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Fai said: ShikiAshGrave said: o_o im surprised but then again not really rape since she stop resisting soon after we all know saki likes haruto anyway Get out and rethink what you just said. fucking hell. keeenu060 said: i think clearly this is proper analysis dont u forgot a few episodes back saki kissed haru? dude u the one who need a chill pillStill waiting for the Purple Valvrave pilot. My thoughts were that its going to be Akira, but considering purple will most likely be active by episode 12, it would be kinda out of character and convenient how she would free herself from Otaku mode and jump on Purple in the span of 2 episodes, especially since Episode 11 will most likely revolve around Haruto and Saki. |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
Fai said: Shouko gets killed. Otaku mode is deactivated via berserk. I like that theory. |
Fai said: Shouko gets killed. Otaku mode is deactivated via berserk. Her brother is more likely to die. |
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| Should change the series title to Valvrape. Well, beside that part everything else is just meh. |
JeffxBrian said: its not a rape saki kissed haru few episodes back we all know she got a thing for himEveryone here..seems to have skipped this. "I see, this is a curse." Saki was raped and I feel bad for her. She might have liked Haruto but not to the point of giving herself to him. Just because she accepted the curse doesn't mean it was not rape. It started off as rape and she got scared and accepted it which still means rape. This might hinder her and Haruto's relationship. She may fear him or have problems afterwards. She might even stop liking him. I don't like Shoko x Haruto. They are both too alike. She's only trying to cheer up everyone instead of moping around. She's a good leader. Instead of talking about solutions, she's bringing everyone's spirits up. This means people will be more willing and happy to work. The solutions don't have to come from the ambassador. There can be a treasurer and other positions for people like that. A figurehead is just that. She's a leader and makes good decisions. A festival is what everyone needs. I would prefer L-elf x Shoko because they're opposites and L-elf couldn't predict Shoko's announcement. Saki is opposite of Haruto and more willing to shoot someone. She gets what she wants. Haruto is a pansy and needs someone like that and not happy go lucky Shoko. I prefer them being friends since they are so alike. |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
el_putazo said: skudoops said: Lol yes.BTW did anyone else laugh when Haruto and Saki were talking then shoko appears with marie and suddenly 20 people appear out of no where, like they were just waiting for to pounce? lol skudoops said: I was just about to type that, if she was "raped" she wouldn't just be there just chillin.JeffxBrian said: el_putazo said: That's mah boy, get some... Saki giving in just like that...wasn't expecting that. Anyway things got really interesting imo, can't wait for next week's episode. She didn't give in. She was overpowered. She exhibited being raped by being emotionless and calling it a curse. Doesn't mean she gave in. She just lost. Why are you guys saying she got raped? If looked like Haruto got raped TBH, dude woke up with his clothes torn to shreds and curled in a ball and she's just there with her jacket in hand checking the interwebs. You have no idea what you are talking about. Just step back. And if you are interpeting a nearly-catatonic girl as "chilling" then there's something REALLY wrong with you. JeffxBrian said: el_putazo said: That's mah boy, get some... Saki giving in just like that...wasn't expecting that. Anyway things got really interesting imo, can't wait for next week's episode. She didn't give in. She was overpowered. She exhibited being raped by being emotionless and calling it a curse. Doesn't mean she gave in. She just lost. What's more importantly, EVEN if she WERE to give in -it would STILL be rape, since she was STILL forcefully coerced into sex against her will (although in this case its double rape with VVV-tan raping them both, but still) bastek66 said: Fai said: Shouko gets killed. Otaku mode is deactivated via berserk. Her brother is more likely to die. TO be frank. |
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yesy92 said: Me too!!!!I hope she's pregnant. I wanna see a space vampire baby. |
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| LMAO. THIS ANIME. HOLY FUARK. 10/10. srs. semi-srs. 8/10 for the lulz. |
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JeffxBrian said: So..it's okay to rape a girl because she kissed you a week ago? lol..that was not sex. A kiss doesn't mean "lets have sex now" THIS. THE ONLY thing that means "let's have sex now" is... "let's get sex now". - If she does,not want to , but stops struggling its still rape. - If she "gives in" its still rape. - If she showed signs of affection towards perpetrator before, ITS STILL RAPE. - If she wanted to but then did not, ITS STILL RAPE. - If she was unconscious, ITS STILL RAPE. - If she was blackmailed into it, ITS STILL RAPE. Its frightening and horrifying and disgusting that so many people are unable to get that :/ Remember, kids, only yes, means yes. |
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Fai said: TO be frank. Good line of reasoning. I was wondering how the time skip would be explained and that is a pretty good guess. |
| I think there is a very good chance Haruto will fall for Saki. I mean, he will feel responsible for what happened and then they might spend more time together and he will realize he has feelings for her. Shoko might attempt to confess but I can see her getting rejected and then it will most probably be the end of Haruto x Shoko. Since the beginning, I didn't think this relationship will happen as the two times that Haruto tried to confess got blown away for one reason or another. I just took it as a sign that it might not happen. Saki is the type of character that usually gets the guy at the end. Saying all this, I still prefer Shoko for Haruto even if it is not likely to happen anymore. Honestly, I don't care for romance in this series and I guess I'd be happier if Haruto doesn't end up with anyone. However, that might prove a bit difficult if Saki got pregnant. I also noticed something while Haruto was "doing it" with Saki. Their fingers were intertwined, so I saw this as more than just mere "rape". Is it possible that there are some unleashed feelings somewhere? I like that this show is unpredictable, so I expect much more surprises in store for us. |
| It was a double rape. Haruto and Saki are both equally victims here. Saki was obviously struggling at first, and just because she kissed him earlier doesn't make it okay at all. And Haruto was possessed by a robot. But after this I wouldn't like it if they ended up together. To many bad implications there, I guess. |
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| What Shouko said about having the festival made sense, but at the same time that's not really a reason for people to vote for her...I mean the student council president at least has some plan, and she could be one of his advisers or something instead of being the prime minister. Well I guess it's because she has charisma and is pretty influential because she's sincere. The adviser thing could also go the other way, with Shouko as the prime minister and the student council president being one of her advisers. But still...I also didn't really feel anything for her during the scene when she and Haruto were talking about her father being possibility dead :/ And wow that was unexpected...like exremely unexpected. I guess it's something like having his inner desires manifest? o_o that curse of his. But lol it did seem like he was the one who got raped in the end there when he woke up. |
tingyJun 13, 2013 7:36 PM
JeffxBrian said: ShikiAshGrave said: ok now u forget this is anime anime rules number 1 heroes get all the girls and judging from her reaction after she have serene aura now girls after being raped don act chill like thatFai said: ShikiAshGrave said: o_o im surprised but then again not really rape since she stop resisting soon after we all know saki likes haruto anyway Get out and rethink what you just said. fucking hell. keeenu060 said: i think clearly this is proper analysis dont u forgot a few episodes back saki kissed haru? dude u the one who need a chill pillStill waiting for the Purple Valvrave pilot. My thoughts were that its going to be Akira, but considering purple will most likely be active by episode 12, it would be kinda out of character and convenient how she would free herself from Otaku mode and jump on Purple in the span of 2 episodes, especially since Episode 11 will most likely revolve around Haruto and Saki. So..it's okay to rape a girl because she kissed you a week ago? lol..that was not sex. A kiss doesn't mean "lets have sex now" |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
HatsumiShinogu said: I also noticed something while Haruto was "doing it" with Saki. Their fingers were intertwined, so I saw this as more than just mere "rape". Is it possible that there are some unleashed feelings somewhere? Feelings being there or not being there does not define rape. Rape has a very clear definition(dictionaries put it as "the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse" and in court it does not matter on HOW the intercourse went on, the important thing is beginning and the lack of consent during the beginning of it) and its still rape. |
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| That last scene where Haruto was just lying on the ground with his clothes torn off...He looks more of the victim rather than the rapist. IMO. Anyway, I'm still holding out for Shoko/Haruto. I don't think that Haruto would be able to "love" Saki knowing that he raped her and all that. He might stay with her to "hold responsibility" for the act but I don't think that he would be able to love her. Gotta admire Shoko though. That girl is strong, man! And she doesn't even need a Valvrave to stand her own ground or validate her existence! I think that Shoko is an important to remind Haruto of his humanity. Even though he's a vampire-rapist-mecha-pilot now (-_-) |
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| now personal opinion the one who says OMG its rape! is the one putting saki down as some floozie saki likes haru and she agreed approve of it its making love not rape |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
HatsumiShinogu said: I also noticed something while Haruto was "doing it" with Saki. Their fingers were intertwined, so I saw this as more than just mere "rape". Is it possible that there are some unleashed feelings somewhere? yeah, but it's more of like Saki unleashing her feelings? She was the one who was intertwining their fingers together, right? because Haruto was taken over by the Valvrave instincts? But yeah, still rape. |
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AlexTheRiot said: ShikiAshGrave said: inb4 "Chill?!" shitstormgirls after being raped don act chill like that page too late :P |
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| This was a really creepy episode. Shoko probably shouldn't be prime minister, but it doesn't give the impression that everything is going to be okay in the end. Juxtaposing her cheerful speech and victory with ... that ... makes it obvious something is very wrong and most of the school is oblivious to it. In other words, it's not "YAY! SHOKO GOT ELECTED" but "oh shit, Shoko got elected and doesn't have a plan". |
| 誰も、未来を信じない |
| Can't believe we are having this big of a discussion on if she was raped or not. She was raped, she realized it was because of the robots and resigned herself to it. That's it. |
| what a YOLO epsiode, you only live once so do sex and do everything you want while your still young lol |
| Rape or no rape I want to know why Haruto's "hunger" changed from biting to sex. I also want to know if the other pilots are going through the same thing or if it's only Haruto. If they are all going through it then we could be seeing a typical "Vampire family takes care of town only to harvest the people for food". |
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DeathfireD said: Rape or no rape I want to know why Haruto's "hunger" changed from biting to sex. I also want to know if the other pilots are going through the same thing or if it's only Haruto. If they are all going through it then we could be seeing a typical "Vampire family takes care of town only to harvest the people for food". Pay close attention to what VVV-tan is saying in the screens this episode. |
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JeffxBrian said: rape is considered rape if the woman or the male don agree to it but this at first she was surprised but once she sees haru beloved face and agony she accepting him so its not really rape kinda rough yea but not rapeum..are you not paying attention to the anime? She knows he didn't do it on purpose or his own will. She didn't act chill. TO me she looked out of it. She was raped and if you watch closely. It looks like she gave up instead of getting into it. |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:52 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
DeathfireD said: Rape or no rape I want to know why Haruto's "hunger" changed from biting to sex. I also want to know if the other pilots are going through the same thing or if it's only Haruto. If they are all going through it then we could be seeing a typical "Vampire family takes care of town only to harvest the people for food". well, only Haruto is shown to exhibit the "hunger" so I'm guessing it's exclusive to the VVV1 unit. Along with Valvrave-tan and the Harakiri special move. Valvrave-tan is always saying stuff about "hunger" and sexual innuendos so...I'm still trying to work out why the blood sucking instinct turned into extreme lust.... |
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| Hmm just finished watching the ep.... Rape is always a tricky subject in entertainment, there's a fine line you're walking and sadly in this case it came off for me as tasteless for the purpose shock value to boost sales of the show. When used in the right context, the topic can be interesting character development or a plot device to propel the story forward in an enthralling way. This was not the case for Valvrave and I can see this easily offending people but I can stomach things well so I'll continue on |
HybridMBLJun 13, 2013 8:19 PM
JeffxBrian said: Yeah, also remember she was abused by her dad and she's a celebrity, so I'm sure she knows how to mask her emotions from the public very well. In my opinion, that "serene aura" is all pretend. She's not showing Haruto anything during that scene. But I guess until the next episode verifies whether or not it was rape this discussion will continue.. .__. Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:50 AM
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| Wtf did I just watch.......... Shoko would make a terrible leader. She'd be better off as vice president or something, leaving the really big decisions up to someone who won't start tap dancing and singing at signs of trouble. |
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squidsquid said: Haruto was obviously trying to have sex with L-Elf last episode. ...it was only a matter of time. |
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JeffxBrian said: Parasol-Lady said: HatsumiShinogu said: I also noticed something while Haruto was "doing it" with Saki. Their fingers were intertwined, so I saw this as more than just mere "rape". Is it possible that there are some unleashed feelings somewhere? yeah, but it's more of like Saki unleashing her feelings? She was the one who was intertwining their fingers together, right? because Haruto was taken over by the Valvrave instincts? But yeah, still rape. She gave up. Listen/read to what she said. Also she would be smiling at the end. She always smiles when she gets what she wants. This time she wasn't smiling. If she enjoyed it. She'd be smiling and taking pictures to spite Shoko. well, could we possibly consider that she wasn't smiling in the end because she has realized that she would never be able to compete with Shoko for AHruto's affection in the same level again? I mean she knows how "soft" Haruto can be, like I said, he could stay beside her to "hold responsibility" but he would forever be looking at her as "the person the monster-me raped". |
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