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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Nina and her fantasies.... Was she actually expecting a kiss in her dreams? Lol. Thought this episode was interesting even with her trapped in this other world. Really amusing to see her try and escape with Bacchus. I'm also glad they focused more on Azazel this week as he takes on the role of a fighter. I do find it interesting that he ends up fighting against Ceasar since their rivalry is now in public. Favaro's entrance into the arena was awesome lmao |
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| That little smile from Charioce though after he saw them escape and create chaos :D Favaro, Kaisar, Azazel, Rita and Rocky together, ooooo here we go! Also Nina, El and Bacchus going down there again, sick descent. |
| At last! Azazel and Favaro are finally in an episode again! :D |
| Azazel vs Kaiser was cool. Favaro saving them was great. He looked funny in the outfit he was wearing. Rita and Rocky helped out too. Azazel is going to help them stop the weapon. |
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| Azazel vs Kaiser was great and Favaro's entrance was funny. El/Mugaro is still determined to bring peace to the world. |
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| I don't like it anymore. With this amount of ikemen it should be aimed at women, but for that it lacks the most important part - well-defined likeable characters (think Noragami, for example). At this point I don't get where they stand, what their views are, and the good party is seriously annoying. Like, they're freinds because they're good and just because. What exactly has made Favaro and Kaisar forgive Azazel (who is still murderous)? Azazel may want to die, but why is he ready to go down for Kaisar, a human? Why doesn't the king do shit again? Isn't Alexander actually right, because yeah, Kaisar brought the problem on himself and his knights? >Charioce rant Seriously, Charioce is such a waste. It's hard to care for him, because zero reasons are given to his actions and even he himself doesn't seem to act involved. He is a) hot, z) cruel, but his goals, his might/expertise/effectiveness, that he is supposed to posess, are left out. And that makes him feel hollow in not a romantic way. OK, make him terrible and unruly, I am all for it. Hotness and bloodlust go well togethe. Think Ashina Sun at the beginning of the Song of the Long March. Charioce XVII is indeed a conqueror and a young huge testosterone powered machine. But them I wanna see him fighting and being really into his coliseum shows, switching between his kingly mask and violence. (And his fanservice being sparring/workouts.) Or make him scheming, psyhotic, emotionally sadistic (disturbed), I dunno. But them, if he has staged Kaisar to fight before his knights, I wanna see the king enjoying their anguish properly. Show me how he drinks their suffering and torments them verbally for additional kicks. Also give some info on what he wanted to achieve from this fight after sparing Kaisar for so damn long. (Take Commander Kakisou from Xam'd as an example of military manipulator.) Xenophobic? Ok, show me the contrast between how he treats demons and people in its worst forms if needed. Make him issue papers to official slavers, butcher demon kids while playing with human ones. Let him be painfully blind, not seeing any similarities between the races, while the future obviously lies there. But since he has achievements, it'd be better to also demonstrate some of his effective side, if only to make him more intimidating for the main party. Show how he is a sacred adored leader for his black soldiers, his new magic power, his working ability, his arcane knowledge, his charisma when organizing people - something must have let him to ascend. But goddamit, not more of this pretty doll on a chair. He is the king, he knows he will die soon, what's happening is his doing, why is he so indifferent as to not even turn his head?! (Also he has the damned teleporting captain just besides him to stop Fava.) Annoying! /rant ended I feel bad for arguing that this series is a good actioney show for everyone now. |
deadoptimistJul 21, 2017 4:26 PM
| I can understand if people are getting annoyed by Nina, but lol, I still love her. I also liked the face off of Kaisar and Azael. Highlight was of course Favaro xD with him back again things have gotten pretty fun from one second to the other. Great episode,looking forward to next week. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Kaisar vs Azazel have a nice mortal combat there good that Favaro rescue both of them in the end meanwhile El/Mugaro is going back to the surface together with Bacchus and Nina |
| Honestly I love Nina's voice as well, what's wrong with it? She's 16 and cheerful |
| Alot happend this episode, one of the best so far! Nina and co are back down and it seems like Azazel and Kaizar will make their escape with the help of our good old friend Favaro! |
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That's a fine analysis, but at ep.16 I need more of this being actually shown on-screen. Plus this is a visual medium and his scenes consisting of him sitting with a poker face just don't cut it anymore for me. Better things could've been done with him. He is attractive and problematic for Nina, but what's about his personal qualities and might? We may still get some development for him but it is too late, especially for his backstory. I honestly see no benefit to not reveal at least bits of it by now. The length of manga has nothing to do with the example of Ashina tho. He is presented as very hot and very bloody, since he is a warmaster, right at the beginning. Even when civil he shows his background. Similarly in the early episodes we saw Charioce grinning, seemingly battle hungry, but so far he hasn't got a satisfying battle scene. I mean he lost to Kaisar and that's it (personally, I find it stupid that he couldn't adapt to Kaisar's hand, he fought through weirder things in Hell, but that's besides the point) I had high hopes for his respect towards Kaisar, but he haven't talked to Kaisar since that nighttime conversation. Why not let him visit Kaisar in prison? And putting Kaisar against Azazel is either torture or death (basically the king says - break your convictions under my pressure or die), so that's so much for respect. Charioce couldn't know that Kaisar would escape. (And putting Favaro, the hero, and Kaisar, recently the captain, on the arena seems politically risky, when there's unrest, that's a huge disrespect towards a whole knight order, one of his two and already slighted because of Jeanne. But that's again going too far.) And I don't get why Charioce is so nonchalant towards people escaping from his grasp. They hinder his plans, and he isn't even earnest in his attempts to catch them despite declaring that he likes to approach things with the "fight with all might" attitude. Little details just don't add up. And I don't like lukewarm characters that don't act out their convictions. Sorry, I meant Noragami as manga. I don't think that Noragami is ideal, but I think that the characters are complex and, most importantly, they follow their own rules. If you mean the false Ebisu, than she is a good example. She may be friendly most of the time, but there're a lot fo things to not cross with her. And when the time comes she puts in the effort. Like when she tries to protect Yato and takes out her fan, she actually lets hell loose. I want to see Charioce finally show his feelings and abilities too. |
deadoptimistJul 21, 2017 5:47 PM
| Favaro helping Kaisar and Azazel escape was exciting to watch. I thought it was kind of funny how Kaisar temporarily got his hand back and then Rita just took it from him again lol. The events taking place with Nina and co. was pretty funny. El successfully escaped the land of the gods and is now determined to save the world. Interesting side note, next episode is titled "Virgin Soul," so maybe we'll finally understand why that's the name of this show. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| Great episode. LOL Nina's dream & that plan to capture El. YES!! Favaro to the rescue. Nice use of smoke bombs. Glad to see everyone escaped. The plan to stop the King begins. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
deadoptimist said: I don't like it anymore. With this amount of ikemen it should be aimed at women, but for that it lacks the most important part - well-defined likeable characters (think Noragami, for example). At this point I don't get where they stand, what their views are, and the good party is seriously annoying. Like, they're freinds because they're good and just because. What exactly has made Favaro and Kaisar forgive Azazel (who is still murderous)? Azazel may want to die, but why is he ready to go down for Kaisar, a human? Why doesn't the king do shit again? Isn't Alexander actually right, because yeah, Kaisar brought the problem on himself and his knights? >Charioce rant Seriously, Charioce is such a waste. It's hard to care for him, because zero reasons are given to his actions and even he himself doesn't seem to act involved. He is a) hot, z) cruel, but his goals, his might/expertise/effectiveness, that he is supposed to posess, are left out. And that makes him feel hollow in not a romantic way. OK, make him terrible and unruly, I am all for it. Hotness and bloodlust go well togethe. Think Ashina Sun at the beginning of the Song of the Long March. Charioce XVII is indeed a conqueror and a young huge testosterone powered machine. But them I wanna see him fighting and being really into his coliseum shows, switching between his kingly mask and violence. (And his fanservice being sparring/workouts.) Or make him scheming, psyhotic, emotionally sadistic (disturbed), I dunno. But them, if he has staged Kaisar to fight before his knights, I wanna see the king enjoying their anguish properly. Show me how he drinks their suffering and torments them verbally for additional kicks. Also give some info on what he wanted to achieve from this fight after sparing Kaisar for so damn long. (Take Commander Kakisou from Xam'd as an example of military manipulator.) Xenophobic? Ok, show me the contrast between how he treats demons and people in its worst forms if needed. Make him issue papers to official slavers, butcher demon kids while playing with human ones. Let him be painfully blind, not seeing any similarities between the races, while the future obviously lies there. But since he has achievements, it'd be better to also demonstrate some of his effective side, if only to make him more intimidating for the main party. Show how he is a sacred adored leader for his black soldiers, his new magic power, his working ability, his arcane knowledge, his charisma when organizing people - something must have let him to ascend. But goddamit, not more of this pretty doll on a chair. He is the king, he knows he will die soon, what's happening is his doing, why is he so indifferent as to not even turn his head?! (Also he has the damned teleporting captain just besides him to stop Fava.) Annoying! /rant ended I feel bad for arguing that this series is a good actioney show for everyone now. This is really turning into a bit of a trash show in some respects. Horrible characterization, and no explanation on key events within the show, such as how did the humans attain such a power, why are the Gods so weak in comparison to how they were last season, and why doesn't it explore the political and ideological conflicts between all three factions? Instead we get some action with a crappy done forced romance. |
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| Mugaro used to be such a sweet kid. Now he is this sulky shitty kid who is way over in his head, believing that he can bring 'world peace'. |
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| Looks like El'sgreat escape was a success. I'm also glad that Kaiser and Azazel are no longer behind bars/ in chains as well, and with the help of Favaro no less. Seems like that other guy with the Orleans knights is about undergo a heel turn soon. His general attitude this episode and the fact that he always goes to the bar/pub/whatever it is to whine to Cerberus about how he wants to be Captain. I may be reading to much into that though. Can't wait to see where this alliance between Rita, Kaiser, Favaro and Azazel is headed. I'm also still curious about how Lucifer and the other demons are going to play into the overall story, since unfortunately we got nothing on them this episode. |
| Matsuoka Yoshitsugu has hardly any range as a voice actor, and is grossly over-cast. Yeah. I said it. |
| A death sentence for Kaisar by having him fight against Azazel and also accidentally force Favaro to come out helping them escaping. On the other part, Mugaro also trying to escape from the land of Gods alone until Nina and Bacchus realize it, trying to prevent him but things happened and there they goes... Escaping from land of Gods and back to the capital city. |
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| Escapes, escapes everywhere, and they were exciting. El has good intentions alright, but that's what the road to Hell is usually paved with. Besides, I agree he kinda did a 180, from a sweet kind kid to a bad case of teen rebellious phase, and he even almost stopped caring about his mother... It can't end well. Favaro to the rescue, finally! The escape he pulled for both Kaisar and Azazel was the best part of the episode, followed by Kaisar bringing Azazel and Favaro (that scene was especially awesome as the two didn't even need words) to his side. Add El and Nina to it, and we'll have an all-race alliance, the miniature of what Kaisar strives to achieve on a global scale. It will have no place for Chariose and Gabriel though, so it of course will be accompanied by some drama and even tragedy, but I'm excited nevertheless. Also, as a side note from the previous episode: as far as I grasped it, Lucifer and Azazel are brothers, right? That's why they kinda look similar. |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| It felt so right seeing Kaisar, Azazel and FAVAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO on screen together :'') |
| h,the blessing & curse of being interesting in all the characters: there's not enough minutes in the ep and you want to see more of each side. Glad Favaro,Kaisar and Azazel got some more spotlight and hope to see more of 'em since they're those guys that don't technically hold any major power in the conflict, yet they're the odd ones that can help tip the scales in one way or another. At the same time, El's becoming fairly interesting himself. How does he exactly plan on bringing peace to the world if he's not gonna attempt to fight the humans. I could see him working together with the rest of the gang to disable Chaorice's toy weapon and then...I guess they'd have no choice but to make peace with the angels and demons? But then I doubt those would be too lenient with the humans just because they can't fight back anymore. |
| Choppy CG motion works perfectly with amateur knights in training. |
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| Still waiting for the ep that will show some charioce backstory Nina's dream....someone is thirsty, loved to hear those kind of words coming out of charioce's mouth, with Umehara-san's voice <3 So glad that everyone is getting together!! A scene with our characters from season 1!! Kind of made me miss Amira Hope Nina and Mugaro will join them soon! Loving the op and ed, never skipping it <3 |
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| Can we PLEASEEEE get a spinoff of Bacchus and Hamsa. Fava you've been missed once again. |
| THAT ENDING... seriously bad luck from them, to get spotted like that, then being forced to dive in to save Nina and everyone getting the wrong idea. O.O Favaro, Azazel and Kaizer teaming up! YESSS!!! |
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| This is nice and all, but a lot is starting to lose impact in the mad dash to force in a random scene involving Nina and Charioce every damn episode, because for some reason this show seems to be more about this illogical romance that I have no reason to care about - especially when we still know practically nothing about Charioce - rather than what made the first season so good and so fun. This second cour has seen the show become massively bogged down in tedious scenes and abject mediocrity unfortunately. Then again, it was cool seeing Favaro help Kaisar and Azazel escape, even though he has no reason to even want to help Azazel that we have seen so far. |
| It's gold! clap clap 5/5 deserved |
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| Well the romance between the King and nina is abvious. Opening, ending and every episoden. But am I the Only one that have the feeling zombiegirl loves Kaisar. |
SweanimeJul 24, 2017 3:47 AM
| That whole plan to capture Mugaro was like a Three Stooges slapstick lol. |
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| Definitely better episode than the previous three or something. Hopefully Jeanne will stop being annoying in the future... Still, this season could've been a lot better. |
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| Show us more Favaro action damn it, maybe it'll make the recent shittyness at least bearable. |
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| I feel like this was the pay-off episode since we've had weeks of build up and the main cast all separated into little teams. Things are finally moving- Mugaro is back, and Nina and co. are going back to Anatae. Then Kaisar, Azazel & Favaro are all finally in the same place at the same time- seriously, I've been waiting weeks for that trio!! XD Personal highlight of the episode was Favaro cosplaying Shakespeare and crashing the death battle between Azazel & Kaisar. Charioce looked pretty happy that they managed to escape- he becomes less and less shady as the episodes go by. The only one missing now is Jeanne. Hopefully she comes to her senses soon because I can see her undying loyalty to the heavens getting a little annoying if she just keeps believing everything Gabriel says...like, c'mon woman, listen to what your kid is telling you!! |
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deadoptimist said: I don't like it anymore. With this amount of ikemen it should be aimed at women, but for that it lacks the most important part - well-defined likeable characters (think Noragami, for example). At this point I don't get where they stand, what their views are, and the good party is seriously annoying. Like, they're freinds because they're good and just because. What exactly has made Favaro and Kaisar forgive Azazel (who is still murderous)? Azazel may want to die, but why is he ready to go down for Kaisar, a human? Why doesn't the king do shit again? Isn't Alexander actually right, because yeah, Kaisar brought the problem on himself and his knights? >Charioce rant Seriously, Charioce is such a waste. It's hard to care for him, because zero reasons are given to his actions and even he himself doesn't seem to act involved. He is a) hot, z) cruel, but his goals, his might/expertise/effectiveness, that he is supposed to posess, are left out. And that makes him feel hollow in not a romantic way. OK, make him terrible and unruly, I am all for it. Hotness and bloodlust go well togethe. Think Ashina Sun at the beginning of the Song of the Long March. Charioce XVII is indeed a conqueror and a young huge testosterone powered machine. But them I wanna see him fighting and being really into his coliseum shows, switching between his kingly mask and violence. (And his fanservice being sparring/workouts.) Or make him scheming, psyhotic, emotionally sadistic (disturbed), I dunno. But them, if he has staged Kaisar to fight before his knights, I wanna see the king enjoying their anguish properly. Show me how he drinks their suffering and torments them verbally for additional kicks. Also give some info on what he wanted to achieve from this fight after sparing Kaisar for so damn long. (Take Commander Kakisou from Xam'd as an example of military manipulator.) Xenophobic? Ok, show me the contrast between how he treats demons and people in its worst forms if needed. Make him issue papers to official slavers, butcher demon kids while playing with human ones. Let him be painfully blind, not seeing any similarities between the races, while the future obviously lies there. But since he has achievements, it'd be better to also demonstrate some of his effective side, if only to make him more intimidating for the main party. Show how he is a sacred adored leader for his black soldiers, his new magic power, his working ability, his arcane knowledge, his charisma when organizing people - something must have let him to ascend. But goddamit, not more of this pretty doll on a chair. He is the king, he knows he will die soon, what's happening is his doing, why is he so indifferent as to not even turn his head?! (Also he has the damned teleporting captain just besides him to stop Fava.) Annoying! /rant ended I feel bad for arguing that this series is a good actioney show for everyone now. You must not of watched Genesis before you started watching Virgin Soul. |
| Alright!!! FAVAROOOOO is back once again! lol Mugaro & Nina exchanged clothes and on the run to go back to the surface of humans! what a nice spectacular sword fight between Kaizar & Azazel! I really thought its Azazels game over by the strike of Kaizar but was just an act! LOL so many hippogryph! Baccus has really good timing! Jeanne is stuck at Gods place. Mugaro in the outfit of Nina look more prettier than Nina in Murago's clothes...LOLZ Looks like the whole half part of the team is back on track again! Rita, Favaro, Azazel & Kaizar! 5/5. |
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Anime-is-King said: You must not of watched Genesis before you started watching Virgin Soul. I did, and I have no idea what you're getting at. |
| El is a pain... I was sure they would put Kaisar to fight against Azazel... |
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deadoptimist said: Anime-is-King said: You must not of watched Genesis before you started watching Virgin Soul. I did, and I have no idea what you're getting at. "At this point I don't get where they stand, what their views are, and the good party is seriously annoying. Like, they're freinds because they're good and just because." "What exactly has made Favaro and Kaisar forgive Azazel (who is still murderous)? Azazel may want to die, but why is he ready to go down for Kaisar, a human?" Genesis is where most of the character bonding happened, i just thought it was enough to understand the dynamics between the main characters besides Nina for obvious reasons. |
But their situation is different from the last season, also a lot more emphasis is put on politics. And I don't remember Kaisar and Favaro forgiving Azazel or bonding with him. All in all the biggest problem is Charioce, because the plot revolves around him, yet he is severely (and oregressively more so) underwritten. But Kaisar also acts silly, Fava is just there, Nina is childish, it's unclear how much of revenge Jeanne wants. In a work of fiction it's the best when you slowly learn about the trajectories that the lives of the characters take them on and can predict where they will clash. There's quite nothing like when several of your faves are nearing a moment of deadly confrontation because of their views and backgrounds. Virgin Soul set out to have this delicious clash of views, but failed. |
| Alright, I would like to add my two cents to this Charioce rant, but I on the other hand will be his defender! First of all, we can't say the plot revolves only around Charioce. He is one the main protagonist's, but still the reflectors are on Nina and her surroundings, depending on where is actually is. The politic war between demons, gods/angels and humans is a background bag of TNTs, which keeps on ticking and is seeking a reason to stop or explode. Charioce is one of those who sits atop of that bag of explosives and his decisions will determine the outcome. Now, I don't mind that Charioce is not giving too much damn about a demon or dragon maid running from him. He leads a pretty messy kingdom which still didn't recover from the Bahamut blaze and everything relies on him. Humans are in fact absolutely defenseless without his rule and he obviously knows it. He might be ruthless, but is is clear as sky that he cares about humans and would like to keep their independence from demons and gods. All the time, he is on the defense, evading attacks from the demons and gods and strengthening his position, researching better means on how to prevail. He must be on the look from any plots and being him I would definitely make my primary target the good being of my empire. Now we have a problem with his power which is supposed to be greater than of the mighty gods? It looks like he got the technology to keep him standing. But is he OP? In episode 13 you might have seen that would be a huge overstatment. The castle defense was crumbling from the first minutes and if it would not have been by that hand and his sacrifice, the rule of men would be over in about few moments. What would you have him do? Attack the heaven's dominion? How the heck is supposed to do that? He has no choice but do be stuck down there and repel any attacks. Destroy the remaining demon rulers? He probably doesn't know where are they hiding. From my perspective he literally has no choice but to look after himself and his kingdom. I hugely respect his character. He is very charismatic and is not just a black and white ruler. He shows his rougher side when there is need and it looks like he is also careing deep inside. If you would be a stupid, eager, nice and war hateing king, there is no way you get the respect of the army which he obviously has. The only thing which we are waiting are some flashbacks or reveals of his past. We don't know where he appeared from and it would be great to have some background there. It would explain a lot of his choices and behavior. Hopefully this will be delivered sooner or later. |
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| Can't see any reason why Azazel and the rest of the crew would want to cooperate, their whole plotline to save the word is still in the realms of wishful thinking and their actions are pretty horrible too. The king, on the other hand, acts on behalf of logic and his motivation is clear - he's probably the only one who has goals and also good plans to achieve them. And also, he actually cares for his people (and for the second time - he actually let them escape, that's obvious). He proves to be the best character of this show, followed by Jeanne, maybe. What I don't like was the angel part of this story.. how incompetent they are for the heck of the thing to let them escape and to not control the persons leaving your jail...?! For this they should deserve to lose and . Also, Mugaro wanting "the world peace" is even worse developement, not really consistent with his character developement (he went like 180 in just one episode). Now I really fear what they have in the story, if the main group somehow "magically" achieves this happilly together ever after for all races with their incompetence it would be the biggest facepalm of them all. |
| I love how El not only undressed Nina to wear her clothes, but later remembered to put even his gloves and shoes on her xD Guys are finally together again, glad it didn't took too long! |
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| Favel, Kaisar and Azazel in the circus, on the arena was the best episode...will they scape? xD |
| Finally the team that is going to save the world is united, Yay! The clash between Azazel and Kaisar is beautiful, not least was Mugaro's escape from paradise. Favaro and Rita but were still in the back, are two important figures in the history, it is also very cool. |
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