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Nov 20, 2016 3:23 PM
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I don't understand the review or criticism being made. I also don't understand how he is criticizing Shelter for taking the "shortcut" when it's a 3 minute video.

There's no possible way a meaningful story with depth can be told in only 3 minute video (to my knowledge) yet the entire review criticizes the show for not giving us a story with more substance.

For what Shelter was, it did a good job using animation and music as a means to evoke emotions

Anime should be critiqued on a case-by-case basis, expecting the same level of storytelling you find in an anime series from Shelter is not a valid critique.

Yet despite all this, the review is up-voted by over a thousand people. Am I missing something, and if so, can somebody explain to me his review in layman's terms because truthfully I did not get his thesis at all.
EndlessNights9Nov 20, 2016 3:54 PM
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Nov 20, 2016 3:26 PM
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*hug noises*

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How about you bring it up with the author instead (though given how much he's seemingly been spammed about it already, maybe you shouldn't)
Nov 20, 2016 3:29 PM
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maybe those who agreed (the ones who up-voted) can explain to me the review which was why i posted this here.
Nov 20, 2016 3:39 PM
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Basically think of it this way.

His critique of the video is as cheap and devoid of substance as the video itself.
Nov 20, 2016 3:45 PM
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who gives a shit, it probably took longer to make this thread in response to a guy writing a review than it takes to watch the fucking thing you both are talking about.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Nov 20, 2016 3:47 PM
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Wow... 1/10 is the top review... I guess the second one will be around 8-9/10.... xD
Nov 20, 2016 3:48 PM
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JizzyHitler said:
who gives a shit, it probably took longer to make this thread in response to a guy writing a review than it takes to watch the fucking thing you both are talking about.


I want to understand his perspective; gain greater insight which is why I'm reaching out.

There's this urge inside me that needs to find out why they are criticizing Shelter on the same basis as they would with an other anime series
EndlessNights9Nov 20, 2016 3:57 PM
Nov 20, 2016 3:50 PM
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Pessimistic people bashing on everything. It is the internet.
Let the cunts be cunts.
Nov 20, 2016 3:55 PM
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EndlessNights9 said:
JizzyHitler said:
who gives a shit, it probably took longer to make this thread in response to a guy writing a review than it takes to watch the fucking thing you both are talking about.


I want to understand his perspective; gain greater insight which is why I'm reaching out
clearly you arent cause if that were true you'd just message him directly, these type of threads exist only as an echo chamber.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Nov 20, 2016 3:59 PM
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JizzyHitler said:
EndlessNights9 said:


I want to understand his perspective; gain greater insight which is why I'm reaching out
clearly you arent cause if that were true you'd just message him directly, these type of threads exist only as an echo chamber.


Yes but knowing he probably gets hundreds of DMs, my message will only be futile but for those who up-voted the review, maybe they can explain to me why they agree with his review.
Nov 20, 2016 4:13 PM
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I upvoted his review because it makes you guys wet your pants. Technically I did it by accident but fuck it.

also I think he has the right to think whatever he thinks.
Nov 20, 2016 4:32 PM

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EndlessNights9 said:
JizzyHitler said:
clearly you arent cause if that were true you'd just message him directly, these type of threads exist only as an echo chamber.


Yes but knowing he probably gets hundreds of DMs, my message will only be futile but for those who up-voted the review, maybe they can explain to me why they agree with his review.
Your just making excuses, he has a whopping 4 profile comments in the past week. You only made this for opinion validation.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Nov 20, 2016 4:43 PM

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K, ima explain to you like babybaby.

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Oct 19, 2016
GOTTA GO FAST
1 of 1 episodes seen
I actually watched this shit
Overall Rating: 1
Trigger warning/10



This might be one of the worst things I have ever watched.
This is worse thing ever.

Despite my acerbic persona, I don't think I normally say stuff that's this outlandish, but with Shelter, I feel like something crucial needs to be said about why this kind of content is not acceptable.
While I’m a thoughtful asshole, I usually don’t throw mean shit into people’s happy pie. (I'm a thoughtful donk like that.) However, I’m gonna lay it into Shelter because I want to. Suck on it mate.

Let's get two things out of the way. Undeniably, this video looks good. It's well drawn, well animated, and is certainly eye catching with its colorful visuals and impressively imaginative landscapes. As music, this is not something that's suited to me, but I can at least understand people who think that Porter's music is palatable to them.
Now, before you naggle waggle gobstoppers start whining and crying, let me just get this out of the way in this introductory paragraph: Shelter looks and sounds mighty fine. Mighty fine! (Like, maybe it’s only ok, but whatever.) MIGHTY FINE. So don't say I don't acknowledge the mighty powers that be, because I do, I really do.

My problem with this piece is not related to the audiovisuals but rather with the idea that this should be taken as a story or a music video that is trying to be something more than just Porter's music meshed with beautifully animated sequences. I understand that these criticisms are often held back by the difficulties of critiquing something that isn't overtly concerned with story, but in a piece so unabashedly attempting to draw sympathy, there's fair ground here to levy some serious concerns.
But you see, dear gobbelstopper, the problem with Shelter is not the animation or music! Allow me to now state the issue: Shelter desperately wants you to FEEL, and so, it’s open season.

Shelter exemplifies everything that is wrong with storytelling in anime, namely that rather attempting to tell a real story developed with content and meaningful emotion, it takes the most abusive shortcut by designing a cute character, throwing her into a position of bittersweet melancholy, and using that as a means of manipulating our basest emotions into believing there is something meaningful and tragic to be said.
Using moe to create easypeasy penis-tickling tragedy porn is pretty basic and cheap as willy wonka’s candy. Cute girls being cute is Anime’s shortcut to success. Stop being such a sucker.

People are praising the emotional resonance in the story and its ability to bring out the loneliness lost in the profundity of memory. Yet, consider a world where the main character is not a beautiful teenage girl, lost and confused in a world completely foreign to her. When you remove that physical appearance that makes us so inexplicably attracted to her stake in the story, there is ultimately no reason for us to feel sympathy. It is completely superficial.
As much as some try to deny it, shallow FEELS is the name of the game, and being turned on is no excuse for being a yucky sucker.

One might say that it's only a six minute short, but the fact that Shelter goes out of its way to show for a split second the main character's letter from her father, to invoke the community to spend time and read it on a second watch, tells me that there is a serious intent to manifest some semblance of a meaningful story. However, that is undermined precisely by the video's own neglect of that story. Much like many other anime designed purely for cheap tears and easy pity, we are given not substance, but rather a montage of a young innocent girl cherishing sweet memories with someone we barely meet.
Some people, (like OP!) will try to excuse this lazypants heartstring prancing. But Shelter wants you to care. It tries to be something deep. BUT IT’S NOT!! And so it has wounded itself deeply in spirit and soul. Like so many other baby anime, Shelter is an empty slideshow of noisy but meaningless movement.

Sure it can be cute, but that does not preclude it from being utterly trite. Shelter offends its audience by presenting us with its fascinating visuals, the ostensible undertones of a post-apocalyptic world, the perceived loneliness of being potentially the last human in the universe, but gives us nothing more than the lowest common denominator of a story, one that galvanizes its sympathies out of the most mundane and pathetic tricks in the book, and half-expects us to take it seriously. I cannot in good conscience, recommend this music video to anyone.
Yeah, shit’s cute. But this A++ from the heart does not make even a passing grade for the mind. The human experience is more than this. Instead of getting worked up over Shelter, pls do something better with your life.

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Absolutely killed it
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Pretty sure it's a troll review written specifically to cause the backlash it apparently did. MAL is made up of children who can't fathom the notion of someone disagreeing with them, and immediately lash out if someone dares criticise that which they enjoyed.

Based on the review itself, as well as how the author has responded to comments - even the legitimate comments that analysed and critiqued the review - I can only come to the conclusion that it isn't a serious one, or that the overall score was exaggerated in order to trigger people. The 1/10 isn't genuine; it's laid on just for attention. You can't give high praise to the sound, art and animation on a music animation and then give it a 1/10. The lowest score possible indicates that you felt it had absolutely no redeeming factors. It's a false score. A large portion of the review itself isn't even reviewing Shelter, so much as just attacking the viewers. How it can be classed as a review of Shelter when it goes off on one about the industry and tropes that people like is beyond me.
MazNov 20, 2016 4:48 PM
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether!
It's an entirely different kind of flying.
Nov 20, 2016 4:51 PM
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Maz said:
Pretty sure it's a troll review written specifically to cause the backlash it apparently did. MAL is made up of children who can't fathom the notion of someone disagreeing with them, and immediately lash out if someone dares criticise that which they enjoyed.

Based on the review itself, as well as how the author has responded to comments - even the legitimate comments that analysed and critiqued the review - I can only come to the conclusion that it isn't a serious one, or that the overall score was exaggerated in order to trigger people. The 1/10 isn't genuine; it's laid on just for attention. You can't give high praise to the sound, art and animation on a music animation and then give it a 1/10. The lowest score possible indicates that you felt it had absolutely no redeeming factors. It's a false score. A large portion of the review itself isn't even reviewing Shelter, so much as just attacking the viewers. How it can be classed as a review of Shelter when it goes off on one about the industry and tropes that people like is beyond me.


thanks dude, that makes more sense
Nov 22, 2016 11:50 AM
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yeah, 1 is too low, I think 6 or 7 fits this serie, IMO
Nov 22, 2016 12:55 PM

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Haters gonna hate
Nov 22, 2016 1:22 PM
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From DegenerateReviewer, this sums it up " The human experience is more than this. Instead of getting worked up over Shelter, pls do something better with your life."
Nov 23, 2016 8:05 AM

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From another thread since OP's too lazy to look it up.

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You mad brah? @Zergneedsfood is MAL's saviour from the heavens. Honestly this music video is mediocre (just Porter promoting his new brostep single) yet people wet themselves like it's the second coming of Jesus.
Nov 23, 2016 2:20 PM
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yeah, 1 is too low, I think 6 or 7 fits this serie, IMO


"Series" fucking lmao.
Nov 23, 2016 5:44 PM
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10/10 graphically art style
7/10 music
0/10 everything else
Nov 25, 2016 5:10 AM

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I can't understand why so much hate on shelter. It's not supposed to be a series, it's supposed to be a music video, right? Its song is amazing, its simple story makes me want to cry, and sends us a beautiful message, its art is outstanding... so why don't you rate it thinking about what it's supposed to be, instead of thinking about anime movies or series? It's like rating a chinese restaurant badly because they didn't offer mexican food.
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I can't understand why so much hate on shelter. It's not supposed to be a series, it's supposed to be a music video, right? Its song is amazing, its simple story makes me want to cry, and sends us a beautiful message, its art is outstanding... so why don't you rate it thinking about what it's supposed to be, instead of thinking about anime movies or series? It's like rating a chinese restaurant badly because they didn't offer mexican food.

Holy moly, why are people still upset about that review? If he scored it a 1 and many people 'found his review helpful' it means it has some merit. A 1 is a score like any other but I guess most Shelter fans are these ones:
http://www.animemaru.com/myanimelist-scores-dramatically-decrease-as-users-realize-they-can-give-scores-lower-than-5/

Also Ckan explained the points of the review very well.


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Nov 25, 2016 11:46 AM

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"My problem with this piece is not related to the audiovisuals but rather with the idea that this should be taken as a story or a music video that is trying to be something more than just Porter's music meshed with beautifully animated sequences." this is what's bothering me... He didnt't rate it based on what's it supposed to be, he rated it based on full anime series, and I'm sure many people marked it as helpful just because he rated it 1, not because of his review. Also, "it takes the most abusive shortcut by designing a cute character, throwing her into a position of bittersweet melancholy, and using that as a means of manipulating our basest emotions into believing there is something meaningful and tragic to be said." I'll support the cuties to the end =.=
Nov 25, 2016 12:39 PM

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They have pathetic and meaningless lives, so they try and get a rise out of others. Just ignore them as best you can.

Nov 25, 2016 12:48 PM

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> Watch 3-minute music video
> Form your own opinion
> Decide from that whether to upvote or ignore the review
> ???
> Profit!
Nov 25, 2016 1:41 PM

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https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1563050

Semi-duplicate topic and you trying to put your own scale of how you want things to be judged on others.
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