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Jun 24, 2012 5:08 AM

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I know this is all fictional, but bringing something up that's very close to history of Yugoslavia and giving it a twist seems very controversial
AO growing so fast as a soldier and pilot in just 10 episodes can be questioned as well

The action scenes were great though
Jun 24, 2012 11:17 AM

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I'm still watching this because of Noah the Sloth. LOL
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Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy.
Jun 24, 2012 1:33 PM
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Finally a bit of background on some of the characters (Ivica and Rebecka). Let's hope the series gives some more of these so we can get a better grip on the story (which is a bit confusing so far IMO).
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Jun 24, 2012 10:56 PM

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ugh well im glad im not the only Eureka 7 fan that dislikes AO ,ugh what were they thinking,it has gotten alil better i supose i had it 2/10 in the begening
Jun 25, 2012 12:59 AM

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I was a huge fan of Eureka Seven. It was unique and well paced. Unfortunately this show is anything but that. I've been watching it patiently, hoping it will break away from it's formulaic episode structure, but my faith has not been rewarded. Every episode they introduce a new secret, develop a character, elaborate on the political situation and drop some hints about the scub. For some reason they insist on following the same template for every episode lately. I swear this is exactly like House, if anyone has seen that show.

I hope they will get away from this episode formula and start to really hammer away at the plot. At least toss us a bone, an appearance by Renton or Eureka. I'd even take that crazy white dog cat thing that Dominique and Anemone took care of.
Jun 25, 2012 1:49 AM
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I finally get what's wrong with AO. In the original series we got a lot of background and personality clashes linked with adult characters . So all the childish nonesense form Renton was just one of the streams. It didn't irritate me. In this show it tends to be prevailing. I'm really glad that this episode showed some interesting flashbacks but it's way too little. The conflicts touched so far are mostly so uninteresting that the show seems to be a waste of time. Still it has great quality and some promising characters, but the're not being developed properly. It makes me sad :(
Jun 25, 2012 9:48 AM
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I have to agree with the assessment made by those suggesting the political commentary serves a role in the series more so in the way current situations in the political sense within nations where secrets are appearing are usually hindering Gen Bleu's efforts to operate effectively and complete their missions. While I won't go into the specifics for post length, I will say that each secret that appears more or less confirms my belief that secrets themselves are somehow replaying events that occurred in psalms of planets with the new secrets resembling the antibody coralians and how they attacked humans. The statement made by Truth suggesting secrets are not what we think they are gives more reason for me to believe this as well as his statement that human sacrifice will reveal the truth in secrets from the episode.
In the next episode, it appears that either secrets or Truth himself will manipulate team Goldilocks into doing something but as of now I can only wonder what that is. If secrets possessed them then I can only think of them taking out the scub by themselves and their comrades from Gen Bleu will find themselves in a tricky situation as to how they can stop them. I am also interested in finding out how the battle between Truth and Ao will play out. Perhaps Truth will reveal some more information as to what is going on with either the setting or his motives for taking Naru. At this point Naru could be either Talho's or Anemone's daughter given that Anemone was special in that she had a natural connection with the coralians which might be expressed in her condition much like Naru's. This of course applies only if the events from the dream were true.
Jun 25, 2012 1:14 PM

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I have to agree with the assessment made by those suggesting the political commentary serves a role in the series more so in the way current situations in the political sense within nations where secrets are appearing are usually hindering Gen Bleu's efforts to operate effectively and complete their missions. While I won't go into the specifics for post length, I will say that each secret that appears more or less confirms my belief that secrets themselves are somehow replaying events that occurred in psalms of planets with the new secrets resembling the antibody coralians and how they attacked humans. The statement made by Truth suggesting secrets are not what we think they are gives more reason for me to believe this as well as his statement that human sacrifice will reveal the truth in secrets from the episode.
In the next episode, it appears that either secrets or Truth himself will manipulate team Goldilocks into doing something but as of now I can only wonder what that is. If secrets possessed them then I can only think of them taking out the scub by themselves and their comrades from Gen Bleu will find themselves in a tricky situation as to how they can stop them. I am also interested in finding out how the battle between Truth and Ao will play out. Perhaps Truth will reveal some more information as to what is going on with either the setting or his motives for taking Naru. At this point Naru could be either Talho's or Anemone's daughter given that Anemone was special in that she had a natural connection with the coralians which might be expressed in her condition much like Naru's. This of course applies only if the events from the dream were true.


Interesting point you got there with Naru's connection with the previous cast. I do hope things go smoother as to explaining what is going, because right now it's just an Evangelion spin off with each episode a battle with an Ang--Secret...
Jun 28, 2012 4:43 PM
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So Renton doesn't appear in the series at all? I don't see him on the list. Eureka does though apparently. Aren't Eureka and Renton supposed to be Ao's parents or something? In that case Renton failed to protect Eureka again and she got taken by "unknown individuals" while he got shot in the face?


dude facepalm

renton being in the char list would be a HUGE spoiler... they arent crazy to give info like that away
Jul 4, 2012 3:03 PM
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This was a god-awful episode imo. Terrible beyond belief. I was SO close to shutting it off and dropping the series on the spot at several occasions. Here I will list everything that I think sucked and the few things that didn't suck about the episode.


1: The United States military can't beat a secret and needs to rely on a third party organization that employs only child pilots? No. This is ridiculous and would never make the cut in a million years if I was had a say in it. I was skeptical in the case of the Japanese military and than the "Allied Forces" or whatever they're called but I was willing to pass it off as them not being a premier world military power.

And the excuse? "Oh, they're not used to fighting Secrets! They approached carelessly!". That's a line of total BS right there; you KNOW that every single military power in the world has been recording these fights and having their pilots study them and prepare for the threat.

Also there is absolutely no reason why only children can pilot IFOs. This is obviously an excuse for having the series' main character allowed to join an organization with other child pilots which, in reality, would never exist.

2: Noah derping around in the background every other scene has been old for a while now and is starting to get annoying.

3: Generation Blue (Bleu?) is owned by a company based in the United States, but the United States doesn't know how to fight Secrets.

4: "Our relationship is that of a mentor to a protégée... we were partners." Get your story straight, bro.

5: That guy is in politics, but he's willing to reveal career-killing secrets in casual conversation? "Hey bro, did I tell you the story about how my lie killed off an entire country?"

6: The whole "Pied Piper" name would have been best left untouched. If the viewer is curious they can look it up themselves. I don't need the show to point it out to me and guide me along by the hand as it reveals every bit of possible meaning behind everything. Could have just stopped at "The Chief named it."

7: The United States military is still using helicopters and M4s, but even common Japanese/Okinawan citizens have super advanced trappar hovercrafts and flying cars?

8: When AO sees Truth, I was kind of hoping he would play it cool and maybe learn from his mistakes. Nope; he charges straight in without a single neuron in his brain firing. I wish Truth would just blow him up already and be done with it.

9: It never did explain why the city of Phoenix was suddenly missing when Ao woke up.

10: As soon as the fighting starts Ao comes out swinging with the stereotypical mental collapse. Complete with distortion shots of his face that look so retarded I almost cried. Thank God he snapped out of that pretty quickly because every time I saw that 'scared' face I just wanted someone to punch him in it.

11: Why the hell is Ao walking so close to the windows? I guess he wants to be killed?

12: When the Secrets shot people, they just evaporated... but the mannequins have holes and missing limbs and pretty much got torn apart. This is an inconsistency and is obviously there either because they wanted to keep the rating down and not show blood/mutilated bodies or because it would be impossible for Ao to notice that the Secrets attacked the mannequins (there would be no damaged mannequin, only ashes that would have been blown away by wind through the holes in the windows.)

13: Why does Ao look scared when he discovers that he might have found a way to escape? It's like they played the wrong facial animation.

14: Ao can't just walk out slowly while in the tent or announce his intentions to anybody. No, he has to charge out of the building yelling like a Norse berserker entering a battlefield, throw the tent and hope that it lands in the right direction and than dive into it, almost getting the Chief killed when he tried to chase after him and ensuring that if anything went wrong in the slightest the world would be rid of his idiocy forever. That was nice of him.

And than he pulls the stereotypical "I don't want to see people die anymore" line and stands up in his stupid-looking flight suit (at least he wasn't wearing that helmet... dear God the helmet...) to charismatically address the crowd and announce that he is part of an elite, respected organization that is here to save everyone. I wouldn't be very reassured, personally.

15: I like Rebecca more now, after that prime example of southern diplomacy. With that blonde guy's creepy body language I'm surprised his condition wasn't sex. The guy looked like a pedo too. I guess it's typical to portray Americans as either evil businessmen, conformist Hollywood-style celebrities or fat idiots so it makes sense.

16: Three kids and the Chief then manage to see through to the Secrets weak point and destroy in a few minutes the thing that the entirety of the US military was helpless against. Ugh. Pretty sure I face-palmed a few times here.

17: The violin music that plays during the victory is the most annoying piece I've ever heard in my entire life. It is literally the same 3 or 4 notes played over and over and over and over and over and over again.

The ending theme has never felt so welcomed before. I'm considering not watching the next episode; maybe I'll go back and re-watch the original E7 again instead. Hell I would probably have enjoyed an episode of Bo-bo-bo more than I enjoyed this.
Jul 4, 2012 5:12 PM

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Holobalobalo2 said:

There's so much of what you said that's either only half-true or flat-out wrong, that it'd be maddening to address every single point. Just read over the whole thread, and it should address many of your "glaring" problems with the episode.

People "disappearing" isn't because of ratings; it's shown Truth capping people right in the head at close range to dispel this possibility. There's also been speculation that these (disintegrated) people may not have in fact actually died at all (Transported? Truth even said: "Secrets aren't what you think they are").

As for Ao, he's a flawed protagonist; being headstrong and compulsive is a part of his character, and one that often gets him in trouble - recklessly putting his life on the line for the sake of others shouldn't be terribly surprising at this point. It only annoys me when he exhibits insubordination and it goes unpunished.

I discussed U.S. military capabilities earlier in the thread, so I'll say only this - they WERE capable of destroying the secret, but it was much more economically viable to have Generation Bleu handle the task.

As for the supermarket "moving" from Phoenix, it was Truth that put them out in the boonies with his abilities.

The Okinawans have common access to these FPs because of the abundance of trapar mines, which the U.S. isn't known to have (it was even mentioned that the U.S. has had a pretty big lack of scub bursts in the past, which are needed to mine from).

And to be fair, the U.S. hasn't been the only nation shown to be mustache-twirling schemers; Japan and even Okinawa hasn't been depicted much better in this regard.

The reason for child pilots are explained next episode.

With all that said, I'll agree that it wasn't the best episode - but you went pretty overboard there.
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Aug 19, 2012 10:30 AM
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Reading this thread I have to wonder if the people who say the cast of AO isn't as likeable as the cast of the original E7 chose to conveniently forget a large chunk of the second cour, where pretty much everyone on the Gekko was a dick to Renton, Eureka was ODing on trapar dust, and Ray and Charles were still background characters.

I also don't see how anyone can say the last few episodes have been boring when there's been more than enough character fleshing and world building, but different strokes for different folks I guess.
Aug 19, 2012 1:52 PM

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Reading this thread I have to wonder if the people who say the cast of AO isn't as likeable as the cast of the original E7 chose to conveniently forget a large chunk of the second cour, where pretty much everyone on the Gekko was a dick to Renton, Eureka was ODing on trapar dust, and Ray and Charles were still background characters.

I also don't see how anyone can say the last few episodes have been boring when there's been more than enough character fleshing and world building, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

While I agree, you do have the benefit of consecutive viewings, whereas most people had to wait a week.

I personally do agree, though.
Aug 25, 2012 3:10 AM

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Okay the character development is good for all...but can I get some plot progression now? Like Truth's plan?
Aug 28, 2012 11:00 AM

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agreed what Ao did was not smart, there are many safer ways to experiment, such as first throw out a mannequin, then throw out a mannequin that is inside a tent

the chief is cool at the end there, however the weakness of that secret is ridiculously big...
Sep 25, 2012 5:21 PM
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this series is all over the place...too bad from every aspect....the ost is the only good thing so far :\ ....this one feels like they just wanted to make a series using hype gained from Eureka seven to make some profit . anyway,
i've to continue it after i came so far in the episodes to see how does it end....
Jan 4, 2013 2:07 AM

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makes me wonder what the fuck was I doing with my life when I was 12...
Aug 21, 2014 3:35 PM

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Some really nice progress, let's see what will happen next though.
Oct 21, 2021 3:09 PM

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The secrets are learning. Identifying humans by shape.

Ao figures out that they can hide in tents are he sees that all the mannequins are destroyed except the one in the tent.

Interesting to learn more about E7 AO's alternate history world. Ivica fought in that world's equivalent of the Yugoslav wars (so things play out similarly in that regard).
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