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| It seems we will get more of "Gabi" and her crew a little more of chapters... sigh Btw, they are so short! lol Also, it seems that finally we will see what fate Annie had in the history, I'm very eager to see her, even if she already died I still think that that time skip was so unnecessary, because alot of important events we will see them in flashbacks, and honestly I don't like that kind of storytelling because feels cheap |
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| Colossal titan Armin and Eren tag teaming the enemy. I like the sound of that. RIP Ymir, hoping Mikasa and Eren made kids lol. |
| A good chapter, but sad knowing that Ymir died that way. We finally got to see the mule in human form, I'm glad is a girl because that means that they can hide appearances since, except the colossal, every shifter reminded their human form. So to inherit the full titan power there's a need of family blood? The whole chapter they talked about sons even talking about Annie and Berthold passing their powers to their children. BTW, Armin sinking the ships instead capturing them, gg wp I thought you were more inteligent. GangsterCat said: ymir = jaw titan.... but i didntt see any jaw on ymir's titan... Mmmm... she fought using only her jaws? In my translation they said that was thanks to her wish that galliard retrieved that jaw. |
| Waifus only represent ideals |
| Did anyone notice that their world is incredibly similar to ours? Image of the panel with the map of their world: Image of our world's map flipped vertically: How about the theories about this stuff? xD |
| A Lesson without pain is meaningless. For you cannot gain something without sacrificing something else in return. But once you have overcome it and made it your own... You will gain an irreplaceable fullmetal heart. |
Roveir said: Did anyone notice that their world is incredibly similar to ours? Image of the panel with the map of their world: Image of our world's map flipped vertically: How about the theories about this stuff? xD The author already confirmed that the snk world is a mirror version of earth. |
keragamming said: Roveir said: Did anyone notice that their world is incredibly similar to ours? Image of the panel with the map of their world: Image of our world's map flipped vertically: How about the theories about this stuff? xD The author already confirmed that the snk world is a mirror version of earth. dammit I guess I need to stalk these informations more often hahaha |
| A Lesson without pain is meaningless. For you cannot gain something without sacrificing something else in return. But once you have overcome it and made it your own... You will gain an irreplaceable fullmetal heart. |
xXcorbanXx said: BTW, Armin sinking the ships instead capturing them, gg wp I thought you were more inteligent. That's just what Zeke assumed happened to the ships. We don't know what actually happened to the ships. They could have all been taken hostage by the survey corps and forced to tell them all about the other worlds while others inspected the contents of the ships (which may have had things that paradis people have not discovered yet) before sinking them. Of course, I could be wrong and Zeke may be 100% right in his claim. But Zeke never actually saw what happened to the ships. |
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ECW28 said: TBSM said: Correction: The Badass Dancing Titan that had big Jaws (see what I did there?)Fare thee well, Ymir. You shall be remembered as the Badass Dancing Titan! Poor Ymir, they tricked her. She thought she could just go back, give up the power and they would let her go... |
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Materiaali said: I just can't understand how people can symphatize with Reiner and Zeke. I mean, i think i understand everything in the story just fine but how come no mainlander-eldians feel any empathy for walldians? If someone argues that they're still doing it because they would be killed otherwise it still doesn't make any sense for the "yeah im surrounder by these devil-idiots and i want to kill everyone of them"-mindset 50% of Reiner had and which that new AT-girl seems to be developing. I mean, it doesn't make anything grey in my opinion if a villain is having emotions, friends etc. but still doing bad things for bad reasons.. Idk i think it's too early to judge anything but everything that came after the ocean-chapter has just felt so.. absurd and cold. It's cool to see Marley but i have no emotional connections to any of those guys and don't feel like i want to be introduced to 15 new characters i'm supposed to care about in the endgame, so let's go back to Paradis pls boss... With all that said, i still trust Isayama 100% :D Edit: I still have to say that these emotions i'm having right now is also what makes this manga so great because everytime i've had even the slightest doubts with the direction the story has gone it has always paid off in the end (e.g. uprising) All the eldians fighting for marley are recruited as kids, brainwashed and then reprogramed as loyal soldiers. It's not only the "if I don't do this I'll be killed along my family" (like Reiner hinted that boy at the end), it's also a brainwash on a deep level, Marley inserts the idea that they are demons and have to serve humans for their past crimes. Wow, just realized that Isayama is portraying the modern world with all the "pay me for what your ancestor maybe did to mine" thing. |
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Materiaali said: xXcorbanXx said: All the eldians fighting for marley are recruited as kids, brainwashed and then reprogramed as loyal soldiers. It's not only the "if I don't do this I'll be killed along my family" (like Reiner hinted that boy at the end), it's also a brainwash on a deep level, Marley inserts the idea that they are demons and have to serve humans for their past crimes. Wow, just realized that Isayama is portraying the modern world with all the "pay me for what your ancestor maybe did to mine" thing. Yeah i guess you're right. It's just that i kind of got the feeling that they think that what Marley is doing is cool af. At least the new kids. I don't know maybe i need to re-read these newest chapters and try to put myself in their shoes more. Kids will be kids. In addition they are actually fighting for the chance of be "cool af" if they inherit the Armored Titan power, so as kids and how is shown in this chapter that they admire Reiner, is probably that they are not only brainwashed but also what you said. |
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| So very dark... The story is becoming clearer again, which is definitely good. I hope the perspective switches back to Paradis island soon, I'm intrigued to see how matters have developed there, given the revelations of this chapter. |
ECW28 said: TBSM said: Poor Ymir, they tricked her. She thought she could just go back, give up the power and they would let her go... I was under the impression that she willingly gave up the power and this willingly died, unless there is another way to retire from Titan shifting without being eaten I don't think she knew about the sacrifice thing... Reiner basically said "Bring back the power and you'll be forgiven". I don't she she wanted to die, after all she was in love with Krista. |
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TBSM said: ECW28 said: I was under the impression that she willingly gave up the power and this willingly died, unless there is another way to retire from Titan shifting without being eaten I don't think she knew about the sacrifice thing... Reiner basically said "Bring back the power and you'll be forgiven". I don't she she wanted to die, after all she was in love with Krista. That's the problem. She knew how she got the Titan's power. She knew that giving it back meant death. So in a way, going with Rainer and Berthold, it was like she decided to kill herself, she commited suicide and gave her power to Christa/Historia's enemy. Apparently Ymir was the suicidal type. |
| I see many people asking themselves why Ymir (jaw titan) was a small titan in comparison with Galliard who is the new jaw titan and is quite tall. My theory is that as Ymir got injected the serum of a small titan by Marley (of about 4m) she didn't upgrade to a bigger titan even when she eat Marcel (the previous jaw titan and probably a 15m class). She just kept the size and appearance she got with the injection and only added the sharp teeth and agility of said titan. Armin titan size and appearance is still unknown, he looked as a 14/15m class when he got injected by Levi. But maybe eating a Colossal type (Bert) just gives you the boost necessary in height no matter what because it's what a "Colossal" type is supposed to be. But with the "Jaw" and the rest of the titans it can just depend in the serum you got injected even when you eat a tall titan user. All in all, I'm enjoying a lot the path that Isayama took with the manga. The world is so much bigger and convoluted than anyone could predict when it started. I can't wait to see how the humanity at Paradis has grown and what they've learned/improved in the past 3 years. |
Materiaali said: I just can't understand how people can symphatize with Reiner and Zeke. I mean, i think i understand everything in the story just fine but how come no mainlander-eldians feel any empathy for walldians? If someone argues that they're still doing it because they would be killed otherwise it still doesn't make any sense for the "yeah im surrounder by these devil-idiots and i want to kill everyone of them"-mindset 50% of Reiner had and which that new AT-girl seems to be developing. I mean, it doesn't make anything grey in my opinion if a villain is having emotions, friends etc. but still doing bad things for bad reasons.. Idk i think it's too early to judge anything but everything that came after the ocean-chapter has just felt so.. absurd and cold. It's cool to see Marley but i have no emotional connections to any of those guys and don't feel like i want to be introduced to 15 new characters i'm supposed to care about in the endgame, so let's go back to Paradis pls boss... With all that said, i still trust Isayama 100% :D Edit: I still have to say that these emotions i'm having right now is also what makes this manga so great because everytime i've had even the slightest doubts with the direction the story has gone it has always paid off in the end (e.g. uprising) I brought up exactly this point some chapters ago. I feel no empathy whatsoever for Reiner and co and would prefer not to focus on then as characters, but go back to our principals, whatever brainwashing they had, guys like Reiner lived inside the walls for years and know that Eldians are not like the devils that they were presented. |
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Ysad_Ziwezhan said: TBSM said: I don't think she knew about the sacrifice thing... Reiner basically said "Bring back the power and you'll be forgiven". I don't she she wanted to die, after all she was in love with Krista. That's the problem. She knew how she got the Titan's power. She knew that giving it back meant death. So in a way, going with Rainer and Berthold, it was like she decided to kill herself, she commited suicide and gave her power to Christa/Historia's enemy. Apparently Ymir was the suicidal type. I re-read chapter 49, you were right. She chose chose to go back to Marley knowing that she'd die, she somehow felt sorry for them because they'd probably be killed because their mission was a failure, she also felt sorry for devouring Marcel and was probably tired of this titan nightmare. STUPID YMIR, your sacrifice was for naught because Berthold is dead and Reiner has a foot in the grave and you gave a titan to our ennemies (Historia's ennemies). GG |
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| I feel like most of the users in this thread forgot what they read in some of the previous chapters, Ymir's death didn't come out of nowhere, it was implied and stated some chapters ago towards the end of the "Return to Shiganshina arc" after Reiner was defeated he said he had a letter from Ymir he promised to pass to Historia In the letter she basically said goodbye to Historia and told her she's being watched by Reiner and is now a prisoner and will be dying soon(as in they're taking her titan) and she regrets not being able to marry or see Historia anymore. Through this letter we learn about Ymir's past, how she got her name, why and how she become a titan, she addressed all of that in the letter... am I the only one who remembers this? I feel like watching the most recent anime episode have made you guys forget the details of chapters after episode 5 till now. Don't forget Ymir played a huge part during the "clash of the titan" arc, which I believe the anime is leading to. She becomes an enemy and helps Reiner and Boltolt fight and try to escape with Eren. During this arc, she was still fighting for Krista and herself, if you don't remember the details of this arc I suggest you re-read or wait for the anime to retell it because during this arc she or more appropriately her fate was decided for her, after her actions during this arc, she was destined to die,and she accepted it. I'm not going to go into detail since a lot happened but when she decided to return to their "hometown" (Marley) with Reiner and Bertolt, she did so because she was originally offered a pardon so those who think it was stupid of her to leave with Reiner and Bertolt obvious need to read those chapters again because she didn't just decide to leave with them, she changed her mind several times to adapt to a situation she ended up caught in the middle of. During this arc she was kidnapped while she was unconscious along with Eren and after she become conscious, Reiner and Bertolt gave her 2 options to die or come with them and she chose to live/survive and once she made that decision she became a temporary enemy of the survey Corps, later on when she wanted to save and bring historia along with her, Reiner was originally against it but they later made a deal for Historia, which would have allowed for both of them to live freely once they returned to their hometown but that changed during the battle for Eren. During the battle, she believed that the survey Corps weren't strong enough to defend Marley and their titan shifters since she knew a lot about both sides, she had originally just wanted to save Historia and herself and Reiner promised her crimes for killing a titan shifter will be pardon if she gives them historia but later on during the battle to save Eren, Ymir realized that Paradis and the survey Corps had a greater weapon when she saw that Eren had the power of the first king. That was when she temporarily switched sides to help the survey Corps, but decided to change allegiance again when she saw that Boltolt and Reiner were losing and Boltolt was going to loose his life. At the end she felt bad for killing their friend and gave herself up. She knew if Reiner and Boltolt showed up empty handed and failed their mission they will probably die so she gave herself up to lessen their punishment but I guess she didn't think they will kill her immediately... In the end she was forced to make quick and decisive choices/actions on a battlefield with no one truly on her side except for Krista/Historia. If she stayed and let herself be captured by the Survey Corps after seemingly fighting and working with Reiner and Bertolt, she would have probably been kept as a prisoner and will forever be treated with suspicion(which obviously won't have been the case in the long run but that's what it seemed like at the time) And if she originally decided not to work with Reiner and Bertolt they would have left her behind since they just wanted Eren at the time. Also she knew she would have to answer to her crime of eating a titan shifter, that's why she gave in and if I remember correctly even Reiner told her to leave and forget about it but she said she was tired of running, it's sad that she never truly understood or had a place in the world |
vanillaskynetMay 11, 2017 1:50 AM
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keragamming said: I don't disagree with the possibility, but I don't think she's out yet. Zeke just said she's M.I.A. along with Bertholt. They never knew for sure what happened to her, and they don't even know that Bertholt was killed or that Historia's people figured out how to steal the powers.A bit disappointed that we still haven't return to our main group, but this chapter made up for it, and it seems Annie might be out of the crystal and is now helping Eren and company. I think all he meant was that whatever happened to Annie, she's still in the enemy's territory, therefore under her control for the moment. But I've always hoped Annie would turn out to be an ally so I hope this becomes true, but I don't think that's what was being implied here... though I do think it could be foreshadowing. I guess it's understandable that you guys wouldn't remember all the details, cause if I didn't just finish re-reading the series from start to finish I'd say "Did you read the same manga as me?". Anyway, it was pretty much stated that she was gonna die way back when they took Ymir. Even from the get-go she knew all they wanted was to gain her powers, but she believed them at first that she had a better chance of being with Krista/Historia if she went with them. But ultimately she realized she was only saving herself by doing it, so at the last minute she decided she'd rather sacrifice herself for Historia than save herself. She said that to Reiner and Bertholt when they asked her why she chose to go with them. She knew they were gonna kill her from that first moment, but she knew that if they could at least bring her in, it would be enough for Reiner and Bertholt to at least go back with some results, giving Historia (and the others) enough relief to at least escape and take the focus away from her and Eren for a while. It makes perfect sense to do it this way if you think about it, because for one: she had already accepted her death by going with them, two: in the end what she really wanted was for Historia to do what she was unable to do and live a stronger life than her, and three: it was way too early the reveal their culture like that. And number 3 is the most important reason, because technically at the point where she actually was killed we knew nothing about their civilization or their purpose. Ymir technically died long before we ever even found out about the injections, or the fact that powers were gained through eating other shifters. And if we saw her death we'd have had to seen them stealing her titan powers. I mean her death was all but confirmed a few chapters ago when Historia got that letter. It further shows that she always knew she was gonna be killed and that she had accepted it. The fact that she wrote that she was soon to be killed says she didn't put up a fight. Ymir was one of my favorite characters too (after Annie and Sasha)... especially for the little screen time she was given... but surely you can see by now that it's the only plausible way of writing it, the way the story went. |
HalibelTheEspadaMay 12, 2017 7:55 PM
HalibelTheEspada said: She knew they were gonna kill her from that first moment, but she knew that if they could at least bring her in, it would be enough for Reiner and Bertholt to at least go back with some results, giving Historia (and the others) enough relief to at least escape and take the focus away from her and Eren for a while. LOL! Berthold and maybe Rainer too would have died without Ymir. What's the best for Historia? Two titans less on the enemy side or two Titans more? I mean her death was all but confirmed a few chapters ago when Historia got that letter. It further shows that she always knew she was gonna be killed and that she had accepted it. The fact that she wrote that she was soon to be killed says she didn't put up a fight. Ymir was one of my favorite characters too (after Annie and Sasha)... especially for the little screen time she was given... but surely you can see by now that it's the only plausible way of writing it, the way the story went. No! That's totally stupid from Ymir perspective. She put Historia even more at risk on the long term and just chose death without reason when she didn't need too. If Ysayama wanted to sell such an irrational behavior he should have wrote Ymir character as a retard with suicidal tendencies. Well, he did ... afterwards, but that's the complete opposite of how he wrote Ymir while she was making her speeches in front of Historia, pushing her to live for herself and get rid of what others expected her to be or to do. Ysayama just wanted to get rid of her but the way he did it is bad writing. |
I mean, I really doubt Reiner would've been killed in that fight way back then. They were severely underestimating them back then, seeing as they were barely able to beat him even with the Thunderspears and Eren at full strength, while on their own turf. Nonetheless, there was no sure-fire way of knowing. If they were going to win anyway, then why didn't they finish Reiner and Bertholt right there? Ymir had started helping them... if what you say is true Reiner would already be dead. The titans probably couldn't have eaten Reiner if Eren couldn't... it was just enough to buy them a distraction. Ymir realized that going with them, they'd have an excuse to stop pursuing them. Re-read that part if you must, but you're wrong. I just read that whole arc yesterday and the humans were far from winning, they barely made it out alive. I mean... everything was falling apart: Erwin lost his arm, Hannes got killed, Eren couldn't transform, most of them lost their horses, Levi was unable to fight, and Mikasa was injured. In what universe were they winning? They just barely were able to buy enough time to get away. This is a series that is constantly reminding you that no one can know the outcome, and that everyone has to make their own decisions, and sometimes they're wrong sometimes they're right. Ymir picked one thing in the heat of the moment and it felt very realistic to me. It's no different from when Levi chose Armin over Erwin, Levi's never been someone who let emotion cloud his judgement, yet he did that one time. People hesitate sometimes when there's a tough choice they're not used to having to make. We already knew long before that moment that Ymir cared more for Historia than herself. For all her talk about acting only for oneself, Historia was a special case for her. I dunno about the "retard" part, but they even mentioned that she seemed like she was committing suicide for Historia at the tower when she first revealed her powers. I feel like she made it pretty clear that for all her talk, Historia was the one person she couldn't put herself above. I think you're just too upset over her death that you pass it off as bad writing. Bad writing would be showing her death for no reason. There would be nothing gained from seeing her die. We know how she died... she was eaten by another titan. Unless there turns out to be a hidden message in her letter, and she secretly did something to help them, then there's nothing to be seen. If that happens to be the case, then I'm sure we'll see it in a flashback in the future. Otherwise all we would see is her painfully getting her head crushed between someone's teeth or getting ripped apart slowly. I personally just want to imagine her going out with pride, and don't care to see her final bit of suffering for no purpose other than getting to see it. She sacrificed herself to save Historia. Realizing Eren had the cooridnate and keeping Reiner from taking it saved Historia. If Ymir did not do what she did, Eren would've been captured or killed, and all the people on Paradis Island would probably already be dead without ever knowing the truth. I don't see what more you expect... there's nothing more to see. |
HalibelTheEspadaMay 13, 2017 1:57 PM
| I only just read this chapter right now and I just died a little bit on the inside now. Ymir was a favorite character of mine, alongside Historia. It's sad to see she never got to marry her after all. And her death was off-screen too, which makes me sad. It was basically confirmed she was to die/dead when Historia had received the letter, but I didn't piece the puzzle together until now. Ymir knew they were going to kill her after all, and that's why she wrote the letter and said that "she is to die soon" and that "I cannot marry you yet". She said goodbye to Historia. |
| Guys, in the page 36 of this chapter at the bottom left , Did you notice this guy with long hair and an armband on his right hand ( which is supposed to be in the left) COULD THIS BE EREN !!!!!!!!!!  |
raoufe16May 16, 2017 5:09 AM
Faerunns said: I think that i missed something because in past chapters , in the 89 , last page if i remember , Eren said something about mika and armin , but am i right to say that he couldn't know about them since it was way before they were borned ? Please make it clear for me ! I'm assuming you mean Eren Kruger (you should really specify that lool). And yeah he mentioned saving Mikasa and Armin but obviously, the Mikasa and Armin we know of wasn't even born at that point, so we don't know why or how he knows them, and nothing in the manga so far has lead us to believe there is any sort of time travelling going on. We do know that titan shifters gain the memories of the titan shifters they inherit, so maybe that was just Eren Jaeger remembering that moment when Eren Kruger and Grisha were talking, and mixed his own feelings with it, hence Mikasa and Armin's names showing up. But that's just my speculation and I could be way off lol |
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Faerunns said: minaeshi said: I'm assuming you mean Eren Kruger (you should really specify that lool). And yeah he mentioned saving Mikasa and Armin but obviously, the Mikasa and Armin we know of wasn't even born at that point, so we don't know why or how he knows them, and nothing in the manga so far has lead us to believe there is any sort of time travelling going on. We do know that titan shifters gain the memories of the titan shifters they inherit, so maybe that was just Eren Jaeger remembering that moment when Eren Kruger and Grisha were talking, and mixed his own feelings with it, hence Mikasa and Armin's names showing up. But that's just my speculation and I could be way off lol Yhea the Kruger not the one we know haha , and yhea it confused me but now it's making things more clear thinking this way , because there are no ways that Kruger could share futur knowledge i guess. that is the explanation. |
HalibelTheEspada said: I mean, I really doubt Reiner would've been killed in that fight way back then. If you want to believe he would have survived alone, why not? Fact is, Berthold on the other hand admitted himself that Ymir saved him. YOU should reread the manga. They were severely underestimating them back then, seeing as they were barely able to beat him even with the Thunderspears and Eren at full strength, while on their own turf. Nonetheless, there was no sure-fire way of knowing. If they were going to win anyway, then why didn't they finish Reiner and Bertholt right there? Ymir had started helping them... if what you say is true Reiner would already be dead. The titans probably couldn't have eaten Reiner if Eren couldn't... it was just enough to buy them a distraction. Ymir realized that going with them, they'd have an excuse to stop pursuing them. What?????? Rainer and Berthold came back later to try to catch Eren anyway and they destroyed 99% of the survey cops WHERE HISTORIA should have been if it wasn't for the political arc (something Rainer and berthold didn't know and didn't care about). Re-read that part if you must, but you're wrong. I just read that whole arc yesterday and the humans were far from winning, they barely made it out alive. I mean... everything was falling apart: Erwin lost his arm, Hannes got killed, Eren couldn't transform, most of them lost their horses, Levi was unable to fight, and Mikasa was injured. In what universe were they winning? They just barely were able to buy enough time to get away. Glad you give yourself a good reason for Ymir NOT to abandon them (Historia included) in such a dire situation ;) I hardly think that Historia is in a worse poisition than before. From Ymir's perspective, while she may not of known for sure she'd be able to become queen, she knew the truth of Historia's heritage so she was hoping for the best. After she realized that Eren had the coordinate she realized that humanity actually had a chance, and she was buying them more time. Yes, maybe she was just all talk with the things she spouted at Historia all the time, but no one can follow ideals to the letter 100% of the time, it's human. Obviously she was in love with Historia, she said so herself and love can make people do irrational things. But in my opinion, she made the smart decision and it was highly rational in the end... she was being irrational up until that point because Reiner used Historia to convince her they were allies. It's fun to see how you are in denial. She abandoned the girl she loved. She saved the guys who later would try to to suppress all survey cops and possibly kill the girl she loved. She gave these guys more power to fight humanity and possibly kill the girl she loved. She chose death over living her few left years with the girl she loved. She chose death over the possibility to protect herself the girl she loved. We already knew long before that moment that Ymir cared more for Historia than herself. For all her talk about acting only for oneself, Historia was a special case for her. I dunno about the "retard" part, but they even mentioned that she seemed like she was committing suicide for Historia at the tower when she first revealed her powers. I feel like she made it pretty clear that for all her talk, Historia was the one person she couldn't put herself above. Exactly that's why in this situation Ymir should have NEVER helped Historia's enemies :) I think you're just too upset over her death that you pass it off as bad writing. Bad writing would be showing her death for no reason. Well, Ymir is an irrational retard with suicidal tendencies, that's the reason and that is really bad writing and I think you are too much of a fanboy to admit it. |
Ysad_ZiwezhanMay 18, 2017 7:49 AM
| @Ysad_Ziwezhan Buddy, I'm not even gonna quote each little bit here. Don't tell me to re-read the whole manga, when I already said that I just did last week. I also re-read this whole arc multiple times since reading your "argument" to make sure I didn't miss anything. You should re-read the second half of chapter 50, where Ymir made the decision to stay with them, where she apologized to Historia, where all the characters questioned her decision then she gave her reason, and where the narrator says that Ymir stopped Reiner from chasing. You're the only one being irrational by not viewing the simple logic that's right in front of your face. It's not about believing he would've survived, you can see Ymir considering going back with Historia, Eren, and co. but then she sees Reiner breaking free of the titans, and everything starts going to shit. In that moment she puts Historia on a horse and says "Sorry". You can easily see her train of thought the whole time here. It may have been possible to kill Reiner at that time, but to do it would've killed everyone there. Of course they came back, she never believed that they wouldn't. They clearly state their intentions to her. They even tell Ymir that there's pretty much no chance of her surviving/being rescued so she should run now if she's gonna do it. As far as saving Bertholt... yes she saved him. But Bertholt was never the threat... Reiner was. Even in Bertholt's last fight, all it took was Armin with a little help from Eren to kill Bert. Even with all their special weapons, it still took the 104th (including Mikasa) + Hange + and other fodder characters just to incapacitate Reiner. And unlike Reiner, Bertholt was unable to transform, otherwise he wouldn't have needed saving. And either way, she also very clearly says that she saved him because she sympathized with them, and also she's making up for killing their friend. She realizes she's gonna die, thus why Bert apologizes and thanks her, and both of them are crying at the end, and why she says that being a goddess [how people thought of Krista/Historia] is nice for a change. For the so called flaws in my logic that you claim are reasons she should've stayed, you make no sense. I'm not saying that Ymir was her usual self, OR that she was doing it to prevent the eventual war between Paradis and the mainland. She just came to terms with what she needed to do to get Reiner off their backs in that moment, NOT in the grand scheme of things. The fact that many of the characters say it, and there is an entire page that is precisely drawn to show you how her actions stopped Reiner's pursuit says that you don't know what you're talking about, or that you're willfully ignoring the facts. She didn't "abandon" Historia, even though Historia saw it that way initially, she did what she saw as her only option. Earlier in the chapter when Eren shows that he has the coordinate, Ymir realizes that the walls still have a chance as long as Eren got away. She purposefully surrendered herself, to prevent the chance of both her AND Eren being captured. And lol at you calling me a fanboy. Until the last week or two I had completely dropped this series like 3-4 years ago. I only re-read the series recently, in order to catch up, because I didn't want the 2nd season to end with me so far behind. I'm done with this discussion, because you obviously don't want to admit that you're wrong despite all the evidence to the contrary. Clearly you're only capable of saying "You're wrong." and "Ymir's irrational and suicidal, and this is bad writing."... you don't even have a real argument, just a baseless statement. The simple fact is, I'm sure she didn't make the best decision that anyone ever made. However she took a huge gamble, and it worked out extremely well in the end. She was tired of running, and she saved the girl she loved. Whether that's irrational and suicidal is an opinion, but it was not bad writing, and that is an objective fact. I'm not even going to read any further responses on the matter, but if you want to be "irrational" and keep talking to yourself go ahead. |
HalibelTheEspadaMay 19, 2017 5:37 PM
HalibelTheEspada said: I'm done with this discussion, because you obviously don't want to admit that you're wrong despite all the evidence to the contrary. Clearly you're only capable of saying "You're wrong." and "Ymir's irrational and suicidal, and this is bad writing."... you don't even have a real argument, just a baseless statement. I was just stating the obvious but I'll admit it's interesting (I'm almost delighted) seeing people like you painfully trying to think up arguments against the obvious. The denial is strong. I'm amazed every time I can witness something like that. The human brain is surely a fascinating thing. |
| I don't like whatever is happening after the basement chapter. It feels like a totally different manga. I really don't want to drop it, but it's just not the same anymore. It's going to a totally different direction. I miss the old characters, the old plot, the old SNK. |
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| Can someone quickly tell me which side is Eldian and which is Marley? I'm a little confused, I might need to read stuff over again. It seems pretty interesting how the other side views Paradis island, it's almost like savages in a way. It was nice getting to know about Zeke :o now we know that he's is Eren's half brother. I also liked seeing Reiner, but damn does he look good in that beard. Does anyone think there's a chance of Mikasa being the next "female titan" if Annie's time is up? I'm just assuming things, really. Bonyanyanya said: I don't like whatever is happening after the basement chapter. It feels like a totally different manga. I really don't want to drop it, but it's just not the same anymore. It's going to a totally different direction. I miss the old characters, the old plot, the old SNK. Is it because of how complex the story has gotten that your not really liking the pace the manga is going? Can't say I blame you, but I actually like the pace it's going in. The manga is definitely doing a really wide world expansion here so I can see how it would be hard to take in. But just imagine how epic the action is gonna get from here on out? |
Rayn3698May 27, 2017 11:27 AM
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Bonyanyanya said: I feel like it's a little too early to pass judgement. Give it time to show what's actually happening with the main characters and maybe you'll like it more. I only just caught up, so I'm sure it's different when you've been waiting so long without knowing what's happening. But I'm sure in another chapter or 2 we'll find out more, and it will actually feel more like the old SNK.I don't like whatever is happening after the basement chapter. It feels like a totally different manga. I really don't want to drop it, but it's just not the same anymore. It's going to a totally different direction. I miss the old characters, the old plot, the old SNK. Rayla said: The Eldians are what Eren and friends are; the people on Paradis Island who, if injected with the serum, become titans.Can someone quickly tell me which side is Eldian and which is Marley? I'm a little confused, I might need to read stuff over again. The Marleyans are the people who (supposedly) can't become titans and seek to rid the world of Eldians. Essentially the main enemies of our main cast of characters atm. Does anyone think there's a chance of Mikasa being the next "female titan" if Annie's time is up? I'm just assuming things, really. I'd say that it's pretty high up there on things that could happen. Though, I also can't help but think that Annie's going to side with Eren and co. in the end... I'm pretty sure she cared about Armin at least. I can't see him just putting Annie in that crystal for so long, only for her to die and pass on her titan immediately after getting out. Also it sounds like she's at least got a couple of years left, so unless they just outright murder her, then there's gonna have to be another time-skip for that. And really, thinking about it now, it seems like the Ackermans are just more badass and suited to fighting without titan powers. Mikasa has never really been vulnerable without titan powers in the first place. I'm not sure she actually needs them. |
HalibelTheEspadaMay 28, 2017 1:55 AM
| Whew ... I finally caught up. Took me some time with all the anime I'm watching this season that are taking up a lot of my free time. Started to like it when it got more interesting with the political arc ... and later the re-capturing of Shinganshina and the revealings from the basement. This is a bit common for Japanese stories. I remember even games and other anime where there is a fantasy world and then later some ancient sci-fi or modern technology gets revealed and dragged back into the plot set into that fantasy world. A bit similar. Not too much of sci-fi ... more fantasy (with that titan powers and how it started) but the other country (Marley) seemed more technologically advanced (almost on the level of our modern society) while the island (Paradise and the people behind the walls) are a bit lacking. (Mainly because of the politics ... keeping the people inside the wall and the MPs blocking techological advancements that could lead to people bypassing the walls.) This is interesting. But it also can feel "too much" sometimes. (The more that gets added the more complicated it gets. The author seems to be able to do a good job keeping it consistent ... but I don't know ... less complex would have been better maybe.) I don't care about Ymir. Never really liked her. It is interesting to see Marley and the other Eldians living there. But I'd prefer if it went back to the main chars (Eren and the others) soon. Starting to miss some of them. Marleyians are not that interesting but I can somehow sympathize with the other Eldians living there. The kids (the ones looking up to Reiner) helped conveying this. They are thinking they are in the right ... needing to destroy the people on the island to make the Marleyians recognize them. (Won't happen they'll still oppress them or even kill then once titans aren't needed anymore. This already has been hinted.) The one guy at page 1 of this thread that thought Zeke might plan something against Marley ... yeah that does not sound too unrealistic. That other guy with Grisha (The Eren Kruger or what he was called) ... he killed tons of his own people to get the trust of the Marley people (so he could act as Owl). Now Zeke betraying his parents ... that earned him a lot of trust as well. He even was at that meeting of the higher ups. (Surely they wouldn't allow any other ordinary Eldians there.) Him pushing to progress the plan to capture the "Coordinate" ... maybe it wasn't only to strengthen Marleys power while they develop more technology. He might want to use it for himself ... while Marley does not yet have a lot of better technology to fight against titans. (It was interesting here to see other minor nations exist that use advanced technology - like that one middle east guys with the for in some chapters ago.) I'm curious about the 9th titan type guy and about the Ackermans. Those different "bloodlines" and the power to control their memories (which did not affect the Ackermans). ... Maybe each of the 9 titans has their own bloodline (with most of the people in the wall inheriting the founding titans bloodline indirectly - direct descendants only the direct children to the Reiss family). 8 other remaining. 1 was the Attack type which Grisha gave to Eren. And 7 were supposed to be in control of Marley. We only saw 6 of them (Armored, Colossal, Beast, Female, "Cart" and the one Ymir took from that one guys brother which she returned later). Maybe the 7th died and it resurrects/gets transferred to people of the same bloodline then. And maybe that bloodline is the Ackermans ... or maybe it is something irregular like instead of turning them into a titan giving them power when they are in human form. Like a "human titan" ... maybe strengthening all of their bloodline. |
keragamming said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- woooo this chapter came out of nowhere, was not expecting it. I have to say this chapter was pretty good it allowed us to see the perspective of the marley and eldian side of things, and it was interesting. A bit disappointed that we still haven't return to our main group, but this chapter made up for it, and it seems Annie might be out of the crystal and is now helping Eren and company. I just can't wait to see how they look and what they have accomplished in these past 3 years. Also rip Ymir ;( You were one of my favorite female characters. Its also interesting that Zeke has two sons. I wonder if Eren has any by now? lol 5/5 two sons? i thought he only mentioned one?? |
aina-kun said: keragamming said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- woooo this chapter came out of nowhere, was not expecting it. I have to say this chapter was pretty good it allowed us to see the perspective of the marley and eldian side of things, and it was interesting. A bit disappointed that we still haven't return to our main group, but this chapter made up for it, and it seems Annie might be out of the crystal and is now helping Eren and company. I just can't wait to see how they look and what they have accomplished in these past 3 years. Also rip Ymir ;( You were one of my favorite female characters. Its also interesting that Zeke has two sons. I wonder if Eren has any by now? lol 5/5 two sons? i thought he only mentioned one?? He actually has no children, shitty translation. |
@keragamming what about this panel? http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/mr/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/c093/pg-9/ this translation is wrong? |
Roveir said: Did anyone notice that their world is incredibly similar to ours? Image of the panel with the map of their world: Image of our world's map flipped vertically: How about the theories about this stuff? xD im aching to know what are these pics... T,T |
| I guess the "son" then means the guy that soon will inherit his power. (They guy ... I think his name was "Colt".) And the vertically flipped map ... maybe then with the island on the bottom? (So that island looks similar to Australia on the map?) |
aina-kun said: Yes shitty translations@keragamming what about this panel? http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/mr/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/c093/pg-9/ this translation is wrong? This is the official translations |
| @Luthandorius i see. was kinda excited to see eren having a nephew tho lol. regarding the map, i just saw this http://falcon94ssy.tumblr.com/post/156358197719/snk-world-map-theory IMMEDIATE GOOSEBUMPS and hey, you just recently caught up to it too!! never thought i'd actually read this again cause i actually dropped this series somewhere at 67 chapter because im soo confused and i cant understand shit. it's amazing how i get sucked into this series once gain, and now with better understanding and astonishment. sorry for judging you too early, SnK! |
Luthandorius said: The "son" is referring to himself (Zeke) as the former son of GrishaI guess the "son" then means the guy that soon will inherit his power. (They guy ... I think his name was "Colt".) And the vertically flipped map ... maybe then with the island on the bottom? (So that island looks similar to Australia on the map?) |
sim0n2170 said: aina-kun said: Yes shitty translations@keragamming what about this panel? http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/mr/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/c093/pg-9/ this translation is wrong? This is the official translations whoaaa. thanks man! soo bummed tbh lol. i was actually hoping for zeke to have a son. it'll be more exciting |
| I see. I wonder why the Manga Fox website where I previously downloaded up to chapter 87 some months ago does not use the better translation anymore. I think they hat from some "Mangastream" someone mentioned as better translation here. I noticed later about those "pure titans" and I correctly (as people explained in this thread) knew they meant the mindless titans. And for me it got interesting - as mentioned - with the political arc ... but the "I can't stop reading" was when the arc with recapturing Shinganshina started. (I think a bit later than chapter 67 where aina-kun dropped it first.) I had it dropped myself ... it was back then around chapter 40-50 I think ... when I read up to date back then when the 1st season of the anime aired or finished. (I read prior to the anime starting and was disappointed because the anime was too slow/did not animate much interesting stuff and in the manga it was not too interesting up to that point but I heard that it got better later and decided to re-read from 1 when S2 of the anime started.) Now looking forward to the world. When people said it would be a flipped version of our world I first thought of Africa as well (only remembered that small portion with the continent of Marley and the island and the continend looked like Africa). So the island is some minor island (or Madagascar or whatever ... I don't know all these small countries. :D - and not Australia like I though arlier). And with the author already having confirmed this somewhere (that it is a flipped version of our world) it makes sense if there are other countries ... that might not even have been part of the earlier plot 1xxx years ago with the ancient Eldians and the titans. (Probably only that continent affected and not even the island ... until that King fled to the island and built the walls.) Might lead to some other major powers interfering ... maybe the people behind the walls allying with the other Eldians/Marley against them. Or Eren eating all the other major titans unifying all the powers to get some super-titan to pwn everyone (or he then somehow is able to return the power to that demon where Ymir Fritz got it from to release all the Eldians so all the mindless titans will turn back human as well). |
aina-kun said: Roveir said: Did anyone notice that their world is incredibly similar to ours? Image of the panel with the map of their world: Image of our world's map flipped vertically: How about the theories about this stuff? xD im aching to know what are these pics... T,T lol sorry, I didn't know these links had expired haha But the images were quite the same as the ones you posted here: (and I think that's still awesome) |
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