister and loving her sister more, after getting approval from his friends and family to marry Hina's sister... only then did he decide to "break up" with Rui (they probably still had sex in these 5 years, let's be real) and now marry his comatose ex-teacher instead, after thinking about Hina hardly ever for 150+ chapters.

I can't be happy about Hina's cop-out "victory" here. It's a Rui victory, through and through, because of how insulting this is -- and how much I can still feel Natsuo loves Rui in a more genuine manner, because he actually showed that he did, while for Hina, he is simply saying he's "always loved her". But they are hollow words.

Sasuga totally failed at showing Natsuo's love for Hina in the last 15 to 20 volumes, and rushed out this abomination of an ending within 5 or 6 chapters. I don't buy that Natsuo loves Hina romantically after he chose Rui again and again up until the very end, and still admits he loves Rui to top it all off. I'm sorry.

The entire series up to this point almost feels like it was a waste of time... I waited for genuine Hina romance, but it never happened. And I get this pity-ending, instead.

To make things more of a kick in the balls: in this chapter, Rui gloats to her mother, "I already had my romance. Even though I broke up with him, he came all the way to New York... gave me the joy of a child... and he's raising her together with me. What else is there? My love story already passed the finish line!"
Indeed. Even Rui is bragging about what is in reality her victory. She won Natsuo's heart already, and now raises a child with him in what is essentially a marriage in all but name. Hina didn't stand a chance in winning Natsuo's heart without a major deus ex machina! (If I were the writer Hina would have stood a chance, but Sasuga decided: nope, Hina can't win without some pity event.)

And now... now, every moment of Natsuo and Hina's marriage will have a stark reminder of Natsuo's genuine love for Rui: the child that he and Rui made, Haruka. The child that had the two this close to marrying, before they decided not to, out of feelings of pity for Hina, NOT out of Natsuo's passionate romantic love for Hina. Natsuo had all the passion in the world for Rui, but neglected to share that passion with Hina for well over 2/3rds of this manga.

This is anything but a victory; this is anything but romantic.

With all that said: yes I am a Hina fan, and yes, her feelings for Natsuo are romantic and pure and genuine. But Natsuo's sudden realization that he loves Hina? It's a complete and utter joke. I am not convinced of his romantic love for her in the slightest.
HeroicIdealSep 13, 10:15 PM
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