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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Wow what a train wreck of an episode. This was expected, not worth going into detail.Bee train will be Bee train  They couldn't even get some decent animation talent on this.It's horrible.I wonder why Samura agreed to this, bee train of all studios. |
alarmedJul 14, 2008 2:37 AM
| Well, I'm still waiting for the subs to come out. When you said Bee Train, that got my attention because they did Metabots and .hack// and stuff so i checked out the raw with little understanding of what happened and just looked at the pictures. Well, It's not that bad... |
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| I could make a list of things they did wrong, but I'll spare you. I also want to note I have nothing against Bee Train. I liked two shows they did, at least. I watched the raw, but I understood at least half of what they were saying with my knowledge of moonspeak and the first volume of the manga in front of me as a reference... now, if you'll excuse my language: they not only fucked the series, but they fucked it in the asshole with barely any consent, then wagged their dick around and pissed in the same hole they came in. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE |
I also want to note I have nothing against Bee Train.I liked two shows they did, at least. I'm a .hack and as you may or may not know, they've done all the anime adaptations of the franchise. They've gone from making classics(//sign, and it's spin offs) to average entries(//legend of twilight, //Liminality) and the downright awful(//roots) it's not like I'm set out against anything bee train, I'm just very familiar with the studio and know what they are capable of. They were certainly the very last studio I had in mind when it came to a BoTI adaptation.Indeed they butchered it very badly, this probably won't be as bad to people that have yet to read the original classic, but that's about it. that aside.. ShiChelle said: I watched the raw, but I understood at least half of what they were saying with my knowledge of moonspeak and the first volume of the manga in front of me as a reference... now, if you'll excuse my language: they not only fucked the series, but they fucked it in the asshole with barely any consent, then wagged their dick around and pissed in the same hole they came in. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE  pretty much. |
alarmedJul 14, 2008 6:45 AM
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| One word: GORE GALORE! Other than that heavy ecchi stuff for sure but good action and story. Good art too! |
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helgarr said: Anyone know if any subbers picked up the series yet? I can't find anything. :( We all have a saying: patience rewards. try this too: h**p://fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_FALL_2008 |
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| While the animation is less disappointing then I was expecting for Bee Train, Manji is more than a huge mess. They completely changed his personality and that's one thing I loved the most about him. Since when is Manji all cool and relaxed, cold even? No way. He's an arrogant smart ass, always smirking at everything, not to mention incredibly funny. I don't see this whatsoever in the anime so far and THAT is very disappointing (the priest scene was totally butchered and the humor was taken out). I just can't believe Manji joined the drama queen emo samurai bandwagon, that's so ridiculously not him. Not to mention, what's with the empty eye socket? Ew, Manji still has his bad eye ¬_¬ They did change a few scenes around from the manga too. Do I even need to mention how not fitting the seiyuu voicing him is? But well I guess it's not like I was actually expecting it to be good so.........And what exactly are they planning to accomplish in 13 episodes? That's a laugh. |
ShinJul 15, 2008 10:00 AM
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| Whaaat? They mess up from the first chapter onwards!? Is this going to be another Planetes for me then? >_< 13 episodes!? Whaaat? *sighs* This is what I get for letting people around here make me give this anime a chance. Will still have to watch it myself though, but the comments in this thread have been...sad. :( |
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angel999 said: One word: GORE GALORE! Other than that heavy ecchi stuff for sure but good action and story. Good art too! You think this is gore galore? you haven't read the manga have you? This is *nothing* in terms of gore(everything else too!) |
| Not the greatest start, but again what are 13 episodes going to do? What's with Hyakurin and Kagimura appearing in the first episode? Just follow the manga. |
angel999 said: helgarr said: Anyone know if any subbers picked up the series yet? I can't find anything. :( We all have a saying: patience rewards. try this too: h**p://fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_FALL_2008 I think you mean http://fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_SUMMER_2008 , and from that, Live-eviL is planning to do it apparently. Shin said: Manji is more than a huge mess. They completely changed his personality and that's one thing I loved the most about him. Since when is Manji all cool and relaxed, cold even? No way. He's an arrogant smart ass, always smirking at everything, not to mention incredibly funny. I don't see this whatsoever in the anime so far and THAT is very disappointing (the priest scene was totally butchered and the humor was taken out). I just can't believe Manji joined the drama queen emo samurai bandwagon, that's so ridiculously not him. Not to mention, what's with the empty eye socket? Ew, Manji still have his bad eye ¬_¬ Better than I could've said it. I was myself noticing his unfitting seiyuu and how he looked a bit younger than he should have. (I mean, Seki Tomokazu did pretty well in his other roles, but he can't do a rough, older guy like Manji well.) If nothing, the show may attract a couple people to pick up the manga...I hope. :/ |
ShiChelleJul 15, 2008 5:28 AM
| Well, the subs are released. I'm uploading to veoh as we speak, but today, my veoh seems to be like 40x slower than usual. a upload usually takes like a min at most with VeohTV, but now, it's taking an hour or two. I'll have a subbed version up and running in about 20 mins. |
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| Wow this was disappointing. Where was all the bloody killing scenes? They showed like 2 and I don't even think you could consider them that bloody. The show, however, was not as shitty as I was expecting. It's actually watchable which is good. I just hope they don't over do it with original content thats not in the manga. |
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| I was okay with it. It certainly wasn't as good as the manga, but I was prepared for that, and with that in mind I rather enjoyed it. |
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| Makie's fighting scene on the OP was the best part of it. |
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tolkki said: Yeah, that about sums it up That sums up most of the summer releases imo. I don't know why I'm even surprised anymore. |
| Horse poo~ Not even adding this to my list for the time being. If ep2 is as bad as this one then I'm definitely dropping it. |
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| For a person who didnt read the original manga, i liked this episode, of course it has some flaws and the pace seems inconsistent, but while watchin i realised that i felt sorry for Machi, and kinda liked Manji even though he has some changes from the original work... if u consider this anime as an original work, and have no opinion about the manga, its not as bad as horse shit as some of you claimed, but if i had read the manga, i admit that i would most probably be on your side, and i know how it feels when something you adore gets turned into something which even can be called by yourself as a piece of crap... anywaysss, as i said, i liked the first ep and will watch the rest for sure ^^ |
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Goku said: For a person who didnt read the original manga, i liked this episode, of course it has some flaws and the pace seems inconsistent, but while watchin i realised that i felt sorry for Machi, and kinda liked Manji even though he has some changes from the original work... if u consider this anime as an original work, and have no opinion about the manga, its not as bad as horse shit as some of you claimed, but if i had read the manga, i admit that i would most probably be on your side, and i know how it feels when something you adore gets turned into something which even can be called by yourself as a piece of crap... anywaysss, as i said, i liked the first ep and will watch the rest for sure ^^ I have to agree with you but in honesty this show really isn't all that good. Sure, it was expected they where gonna change some things around and also some of the characters personality's. But the animated fight scenes are just pure crap. I wouldn't have cared if they decided not to follow the manga as long as the fight scenes where good. But they're not, there crap. We see darkness and some super fast blade shots and the fight is over :(. The manga has amazing bloody and gruesome fight scenes. If they don't at least follow that trend in future episodes I'll be sad. |
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| I haven't read the manga...but I didn't really care for this. What's here to set it apart from every other samurai-on-a-mission series? Nothing. It's not a compelling story and it's not that nice to look at, either. Average all around. I imagine the manga is better. It could hardly be worse. |
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| Not too sure what to think of the first episode. The BGM was kind of annoying :/. Wasn't the worst anime I have seen. |
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| Just watched the subbed version. Really good subs! Yeah sad story with Machi. So let me get this straight: NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES HE WILL NEVER DIE? What happens if you burn his head or melt his body???? |
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| Even independent from reading the manga, I thought this episode was "just okay". Though, I still plan on checking the manga out eventually. |
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| Sooo... you're saying this was horrible and that the manga is so much better. Convince me! I haven't read it but I think I will, it looks interesting enough. So, of course I don't know about any changes made in the adaptation. (Though I agree that changing the protagonist's personality is pretty bad, if it's really been changed as much as you all make it sound...) What else? (Some of) you said "I could make lists but I'll spare you", but is that true or are you afraid you'll run out of arguments after two items on your list? (Just kidding. Don't let a little teasing get to you.) Just give me two or three things they changed that really matter. Please? This is your chance to promote the manga some more. ^.~ For the record, I liked Manji's voice for an "older" character, it sounded very good IMHO. The opening is also gorgeous, I'll have to watch it again. <3 (Edited to add that I'm also quite fond of the music.) |
LymsleiaJul 16, 2008 8:45 AM
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edit- ^uh, why don't you try the manga out for yourself? is it that hard? read the first chapter or till you're satisfied, and compare it to the Anime, kay? Beetrain in all it's glory.2 frames, loop @ 4x, you're set.BTW I didn't go hunting for quality shots like the one shown above, they appeared numerous times throughout the episode  hard to miss em.Music felt out of place and way too intense in some places(in other words, needlessly loud) Samura's "finishing moves" were a joke, and were all out of order(last fight in particular)The way they handled Machi made her seem like a hyperactive retard(mostly her non-stop giggling, and flying through the flowers?), it was overdone & overplayed.All the fights were dumbed down to typical samurai anime battles.Mediocre animation, lots of stills, and lots of copouts.I don't usually take things like the OP/ED into account when forming opinions about an anime, but this one did not fit at all. Like someone else said, Manji's personality seems significantly different.Of course this is still the first episode, and some things might seem like nitpicking, but this IS coming from a big fan so that's only natural. |
alarmedJul 18, 2008 5:16 PM
SlipperSleaze said: uh, why don't you try the manga out for yourself? is it that hard? Oh I will, don't worry about that. ^^ I'm just sick of all the negativity and people bitching just because something's been done differently (different =/= bad, though I realise that there are cases where it is) without backing it up. *shrugs* But thanks for the rest of your answer, that one at least gives reasons and leaves it to the reader to agree with them or not, instead of just throwing insults around. Explanations = <3 |
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| I thought it was quite nice. Wasn't super but hey its only the first ep. |
| Well, I've only read the first chapter of the manga a while back so I'm not going to get involved with all the bitching about adaptations and whatnot. Watching this however I'll say that it was better than I expected, but still quite disappointing. The soundtrack was annoying as hell, the art and animation were passable if nothing else, and the voice acting just seemed off for whatever reason. Not to mention if this is only going to be 13 episodes I doubt any real story is going to develop in the anime version. Another swing and a miss for Bee Train. Dropped. |
tolkki said: Yeah, that about sums it up Perfect! Absolutely perfect! |
| Well I just watched the first Episode and frankly I am rather unimpressed. I wan't expecting much as it isn't the type of anime I like already. |
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| well.........i liked the slashing and dicing. haha its not nearly as bad as it seems. not the greatest but oh well. |
| I just saw this a little while ago, and I'm not familiar with story of the Manga, other then hearing mostly good things about it, the episode felt horribly jumbled. Someone mentioned the score as well, which was borderline terrible. I assume we'll get more direction in the story over the course of the series but this is, well... Bee Train, so somehow I have a bad feeling I'll be dropping this one too. |
| Hahaha. I loved tolkki's reply. The song selection was not terrible and some scenes were cool, but the low quality of the background music and the overuse of shadows and darkness made the show seem like it was made 10 years ago. Just not impressed. Even the story did not do it for me, but maybe it was just poorly presented. I really should read the manga. |
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| I didn't think that was nearly as bad as everyone's saying it was, but the first episode was a little... bland? Cliché? Just generally not captivating? I think this anime has a lot of potential, but if the first episode is an indicator, it's not likely to be very memorable. I'll definitely want to try the manga. An optimistic 7/10 for now. |
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| The best part of the first episode was the OP. I expected much more from Blade of the Immortal. |
| As yet another who didn't jump on the manga at the first announcement that this was going to be adapted as an anime (but before it aired), I have to say.. I was expecting a lot better just from the few previews I saw before this aired. I'm somewhat disappointed. Aside from the episode itself.. I'm afraid I can't bear to archive the AEN release. It's just.. Well... Refer to the spoiler a few posts up (with the pic). |
Hawaiian420 said: Think I will go read the manga Smart Move. |
| Well, I liked it, but I haven't read the manga, so I can't compare it to that. I found it enjoyable at least, but I'm actually gonna hold off on a rating for this till I see another episode. |
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| Not familiar with the manga before, but I kinda thought it was boring. I won't judge it just yet since its only the first episode, though. |
SlipperSleaze said: angel999 said: One word: GORE GALORE! Other than that heavy ecchi stuff for sure but good action and story. Good art too! You think this is gore galore? you haven't read the manga have you? This is *nothing* in terms of gore(everything else too!) Well no I actually have seen worst but I am sensible so to me already this is over the brim but the mange is probably overflowing the brim if you know what I mean. Be aware also that manga tend to be more freedom oriented than animes usually are and trust me I saw many things in mangas that make anime much more softer except the 18 stuff. I would agree with you that the manga is bloodier but remember about the limit line of manga and anime. |
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| They did kinda change Manji's personality for the worse(or not enough development, bad dialogue etc), and they also seemed to change his regen power. I never knew that it pushed out the weapon by itself? lol Wtf is that? That's going to change quite abit of the fights i would imagine, and would make it alot less badass. My expectations are even lower after seeing the first episode. They are going to butcher the rest of the good scenes too seeing how they did Manji's sisters death/fight scene. The style is horrible in comparison. |
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| Wow ok, I was expecting this to be a little better ... Interesting premise and all, but I just feel like it was delivered in a horrible way. There was too much jumping around and it was done imo, awkwardly. It felt like too many things happened too fast. I also kind of disliked how dark all the scenes were. The bgm was also inappropriately used at parts too and kind of disrupted the mood for me.. Is the studio really this bad or ...? I don't know what to say. I feel like the story and everything has great potential but the delivery was just horrible. |
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