Sengoku Youko Chapter 99 Discussion

Hijazi said:
It was interesting enough to make me stick to the end. There are very few manga which I enjoyed this much. Great characters, Great fights and good enough art made it worth the time. My only complaint is how the shoguns arc went. It made little sense to me. Otherwise a great manga, one which I would highly recommend.

8/10. based on my enjoyment of it. :)

Paulo27 said:
Why did it make little sense? It developed Senya greatly.

Hijazi said:

Well everything surrounding his death. The logic given. what was the point of him fighting if he had decided to die anyway? just give them his head and be done with it. no need to make it this exaggerated now is there?
The point is, his death could have been easily avoided in that scenario. idk why the mangaka decided to kill him off with such weak plotline/setting/context.

Tulicloure said:
Well, one thing is that Yoshiteru's death in Sengoku Youko is based on the legends about the actual Ashikaga Yoshiteru's death (including that little poem), as well as his swordfighting skills.

In-story justification: he foresaw what his fate was and, being a wise and spiritual man, understood that fighting fate would only make things worse (as we later learn is true, with the consequences of the Tribe of the Void' Fate Power manipulation). It doesn't mean that he would just roll over and let Matsunaga have his way, though. Might as well give the bastards a real fight, if they're going to kill you. Also, it was shown in the previous chapters that the Shogun did enjoy fighting, so there's really not much reason for him not to do so.

Hijazi said:

It is ok for the author to follow the actual legends but he should have done so with a bit more convincing settings. In the presence of zanzou, shinosuke and the earth god, it was too anticlamatic for him to die like that. If he had gone down after exhausting every option at his disposal then it would have been more sensible imo.

Also I think fighting fate is different from its manipulation. The void people tampered with it too much to make it go against them to the point of their total anihilation.

Abbacchioblues said:
You're both kinda missing the point. Teru foresaw his death and all, but his will to die is mostly so Matsunaga wouldn't go after his retainers. As long as he was alive he'd be risking the lives of every single one of his friends, so he went as far as dying ito make them not relevant to kill anymore since Matsunaga would already be in the position he wanted.
The whole "fighting like crazy instead of just waiting to be beheaded" happened because he enjoys fighting, and that's the biggest thing he taught Senya, and that Senya taught Mudo, and that both Senya and Mudo taught Banshouou.

Hijazi said:


You know Teru was owning Matsunaga's army right? And if the other three had joined him then it was not all that difficult to defeat and kill Matsunaga; hence getting rid of the danger completely. So why kill him when he could have easily been saved? Also what is the point in having retainers when he have to sacrifice himself for them. That's why his death is not justifiable in those circumstances and made little sense. And that's why I don't buy his lame death. :/
(lame as in its context/premise/reasoning)

No no no, the one who taught Senya the joy of fighting was the Tiger guy not Teru. Senya was under the wrong impression that he will remain human as long as he doesn't fight; he was questioning his humanity as far as I remember and shogun corrected him in that it was alright for him to fight and it won't make him inhuman. He didn't teach him the joy in fighting; that was the tiger guy.

Tulicloure said:


They actually did!
Right after we learn that Shinsuke has passed, we're told that the village is governed by the next generations of the Raidou (Zanzou) and Kazamatsuri (Shinsuke) families. This last chapter also has Senya using that gourd to lock the futon demon, which he says was made by the "fourth head of the Kazamatsuri family". Lastly, one of Mizukami's one-shots actually has a character with the Kazamatsuri family name, so we can safely assume Shinsuke's blood is still around in the world.

devilscorner said:

really?? then im glad, because seriously i totally forgot shinsuke's last name i just based on what is writter here on MAL which is Hyoudou, thats why i was so confused. anyways thank you for clearing that up.

Adion222 said:
How the heck is Jinka alive after all those years, I think he was supposed to die when his brother dies, and correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't his brother human? And if that's right, what was the point of him even trying to become demon, if his brother remains human?