Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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| Novel readers, spoiler please Nashetania is the fake? |
Zefyris said: CookingPriest said: ITS A FUCKING DECORATIVE PIECE WORN BY ROYALTY calm down lol xD. But yeah the ears are fake. Just like Chamo's frog costume, Hans' cat like behaviour and tail (?) , Goldof's sheep horns on his helmet, the guys at the beginning of the first episode wearing wolf/bird symbols... Oh I knew the "ears" were fake haha, it was just an observation. |
CookingPriest said: Zefyris said: Found that on animesuki board  It thought that was spot on xD Now if only majority of people realize that. I still saw someone call this "a filler detour" and that "they are wasting time with this plot" and "should just get to fighting the demons". Can't really expect much from people who want action and only action. If no action then the series is automatically shit. I've not seen a series do proper tension like this in a very long time. Definitely one of, if not the best this season so far. |
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| DAMN! Goldof and Hans are so hot!!! |
lezerman said: Novel readers, spoiler please Nashetania is the fake? Let me remind you of the rules of threads in MAL : Stark700 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. You just asked someone if he wanted to get reported. Xenocrisi said: DAMN! Goldof and Hans are so hot!!! Somehow I think the number of fangirl for Hans is going to sky rocket after this episode xD. The seiyuu has a very nice voice (well, it's Lavi's seiyuu... :O ) and when you actually see Hans' eyes, he looks really cool. I was a bit disapointed at his look in the anime because he looks cool in the LN, until I saw scenes in this episode where we saw his eyes. And then well, I'm convinced, that's a OK for me on that point x). apokaliz500 said: After watching this episode with subbed ED, they really try hard to sell Nashetania as a fake. Which makes me think she isn't one. They may be going for some plot twist that she has reasons to behave like she does and be manipulative bitch but they aren't related to being fake rokka. If that's true, I guess my main suspect is currently Chamot. I have to say, I was wondering how much time before someone says this. And surprised how long it took actually. Everyone goes "the less suspicious is the most suspicious and the most suspicious is the red herring" trope but without noticing that the most suspected right now by the anime watcher IS the one they're suspecting. I'm not telling if this is correct or not, but I was wondering why no one was seeing that so far. I mean if I was anime watcher only I'm pretty sure by now that I would have posted that already for a while. |
ZefyrisAug 2, 2015 3:35 PM
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| Adlet's bomb didn't open the door but activated the armor guards. The guards opened the door for Adlet. After Adlet saw the Monkey fiend escaped. Someone sneaked in and acitaved the barrier. My guess its Chamot. As she was nearby because she killed the Monkey Fiend. Plus she arrived after Fremy, Nacheaniya and Goldof. Also she immediately points at Fremy ( Being the Rokka killer and half human/fiend). But I maybe Hans too. Since he is well knowledgeable about the seal door structure. |
| Somebody PLEASE piledrive chamot in the face with a sledgehammer. I have not had such hatred for an anime character in quite a long time. On the other side this was the best episode yet... |
Zefyris said: Somehow I think the number of fangirl for Hans is going to sky rocket after this episode xD. The seiyuu has a very nice voice (well, it's Lavi's seiyuu... :O ) and when you actually see Hans' eyes, he looks really cool. I was a bit disapointed at his look in the anime because he looks cool in the LN, until I saw scenes in this episode where we saw his eyes. And then well, I'm convinced, that's a OK for me on that point x). I think all the main male cast in this anime is pretty cool - both in character design and personality. On the other hand, apart from Fremy I don't like any of the female characters - again, in both design and personality. Fremy is awesome though; I though her flower on her head and her white hair was cool, but an evil looking eye makes her even more epic. |
| If we assume, that everything the viewer sees is a given fact, even though the suspect is on Adlet, he couldnt be the fake. Fremy is also out of suspicion. Saying "The least suspicious is the fake and the most suspicious is a trap" is way to old. Just because this is so known it could be the exact opposite or neither the least or the most suspicious and if we then suspect the least suspicious he becomes the most suspicious again, etc.... Everything I say now follows the assumption the the Adlets version of how he entered the temple and how the viewer watched this is true: If it is like that, we cant bother on how the fake have gotten in there, but it must be someone who was alone at that point assuming there there is not a traitor between the original six pairing with the fake for unknown reasons. But all met already up with someone else at that moment if Im not mistaken, so we cant take this into consideration. Hans would be obvious, but like above, that doesnt really matter, but based on how he behavend throughout the episode I dont think hes the fake. Chamot was very aggressive this episode, but I think the just fits the spoiled, but strong character she is (still have no clue why exactly she is strong, but I will see her fighting soon I hope). It is also natural for her to suspect Flemy given the situation. Mora behaved quite neutral this episode, so I cant still decide wheter she is suspicious or not. Goldov seems very loyal, which makes him suspicious, which again doesnt count. But he behaved a little strange this episode. And finakky Nash. She is atm the most suspicious. How she was portrayed this episode, how she looked, how she behaved was definetely out of order and while this still would be suspicious, she will more liely be less suepcected than Hans, so we couldnt even apply "most suspicious = red herring" on her. My suspect for the time is Nash. I really wonder if who the fake is will be revealed til the end of the series (would be huge disappointment if not, but the novels are still publishing and I have no clue how far they are progressed in the story, but if the fight agains the demon god is the end of the series, it will likely not happen in the anime...sadly) |
JonPiter said: yes and u can also discover who the seventh isI have a question to the LN readers, is it already possible to the watchers discover how the barrier was activated based only on the information in the anime? as a LN reader, I feel so giddy whenever I see someone make a wrong guess of who the seventh is xDD and when they say someone is definitely not the seventh...who actually is...xDD just a quick advice to u anime watchers, the author LOVES to fool with your mind. so don't EVER dismiss someone as innocent without evidence (I'm talking to those of you who says "it's impossible", or "it'd be too obvious", or "there's no way." |
ramenystAug 2, 2015 7:36 PM
55UiM10 said: Does any one know how many novel the anime will cover? It feels they are still adapting the first volume, if thats the case it should need at least two more episode to solve the mystery or is there enough material in the first volume to last 12 episode? From my experience first volume of a novel never end at a cliffhanger so I thought they'd cover at least two volume. lol u r so wrong. every volume in this series end with a cliffhanger. especially volume 5, it's a HUGE cliffhanger! Mod edit: Possible spoiler removed. Please don't post spoilers! |
rodacAug 3, 2015 12:39 AM
Zeando said: adlet not seeing anyone doesn't mean anyone couldn't have come before adlet arrived there and no, it's not only mora, anyone with the key could have opened and reclosed the doors before, so if it wasn't mora cause she was with hans and they both can confirm each other, it should have been someone else, what is left to explain is how could the key move from mora to the temple and back to mora aside from adlet the only one to not be grouped when the barrier got activated was chamo, no one can confirm adlet and chamo's position and what they were doing when it happened chamo has no alibi, but again, if she used the key she should have taken it from mora far before, then somehow gave it back before she entered the room You know I want rewatched the last part of this episode and I think we have misunderstood what Hans was saying. To begin with he states the Saint of Seals barriers and doors are always strange. They only seem to work one way, either by never opening up, or trapping you inside once you come in. Or some case when you open them up a traps like iron bars will come down. This quirk of her magic, so in this context what happened here with Adlet isn't strange. Her seals are all based on reaction that will always leave some sign of entry proper or not. So if Mora had entered the temple it would have been open since the key likely only works once and only she wouldn't have been attacked because it opened the correct way. Since the temple was locked before Adlet got there, it means couldn't have been Mora who we later learn was with Hans before she got there. So Hans accusation makes sense in light of mechanics of the how the Saint of Seals magic works and the fact the group is not omniscient. The only reason audience knows Adlet didn't set off the barrier is because we saw everything that happened. |
Iron_MawAug 2, 2015 7:54 PM
majiloveanime said: I think I developed a Hans crush (≧◡≦) anyway, I think Nashentania is the culprit. Too suspicious. When she was all dizzy from this episode, acted crazy when they were trapped, destroyed the altar, has blade power even though everybody else had hand to hand combat, and just as a potential plot twist character. Then again Adelt, main character, as the villain is pretty good too. not everyone is hand to hand power. like mura, saint of mountains. like fremy, saint of gunpowder. like chamo, whose saint power will show up later. |
| Yep i don't have the patience pick through closely with everything they say but i'm sure some people love this stuff so guess i'm just gonna have to wait and see how this unfolds. since at first i felt hans was it but things keep pointing to Nashetania never trust a maid/fake maid! |
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CJKDR said: probably cuz people didn't bother to watch the anime cuz they think it's another cliche chosen-one-kill-the-boss animeWith all this intense debating and the amount of posts you would think this would be ranked higher.. Debate and interest in refuting an argument shows enjoyment imo. |
| Last time I heard an anime character being called a fake was in infinite BLADE works? |
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Zefyris said: this anime actually does have lots of actions...there should be some next episode...some talkings next next, and a major fight next next next epsCJKDR said: With all this intense debating and the amount of posts you would think this would be ranked higher.. Debate and interest in refuting an argument shows enjoyment imo. Actually the score keep getting lower and will as long as there will be peoples awaiting an action show who have not realized what the show is. After it's clear enough, it may goes up again. |
kickmesign said: Well, this kind of "fake" differs a lot from UBW(Unlimited* Blade Works). Last time I heard an anime character being called a fake was in infinite BLADE works? On topic: The OP/ED CD seems to have been released already, worth the buy IMO if you like the first OP/ED. |
kickmesign said: Last time I heard an anime character being called a fake was in infinite BLADE works? "Faker" not "fake". ttcchen said: Zefyris said: this anime actually does have lots of actions...there should be some next episode...some talkings next next, and a major fight next next next epsActually the score keep getting lower and will as long as there will be peoples awaiting an action show who have not realized what the show is. After it's clear enough, it may goes up again. No it doesn't. The first volume has a lot of action, but since the first volume is extended on so much episode compared to the classic rushed adaptation 1 volume = 3 episode, the result is that fights are here and there. There isn't enough fight remamining to have one per episode if the adaptation only cover the first novel. That should be obvious. That would make 12 fights in a single 300 pages novels, even action focused novels don't have that. There are still several big one remaining yes. But not 7 of them. |
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| Mod Note: Removed another couple of potential spoilers. Please don't post spoilers. Since I haven't read the LN, I don't know how this will end up (even as the guy who has to read and remove spoilers--since more than one character has been indicated in them), but what bothers me is that there continue to be assumptions made, that I don't think are absolutely true (they are possible, maybe even probable, but not required). These include: 1. The 7th is an agent of the Demon Lord and not someone with another reason for posing as one of the Braves 2. The 7th is the one who activated the barrier These are likely to be true, but there still exists a level of uncertainty about them. In light of some of the twists and turns that have happened so far, I rather expect there to be a more complex problem underlying this story than simply identifying the fake, dealing with them, and then setting off to kill the demon lord, hi ho, hi ho.... |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
Zefyris said: Found that on animesuki board It thought that was spot on xD i think i got genreic detective show with fantasy theme disguise. |
neolucaman said: i think i got genreic detective show with fantasy theme disguise. I'm sorry, but how is a LOTR/Record of Lodoss stye fantasy mixed with a murder mystery style plot in anyway generic? What show/book has even done something this before? Furthermore locked room mysteries aren't very common to start with. |
| People like the word "generic" and "cliché" to justify what they don't really like. "Why do you not like it?" It's cliché", "it's generic". Peoples think it's kind of "legitimating" there personal opinion as being correct. Don't mind it, even the most original story in the world can receive the word "generic" from peoples who didn't like it. |
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Thorgott-san said: Fremy is also out of suspicion. You only say that because she is just too kawaii. |
| A terrible new opening was made up for by a fantastic episode! It was a bit over dramatic standing on top of the podium introducing yourself to the lets-save-the-world class, but watching the characters interact in a complex situation was nice. Also nice to see some logic being used instead of some brainless heroes. Now if they just go back to the old opening and ending songs I'll be set :P |
| Good episode, but I really hate the direction this story has taken. |
madclaw said: Good episode, but I really hate the direction this story has taken. This has been set up since the first episode. If you don't like it now, then you shouldn't have liked it then either. |
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GSupernova said: I guess you could argue that eventually they probably would let him out but from the way it was presented when they escaped afterwards I can't help but doubt it... That's Adlet, the strongest man in the world. I'm sure he would have escaped in a day or two. The princess had just made things smoother. |
Zefyris said: So my avatar and sign finally have stopped to be a spoiler. I hereby apologize if some peoples were annoyed that it was showing Fremy's right eye, I didn't realize it was a spoiler until after episode 3. I mean in the japanese novel, you get a picture of her with her right eye visible right from the start so it's an anime-only spoiler, which caught me off guard considering the time I spent with that avatar and sign~ Couldn't apologize before since it would have attracted the attention of people who didn't realize it in reverse. Hope no one was annoyed with it ^^". I could not see shit with that bad quality of picture. So I have no idea how could someone see "spoilers". |
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neolucaman said: pretty good expression of how I feel.Zefyris said: Found that on animesuki board It thought that was spot on xD i think i got genreic detective show with fantasy theme disguise. |
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| Is it possible there are indeed seven legitimate Saints/Braves? Why not create one (or even a few more) for redundancy? |
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ttcchen said: lol u r so wrong. every volume in this series end with a cliffhanger. especially volume 5, it's a HUGE cliffhanger! They're not cliffhangers, they're sequel hooks. There's quite a difference. Zefyris said: People like the word "generic" and "cliché" to justify what they don't really like. "Why do you not like it?" It's cliché", "it's generic". Peoples think it's kind of "legitimating" there personal opinion as being correct. Don't mind it, even the most original story in the world can receive the word "generic" from peoples who didn't like it. There is not much else to say about a show you don't like but which is perfectly okay. Still, Rokka no Yuusha's particular crossover (high fantasy x detective) is quite unusual, in a good way. Arcturus9001 said: A terrible new opening was made up for by a fantastic episode! It was a bit over dramatic standing on top of the podium introducing yourself to the lets-save-the-world class Well, it's Adlet who started it. And he's the guy who calls himself the strongest in the world, even through he has no particular accomplishments. Zefyris said: BTW for those finding Chamo annoying since she requests killing Fremy all the time... You seriously need to rememebr that among the 6, Chamo is the ONLY ONE that Fremy directly tried to kill. Having in front of you someone that tried to kill you with a gun yet being told to not do anything about it isn't especially the most fun situation. Especially not for a 14 years child. Is it just me, or does Chamo looks too young to be 14? |
beast_regards said: Is it possible there are indeed seven legitimate Saints/Braves? Why not create one (or even a few more) for redundancy? Because that's a system put in place 1,000 years ago by the saint of a single flower? That her power divided in 6 and not in 7 and worked that way 700 years ago and 300 years ago? |
ZefyrisAug 3, 2015 7:16 AM
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Toaki90 said: So, is this a detective or adventure series? It is more of a detective series. Even through the protagonists get into trouble (a lot, if you're planning to read the books), they get out of it not through quick thinking or strength of their swords, but through deep thinking and outsmarting their opposition. That said, there are enough fights and quick thinking to keep the reader interested. I hope that by the end they will discover the secret of the Majin and befriend him/her. It's not like such a great evil can just appear out of the blue, right? |
Is it just me, or does Chamo looks too young to be 14? outside of the fact she wasn't said in the book to look younger than her real age (whereas Mora was, just like Goldof on the contrary was said to look older)... If it's really the author wish to have her look younger than her age despite that, then my personal theory is that a certain specificity going together with her power is highly inferring her body to receive the proper nutrition elements needed for her body to grow normally. |
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| GOD DAMN IT THAT CLIFFHANGERRRR |
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Zefyris said: Because that's a system put in place 1,000 years ago by the saint of a single flower? That her power divided in 6 and not in 7 and worked that way 700 years ago and 300 years ago? As far I understand from the series it's actually a blessing given by some kind of goddess. If her only means how to interact with the world is naming her champions, I would believe she would name a one or two more for redundancy. Just because all prime choices are being assassinated. It didn't happened in previous cycles so goddess might change the strategy. If system is fixed on six, then what's made a man (or woman) a brave? They obviously suppose to have some kind of superpower. Chamo is said to have one, as well as Moira. Fremy obviously have one too. Adlet however doesn't really do anything. He can fight, but he cheats the way through without any special power involved. He intended to get brave status by cheating too and is arrogant as hell. Even though we saw his ascension to Brave,it doesn't matter as he was a guy who would fake it anyway. Nashetania does have legit looking power, but she is untrustworthy enough. She obviously manipulates both Goldof and Adlet in last episode. Goldof is motivated by protecting Nashetania and getting close to her. He would also fake the tatoo just to get close to the woman he wants. Same goes for Hans, who is professional assassin and he would obviously swap sides for gold. |
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| I can only think that all of them are suspicious to be the seventh brave but i still have my theory in mind. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| the crest make them immune to the demon god's poison. Without the crest, you can't go fight the majin, you'll die far before reaching it. The crest is a system put in place by the saint of a single flower. It uses the temples dedicated to the God of Fate here and there on the continent as a medium. In front of the statues, you need to prove your worth. The "blessing of a god" you refer to are the 78 saints Mora talked about that episode. That's a completely different system. Each saint belong to a temple/altar dedicated to a specific god, and when a saint die/retire, another is chosen by the gods instead. Saints con becomme Braves if they meet the requirement to be chosen, when the demon god awake, but Braves don't become Saints. And you don't need to be in the period of time the demon god awaken to be a saint, either. |
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| I was thinking... For the 7th to fake the brave sign, he first must knew that the demon god had awaken. Taking the characters that was with another choosen brave at the moment of the 'sign awaken' we have: -Adlet -Nashetania -Mora -Chamo Adlet, we the viewers had seen it been put on him by the heavens itself. Nashetania i'm not remembering her case well, but i thinking that seen it on Adlet, she could just faked hers. As well is Mora and Chamo, the two lived together as i can tell, so one could have faked upon seen the other with the brave sign. My thoughts go on Chamo, just cause she is the loli devil incarnate. |
DarkSaga0 said: I was thinking... For the 7th to fake the brave sign, he first must knew that the demon god had awaken. Taking the characters that was with another choosen brave at the moment of the 'sign awaken' we have: -Adlet -Nashetania -Mora -Chamo Adlet, we the viewers had seen it been put on him by the heavens itself. Nashetania i'm not remembering her case well, but i thinking that seen it on Adlet, she could just faked hers. As well is Mora and Chamo, the two lived together as i can tell, so one could have faked upon seen the other with the brave sign. My thoughts go on Chamo, just cause she is the loli devil incarnate. We do not know if Adlet's getting the mark is how it should be. For all we know that was demon god coming to say hi. We have yet to see how anyone else got the mark Nashetania showed her mark around the same time Adlet showed her his. |
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| Why did the opening change anyone knows? I miss the old one :(( |
Zefyris said: the crest make them immune to the demon god's poison Fremy it is then, if crest/mark serve only to ward off the poison. She don't really need a mark to survive the demon god's poison since she is a half-fiend. It would be a terrible waste of resources to place a sign on her. She would logically receive a fake mark in order to do her job as Brave-Killer. On the other hand, she can still have legitimate and genuine motivations to fight against the demon-king. |
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beast_regards said: Zefyris said: the crest make them immune to the demon god's poison Fremy it is then, if crest/mark serve only to ward off the poison. She don't really need a mark to survive the demon god's poison since she is a half-fiend. It would be a terrible waste of resources to place a sign on her. She would logically receive a fake mark in order to do her job as Brave-Killer. On the other hand, she can still have legitimate and genuine motivations to fight against the demon-king. It makes no difference who you are it seems. All the conditions are that you would be strong enough to defeat the demon god and would actually be willing to defeat the demon god. Hans is an assassin and Fremy is a brave killer yet they were chosen(if neither is the fake) because they fit those parameters. SkullProX said: Why did the opening change anyone knows? I miss the old one :(( The real theme of the show was revealed so the show shifted to a more mystery/thriller kind of OP instead of "fantasy adventure" tone of the first one. |
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| Was quite good. Less action the better I suppose. |
| I really need to stop doing this to myself. I read the first novel and it wasn't that bad... until the epilogue which convinced me to never even touch the second one. So I went ahead and read spoilers for the other volumes and it is just GARBAGE. Typical Japanese contrived writing like you see in visual novels and such. It is the second show I've ruined for myself in this season (Gate is the other one) by reading ahead and being disappointed instead of mindlessly enjoying the animation. From now on I think I'll stick to Japanese non-fiction, classics, or translations of foreign works. Giving LNs the benefit of the doubt was clearly a mistake. |
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