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Sep 17, 2019 7:25 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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That hug :o

Takuya really doesn't want to hurt Yuno. Deep down, he cares about her a lot. Seems like we also get a bit of revelation about Dela Granto this episode. 2 more left so it's definitely pushing towards a big climax for this series/arc. I hope it won't be rushed.
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Sep 17, 2019 8:33 AM
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Wow, they are absolutely nailing this ending. I was worried it was going to be rushed, but I got the exact same feeling of shock, awe, and disbelief as I did when I was reading the VN.

This is fantastic. I can't wait to see how they end the anime.
Sep 17, 2019 8:47 AM
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I too can't wait to see how they wrap it up. Here's to hope Yuno will be left unscathed.
Sep 17, 2019 8:54 AM
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*hug noises*

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Well that was... wow, one hell of a reveal. Honestly pretty impressed with how all that got pieced together
Sep 17, 2019 10:03 AM
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that reveal :O
poor Takuya, Mother Wife Daughter all of them a miko damn..

2 MORE EPISODE
Sep 17, 2019 10:18 AM
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i knew it that divine emperor is Ayumi-san, it pretty obvious right if guys know what i talking about.... first (1) hair colour....second (2) when divine emperor sit at her throne back at the castle, u can see that divine emperor had ponytail same with Ayumi-san and third (3) the fact that make me confirmed that divine emperor is Ayumi-san, iirc ppl at del granto had problem how to pronounce Takuya nama but when Yu-no was brought to castle and ask who her parent is.... divine emperor can easily said Takuya name... even if we didnt take all those 3 facts, if ryuzozi or whatever his name is, Eriko-sensei involved in this, so what the hell that Ayumi-san didnt involved together?.... isnt this anime about finding true family 👪 ppl who support u whatever ur problem is and ppl who left u when u facing problems.... looks like im talking too much already... that all 😀
Sep 17, 2019 10:42 AM
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Well.. my guess that Ayumi was the emperor was correct, but one of the reasons I guessed that is because Takuya had to speak the name of the "king" to get to Dela Granto...and the old trope of his lips moving but we didn't hear what he said was used, making me believe we knew the name....but at the same time, he should have recognized the name as well. Obviously the fact that she was also wearing a mask, meaning they were purposefully hiding her identity, plus her hair color.

I was also correct that Takuya's mother was a priestess...she didn't die though, so Yu-No could live.

I was also correct about all of this being about some advance Antlantis like civilization being destroyed.

However, I thought Ayumi was being mind controlled the entire time, but apparently she was not.

If she was not being mind controlled, then why did she enlighten the rebels to what was really going on? Why did she allow slave labor to create the coffins? If she knew Takuya was there, why didn't she demand he be brought before her, even if she didn't know he was thrown in prison?

The show depicted the soldiers coming to her and telling her just about everything too often for ignorance to be claimed. So either she isn't as kind as they are making out, or the writers of the anime are failing again.
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Sep 17, 2019 11:06 AM
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That was an interesting reveal about "The Truth of Dela Granto"

They still need to sort out the stuff with Ryuuzouji. Hope Eriko-sensei can handle that.

Divine Emperor ended up being Ayumi. Kinda guess that since they had the same hairstyle.

2 more episodes to go.

Sep 17, 2019 11:07 AM
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HOOfan_1 said:
one of the reasons I guessed that is because Takuya had to speak the name of the "king" to get to Dela Granto...and the old trope of his lips moving but we didn't hear what he said was used, making me believe we knew the name....but at the same time, he should have recognized the name as well. Obviously the fact that she was also wearing a mask, meaning they were purposefully hiding her identity, plus her hair color.
The "name of the king" in episode 17 wasn't literally the current ruler's name. In the VN you had to solve a puzzle to get a set of symbols, which you then input to the device that asked for "the name of the king". The set of symbols weren't something you could pronounce. From the hints in the puzzle, it can be inferred that "the king" isn't a literal ruler but an entity (god?) that results from combining "light" and "dark". The anime did this scene in extremely simplified form that is misleading; Takuya's answer was unheard not because it was a spoiler, but because it was unpronounceable and/or irrelevant to rest of the plot.
If she knew Takuya was there, why didn't she demand he be brought before her, even if she didn't know he was thrown in prison?
I wrote about this on Reddit:
In the VN it was never explicitly shown that Ayumi knew of Takuya's existence on Dela Granto; the scene where she is told his name a few episodes ago is anime-original. (Aside from very few and brief exceptions, everything was told from Takuya's POV.) So it could be assumed she was simply unaware of the identity of the man living with the priestess. Moreover, in the VN the soldiers who came to the border, discovered Sayless and Takuya and witnessed Sayless' death probably assumed they had killed Takuya (they left him severely wounded); he was sent to the slave camp for an unrelated crime (entering a sacred temple), making the connection between "the slave who entered an unauthorised area" and "the probably-dead guy who took the virginity of the priestess" less obvious.
Sep 17, 2019 11:12 AM

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I'm totally surprised that she is Ayumi

I thought the emperor is going to be his real mother, not stepmother
Sep 17, 2019 11:41 AM

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Laukku said:
So it could be assumed she was simply unaware of the identity of the man living with the priestess.


Even so, there were some pretty heinous things going on in her empire....raising genetically modified humans as livestock. The slave camp. The rebels.

Did her soldiers keep all of that from her as well? If she knew about the rebels, it seems she would have allowed them to come talk to the AI and show them the truth. She seemed to know about the Norgard being humans, but still they were used as livestock and eaten.
Sep 17, 2019 11:56 AM
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HOOfan_1 said:
Laukku said:
So it could be assumed she was simply unaware of the identity of the man living with the priestess.


Even so, there were some pretty heinous things going on in her empire....raising genetically modified humans as livestock. The slave camp. The rebels.

Did her soldiers keep all of that from her as well? If she knew about the rebels, it seems she would have allowed them to come talk to the AI and show them the truth. She seemed to know about the Norgard being humans, but still they were used as livestock and eaten.
Some more from what I wrote on Reddit that partially answer these:
One explanation is that in practice, her power isn't absolute despite being theoretically so (we don't even know HOW much power she exactly holds); it could be that there was much corruption and such going on, and a new ruler isn't magically going to fix that even within ~5 years depending on how severe it is.

And the emperor isn't necessarily handling personally everything, with layers of bureaucracy and subordinates doing more specialised work. Entering a sacred temple seems like a minor enough crime to not be reported to the emperor (remember that I'm talking about the VN here, no "meanwhile..." scenes cutting to the emperor), and the punishment was likely decided by someone else.

Another explanation is that she simply saw no other practical methods than harsh ones to gather the required resources for the ritual in the available time. The ritual is the number one priority. Make all hundreds of criminals mine psychite, keep the new priestess under control via brainwashing (she "will most likely be annihilated" anyway, or perhaps Ayumi didn't decide the bodily ability to be shut off), BAM, Dela Granto saved, NOW you can focus on societal reforms and be a nice ruler.
As for the AI showing the presentation, that was an anime-original scene and in the VN Ayumi became the empress because she was the only one who could meaningfully communicate with the computer. There was no handy human-understandable hologram. Furthermore, the explanation for the ritual given to the public is the same one but greatly simplified. Ayumi and others may have been thinking "We explained the ritual already, isn't that enough?" without realising that the full backstory was required to convince them.
Sep 17, 2019 12:21 PM
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So, in the end , Takuya has a choice allow his daughter Yuno be sacrifice, or let del grand and earth end.
Sep 17, 2019 1:31 PM
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I called it, I knew it was ayumi. but to be honest I'm confused if someone can someone can explain please tell me.
Sep 17, 2019 3:46 PM

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This episode was by far the most important of the "isekai arc". Such revelations I'd not expect, like this is only a scifi story in fact, while I figured it had some supernatural shades. But in fact everything in this anime was so unexpected and surprising.

2 more episodes but still a lot of points to resolve : Takuya's father, Ryuzoji's fate, etc.
Sep 17, 2019 4:42 PM

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So, most of the secrets are out.

But this was a joke. Only the part Ayumi was well-done, the rest was mostly anime-original content. I wouldn't normally mind if it was for better of the story but rewriting the plot in such stupid way was mostly for the worse. And don't let me get started about the invention of kawaii AI that conveniently explained everything there - the director really knows nothing about dramatic techniques (unlike the original writer).

Also, it was painfully obvious the scene with Ryouzouji was flawed as Takuya repeatedly asked where Yu-No is even when he met her just minutes before (while in the game hadn't and this was the actually news for him). The nature of Ryuzouji's being wasn't reveal until the very end of the game - he didn't escaped and instead explained the mechanism of deactivating brainwashing willingly to him in order to decieve him and make him kill the Emperor). The long talk Takuya had with Yu-no while waiting for Emperor in the castle gardens was also cut.

Funny thing they tried to explain everything yet they somehow forgot to explain the most crucial thing - that the cycle repeats every 400 years so the Grantia don't collide with Earth some 8000 years ago. And that each ritual is only temporary solution for the next 400 years, that's why the cycle.

Anyway, with everything told out there is not really much of the material to go by right now. Only the finale remains and one episode would be more than enough to tell it. Which implies the last episode would be also anime original and I really wonder what they are trying to do here.
Sep 17, 2019 4:44 PM

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If anything, this is the most important aspwct of the isekai arc we've seeing these past few episodes, even from an anime-only standpoint.

Looks like even Ryuzoji can't escape the Divine Emperor (which was Ayumi, the hair colour just gave it all away from the start), but for Takuya, even his hypnotism Niarb can't be afforded to be overlooked. Hope Eriko-sensei can resolve this issue with Ryuzoji once again on the loose.

And the heinous amounts of revelation of Dela Granto is really like a catalyst of scenarios waiting to happen. The events of Takuya on Earth to find the psychite for Kanna, that is being brought with the connection of Dela Granto that is detached from the Earth and connects within a basis of Takuya and the women related to him.

Wow is this finally the piece of the piece we've been seeking for all these while. Looks like they're not kidding with the set-up of the episode so far for the final 2 episodes. Simply unexpected and fantastic reaching to this climax.
Sep 17, 2019 5:49 PM

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Ok, there's a lot going on in this episode! x_x Didn't expect Ayumi to be the Divine Emperor. Seriously, didn't see that coming... It was a big surprise! :O

Takuya will make the hardest decision of his life: save YU-NO or save everyone... damn! >_<

Great episode!

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Sep 17, 2019 7:28 PM

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The show's fun and unpredictable but it's far from being some masterful puzzle to solve. This may have been the most ridiculous episode yet.
Sep 17, 2019 8:10 PM
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WTF?! An episode too revealing! As the bad ones were the good ones and the good ones were the bad ones, but in reality both are good, and the only enemy in common is Ryuzoji.
Ayumi-san, the Celestial Emperor, Mother, AI, The Precursors of the Earth, the humans of Dela Granto, etc. Hell, what a stir, no doubt, were shocking revelations.
Now what decision will Takuya make, can he sacrifice his daughter to save both worlds? I hope you find another way.
Sep 18, 2019 1:22 AM

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Maybe my memory isnt good enough and Im surprised Im writing this, but the first half was somehow better handled here compared to the novel.


About the reveal during the Second half, felt rushed (yeah, no surprise) and not as captivating as the one I the novel. But I give them credit for the music.

What I like about yuno as a isekai concept is that its plot works to explain the origin of the alternate world. Not many isekai do that. They just throw the mc into a medieval looking place and nothing else. This was originally done for a 1996 "porn" game. It didnt need to be that good.
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Sep 18, 2019 4:31 AM
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The truth about Dela Grato has been revealed, and about the Ritual. What will kaguya choose? Will he let Yu-No pursue the ritual? Ohh lets see the next episode
Sep 18, 2019 5:16 AM

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The show's fun and unpredictable but it's far from being some masterful puzzle to solve. This may have been the most ridiculous episode yet.

There was a lot of foreshadowing up until this point.

If you were paying close enough attention, you probably could have predicted something similar to this.

People are saying how shocking this episode was and seemingly "out of nowhere", but really... the foreshadowing has lead up to this!
Sep 19, 2019 5:46 AM

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Mich666 said:

Funny thing they tried to explain everything yet they somehow forgot to explain the most crucial thing - that the cycle repeats every 400 years so the Grantia don't collide with Earth some 8000 years ago. And that each ritual is only temporary solution for the next 400 years, that's why the cycle.

Hm, that explains some of the gripes I had while watching the explanation, so they're in some sort of orbit close to earth and said orbit decays till it grazes earth each 400 years and if they don't raise the orbit it'll come crashing.

That's fine but now that just raises more question, why after 10 MILLION YEARS it started to decay 8000 years ago? why do they wait for the Dela Granto to graze earth each time to raise its orbit? why does it always graze the exact same spot on earth? and above all else WHY THE FUCK IF YOU GOT THE TECH TO RAISE A COUNTRY SIZED ISLAND, MOVE IT LIKE A SPACESHIP, SEND IT TO A PARALLEL DIMENSION AND MAKE A SELF SUSTAINED FUSION YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE TECH TO MOVE SOME ROCKS SO THAT THEY DON'T KILL YOU ALL?!
Sep 19, 2019 2:04 PM

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That was a whole lot of not making any sense with what has already happened.

Also a sorry for throwing him in prison for years for no reason might have been appropriate or something.

I guess he was too busy banging his hot wife to have gotten any of this explained years ago. His wife who was a priestess and was needed to stop the world from ending so of course was out in the wilderness alone among dangerous monsters that could have killed her at any moment.
Sep 19, 2019 2:21 PM

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Finally they decided to tell us more about the Dela Granto, and the reason why ritual is a must. Seeing the characters from the Earth in Dela Granto was nice because I really miss them. I really didn't expect these people from Dela Granto, especially Ayumi, Ryuzoji and Eriko. Lets see Takuya's decision in the next episode. Also, welcome back Reflector Device.

Sep 20, 2019 5:22 AM

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That was a whole lot of not making any sense with what has already happened.

Also a sorry for throwing him in prison for years for no reason might have been appropriate or something.

I guess he was too busy banging his hot wife to have gotten any of this explained years ago. His wife who was a priestess and was needed to stop the world from ending so of course was out in the wilderness alone among dangerous monsters that could have killed her at any moment.


What? Everything makes sense, you seem lost.

How could he have gotten any of this explained? Only a very limited number of people knew about this, the empire wasn't telling anyone the truth. Also, go back to the beginning of this arc and you can see how she got out in the middle of nowhere.
Sep 21, 2019 10:48 AM

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another information overload episode!
so the Divine Emperor is Ayumi all this time!
and this alternate dimension was just a part of the earth crust that will go out of orbit and kaboom to earth! sound edgy! lolz
4/5.


Sep 23, 2019 1:22 PM

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Some important reveals were given to us, there’s something I didn't have understand properly but it’s ok. Nice episode.
Sep 24, 2019 5:51 PM

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Uhh, what? Holy exposition batman. There had to have been a better way to explain all this. Once again, more often than not, VNs do not translate to anime. I remember some poor and kind soul in the Island anime discussion threads had to keep explaining everything to the anime watchers. I'm sure this whole thing was easier to understand in the VN.
Sep 26, 2019 5:11 AM
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Was expected Ayumi's Emperor, but lots of questions why she let her subordinates keep & mistreat slaves, poorly handle the human alterations/failures, let them roam as monsters etc, and not take Takuya in sooner once she learned of his name & priestess. In past earth timelines she's pretty insane & near irredeamable, but here as Emperor she's worse than Toyotomi.
lol Ryu just escapes, no guards or any security measures. Also emperor alone when moments before they just emphasized guards must protect her.
The teleported land mass, 400 years relation, the human adaptation, scientist AI "Mother" subplots all pretty amazing, but prefer it spread over more episodes, and explain better detail.
Nov 13, 2019 8:28 AM

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dam give the guy a breake, there has to be alt way
Nov 16, 2019 2:09 PM

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So the furries were originally human, which means most of humanity have become cannibals, sounds pretty messed up



Nov 26, 2019 9:19 AM

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not just Takuya this time but even Eriko sensei *facepalm* they know what that old man can do and still let their guard down against him

the world vs Yuno
Takuya: "screw the world, Yuno > world, guess we're all gonna die"
Dec 11, 2020 5:18 AM
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Who is this retarded idol character who was not in the vn at all?
Aug 23, 2021 6:30 AM

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Finally, they explained that world. It makes sense if you ask me. Now, I wonder if Takuya will let his daughter sacrifice herself to save both worlds.
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