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EDIT: I realize that my comments may have given you the impression that I see King's Maker as a replacement to Yona of the Dawn. Sorry if I confused you, and I want you to know that isn't what I intended at all. >< They are two separate stories, and have many, many differences! You can certainly enjoy both stories for what they have to offer. :)

The Xing arc was just too disappointing, so I'm grateful I encountered King's Maker, which gave me all of the passionate feelings. You will see that reading King's Maker has helped me understand or sympathize with Su-won more, if he really did experience what the characters from King's Maker did. :( After all, many of the readers, including Su-won supporters, are withholding negative judgments because we do not know what he experienced! Readers who loathe Su-won don’t understand him because he’s not the main character… :/ Perspective matters so much, because if Yona of the Dawn was told in Su-won’s perspective, would so many readers hate him??

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I'm so happy you replied!! LOL, I saw that you mentioned Yona, so I didn't finish reading your reply, and read chapter 150 of Yona of the Dawn before coming back. :P I have been behind on this story. ;P I also have exams, but I realize that I'm not motivated to read the story 'cause of how annoying the Xing arc has been. --______--

King's Maker has gotten me so emotional.... I'm reminded of a tragedy that happened, and I think, "What if Su-won experienced something like this?", because that incident in King's Maker, I think would have been the last straw for Su-won to rebel. If Su-won experienced what the characters in King's Maker did, I completely understand the urgency Su-won had to revolt; you can't afford to wait any longer... :( I understand Yona and Hak being unhappy with Su-won because he killed Il and feeling betrayed that they knew nothing, but why can't they see "HOW WAS HE SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU? 'I'm going to kill your dad/Il, so sit quietly in your room'?? I don't understand at all. ._______. It's too bad Yona of the Dawn is not aimed at a more mature audience, 'cause the complexity you and I desire...it doesn't exist in this story. I still don't understand why Kusanagi made Yona the main character, lol and we have to sit through her pointless romance with her irrational bodyguard. But anyway, I was distraught when I read King's Maker. I cannot imagine how Su-won lived his life, knowing that his uncle murdered his beloved father... :( Did Su-won witness the event too?? Why can't readers have sympathy for Su-won, the person who lost his father and had to force himself to smile around his dad's murderer?? But, at least Yona of the Dawn has leaned on the fluffier side, since not many people die or at least not in too much detail.... :c I didn't even realize Mizari died until he hit the ground. >< On a somewhat random note, I think someone who loves their people and rules well.... they can't be a bad person. I think Su-won may have been protecting Hak and Yona (at least their childhoods) by not telling them that Il murdered Yu-hon. Doing so would have damaged Hak's idolization for the useless 'benevolent' HOW CAN A KING BE BENEVOLENT WHEN HE LEAVES HIS PEOPLE TO DIE? king, and Yona's naivety would have been shattered and so would her relationship with her dad... :/ There would have been no gains if Su-won told Hak and Yona about what he spent 10 years of his life shouldering... :/ In fact, Su-won could have easily glared at Yona as 'the child of that man who murdered my father!' (KOUREN! XP) but he didn't.

...... Now that brought a new question to me. -> What if revealing the truth would have lessened the pain Hak and Yona faced, and have them stay in the palace? Either way, it's not a win-win situation... :/ Hak and Yona would have wanted Su-won to not kill Il. They would have been hurt regardless when Il died, but Su-won really didn't plan Yona and Hak to witness what they did.... *sigh* I ask these questions thinking of that tragedy from King's Maker in mind. :( There may be no such thing as 'perfect planning,' as people can only do their best.... :'(

Anyways, you're welcome for commenting and talking about King's Maker. :))

LOL, I think BL sometimes has a bad impression of being graphic. But I'm happy that I've managed to find incredible stories: solid plots, strong characterizations, and believable love/romances in the BL department. King's Maker is nowhere near graphic, and I read for its powerful plot! X) We didn't meet by talking about romance, so I'd have no reason to recommend King's Maker to you, if that was all it was about. ;P

I'm seriously disappointed that King's Maker is only labelled as BL on Lezhin. ._______. The story is historical and action too! There are touches of fantasy. That's like if Yona of the Dawn was just labelled as "shoujo" or "romance," that would be an insult to us Su-won supporters who don't read the story for that reason, lol! + the romance tags don't emphasis the historical, action, or even fantasy aspects of stories. ._______. When I read King's Maker, I often forget that it's labelled as BL. LOL. xDD I LOVE that King's Maker does not drag scenes or have useless arcs like the Xing arc, thank GOODNESS! It's sad that we want to see Su-won, but he doesn't get the screen-time we want.... '-_____- I love that King's Maker actually gives me all of the screen-time we want and need for the man who wants to become king and his maker!!

YAY! The comments on the qualifications to be a good king... I'm happy those comments described the main character from King's Maker too. ^^ I love that in King's Maker, he acknowledges that he alone does not create changes, like Su-won who believes in the power of the people. :) In Yona of the Dawn, it's baffles me that Yona has worshipers followers just because she's the main character! ._______. Yona did not negotiate in the Xing arc, since she simply accepted Su-won's offer + she potentially put Kouka at risk through the Fire Tribe's beacon.

OMG, I reread your comment on, "a great king and his mindset,his experiences..." we desperately want to see this from Su-won. T.T I can imagine Su-won visiting various parts of Kouka and witnessing people live in poverty... I remember the main character from King's Maker's reactions and all the things he's done... I seriously love that he acknowledges how or why he is powerless, and seeing him learn and strive towards his goal is so rewarding! When Su-won thought of rebelling since he was 8 years old, I can imagine him with the same feelings of powerlessness; not being able to do very much for the people, besides planning and waiting for the right time(s)... :/ Like the main character of King's Maker, Su-won wanted to become king for the people, not for anything else like power and money... And that genuine care, along with knowledge developed over the years, would make anyone respect and follow that ruler. :)) I love that people don’t follow or respect them for being members of the royal family, but for their qualities and abilities.

I think because of the popularity, and Japanese fans particularly wanting to see Yona and Hak's romance unfold, the political aspects have taken a backseat... :/ When will we learn more about Su-won?? I feel like the Xing arc has been unnecessarily long, instead of thrilling.... --____-- LOL, so what is your limit? ;p I talked with someone who said they will stop reading after the Xing arc.


OMG. ME TOO!! My compliant is that Su-won's conference with Kouren and Tao was off-screened!! ._______. WTF was that?? That would have been a beautiful moment, and the highlight to the entire arc!! I would have loved to see Su-won's approach; his choice of words, his body language...and how Kouren and Tao had to bow their heads to be a controlled nation. That would have been epic! I'm pissed off that King Bushin died in only one caption. I would have loved to meet him! --___-- I don't even care for Yona's life right now... She will be alive because she's the titular character (lol, if Yona were to die, can the story become Su-won of the Dawn? ;P), and there is no way her bodyguard and her dragons will let her die.

LOL, Yona and Hak are children. I can't even use age to defend them. When I read King's Maker, I was amazed by the maturity of the characters; years do pass in the story, so you see the characters' mindsets and way of speech even when they were younger than Yona and Hak. People are shaped by their environments, so how has travelling around Kouka not have Hak and Yona grow up as individuals? Yona thinks she's relevant this arc even though she did nothing useful, and Hak can't see the big picture. I understand that Hak felt strongly for Su-won, which explains his hatred, but it's been so long... :/ Is it that hard to see that Yona and Hak were the unfortunate individuals who went through sufferings when Su-won rebelled? It's not like Su-won didn't suffer either, losing the bond he shared with them... </3

I feel bad for Su-won... Imagine how lonely it must have been for him, to spend as much time as he could with his friends, knowing that their bond would be broken someday... :/ Even now, I don't think Su-won has a friend he can confide in, because his nation takes priority. I'm touched that in King's Maker, at least the man who wants to become king has his maker by his side, and he gets along very well with the soldiers. I feel bad for Su-won, having to keep a polite distance from others. I think one of the reasons why Su-won is not eager to marry and procreate, is because he is not planning to remain as Kouka's king until his death. If he were to marry and become a father, his family would be affected if he really does dethrone. I just hope that Su-won does not die, or else I'd lose my major reason for reading Yona of the Dawn. T-T Unless Yona grows up and becomes a knowledgeable and capable ruler, it would be a terrible ending if she became queen.

LOL, I had my moments in chapter 150 when I asked, "T______T Why is she alive?" Yona's existence has greatly annoyed me. I don't think ignoring Yona would benefit Su-won. I am curious about the next arc, but please do not make it just Hak and Yona's romance. .______. I think Kyo-ga should stay loyal to Su-won. Tae-jun is the problem for following Yona's foolish demand, without considering the possibility of war. I still laugh at how stupid it was when Yona hugged Tae-jun, and said she'd come back for him even if he became a criminal. LOL, that girl hasn't done anything productive on her own, and she certainly won't leave her wounded dragons now + she's got her romance to deal with. It would be interesting to see Yona lose a follower instead, if they realize she doesn't have the capabilities to lead.

I did have an enjoyable time reading Yotaka though. LOL when he asked, "Have we come to the red-light district...?" with such confusion and innocence in his eyes. xDD I'd love to see more of him. And I would like to see a flashback chapter of the Five Stars.... Was it necessary to kill Neguro and Mizari? T-T And I'm now bothered that the dragons' life spans may have shortened from protecting Yona... *sigh* I just wish Yona thought of her friends; because of her, the dragons and Yoon were captured and the dragons are now exhausted.


We're too patient for reaching 150 chapters of Yona of the Dawn. :P

Hi! How are you? :) We had lovely conversations over the summer about Yona of the Dawn. I remember you mentioned that you deeply respect Su-won; our king relies on himself and believes in the power of the people, instead of the power of the gods.

Have you read King's Maker (story by Haga and art by Kang Jiyoung)? To me, this story is like the Su-won version of Yona of the Dawn. We honestly see the country's condition under the rule of a lowlife king. We see what the main character experiences, as well as understand why he wants to rebel and see what he does to achieve his goal. Truly, if Yona of the Dawn was written in Su-won's perspective, the story would be so interesting!!

Here are screenshots from chapter 14 of King's Maker, which perfectly describes Su-won: Su-won is truly a very good king. :)

More comments, including a warning, are in the spoiler button below: Let me know if you read King's Maker! :) I haven't seen you around in the Yona of the Dawn discussion threads either, so I'd be happy to hear your thoughts again. ^^

Yeah, this is a good recommendation! I've read a big chunk of Song of the Long March, but I really gotta go back to newer chapters. I think that's perhaps the best of princess historical stories currently, even though it feels like it lost momentum a bit, since the MC decided against straining the country with her vengeance. It has a bit of princess fluff, and the MC is a tad empty, but it doesn't make me feel that nothing she does is serious and the praise is undeserved, like most princess stories. Also you can't really forget about Song of the Long March, cause Ashina Sun. Too bad that I know so little of the history of China, it'd help a lot with understanding the story, sigh.

I even asked in the recommendations forum once whether there're strories about princesses or queens that are no pushovers and use their power, and the best recommendation for manga people gave me was Song of the Long March.
The only other manga from the batch I read then that I remembered is Joou no Hana, because of the potentially tasty master-slave dynamic, but it also degraded fast.
And the biggest disappointment was Ryuu no Hanawazurai, where the author managed to make a dragon crown princess (basically a goddess) into a damsel in destress, I just... why-y?!
Out of the thinhgs I've read afterwards maybe Palace Meidi uses court setting in a fun way, but it's told from the pov of a young male retainer of a female Japanese Emperor (yeah).

+C: Sword and Cornett, Shut Hell, Alosmente are not bad in what comes to politics and intrigue, but they're non-romatical and very different. I dunno why and what I even list already, just wanted to give you some half-relevant titles to look into too in return.

I found the part about Yona being the heir of a bad king very intriguing. That's an interesting twist on an overthrown princess story. But I'd like that in a more mature story.