[SPOILERS] Question about ending

IdleSolution said:
Everyone claims that Chtholy died at the end of the series. But how? I thought faires are supposed to die right after the nuke but she was shown after that. This show is triggering me, why is everything so complicated and not clear...

KuroudoAkabane said:
I just finished this show a hour ago.
the way I see it, shes dead.

The Alien Goddess Elq has taken over cthulu's body and only a lingering of her former self remains. The goddess then strung up uses the venenum and basically nukes the whole place out.

chtullu's body IS destroyed.

So are Nephren and willems bodies.

when she comes to thank willem at the very end, you dont see neph anywhere. she was just lying on top of willem last we saw them. the reason is:

the chotholly we see thanking willem is not a physical construct.

it are her memories and feeling as a temporary person manifest. her own body did not belong to her, she's basically a homunculus with a goddess's soul. her self as a person is a temporary being, with no real value in the realm of souls, like ghost devices.

willem is dead. the explosion chtholly's body created would have had a massive yield and likely[nay definitely] obliterated neph's and willems bodies.

The manifestation of the char ctholly we see throughout, afraid of losing her sense of self, presents itself to willems soul/spirit to thank him one last time.

this may have been possible due to the goddess elq having taken a liking to that temporary persona and letting her have her one wish. she herself wanting to emulate her own killer in some sick stockholm syndrome.

also you might be confused by the rebirth assumption many have had, it wasnt, its just a flash back to when she was first born.

InfinityKiyen said:
The answer to that is.
Ctholly die and got rebirth just as they say that fairy is born from "The young wandering soul"
SinceChtholly is still a 15 years old girl so she will also count and therefore she got rebirth while she got wipe out her memories completely.
As for Willem and Rem, they are pretty much alive just as that old man at the end say that if they are alive it will react and it did while he wasn't watching. Well done dude... Thx to that only the watcher know besides you that learn that they are alive. But I won't tell you where they are at cause it's a SPOILERS!!!

sandisandi said:

Just tell us what happen in the light novel, i hear they both will death to that is not make any diffrent for now

InfinityKiyen said:


You see Chtholly's soul is the soul of the goddess of annihilation. So due to that, she can never be old or young. Since the goddess is ageless. So her soul is forever in that world for as long as they still want to summon more fairy. As for Willem and Rem. They are still in the dream world which in the end they will still die...

The only one who remains eternal is Chtholly. Since she's the goddess even if she was summoned as the fairy.

There get it now?

sandisandi said:

That mean chotholy diffrent betwen another fairy because the soul is from a god. Thank you :)

Zefyris said:

Just saying, the guy that answered you never read the novels, and his answer is wrong.
There's no such thing as "goddess of anihilation" (wtf?), Chtholly's soul is not different per se from other Leprechauns' souls, and she isn't more or less "eternal" than any other Leprechauns either.

Elq, who is the last of the Visitors (basically godlike entities who visited this world a long time ago and altered it) both alive and whole, was hit by Seniorious around 500 years ago. Normally, Elq cannot be killed by anything from this planet, as her body doesn't even get affected by the rest of the world, meaning, for example if she were to walk into a wall from this world, the wall would not stop her (not sure if the wall would be destroyed or if she walks through it without destroying it though, as it's not clearly explained, just that she cannot be impaired by this world's objects and wouldn't be stopped by wall is used as an example).

however, Seniouris is one of the 5 greatest swords and its curse is just as absolute, whatever gets hit by it goes into a death state as the result. For any normal being, this basially means insta death, but Elq is pretty much immortal as an entity. This is basically a case of two absolute contraries (something that cannot die hit by something that always kill) and the end result was therefore twisted. She didn't technically die as an entity, but could not stop her body from going into a death state either.
Due to this, while she's still technically alive because she's immortal, her body is dead, and she can't move around or even breath because he body is "perma-dead". If the curse was lifted somehow, she would immediately start walking again, but as it stands she can't and can only watch without interfering.

Elq is not a bad god and certainly not an annihilation god. If anything, Visitors brought a lot of good things with them and their servants, the Poteaux gods (which EbonCandle is part of) just as much if not more.

After Elq was struck by Seniouris, she was brought in a certain place for her immortal soul to be cut into very small soul fragments. That was an important task, that I'm not going to talk about here because it's not the subject, but that task was still only partially done when the whole planet got wiped out by the 17 types of Beasts. Leaving Elq on Earth in death state, with a part of her soul cut into fragments lingering around and the main part still in her body. The fragments are just as immortal as the non fragmented part. The non fragmented part is where Elq's Will and consciousness still resides, but she can see somehow through the eyes of any living creature that uses her soul fragments as their own souls. She doesn't take control of them or anything though(maybe she could, but we don't know, as she got no interest in doing that so she doesn't do it anyway), she's just watching. After all, since her body is dead and doesn't move, she's got nothing else to do than watch.

Those fragments are what are used by Souwong to create Leprechauns's bodies out of it, using necromancy. Once a leprechauns die, her body just disappear but the soul fragment remain eternal, so it will be used again after a while to recreate a new Leprechaun.

The new Leprechaun will NOT have the same appearance, nor the same personality, nor the same hobbies, and nor the memories from the previous life.
An old personality can, on very rare cases (like Ithea), surface again when the current personality collapses, but that's in itself a very sad happening/tragedy, and usually the surfacing personality is very incomplete, kind of a patchwork between the old and the current one, and instable with very little memories of each personalities being immediately accessible. Ithea is the only currently known stable case of an old personality properly resurfacing.

Chtholly didn't have any old personality taking over. She went the most common route for a leprechaun that can gather too much venenum in one go, which is personality collapse but nothing taking over. What was not usual was that Elq took an interest in her, because she was wielding Serniouris, and that Elq is genuinely curious about Seniouris' wielders. So they met each other and Elq decided to help her get more time.
The result of it is that Chtholly's body went away from being simply a body created by necromancy and dissipating when the personality collapses.
As a result, Chtholly's body when Chtholly died on the surface in the last episode did NOT disappear. However, Chtholly's soul itself was not changed. She's still dead, she just left a body behind instead of nothing after dying.

She will be one day reincarnated as a new faery, maybe in 10-15 years; but the new faery will be no different from any other faery on any way. The personality won't be the same as Chtholly, she won't have any of Chtholly's memories, she will probably not have blue hair nor blue eyes and so on.

Hope that helps.

Zefyris said:

Just saying, the guy that answered you never read the novels, and his answer is wrong.
There's no such thing as "goddess of anihilation" (wtf?), Chtholly's soul is not different per se from other Leprechauns' souls, and she isn't more or less "eternal" than any other Leprechauns either.

Elq, who is the last of the Visitors (basically godlike entities who visited this world a long time ago and altered it) both alive and whole, was hit by Seniorious around 500 years ago. Normally, Elq cannot be killed by anything from this planet, as her body doesn't even get affected by the rest of the world, meaning, for example if she were to walk into a wall from this world, the wall would not stop her (not sure if the wall would be destroyed or if she walks through it without destroying it though, as it's not clearly explained, just that she cannot be impaired by this world's objects and wouldn't be stopped by wall is used as an example).

however, Seniouris is one of the 5 greatest swords and its curse is just as absolute, whatever gets hit by it goes into a death state as the result. For any normal being, this basially means insta death, but Elq is pretty much immortal as an entity. This is basically a case of two absolute contraries (something that cannot die hit by something that always kill) and the end result was therefore twisted. She didn't technically die as an entity, but could not stop her body from going into a death state either.
Due to this, while she's still technically alive because she's immortal, her body is dead, and she can't move around or even breath because he body is "perma-dead". If the curse was lifted somehow, she would immediately start walking again, but as it stands she can't and can only watch without interfering.

Elq is not a bad god and certainly not an annihilation god. If anything, Visitors brought a lot of good things with them and their servants, the Poteaux gods (which EbonCandle is part of) just as much if not more.

After Elq was struck by Seniouris, she was brought in a certain place for her immortal soul to be cut into very small soul fragments. That was an important task, that I'm not going to talk about here because it's not the subject, but that task was still only partially done when the whole planet got wiped out by the 17 types of Beasts. Leaving Elq on Earth in death state, with a part of her soul cut into fragments lingering around and the main part still in her body. The fragments are just as immortal as the non fragmented part. The non fragmented part is where Elq's Will and consciousness still resides, but she can see somehow through the eyes of any living creature that uses her soul fragments as their own souls. She doesn't take control of them or anything though(maybe she could, but we don't know, as she got no interest in doing that so she doesn't do it anyway), she's just watching. After all, since her body is dead and doesn't move, she's got nothing else to do than watch.

Those fragments are what are used by Souwong to create Leprechauns's bodies out of it, using necromancy. Once a leprechauns die, her body just disappear but the soul fragment remain eternal, so it will be used again after a while to recreate a new Leprechaun.

The new Leprechaun will NOT have the same appearance, nor the same personality, nor the same hobbies, and nor the memories from the previous life.
An old personality can, on very rare cases (like Ithea), surface again when the current personality collapses, but that's in itself a very sad happening/tragedy, and usually the surfacing personality is very incomplete, kind of a patchwork between the old and the current one, and instable with very little memories of each personalities being immediately accessible. Ithea is the only currently known stable case of an old personality properly resurfacing.

Chtholly didn't have any old personality taking over. She went the most common route for a leprechaun that can gather too much venenum in one go, which is personality collapse but nothing taking over. What was not usual was that Elq took an interest in her, because she was wielding Serniouris, and that Elq is genuinely curious about Seniouris' wielders. So they met each other and Elq decided to help her get more time.
The result of it is that Chtholly's body went away from being simply a body created by necromancy and dissipating when the personality collapses.
As a result, Chtholly's body when Chtholly died on the surface in the last episode did NOT disappear. However, Chtholly's soul itself was not changed. She's still dead, she just left a body behind instead of nothing after dying.

She will be one day reincarnated as a new faery, maybe in 10-15 years; but the new faery will be no different from any other faery on any way. The personality won't be the same as Chtholly, she won't have any of Chtholly's memories, she will probably not have blue hair nor blue eyes and so on.

Hope that helps.

KR_P said:

The last part is probably off due to the birth of Ryehl.
I figure that the explanation will be that Elq saved a piece of Chtholly or something.

KingDragoYT said:
Chtholy is dead for sure. Ren is also dead. The Sergeant or whatever you call it said something along the lines of "After all these times, it still hurts when a warrior passes" and proceeded to show the picture of Chthloy and Ren. Chtholy's death was also foreshadowed with her conversation with red haired girl. Willem is also dead as Grand Master couldn't find him on his radar.

Zefyris said:

With the end of volume 7 of sukamoka, the possibility that Ryehl is the same soul fragment as Chtolly has raised by a lot. It sky rocketed from like 5% chance to 90%+ chances ImO.
Now, it doesn't change the fact that if Chtholly were to take over Ryehl, this would only be a tragedy.


Ren is not dead. The anime shows you an echo at the end, and the novel continues after that with Ren alive, so of course she is. Limeskin's words are about Ren and Chtholly being MIA. Whil both are MIA, only Chtholly is dead.

Zefyris said:

With the end of volume 7 of sukamoka, the possibility that Ryehl is the same soul fragment as Chtolly has raised by a lot. It sky rocketed from like 5% chance to 90%+ chances ImO.
Now, it doesn't change the fact that if Chtholly were to take over Ryehl, this would only be a tragedy.

KR_P said:

Honestly, the show was kind of meh to me -it was largely the last episode and Chtholly's death sequences (the sweet but hopeless tragedy of it all); that made an impact with me.
So if she suddenly 'came back', I'd feel pretty cheated.

While you are here -I wonder if you knew why Willem didn't transform back into a beast a year after he was unpetrified?
IIRC Humanity transformed about a year after he was petrified and he was unpetrified 2 years before the first episode.

Zefyris said:

Just saying, the guy that answered you never read the novels, and his answer is wrong.
There's no such thing as "goddess of anihilation" (wtf?), Chtholly's soul is not different per se from other Leprechauns' souls, and she isn't more or less "eternal" than any other Leprechauns either.

Elq, who is the last of the Visitors (basically godlike entities who visited this world a long time ago and altered it) both alive and whole, was hit by Seniorious around 500 years ago. Normally, Elq cannot be killed by anything from this planet, as her body doesn't even get affected by the rest of the world, meaning, for example if she were to walk into a wall from this world, the wall would not stop her (not sure if the wall would be destroyed or if she walks through it without destroying it though, as it's not clearly explained, just that she cannot be impaired by this world's objects and wouldn't be stopped by wall is used as an example).

however, Seniouris is one of the 5 greatest swords and its curse is just as absolute, whatever gets hit by it goes into a death state as the result. For any normal being, this basially means insta death, but Elq is pretty much immortal as an entity. This is basically a case of two absolute contraries (something that cannot die hit by something that always kill) and the end result was therefore twisted. She didn't technically die as an entity, but could not stop her body from going into a death state either.
Due to this, while she's still technically alive because she's immortal, her body is dead, and she can't move around or even breath because he body is "perma-dead". If the curse was lifted somehow, she would immediately start walking again, but as it stands she can't and can only watch without interfering.

Elq is not a bad god and certainly not an annihilation god. If anything, Visitors brought a lot of good things with them and their servants, the Poteaux gods (which EbonCandle is part of) just as much if not more.

After Elq was struck by Seniouris, she was brought in a certain place for her immortal soul to be cut into very small soul fragments. That was an important task, that I'm not going to talk about here because it's not the subject, but that task was still only partially done when the whole planet got wiped out by the 17 types of Beasts. Leaving Elq on Earth in death state, with a part of her soul cut into fragments lingering around and the main part still in her body. The fragments are just as immortal as the non fragmented part. The non fragmented part is where Elq's Will and consciousness still resides, but she can see somehow through the eyes of any living creature that uses her soul fragments as their own souls. She doesn't take control of them or anything though(maybe she could, but we don't know, as she got no interest in doing that so she doesn't do it anyway), she's just watching. After all, since her body is dead and doesn't move, she's got nothing else to do than watch.

Those fragments are what are used by Souwong to create Leprechauns's bodies out of it, using necromancy. Once a leprechauns die, her body just disappear but the soul fragment remain eternal, so it will be used again after a while to recreate a new Leprechaun.

The new Leprechaun will NOT have the same appearance, nor the same personality, nor the same hobbies, and nor the memories from the previous life.
An old personality can, on very rare cases (like Ithea), surface again when the current personality collapses, but that's in itself a very sad happening/tragedy, and usually the surfacing personality is very incomplete, kind of a patchwork between the old and the current one, and instable with very little memories of each personalities being immediately accessible. Ithea is the only currently known stable case of an old personality properly resurfacing.

Chtholly didn't have any old personality taking over. She went the most common route for a leprechaun that can gather too much venenum in one go, which is personality collapse but nothing taking over. What was not usual was that Elq took an interest in her, because she was wielding Serniouris, and that Elq is genuinely curious about Seniouris' wielders. So they met each other and Elq decided to help her get more time.
The result of it is that Chtholly's body went away from being simply a body created by necromancy and dissipating when the personality collapses.
As a result, Chtholly's body when Chtholly died on the surface in the last episode did NOT disappear. However, Chtholly's soul itself was not changed. She's still dead, she just left a body behind instead of nothing after dying.

She will be one day reincarnated as a new faery, maybe in 10-15 years; but the new faery will be no different from any other faery on any way. The personality won't be the same as Chtholly, she won't have any of Chtholly's memories, she will probably not have blue hair nor blue eyes and so on.

Hope that helps.

Rob7 said:
Just uploading the spoiler everyone who finishes this anime was asking for. And could not care less in read it since NOBODY is going to read the novels anyway.


It helps, thanks in 2020.

But, now i praise more the anime.

This story above is completely pointless, and thank God we will have not a continuation based in this terrible novel.


If i rated the anime 8, this novel deserves not more than a 4.

Zefyris said:

if you really felt thankful, it would be nice to abstain yourself from categorically judging works simply from very very partial spoilers you've read about it.
As no matter which works get hit by that kind of nonsensical behaviour, it annoys me to no end.
The novels are better than the anime. If you rated the anime a 8, the novels would probably be a 9+ for you, as the anime scrupulously respected the feel and style of the original material. Because the director was a fan of the novels, and the author actively helped him during the making of this anime as well, they nailed it to a point that very few anime adaptation of novel have reached .

Zefyris said:

if you really felt thankful, it would be nice to abstain yourself from categorically judging works simply from very very partial spoilers you've read about it.
As no matter which works get hit by that kind of nonsensical behaviour, it annoys me to no end.
The novels are better than the anime. If you rated the anime a 8, the novels would probably be a 9+ for you, as the anime scrupulously respected the feel and style of the original material. Because the director was a fan of the novels, and the author actively helped him during the making of this anime as well, they nailed it to a point that very few anime adaptation of novel have reached .

theGodde said:
interesting.
ngl this show had aspects of greatness but was let down by a relatively unfocused narrative and somewhat tropey and inconsistent characters. I was considering that this was an issue of the director having two visions for the show and being unable to choose between either, but if this is more or less faithful to the LN then I don't know what to say.

I personally wouldn't want a second season. To me I feel like an alternate story version of this should be made - maybe a movie, that massively simplifies the world building and focuses in the plot, better incorporating the romance with the overall story rather than having them be so disconnected, and including a bit more action - along with an ending that wraps up the whole story. While LNs can go on forever, I don't feel like this concept has the staying power to be extended out for 2/3 seasons of anime.

But that probably sounds like blasphemy to you lmao.

theGodde said:

ngl this show had aspects of greatness but was let down by a relatively unfocused narrative and somewhat tropey and inconsistent characters. I was considering that this was an issue of the director having two visions for the show and being unable to choose between either, but if this is more or less faithful to the LN then I don't know what to say.

I personally wouldn't want a second season. To me I feel like an alternate story version of this should be made - maybe a movie, that massively simplifies the world building and focuses in the plot, better incorporating the romance with the overall story rather than having them be so disconnected, and including a bit more action - along with an ending that wraps up the whole story. While LNs can go on forever, I don't feel like this concept has the staying power to be extended out for 2/3 seasons of anime.

But that probably sounds like blasphemy to you lmao.

Zefyris said:
I don't see why it would be "blasphemy".

Zefyris said:
In your case, I would point out that since the anime was designed to be specifically "Chtholly's story" rather than "the first half adaptation of sukasuka" , said story was disconnected from the overarching story intentionally, leaving to the novels only scenes that would only be useful later.
So, the fact that you thought it was disconnected from the main plot may be quite less a problem novel side tbh.
I would disagree on saying that it makes the anime any worse however; as in any case we would not get the following half nor the sequel adaptation in anime regardless; so if they didn't do that, we would have ended with more scenes that don't really find an answer until after the end of the anime.

I know lots of peoples who only watched the anime for example felt that the Cordina di Luce sub arc with the kidnapping/assassination attempt was completely disconnected from the rest. That's because 80% of its content prepare content that happens in vol 5 of the novel as well as in further volumes in the sequel. The 20% remaining were relevant to the part covered so they left it all, but the disconnection felt came from here. Same in a few other places.

So while the general feel of the story was very well respected and on this it's one of the most respectful anime adaptation you can find; it's still a 12 episodes adaptation of 3 volumes, which means, like almost EVERY novel adaptation out there, that it has plenty of scenes removed.

Zefyris said:
On your complaint about action though, this isn't that type of story. The story is made to be seen from someone that does NOT got to the fight and wait for those who go to come back. That's why only the last episode really has more fighting : because due to an accident he becomes involved in the middle of a giant combat.
The story stays logical on this. It keeps showing that Willem WANTS to participate and save/protect himself others, and that's something that Chtholly know and accuse him to secretly desire several times. So when the combat happens where he is, he joins in as that's what he has always wanted, even though his body is no longer in a state to do so. And so, as the viewer, we join as well.

Zefyris said:
But yeah, you don't want a second season, it's normal : it was made so that a second season is not necessary. In the novel, at vol 3's ending, you WANT to see the rest.
That's why you don't have an ending that wrap it all ; the story is almsot 20 vol long counting the sequel; they adapted the first 3 vol, and removed a part of the overarching plot to give it more a stand alone feel as Chtholly's story; but asking for something that wraps everything up is not going to happen.
Also Gekko endings are not good so no thanks.