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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The fight was alright in space I suppose. It's conflict against the Capital Army again. What a surprise The best imo of the episode is actually Klem fighting. The war is far from over though so I'm curious what else both sides got. Really liked how Bell took the fight on his own terms against that Mask guy this episode. |
Stark700Dec 4, 2014 3:03 PM
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| Did anyone see that book tossed to bell in the preview, was that a TURN A symbol on the cover? Turn A Gundam??? |
Cheeze_whiZ said: Did anyone see that book tossed to bell in the preview, was that a TURN A symbol on the cover? Turn A Gundam??? wow rly? hype. need watch ASAP, too bad its midnight and have to wait tommorow after classes :( |
Cheeze_whiZ said: Did anyone see that book tossed to bell in the preview, was that a TURN A symbol on the cover? Turn A Gundam??? Yeah. The episode has so many direct references to Turn A, that I wonder how to comment without spoilers. Actually, here the Reguild era locks its place in the Gundam franchise. Knowing the aftermaths from UC and before-Turn A, well ..., either G-reco won't be the only series planned for the era to explain/link them, or shit is bound to hit the fan later in the series. The mysteries behind Bellri and Raraiya's origin intensify. I remember Cumpa was pondering about the pirate attack and Bellri's existence being "not a coincidence", and the pope muttered that Raraiya was too young for "something" around episodes 1 and 2. "You have been (properly) warned". Good episode, loved the Turn A rips :)) |
| And here I was thinking Ameria was the underdogs. Fantastic episode, Manny is mad jelly of Barara hahaha. |
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Cheeze_whiZ said: Did anyone see that book tossed to bell in the preview, was that a TURN A symbol on the cover? Turn A Gundam??? That logo was already in the original Gundam on its instructions (and I think some later UCs also used it that way):  |
| ^ True dat. Looking for a (Gundam) manual is a running joke throughout the whole UC franchise. It also denotes the difference b/w the regular Earth Federation mobile suits and the V-project suits (the "extreme" Gundams). However, the Turn A reference is stronger here, because of the flipped V(ictory), the "turn code", and the existence of X (which technically has the crossbone shape as another reference):  Turn A spoilers: That is to say, find as many Gundam references as you could :) It's really amusing thing to do and share. Of course, Gundamfagg was right about the Yazan reference in the previous episode, but the entire scene contains as much references to the Black Tri-star bravado in 0079 (along with their boss), and the team in Double Zeta, which name I forgot, ... so, bring them on! :D |
zellamiDec 5, 2014 1:54 AM
| Even with the latest toys, the Capital Army just can't win, huh. |
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!" |
zellami said: Turn A spoilers and back history. Not a bad episode, hopefully we'll be finding out what's going on with the moon soon. |
zellami said: The mysteries behind Bellri and Raraiya's origin intensify. I remember Cumpa was pondering about the pirate attack and Bellri's existence being "not a coincidence", and the pope muttered that Raraiya was too young for "something" around episodes 1 and 2. "You have been (properly) warned". And Aida. Check who the G-Self reacts to and you can extrapolate. Luin is a pitiful Char clone. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
Imateria said: zellami said: Turn A spoilers and back history. Not a bad episode, hopefully we'll be finding out what's going on with the moon soon. Wow, 10000 years? I don't mind the correction or anything, but could you point out some source and would you like to write a timeline from Victory to Turn A (with Reguild) and anything you find important to be known? For the record, the cross-references I adhere most are the anime series themselves. I am afraid I am not familiar with many of the other media releases; to cup it, some of them I had to read backwards (latest translated releases first, and so on) -_-; |
| ^ Oh, thanks. First time me hearing this. To be honest, I don't remember such a revelation in the series. It looks like an extended speculation to me. Mostly because the point of "humanity repeating the same mistake over and over again" was pretty well supported by the images from different UC Gundams. Questions: |
@Zellami, you asked about my sources, most of it comes from the Turn X Gundam's entry on the Gundam Wiki and the series itself. The Timeline is a little difficult to work out but from what I can tell the UC came to an end some time after Victory, I suspect not that long after (and I'm ignore G-Saviour, which isn't generally considered cannon), and G-Reco takes place 1000 years after that (the first ep said the date was something like 1014 Reguild Century). Sometime after that the Turn X shows up and the Turn A gets built, there's a war and game over (no concrete dates here unfortunately). Turn A takes place a long way into the future, I've said 10 000 years because I'm pretty certain that was mentioned towards the end of the series in the reveal of the Dark History episode, but it might "only" have been 3000 years, either way it wasn't overly specific on the time but Turn A takes place in CC2243 so it's going to be some time after. The thing to remember is there's not a lot of information, if any, on what comes after Victory as Tomino never went back to it other than the Crossbone Gundam manga's, and they were to fill the gap between F91 and Victory, so part of the point of G-Reco is to fill that gap between Victory and Turn A |
afistofjustice said: zellami said: ^ Oh, thanks. First time me hearing this. To be honest, I don't remember such a revelation in the series. It looks like an extended speculation to me. Sorry, but I rewatched episode 43 and I do find it was a speculation. Indeed, there are a couple of images of X and Wing, but the most part of the exposition is strictly from the UC era, which Harry and Diana also confirm. It clearly groups existing at the time alternative Gundams in the major storyline, nothing more. Even if the alts weren't there, the story would be just the same - "somehow" the humanity would come to create Turn A and screw it up big this time around. |
| Agrippa messed his brain up during the cryo sleep, brainwashing him with images of different Gundams from the DH, such that he would herald " A GUNDAM!!" with a cry every time he sees one and hump even a box toy (because Tomino hated Bandai during Victory)? * JOKE, JOKE* :D |
| Anyone know how the show is doing in Japan? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Gundamfagg said: Furthermore, Mobile Suits like Mack Knifes, Elf Bullocks, Elf Bull closely resembles the 'Flat' from Turn A Gundam. Technology in G-Reco are much more superior than X and Wing if u would. So its a dillusion or dilemma. Black History has yet to be justified. The Dark History is everything from UC to whenever the Turn releases it's Moonlit Butterfly and destroys all technology on Earth. From what we've seen I'd say the G-Self is one of the most advanced mobile suits we've seen in any Gundam continuity, really only behind the Turn A and X, but Earth developed suits like the Caitsith, Wuxia, Mack Knife, Grimoire etc definitely aren't more advanced than the Wing Gundam or Double X, though it's not easy to compare. |
Marzan said: Anyone know how the show is doing in Japan? Almost incalculably better than it is in the West, but then again they don't seem to have a raging hate on for it at that I'm aware of. It's consistently been one of the better performing shows and is even doing above average for it's time slot which normally doesn't get any measurable ratings at all really. It's also started airing during the day as well which frankly is where it actually belongs so that'll probably help it's exposure and ratings even more. |
Gundamfagg said: Imateria said: The Elf Bull and Elf Bullocks plus Mack Knifes are cutting edge suits and these suits largely resembles 'Flat' from Turn A, those 'Flat' MS are capable of hovering (Flying) in mid air just like those high end Capital Suits, They are capable of accelerating in high speeds and possessed Kira Yamato's Beam Spam (Metaphoric). The Wuxia's verniers are capable of high altitude jump and hover mid air, most suits in G-Reco are capable of hovering and they are actually pretty fast. They are all engineered with photon batteries (power plants). To say that those suits aren't advanced than the wing and double is a minus point. Seriously. If this show proves that Rose of Hermes blueprint (Technology) is something versatile, than Double X and Wing is out...The Dark History is everything from UC to whenever the Turn releases it's Moonlit Butterfly and destroys all technology on Earth. From what we've seen I'd say the G-Self is one of the most advanced mobile suits we've seen in any Gundam continuity, really only behind the Turn A and X, but Earth developed suits like the Caitsith, Wuxia, Mack Knife, Grimoire etc definitely aren't more advanced than the Wing Gundam or Double X, though it's not easy to compare. The Earth has had a self imposed technology "taboo" on it for god knows how long, the Elf Bullocks and Mack Knife might be cutting edge for the Capitol Army but are technologically inferior to the G-Self, which really is cutting edge as it's from the moon which never had such a taboo placed on it's development. Besides the battery technology, which is of Luna and not Earth origin and I kind of question how much more advanced they are compared to an ultra compact minovsky fusion reactor, I've seen nothing to suggest that the Capitol or Amerian Army mobile suits are more advanced than say the F91, Crossbone or V2 Gundams. I think I'll keep the comparisons to UC suits, as I've said before I consider the Dark History's attempt to link all the AU series with UC and CC was more of an asspull than anything else so I conveniently ignore it as it doesn't change anything. Regarding your later post, I've said it before, I reckon the three of them are Newtypes and that's why they can operate the G-Self. |
| [quote=Gundamfagg][quote=Imateria][quote=Gundamfagg] Imateria said: Gundamfagg said: I don't think they are just newtypes, but spacenoids. Maybe G-Self recognizes them as people from space??? Because G-Self came from space, the owners of this toy must be from space rite??Regarding your later post, I've said it before, I reckon the three of them are Newtypes and that's why they can operate the G-Self. I hope not, that's rather vague and people from space are still Human so how would the G-Self be able to tell them apart since the only difference is birth place unless they're Newtypes. |
Gundamfagg said: Imateria said: I hope not, that's rather vague and people from space are still Human so how would the G-Self be able to tell them apart since the only difference is birth place unless they're Newtypes. To be honest, there is no such thing as newtypes in the era of reguild century. Newtype is a revelation in UC era, yet still a mystery. But have u have to realize the system 'Rayhunton Code' recognizes Aida, Raraiya and Bellri. This also means that the people from space might have designed it for their own kind so that no one else could pilot the G-Self. If G-Self is manufactured solely for newtypes, and those spacenoids that build the G-Self are from Towasanga , then u are telling me that those people from that mysterious colony are all living newtypes? So basically those people on earth are worshipping new types as their saviour lolol nice theory u have. Btw, there has been no trace of newtypes at all in this era, all we know is that there is this bunch of Godly people from space providing salvation for mankind by offering photon batteries so that the world could recover from disasters and therefore taboos had been implemented. Now every activity on earth is operated by the mercy of those spacenoids known as godly people, that's why the threat is real. You're making a lot of assumptions based on not enough information and batshit logic. What do you think the people living on the moon are, an alien species? How is a piece of tech supposed to tell the difference between two people who are both human when the only difference it's looking for is where they were born? I still say the simplest answer is that it scans their DNA looking for the gene that makes them Newtypes. Yes, there's little evidence of Newtypes here (as there was for most of the original MSG) but Earth is 1000 years removed from the Zeon conflicts and has been cut of with only minimal contact with space thanks to the taboo. Since the main point of Newtype Theory is people evolving to cope with the vast distances of living in space then people living on Earth largely cut off from space wont be affected by this. And at no point did I say the entire population of the moon was Newtypes, that's your theory not mine, but that doesnt mean there aren't any and that they are treated as ace pilots same as in the UC era.Also, your assertion that there aren't any Newtypes because it was a UC thing doesn't hold any wait, Newtypism is meant to be evolution, which couldn't care less about the change in the human calendar. Frankly this is all just speculation since the show hasn't remotely shown us anything of the people living in space beyond the mentally damaged Raraiya and the G-Self (and maybe G-Arcane) so both our theories could be blown out of the water, but I maintain that mine fits the currently known facts of the series and the established history better. |
| Some interesting information there. The Newtype's going extinct is annoying but I guess it helps with a clean brake for the new series. I still doen't buy it being them just from the moon. |
| average episode again, i thought that babara girl is gonna die though |
| Remains positive my judgment on the TV series, I am pleased also to see the most active secondary characters in the narrative, but it remains an enigma to follow the story, too messed up the plot. Drawings good although there is no use of CG in robots, I like! |
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| Amazing episode!! Fights are getting better and better! Woah didn't realize there were tons of Turn A Gundam references(kinda expected from Tomino-san himself). I haven't watched that series yet, but since the BD's are coming out maybe i should try them once all of them are complete ^^ So stupid of Mask to get outside of his cockpit and try to hijack G-self in a middle of a fight. You have no back up so who the hell was gonna hold Kerbes? And lol did anyone saw the reference when G-self used his after image against Barara.? G Reconguista is getting better and better! Can't wait for the next episodes! |
| I seriously don't understand what the fuck is going on in this show. |
| Hmmm the flow of the story is starting to get confusing again...also last few eps have been rather average :/ |
| fairly decent episode for once, the past few episodes have been better than the sloppy start but its still nothing particularly good, I hate to see these well animated mech battles go to waste like they are cause i can only care for a fight if i care for the story and characters around them, and with this show i couldnt give less of a shit about both, still improvement is improvment nonetheless no matter how marginal the difference may be and ill just be glad the pacing doesnt feel like a adhd kid downing fun dip anymore |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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