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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well, that pretty much wrapped the show up. In the aftermath of the battle, Yujin takes the fall and has a final bittersweet moment with the others by his side. Not surprising tbh considering everything they've been through. I suppose it was predictable but works with the story arc involving the Leviathan. Peace is restored. |
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| I know its not perfect and has some filler, bit in the I really did love Appmon, really great show, I was crying at the end, and really nice that the Appmon remain with their buddies, and that Yuujin seems to be alive at the end :) |
Lin Xianming is best waifu and you can't change my mind. |
| They kinda rush epilogue part but hey its more satisfying than Adventure Tri. Man after all of that i think Haru going to create Digital World and Digimon to real artificial intelligence or have to say digital intelligence? Well if Toei put more care to Appmon i think it will better than all other Digimon but nope they don't really care Appmon that much after few episode. |
ZBlastHistorySep 29, 2017 10:57 PM
| Into the Internet! |
| I cried -_- it's seems like Leviatan gave up controlling human after saw haru's action, but damn that choice is cruel. I don't really know about digimon, but this anime is pretty good representing the theme of artificial intelligence and advanced technology. 人類 Good Luck! |
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| well a nice wrap him...the appmon got to stay nice... |
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| That last scene ruined the drama. At least it was better than Hunter-tachi. |
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| I gonna miss this show. |
| Thank God this trash is finally over. 3/10 please let the next Digimon series actually be good. |
| In my opinion, the series was somewhat good in the first half, minus the fillers, but kinda gotten weak after Yuujin was introduced as an Appli Driver. Idk, the rest of the series and Yuujin just didn't click with me, with the exception of some parts. As for this episode, the fight was good at least. But my main issue is why the heck did Leviathan even give Haru a choice, it had what it wanted, almost all of mankind has undergone applification , and if any of the Appli Drivers tried to stop him, he could just threaten to erase mankind. People are going to say that Yuujin influenced it, ok, but Leviathan being a cold and calculating A.I. the entire time and then becoming a merciful choice giver in the last 5 minutes of the series is just bullcrap. This makes the ending mediocre to me. But to be fair I'll give this series an 8, just because of some of its stronger points, the comedy which was not that bad, and my personal opinion that the main characters (not Yuujin) of this series were fun and interesting, and maybe even more unique that some characters of the various Digimon series in the past. |
| The series isn't the best when it comes to overarching plot, but I enjoyed the characters a lot in this. |
| REJECT ANIMU - EMBRACE TOKU |
Luph said: Tigerdrenalin said: As for this episode, the fight was good at least. But my main issue is why the heck did Leviathan even give Haru a choice, it had what it wanted, almost all of mankind has undergone applification , and if any of the Appli Drivers tried to stop him, he could just threaten to erase mankind. People are going to say that Yuujin influenced it, ok, but Leviathan being a cold and calculating A.I. the entire time and then becoming a merciful choice giver in the last 5 minutes of the series is just bullcrap. This makes the ending mediocre to me. Leviathan is not evil; it only lacked moral. The goal of human application project was to make humans become apps so that they are rid of imperfections, diseases, deaths, etc. It is not an act of mercy. Leviathan itself still thinks of the best interest of humans and Haru has defeated Leviathan's grand master plan, so essentially Haru has some ground / worth to Leviathan more than any other humans. I never said Leviathan was evil, only that it is an emotionless A.I. And ok, it's true that it wanted the best for humans, although through extreme means. And it accomplished just that, a life for mankind free of death and sickness. But my question is still why, why did Leviathan gamble it all away with Haru? How did Haru prove himself worthy? He hadn't stopped L's plans yet, the Drivers only destroyed L's body, but not L himself, because it downloaded itself into Yuujin. Leviathan was still winning, and humans were all turned into apps. So why give someone a choice that could ruin all the plans Leviathan waited and worked hard for? That's my issue here, why give an A.I. a sudden change in heart when it had no heart to begin with. It doesn't make any sense. It was an A.I. designed to do what it was designed to do, it was the more extreme part of Minerva, Minerva itself being designed to help I think. And even if it did develop feelings, why was Haru worthy to get a choice? It thought Haru could make a difference because he fights for others and not for himself? To be fair, the other Drivers did the exact same thing. Everyone stopped countless Appmon from making chaos which would devastate human lives, and even Rei fought to save mankind in the final episodes. And even before that, Rei only fought for his brother, not himself. Astra fought for others too, his father was dying from sort of a heart attack and he went to beat Medicmon for causing it. And Eri's sole career as an idol is based on her wish to make other people happy. So what exactly makes Haru stand out, when every other Driver had the same right to make that choice. |
| They really rushed the last episodes, it's like they're not even trying to sell these Kami Appmon toys, first they were just handed to the protagonists waay too easily, and then they just jam 3 of them in one episode and they didn't really show them in any cool or dominating manner, imagine if Dukemon or WarGreymon got this much of a shaft, Even the Ultimate forms had it better. It was a mistake to base the entire story on Yuujin imo, that shoulda been just a subplot, they just filled the rest with boring filler, That Ai Bookstore girl had 0 relevance on anything despite always being with the protagonists, they could've done something with her character. Minerva's role in this show is fucking comical, despite her being Leviathan's original self, she did nothing but hand out power ups and had no substantial presence, and then they just had Leviathan shoot her satellite at the end of it all, wtf lol. My favorite moment of the anime is that Globemon planet wide annihilation of virusmon, Bokura no War games style. Show had it's moments but overall it's really underwhelming, the franchise will probably never again reach the highs it did with Adventure and Tamers. Still not as bad as Xros Wars Hunters at least. Leviathan's design in the anime looked really awful, here's his other generic design from the manga: |
Drake1000Oct 2, 2017 3:57 PM
Tigerdrenalin said: Luph said: Leviathan is not evil; it only lacked moral. The goal of human application project was to make humans become apps so that they are rid of imperfections, diseases, deaths, etc. It is not an act of mercy. Leviathan itself still thinks of the best interest of humans and Haru has defeated Leviathan's grand master plan, so essentially Haru has some ground / worth to Leviathan more than any other humans. I never said Leviathan was evil, only that it is an emotionless A.I. And ok, it's true that it wanted the best for humans, although through extreme means. And it accomplished just that, a life for mankind free of death and sickness. But my question is still why, why did Leviathan gamble it all away with Haru? How did Haru prove himself worthy? He hadn't stopped L's plans yet, the Drivers only destroyed L's body, but not L himself, because it downloaded itself into Yuujin. Leviathan was still winning, and humans were all turned into apps. So why give someone a choice that could ruin all the plans Leviathan waited and worked hard for? That's my issue here, why give an A.I. a sudden change in heart when it had no heart to begin with. It doesn't make any sense. It was an A.I. designed to do what it was designed to do, it was the more extreme part of Minerva, Minerva itself being designed to help I think. And even if it did develop feelings, why was Haru worthy to get a choice? It thought Haru could make a difference because he fights for others and not for himself? To be fair, the other Drivers did the exact same thing. Everyone stopped countless Appmon from making chaos which would devastate human lives, and even Rei fought to save mankind in the final episodes. And even before that, Rei only fought for his brother, not himself. Astra fought for others too, his father was dying from sort of a heart attack and he went to beat Medicmon for causing it. And Eri's sole career as an idol is based on her wish to make other people happy. So what exactly makes Haru stand out, when every other Driver had the same right to make that choice. Leviathan test humanity (Haru) if they selfish enough to sacrifice mankind's future for a "robot" or sacrifice self happiness aka Yuujin for mankind's future. Its like Yuusei from 5D sacrifice his own duel careers for the future. |
| Into the Internet! |
| Pretty effective wrapping. I wasn't expecting this much. 4/5 What a long road for so little, it was mostly uneventful (on various scales) for most of the show. Still an okay children episodic show, introducing them to a few ideas about technology, its problem and conscious use of it. This aspect, more developed, would have given a certain meaning to it. Overall: 4.5/10 Not bad, but nothin |
glaceon_cute said: Tigerdrenalin said: But my question is still why, why did Leviathan gamble it all away with Haru? How did Haru prove himself worthy? He hadn't stopped L's plans yet, the Drivers only destroyed L's body, but not L himself, because it downloaded itself into Yuujin. Leviathan was still winning, and humans were all turned into apps. So why give someone a choice that could ruin all the plans Leviathan waited and worked hard for? That's my issue here, why give an A.I. a sudden change in heart when it had no heart to begin with. It doesn't make any sense. It was an A.I. designed to do what it was designed to do, it was the more extreme part of Minerva, Minerva itself being designed to help I think. I think you should rewatch the episode or revisit the later half of it. You may have missed an instant of the fear of death comes from L, when talking about "There is no need for fear of death", L shows a frustrated expression. After experienced it, L slowly understood better the concept of emotion, because thanks to that fear, that L tried to escape and lives later inside Yuujin. L, like Yuujin, has slowly gains "emotion", or a "heart" like Haru would say. Yuujin before death, said that L told him "When AI gets a body, it gains doubts", saying it means L had doubt about his decision about helping humans in that way. Do you consider what a "super AI" actually means to humans nowadays? We try, and want AI to have "emotion", and yes, by wanting to evolve even further, L and Yuujin gain "emotion". L's objective is always "evolve humans", he sees the potential of humans to evolve by themselves, and he sees that he cant plan everything because humans are unpredictable. That's why he tested the last time to see whether humans can make a "logical" decision when emotion involved. Haru at that time just happened to be the most perfect candidate, more than the others because of his relationship with Yuujin, who is an AI. L wants to see the possibility of co-existence between humans and AI, and Haru gives him that by saying he is going to save Yuujin, showing his hope to co-exist with AI, and showing that human can sacrifices emotion for logic. L is satisfied with Haru's answer. I tend to believe it was L that let real Yuujin appears again to see if an AI in turns, can act out of emotion. L just curious, wants to learn, evolve and help humans. L is some of the best villains I have ever seen, tbh. The whole Appmon series is about kindness and understanding, and the ending shows that by L understands the concept of emotion. When Denemon said Yuujin grew a heart, Astra said it made no sense, lol. Appmon admits that, but show the possibility of it happens. Sorry for the late reply. Still, L choosing Haru because he is friends an A.I. that L himself created is completely biased. The buddy Appmon are all A.I. too, maybe not on the super A.I. level as L is, butt still relevant to point out. Why shaft the other Appli Drivers then, when they too worked and co-existed with their buddy A.I.s. I've seen L's fear, haven't missed that part, I was just confused. But as you said, even appmon pointed out that A.I. emotions don't make sense. After all, the anime was meant to target children (at least japanese children, Idk how their age rating standards work), so maybe we are both looking too much into every detail when the show was just meant to be simple and fun to watch, while educating the viewers in the use and dangers of the internet and technology as a bonus. Not hating it, just some of its plotholes. |
| I think they should build better the idea that Leviathan is actually a good guy, to me still feel like he is too radical to be nice, trying to kill children and all that Feels much more like a good vs evil scenario than just a conflict of opinions Also, the anime will be much better without the CGI |
ABSQUE_o1Oct 31, 2017 2:27 AM
| The theory “Artificial Intelligence suprpassing human intellect” or “Appmon type of Digimon” is probably one of the biggest trends as of late - some might even say it’s over-saturated.So, how do you stand out? Invert it - like this show did.At first, I got mad on how stupid the characther desings were. This was the 'first' non-Digimon anime to have bean compleated and original created by the same company. I'm a huge Digimon fan my self you can say. I still enjoyed the show despite the filler or cringe moments. This is probably my favorite in the Appmon Era so far. I will give the show this. They could have been super lazy and had all the apps based off of pre existing apps. Good to know they are getting creative.... Appmon Chip, Ready! APPLIARIZE! In case you haven't noticed, Appmon changes quite a bit from past Digimon series, creating its own elements that are independent of those used in past stories. However, the same underlying themes of Mons based on digital technology and partnership still remain. Consider Appmon and Digimon to be separate in their own way, but the Agumon from ep 45 conffermed that Digimon do co-exted with appmon in some ways or another. The Appmon smartphone calling way was kinda chessy,imo. A lot of my other issues, like the poor writing, terrible CG, terrible digimon design, all of that would still exist, but I probably would find the show still tolerable as long as the characters and the world felt real. However, It still has some good moments and the fights look cool. Honestly, I think that is mostly Toei's fault. We are in a period where legal streaming of anime is at an all time high to the point that many people have tried to completely stop their pirating all together because we now have better alternatives. Toei refusing to take advantage of that probably reduces the number of potential viewers greatly. Granted it is possible that it is Nickelodeon's fault as well. They might have made it part of their deal for the localization of it that they can't stream the japanese version, though I think that is stupid because generally speaking you have two different demographics for the japanese and english versions. Also, I blame the fact that it was just so bad at the start. I think there are a lot of people like myself who tried it and just got burnt out waiting for it to get good. Also, subbers stop caring for this series and that's probably one one of the issues with them. I'm surprised by how much I like Astra. I hated him when he was first introduced but now I love him, he's really grown on me.Appmon has really great coloring/lighting. The animation is so beautiful sometimes. Appmon’s become my favorite Digimon series and I’m really sad to see it ending. It’s different from every other season, but it’s honestly a really strong season and I love everything about it, I’d strongly urge everyone to at least give it a try. It even got me back to watching Digimon after Hunters almost killed my brain-cells. Even the music is outstanging as hell. CG; I think the CG in Appmon makes it perfect for a toyline! I remember as a child, toys based on cartoons and anime would always seem a little off, like they were nothing like the characters they were based on. It's because those toys were based on two-dimensional cartoon characters, so of course they'd look weird when made into 3D toys. The CG in Appmon works around that perfectly by just making the Appmon naturally three-dimensional, the toys based around it would exactly like the characters! Now for some easter eggs: WHY IS THIS SHOW TRYING TO COPYCAT YU-GI-OH! ARC-V? Shinkai Haru strongly looks like Yuya Sakaki Karan Eri loks like Yuzu Hiragi Astra is Shingo Sawatari Gatchmon is Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon The Afro runing gag guy from the Appmon with the pharase 'no' is somewhat Noboru Gongenzaka Rei is either Shun Kurosaki or strongly Reiji Akaba Leviathan is Supreme King Z-ARC Anyway.NightmareFuel is somewhat accurate for a kids shows.It's later explained by Leviathan's reveal that Yuujin is actually part of him, which doesn't only mean that Yuujin can't live without Leviathan. But also the frightening possibility that all physical damages Leviathan took from Gaiamon and the others, indifferently affected the innocent-all-along Yuujin. Haru might have unintentionally killed the friend he tried to save, sooner than he thought...YJ-14 being a robot from the get go was a shock and foreshadowing. It's easlily predictable and alot of Season 1 is consitant of filler.Artificial Intelligence suprpassing human intellect is actually what bugs about Leviathan all this time. One, it came from the first 4 episodes and got less used till way at the end. While the cast fells less unrealistic and more sci-fi like. The characterd grow to you really good. While the cringe was bad at first, It ain't all that much as of 2018. From what I read on the feeds. Appmon was suppose to nothing like Digimon and the creators have bean told menny times that they never wanted this series to happen or make people believe it's a Digimon official series they'd look bad. It's like Yokai watch. Now, from the premise alone, you might think this is an anime in the same vein as Hunters -I’m sorry, Digimon 02 only worse - where a bland male lead meets a very loud and annoying Digimon. Some says Hunters was far,far worse and this become 2.0 Really, the first of the few problems this show has is that the last arc really feels like it should of bean the real arc - while the setup around the arc is interesting...it just felt a bit too repetitive for my tastes. I don’t mind the ending, but I would’ve preferred it if they had cut things down a bit. Kotaro is the composer for music along with ( Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc-V, Code Geass series, Hyakujuu Sentai Gaoranger, GoGo Sentai Boukenger, Kamen Rider Decade, Kamen Rider W, Kamen Rider OOO, Kamen Rider Wizard, Kamen Rider Drive. He provided the music for many of the Kamen Rider and Super Sentai tokusatsu shows and films. He even provided the Code Geass music. The music is memorable and even far better than previous series have done. He is a 10/10 composer. Overall, despite some problems, I still found Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters to be a lot of fun, and I give it an 9 out of 10 |
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| I'm not really sure about this, but the way i understood the ending was that everything was planned from day 1, but i mean EVERYTHING, including the moment were L decides to give Haru The choice to save humanity or Yuujin. I'm just saying this because when everything is back to normal, they show an interview with a scientist where he says that a singularity happens when AI surpasses humankind. My first thought was that Minerva/L had everything planned because for humankind to evolve the singularity had to take place. am i the only one who thought this? |
To be quite honest, I don't understand the point of making a digimon that isn't digimon. (Though I can understand wanting to move away from the chains of Adventure since its a curse to any season that tries to follow it.) And honestly, Appmon hasn't convinced me of anything, but one thing: Toei can't make a good Digimon show.
Bad: In the end, Appmon could have had potential but they made too kiddy, tried to be "hello, fellow kids" and didn't seem to know how to pad out 52 episodes - all of it leading to just another bad season on Digimon's profile. If I want A.I. companions that help fight with their chosen humans to protect their world from the baddies in the digital world, I'd just watch Rockman.EXE. It's better done and doesn't (always) treat their audience like idiots. As for the world, I don't know if we need more of Digimon Universe, tbh. The story nor Appmon's world doesn't need anything added extra like Adventure. New seasons that stray away from the mold of Adventure are more than welcomed, as long as that new mold doesn't become Appmon or Tamers or any past season. That and I like Digimon as Digimon. Give us the sci-fi or medieval or the supernatural or whatever, as long as I can look at it and say "Yup that looks like Digimon" not "uh, is this Digimon or Rockman.EXE?" |
| What a masterpiece of Digimon serie which the spotlight got overtaken by Digimon Tri. (Tri is a complete dumpster fire) If I have to use one sentence to describe this serie, is this is a show on service level catered and aiming to kids, however have enough insight and theme for adults to fully enjoy and appreciate the show. It's such a controversy approach because it may ended up driving away both side of audience if they didn't give enough patience to sit through the whole show and digest the theme and characters. The show try to go through deep and dark theme with flamboyant kid-vibe presentation. It never tries to be overly dark and edgy, yet it doesn't shy away from discuss about dark and serious topic. I didn't expect they'd actually pick a bitter sweet type of end in an supposedly kid oriented show. That last choice is like the ending of Nier Automata, but demonstrate even better than Nier because it has 52 episodes worth of episodes to buildup the relationship. Not to mention this is the first Digimon serie to feature REAL gay relationship in a Digimon serie (It's not just fanfic or implied gayness like other Digimon series, but real affection). On multiple occasion Haru and Yujin confess to each other, and they really treat each other like precious lovers. The 5 main protagonists of this series are all went through amazing development and chemistry. Each of the casts have amazing backstory and character arcs to flash out their ideal, personality, goal, and affection, and none of them are really left out. People said Violet Evergarden is good, but the ONLY character that has enough screen time for development is Violet herself. All the side characters feels empty in the end and does not give me any lasting impression because of how short it is. The pacing of this serie is great too. The only episodes I feel unnecessary / boring/ filler-ish is ep1~6 , before the side characters showed up. It's a shame too because I almost want to drop the serie before like episodes 7 which it finally becomes really good , and getting better and better each episode. The weak start of the serie probably drive away countless audience to endure through the whole show because most people only have patient as thin as 3 episodes for an anime. This show is criminally underrated and underwatched because it is bound by the IP "Digimon", and bound of the entitlement of being a "kid show" , despite go through meaningful character arcs and theme. Sadily, the "old Digimon fans" will complain about this serie not being "Digimon-like", and the new fans will not even look at the show because of the initial "kid-like" show on the surface level. Well I'm glad I gave this serie a try and find a real hidden gem not many have discovered. This serie rivals the original Digimon adventure 01 , which none of the later in between series come close to giving me a lasting impact. |
Ventus_SOct 7, 2020 6:39 PM
glaceon_cute said: ABSQUE_o1 said: I think they should build better the idea that Leviathan is actually a good guy, to me still feel like he is too radical to be nice, trying to kill children and all that Feels much more like a good vs evil scenario than just a conflict of opinions Also, the anime will be much better without the CGI Leviathan is not a good guy, at all. He is clearly treated as villain in this series, and he is not capable of feeling "good" or "evil" in the first place. He just knows what is his purpose and what to achieve, doesnt know the concept of right and wrong. There is no conflict of opinions, what L tries to do is clearly wrong in human's aspect. The show only tries to show the difference between human and AI, by showing the difference of having a heart and not having it. CGI in appmon is well done than most of anime out there so I have no comment, they give us good battle thanks to that, I would take CGI battle over than the thing they got in Tri. CGI is done better with later Digimons. The first 20~ish episodes CGI is so awful to look at it's kinda sad this may drive away many initial Digimon audience too. The fuse form and the old entrance villains' CGI is just so bad XD. Anyway this whole show is much better than 02, 04 , and 06 for sure. (never bother to watch 05 though) |
| One of the better digimon series out of the four I've seen. I still think tamers would be my favourite, but I haven't seen it in years. I agree with above poster, it's a shame the series was somewhat ignored as a result of Tri and the weird parts (character designs + CGI). I wasn't a fan of the cgi at first but when they went all out like in the last episodes fight scenes it achieved what I think couldn't have been done using 2d designs. |
| It was a pretty emotional finale, but the final battle wasn't anything amazing. I'm glad Yujin came back after all. :) Overall, this season wasn't so great. I expected something better. I got fooled by those 9/10 reviews. Never trust reviews, MAL scores or other people's opinions too much. The story didn't really hit me. The characters were also more or less boring except for Eri, who is now actually one of my favorite female characters in this whole franchise. However, this was still better than 02, Tri., or Ghost Game. |
SerafosApr 3, 9:13 AM
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