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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Welp, they didn't waste time jumping into the action this episode. Ren also clashes against Kei Sakurai and it's one heck of a fight. That Shirou guy is also quite though. Sigh, Ren really got himself caught into a world of trouble. Reinhard's powers are fucking scary by what he demonstrated. Damn cliffhanger. |
Stark700Nov 19, 2017 11:13 PM
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| Reinhard is truly amazing, omg. |
| Lots of action in this episode. Shirou is pretty strong. He froze Wilhelm with liquid nitrogen, but that wasn't enough to defeat him. Ren fought Reinhard, but he's way too strong. His army is in the millions. |
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| While I was aware that Karl promised to prepare more proper foe for Reinhard, I expected more or less for Reinhard to be clueless about him, but seems like he knows some stuff, well meaning at least that he's related to Karl. Still sad Reinhard hair isn't short:/ |
| Ok, this episode was interesting. The scene in the beginning with Shirou would certainly feel weird for anime-only watchers, with him breaking the fourth wall. Though it was nice giving some explanations of his abilities before the fight (also, a little foreshadowing). The fight between Shirou and Bey felt shorter than in the VN, but at least we saw Bey cover in liquid nitrogen lol. Ren fight with Sakurai didn't pack as big of a punch than in the VN, and it also felt much shorter. Now, the big surprise of the episode: Ren's fight with Reinhard. This was way longer than in the VN lol. For some reason, they upgraded Ren to his Eine Faust Finale form, but he didn't use any of that form's abilities (outside of speed and strength), and Reinhard used Gladsheimr. I got to admit that I actually enjoyed the fight. Reinhard using thousands of soldiers, ships, and planes, just for Ren to destroy them was pretty sweet. The only big downside of this fight is that it feels like too big of a jump from the previous fights, the scale her is way bigger than before. For any anime-only who things that this was OP, you haven't seen anything yet, Reinhard wasn't serious and he wasn't even at full power. All in all, I liked the episode. PS: Marie NOOOO!!!! |
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| As a VN reader, I must say this episode felt really weird. I guess that the giant skeleton was supposed to be the visualization of Reinhard's power which was described beutifully in the novel (of course they had to adapt it somehow). The nitrogen scene also was somewhat different and Ren going into Eine Faust Finale out of nowhere was totally random. I must say that I really liked Reinhard's pressure crushing down the bridge. I'd rate today's episode 4/5. Can't wait to see the Battalion of Three playing instruments in the castle ;) |
| This episode was quite decent and for the first time I quite enjoyed it. I liked how they handled some of the scenes, like explaining the importance of Shirou´s deja-vu (it was a good addition in spite of Shirou breaking the 4th wall) or how Ren freaked out when he sensed Reinhard as he was fighting Kei. Even the action parts were ok, a big improvement from the pathetic still shots so far. Shirou vs Willhelm was quite short, but they still delivered the point home with how Shirou outsmarted his opponent. The Reinhard confrontation felt a bit weird (and funny) with the original take they did, but that aside it was still enjoyable for the wrong reasons. Also, props for the OST since it brought out the best in some of those scenes... Mephistopheles in particular was amazing. |
KaitonNov 17, 2017 12:55 PM
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| The fight between Ren and Reinhard was totally different from that in the VN. Ren's transformation felt totally out of place, not to mention its animated form looked terrible as well. I wish the individual fights lasted a bit longer though, as they cut a lot of it from the VN. |
| It could be better animated but I feel the passion and edge. Ren's transformation again and reinhard with his golden skeleton XD |
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| Unexciting animation (nothing new here though), a far less believable hydrogen scene, the moment Ren freaks out was kind of weird, Ren's final blow against Kei was anticlimatic, Ren turns into a flying spider that speaks like a robot unlike the scene in the VN, Reinhard goes full Godzilla/Mecha... that was weird. |
FlamepriesTNov 17, 2017 12:15 PM
| Goddamn it looks like it's outta an amateur flash video editor, and the changes are just bizarre. Up there for worst VN adaptation lol. |
InsertanamehereNov 17, 2017 12:19 PM
Even though the fight was mostly anime original, the power displayed by Reinhard and his Golden skeleton is canon, so eh, I'm not too concerned about it. Mercurius's shot from the Throne is also one of the best scenes in this anime and that was original too. I'm not sure if Eine Faust Finale isn't enough to damage Reinhard when only a few Swastikas are open and he isn't at full power though. Then again it was never said otherwise, so I guess this confirms it. |
| Most of the episode didn't make sense and 90% of Ren\Reinhard fight was anime original but holy shit i actually enjoyed ~ |
Insertanamehere said: Goddamn it looks like it's outta an amateur flash video editor, and the changes are just bizarre. Up there for worst VN adaptation lol. It will be necessary one day to understand that at the base they did not have money to produce this Anime, how do you with this base, to produce a good adaptation of a game with very long base? I am not against critical opinions, but I have the impression that one seeks the perfect adaptation without understanding the difficulties of production. |
Izanagi said: Although Ren's formation became his final form but he didn't had any special abilities; pretty strange. Next episode will probably be Ren and Shirou fighting together as one entity? Even then, without Marie, can Ren even win? Well all this is anime original, in the VN he just get trashed after the very first attack he did, he also didn't turn into his final form |
| Ren in the anime have EFF without even going over Overture lol |
SH4kun said: Even though the fight was mostly anime original, the power displayed by Reinhard and his Golden skeleton is canon, so eh, I'm not too concerned about it. Mercurius's shot from the Throne is also one of the best scenes in this anime and that was original too. I'm not sure if Eine Faust Finale isn't enough to damage Reinhard when only a few Swastikas are open and he isn't at full power though. Then again it was never said otherwise, so I guess this confirms it. In the VN he wasn't fazed by EFF Ren with 5 Swastikas opened so it make sense i think, i mean it was never stated Ren have chance againts Reinhard even with EFF |
Devil_Slayer said: can't wait for ren and co to turn into Ren in the anime have EFF without even going over Overture lol for the finale |
InsertanamehereNov 17, 2017 1:40 PM
| The first episode that I actually enjoyed. |
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| Well that was interesting...i felt like i spoiled some of the Marie route for myself tho. Still only on the Kei route. Shirou and Wilhelm are great to watch as usual, the way they constantly mentioned Shirou's sense of deja vu was heavy handed tho. Shirou vs. Wilhelm ended slightly differently, there was no chase. But i like this change honestly. Ren vs. Sakurai followed the VN, and i lol'd at when he suddenly screamed in terror as he felt Reinhard's precense. It was also fun to watch Trifa laugh maniacally like in the VN. Everything after that tho was completely different...it was cool despite the animation being lacking by today's standards. But as someone who hasnt read the Marie route yet, i feel like i ruined it for myself... But overall, it was a gripping episode despite the lackluster animation and art. |
 The peasant is bound by the king. The king is bound by the peasants and their kingdom. But the Viking is bound to nothing but themselves. |
VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: Well that was interesting...i felt like i spoiled some of the Marie route for myself tho. Still only on the Kei route. ... Everything after that tho was completely different...it was cool despite the animation being lacking by today's standards. But as someone who hasnt read the Marie route yet, i feel like i ruined it for myself... Only the last scene is a spoiler for Marie's route, so don't worry, but there is a spoiler for Rea's route in this episode. Honestly, you should put the anime on on-hold atleast until you finish Marie's route. |
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ovy7 said: VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: Well that was interesting...i felt like i spoiled some of the Marie route for myself tho. Still only on the Kei route. ... Everything after that tho was completely different...it was cool despite the animation being lacking by today's standards. But as someone who hasnt read the Marie route yet, i feel like i ruined it for myself... Only the last scene is a spoiler for Marie's route, so don't worry, but there is a spoiler for Rea's route in this episode. Honestly, you should put the anime on on-hold atleast until you finish Marie's route. I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. |
| The peasant is bound by the king. The king is bound by the peasants and their kingdom. But the Viking is bound to nothing but themselves. |
| Right when I think I understand this show, it just goes further beyond my comprehension. I need some help |
Tokoya said: adapatations are not supposed to be carbon copies of source materials and until the anime community in general can accept that and judge an anime based on what it presents and how they handle every episode, these threads will continue to be filled with hate posts by purists |
Rocksterrock said: Right when I think I understand this show, it just goes further beyond my comprehension. I need some help What part you don't get ? |
Troll12345678966 said: So... how does the powersyatem wirk in this world? From what i understand you gain the power of the person you killed and is able to do whatever he or she could do.(said in a previous episode i think) not too sure on that tho. And Reinhardt had an army in the millions, so does he have the power of millions?? And does he have the oower of all the soliders (german at least) that died during this world ww2?? If so how dis he get the credit and power for all those men?? Please somebody smarter clear this up to me, i dont ubderstand at all. Yeah the more you kill and take souls the more you gain power, Reinhard indeed have power of millions soldiers that all belong to his legion along with all the special power those nazi you saw so far However he's not at full power yet, you need to open 7 gates to get his back to world and for him to get his full power back, today episode he had only 2 gates opened like they said in the episode |
VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: ovy7 said: Only the last scene is a spoiler for Marie's route, so don't worry, but there is a spoiler for Rea's route in this episode. Honestly, you should put the anime on on-hold atleast until you finish Marie's route. I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. Marie is even longer and Rea's is the longest. The whole game is like what, 70-80 hours total if you count side stories? (guessing, didn't count) Marie and Rea's route alone are like 30 hours or so, maybe a bit longer, so it can be quite lengthy. Troll12345678966 said: So... how does the powersyatem wirk in this world? From what i understand you gain the power of the person you killed and is able to do whatever he or she could do.(said in a previous episode i think) not too sure on that tho. And Reinhardt had an army in the millions, so does he have the power of millions?? And does he have the oower of all the soliders (german at least) that died during this world ww2?? If so how dis he get the credit and power for all those men?? Please somebody smarter clear this up to me, i dont ubderstand at all. More souls = More power. Reinhard is fueled by millions of jews and German soldiers, so it can lead their corpses like an army with his EX Rank Charisma. All the other members of the LDO (bad guys) once they die also become part of him and he can use their powers at will too. He's barely able to muster power at this state, the more swastikas that are open (may it be by killing hundreds of innocents or a powerful in a certain location) lead to him gaining more power so he can finally awaken at full power. At his strongest, Reinhard can destroy and repaint the multiverse with his own law, so yeah, he's crazy strong, literally god tier. |
GoldenSaltPillarNov 17, 2017 2:18 PM
VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: ovy7 said: Only the last scene is a spoiler for Marie's route, so don't worry, but there is a spoiler for Rea's route in this episode. Honestly, you should put the anime on on-hold atleast until you finish Marie's route. I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. If you're almost done with Kei's route the you got enough time to finish Marie's route. How do you like them till now? Kasumi and Kei's route I mean. |
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Devil_Slayer said: Rocksterrock said: Right when I think I understand this show, it just goes further beyond my comprehension. I need some help What part you don't get ? Are they trying to kill main character dude or not? Are they testing him? Why are they trying to make him their enemy? Is it just because they want war? I'm a little lost. Pretty much I just want an explanation for the villains goals, how mc got those powers and who is this special person he's reincarnated from and why is he so important? Let me know unless this will be brought up later on |
Tokoya said: adapatations are not supposed to be carbon copies of source materials and until the anime community in general can accept that and judge an anime based on what it presents and how they handle every episode, these threads will continue to be filled with hate posts by purists |
| this ep is so funny lul. kept laughing till the end it felt weird as f too for me but i just laugh it off lul |
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SH4kun said: VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. Marie is even longer and Rea's is the longest. The whole game is like what, 70-80 hours total if you count side stories? (guessing, didn't count) Marie and Rea's route alone are like 30 hours or so, maybe a bit longer, so it can be quite lengthy. Shiiiiiiiit, i got lot of reading to do... ovy7 said: VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. If you're almost done with Kei's route the you got enough time to finish Marie's route. How do you like them till now? Kasumi and Kei's route I mean. Kasumi route was a good intro to the series, the crazy stuff only happens once the battallion commanders got involved. I liked how it went on to explain Trifa's motivations, it makes him easier to understand, not to mention making him one of my favorite chars. As for Kasumi herself, i liked her, she's basically the shining light of her friends, the mother figure that keeps Ren's normal life from falling apart. As much as i love Kei x Ren, Ren x Kasumi makes more sense. Ironically more deserving of the title "Sonnenkind" then Rea. I also liked how it introduced and resolved Kei's conflict despite not going into depth with it, Kei however took up like half of the show, i sometimes wondered if i was in the wrong route. But the route as a whole is great as an introduction to the Dies Irae universe. That ending tho. Kei route Oh and 1 more thing @ovy7 did i get Ren and Kei's relationship right? or was there more to it? |
OutlawedDrifterNov 17, 2017 2:44 PM
| The peasant is bound by the king. The king is bound by the peasants and their kingdom. But the Viking is bound to nothing but themselves. |
ovy7 said: VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: I thought i could blaze through the Kei route before this episode, i was wrong. Im almost done tho. If you're almost done with Kei's route the you got enough time to finish Marie's route. How do you like them till now? Kasumi and Kei's route I mean. Kasumi route was a good intro to the series, the crazy stuff only happens once the battallion commanders got involved. I liked how it went on to explain Trifa's motivations, it makes him easier to understand, not to mention making him one of my favorite chars. As for Kasumi herself, i liked her, she's basically the shining light of her friends, the mother figure that keeps Ren's normal life from falling apart. As much as i love Kei x Ren, Ren x Kasumi makes more sense. Ironically more deserving of the title "Sonnenkind" then Rea. I also liked how it introduced and resolved Kei's conflict despite not going into depth with it, Kei however took up like half of the show, i sometimes wondered if i was in the wrong route. But the route as a whole is great as an introduction to the Dies Irae universe. That ending tho. Kei route Oh and 1 more thing @ovy7 did i get Ren and Kei's relationship right? or was there more to it? Yep, you nailed it. |
ovy7Nov 17, 2017 3:08 PM
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@ovy7 can you clarify a few more things for me pls? Can you sum up Lisa and Sakurai's backgrounds and motivations at this point for me? Reading something this long, im bound to forget a few things. |
| The peasant is bound by the king. The king is bound by the peasants and their kingdom. But the Viking is bound to nothing but themselves. |
Oh! a Ghoul! And this one that appeared at the end who is ._.?  I'm not liking the anime, it's like ... if you wanted to show everything epic and supernatural to get attention. Although I think that if I played the light novel I would be fonder of it (I do not know English / Japanese, so no) |
| The question isn't "What anime do you like?" That is merely a list. The question is "Why do you like it?" That tells a story. Your story. |
Sakurai Kei, the one who fought Ren with a Flaming Sword? The girl that taught him how to use his powers? Also whats that thing sticking out of her skirt? Is she getting a wedgie? hot |
| The peasant is bound by the king. The king is bound by the peasants and their kingdom. But the Viking is bound to nothing but themselves. |
| Ngl yh, this has an good storyline... But the animation was so excited next level sh*t, and not know good way. I've only watched the anime portrayal of dies irae so I don't know how it actually looks (i.e. ren and Heydrich's skeleton susanoo thing), surely it's not like that though |
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| The animation is so awkward. Ironically, it's still better than Fate/Apocrypha's fights. Ayoooo. |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
tambi33 said: Ngl yh, this has an good storyline... But the animation was so excited next level sh*t, and not know good way. I've only watched the anime portrayal of dies irae so I don't know how it actually looks (i.e. ren and Heydrich's skeleton susanoo thing), surely it's not like that though Bit different https://m.imgur.com/ZoxLIeE http://s2.narvii.com/image/dtq4xs3pdfgfjrsf54gg7puwj7cmzsev_hq.jpg |
InsertanamehereNov 17, 2017 10:44 PM
VIKINGUBERMENSCH said: @ovy7 can you clarify a few more things for me pls? Can you sum up Lisa and Sakurai's backgrounds and motivations at this point for me? Reading something this long, im bound to forget a few things. Kei This will be rehashed a bit more in Keis route which you're reading right now, and to a lesser extent the Verfaulender Segen Side Story which should be read afterward (I'd recommend taking a break from the anime btw, since we've reached the divergence point for the routes now, and they seem to plan on adding in things from other routes so they'll probably spoil Reas as well as Maries-They already did the Die Morgendammerung Side Story, for instance) Lisas motivations will be rehashed in Reas route where she plays a larger role, but more or less Here's the spiderman moment from the Rusalka LN of a conversation between Rusalka and Lisa which shows quite a bit of Lisas character (the first page, in any case); https://i.imgur.com/ZdcV6Lc.png |
InsertanamehereNov 17, 2017 11:48 PM
Rocksterrock said: Are they trying to kill main character dude or not? Are they testing him? Why are they trying to make him their enemy? Is it just because they want war? I'm a little lost. Pretty much I just want an explanation for the villains goals, how mc got those powers and who is this special person he's reincarnated from and why is he so important? Let me know unless this will be brought up later on 1-No they are not trying to kill the MC if they wanted to they would gang up on him or Reinhard would just kill him right there 2-They are testing him and trying to make him stronger so he can battle them 3-It was explained in the anime, basically to summon Reinhard to the real world you need to open 8 Swastikas and to open those Swastikas you need to have bloody battle on them or kill hundred of people, Ren is their pawn he need to fight them at every Swastikas location so it can open Again the LDO "Nazi guys" are trying to Summon Reinhard and his so they can join him in Valahala and get their wishes granted, it's all was explained in ep 4 of the anime Ren got those power because Marie the guillotine princesses is staying in his body thus granting his super power and stuff, without her he's normal guy |
Insertanamehere said: tambi33 said: Ngl yh, this has an good storyline... But the animation was so excited next level sh*t, and not know good way. I've only watched the anime portrayal of dies irae so I don't know how it actually looks (i.e. ren and Heydrich's skeleton susanoo thing), surely it's not like that though Bit different https://m.imgur.com/ZoxLIeE http://s2.narvii.com/image/dtq4xs3pdfgfjrsf54gg7puwj7cmzsev_hq.jpg Funny in the whole VN EFF Ren vs Beast never happened |
| @VIKINGUBERMENSCH For how important Kasumi was in the common route she get downplayed later even in her actual route, it's not like the girls are even that good to being with "aside from Kei " Best part of the VN is the Guys even the creators admit it |
| It wasn't exactly well animated or anything, but at least we got a few decently entertaining fight scenes this week, even if they have unfortunately set things up in such a way that it's going to take one hell of an asspull to stop Reinhard. |
Devil_Slayer said: Insertanamehere said: Bit different https://m.imgur.com/ZoxLIeE http://s2.narvii.com/image/dtq4xs3pdfgfjrsf54gg7puwj7cmzsev_hq.jpg Funny in the whole VN EFF Ren vs Beast never happened EFF Ren isn't strong enough to fight Reinhard, basically |
He manage to "scratch" him in marie route when 8 gate were opened and that was Ren with overture although his bond with marie in that rotue was much stronger than in Rea one Of course Reinhard is too strong even for EFF |
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