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Damn, I wonder how many people like Ayashu over InoShu......

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Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM

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so close yet so far.

Really wishing for a rebellion army like thing with shu providing everyone with there own void.

Jan 22, 2012 4:24 PM

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Sorry but what part about Ayase is retarded?

Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

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Jan 22, 2012 5:55 PM

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dropped

u drop it now when are only 9 eps left lol ok xD

I once dropped a show with around two ep's left. :o

Aw you beat me. I dropped Death Note with 5 episodes left. xD

Jan 22, 2012 6:17 PM

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GodlyKyon said:
Sorry but what part about Ayase is retarded?

Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

Huh... Well I kind of agree, but she COULD do stuff by herself before this episode, it's just that she is in a huge depression. It's understandable

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Jan 22, 2012 6:36 PM

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I'm kinda hoping this turns into a slice of life. Next episode shu just goes "Oh well, can't do anything about that wall" and decides to stop fighting. Everyone agrees with him of course. Daryl leaves GHQ to become the butt of every joke.

Best troll ever by an anime? Making us think it's Code Geass when it's really Clannad.

The wall could be the best thing to happen to those people. No more random GHQ massacres, they would essentially be able to run their own town and set up a form of government that treats citizens fairly. In ten years after the quarantine is over, assuming they weren't infected, GHQ lets them go because there is no logical reason to keep them there.

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Jan 22, 2012 8:06 PM

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I thought it was odd that Ayase seemed to be the only one fazed by Gai's death.

Jan 22, 2012 8:28 PM

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Vallaw said:
Best troll ever by an anime? Making us think it's Code Geass when it's really Clannad.

Don't you dare

lower Clannad to the level of this abomination. That's an unforgivable sin.

There are plenty of bad slices of life out there; pick one of those to compare it to instead. (Maybe School Days.) Not something good.

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Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM

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DraconisMarch said:
Don't you dare

lower Clannad to the level of this abomination. That's an unforgivable sin.

There are plenty of bad slices of life out there; pick one of those to compare it to instead. (Maybe School Days.) Not something good.

Maybe Kanon? :P
*kicked for adding more trolling*

Jan 22, 2012 9:03 PM

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I think this anime is the prime example of two things:

1) Production values and talent not coming together in the way they should.

2) Biggest Love/Hate Fanbase for any single anime.

I thought Gundam SEED Destiny had the biggest love/HATE Fanbase ever?

GodlyKyon said:
Damn, I wonder how many people like Ayashu over InoShu......

I don't mind either one.

I think Ayase is a stronger character, and this was her development episode. Inori's is still developing, which should be normal for a lead, in 10 she was starting to show a more blatant development in herself.

Jan 22, 2012 10:16 PM

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Love the new OP. Shu looks very manly in it, lol. XD
4/5 and 8/10 for now.

Noticed that myself lol.

Loved the episode, I have no clue why but I'm getting an odd HOTD vibe, must be the survival and Highschool setting for the episode o.O

8/10

Jan 22, 2012 10:50 PM

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DraconisMarch said:

GodlyKyon said:
Sorry but what part about Ayase is retarded?

Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

Probably past trauma. What do you know of her past or psychology 101 that may effect her.

I think some shit happened in the past and she is like that. I do think Shu did change her a little. Remains to see that.

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Ayase is officially retarded. Come at me, Ayase fans. (At least ship Ayashu is afloat.)

COMING! She is not retarded just has mental complication being not too much revealed in the scope of what is revealed. It may allude her to being retarded but it's your mind playing around with you. In fact loads of shit was mind fuck in this series. DNA/GENETIC MARRIAGE anyone? Right.

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Jan 22, 2012 11:38 PM

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School festival out of friggin' nowhere!
And Shu and Ayase back to back after the fight was so incredibly, incredibly cheesy. Still in an enjoyable way, though.

Jan 23, 2012 3:36 AM

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Ayase is a bit annoying with her attitude of being inferiority among others..

Jan 23, 2012 3:55 AM

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DraconisMarch said:

GodlyKyon said:
Sorry but what part about Ayase is retarded?

Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

Probably past trauma. What do you know of her past or psychology 101 that may effect her.

It's retarded she wouldn't even let people help her up before this happened.

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DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded. Come at me, Ayase fans. (At least ship Ayashu is afloat.)

Well, we all know they clearly have no idea how to characterize people, so we'll probably never know. But if we do find out, it'll probably be something retarded.

Also, nothing in this series is a mind fuck. Mind fucks are way too cool for this series. Incest is just fucking gross--not a mind fuck.

How many times can I use the word "fuck" in a single line.

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Jan 23, 2012 4:32 AM

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DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

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Jan 23, 2012 4:51 AM

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People with disability are almost somewhat more prideful in their work compare to those normal one.So, she will get really frustrated when she lose her only mecha.She is just emo, not retard >.>"

Jan 23, 2012 5:51 AM

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Karhu said:

DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

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Jan 23, 2012 6:05 AM

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DraconisMarch said:

Yumekichi11 said:

DraconisMarch said:

GodlyKyon said:
Sorry but what part about Ayase is retarded?

Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

Probably past trauma. What do you know of her past or psychology 101 that may effect her.

It's retarded she wouldn't even let people help her up before this happened.

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DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded. Come at me, Ayase fans. (At least ship Ayashu is afloat.)

Yeah it will be probably retarded or cliche.

Guess the show is more mindtard than mindfuck?

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Jan 23, 2012 6:10 AM

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I don't like the new OP, Dearest is so much better but I do love the new ED.
And I love Ayase <3 best character in GC for sure.

Jan 23, 2012 8:45 AM

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DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

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Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

Hoo, Can we just agree:

Ayase, best female part of GC. Segai, best Antagonist/male of the series.

I love them both more then 99% of the cast.

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Jan 23, 2012 9:03 AM

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I don't like Ayase because she would always flop her breasts and moan whenever she got hurt while she was piloting her Enclave. Same reason why I don't like Tsugumi. I don't mind a little fan service but with these two it feels a bit forced and somewhat unneccesary- and especially so when they choose to insert it during an intense battle (it completely kills the atmosphere/mood *serious facepalm) So IMO Inori > Ayase by simply not doing anything at all and saying "shu..." all day.

Really hoping that after this filler episode the anime will really pick itself up. If I drop this I won't have much to watch during the week.

Jan 23, 2012 9:23 AM

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GodlyKyon said:
Hoo, Can we just agree:

Ayase, best female part of GC. Segai, best Antagonist/male of the series.

I love them both more then 99% of the cast.

Yep sounds good. /thread.

KingOfNoodles said:
I don't like Ayase because she would always flop her breasts and moan whenever she got hurt while she was piloting her Enclave. Same reason why I don't like Tsugumi. I don't mind a little fan service but with these two it feels a bit forced and somewhat unneccesary- and especially so when they choose to insert it during an intense battle (it completely kills the atmosphere/mood *serious facepalm) So IMO Inori > Ayase by simply not doing anything at all and saying "shu..." all day.

Wait. You think Inori's case of fanservicitis is less severe than Ayase's? Inori: The girl who exists for nothing BUT that purpose?

-.-'

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Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM

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DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

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Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

Ayase was considerably cooler before this episode happened. I remember getting all excited last week when I saw that the preview made it look like this would be an Ayase-centric episode and we'd get some more character development for the coolest character in the show.

Oh how wrong I was.

Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM

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DraconisMarch said:
Her retarded refuse-help-from-anyone-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-want-to-be-taken-away-from-the-fight-even-though-I-can't-do-shit don't-talk-to-me-angst-fail-should-take-lessons-from-Shoe act.

She's obviously stubborn but i think she has alot of dignity.

looked at the preview, the boys that tried to do stuff to her have come again with a bigger group -_-, i hope the plot picks up in the next few episode, hopefully it doesn't repeat the first part of the show.

Jan 23, 2012 8:20 PM

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Inori > Ayase because Ayase has more fanservice... Wut? Inori's is more forced then both of them, and she exist for only that purpose. Shoe please become a King or something so you can have a harem end like the other mega ultra pussy yuuki rito

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Jan 24, 2012 1:15 AM

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DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

- Call Ayase retarded
- Pose Segai as the best character

Surely you jest.

Jan 24, 2012 2:39 AM

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-Quasar said:

DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

- Call Ayase retarded
- Pose Segai as the best character

Surely you jest.

He's only 3/4 wrong. Segai is the second best character

Jan 24, 2012 3:35 AM

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He's only 3/4 wrong. Segai is the second best character

I would see where are you guys are coming from if he acts more like a villain than a clown.

It would have been fitting if he died together with Dan. They're both comic relief antagonists.

Jan 24, 2012 4:39 AM

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-Quasar said:

DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

- Call Ayase retarded
- Pose Segai as the best character

Surely you jest.

- Obviously didn't read my reasons why. If you still think she isn't retarded... LOL.

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Anzekay said:
He's only 3/4 wrong. Segai is the second best character

I would see where are you guys are coming from if he acts more like a villain than a clown.

It would have been fitting if he died together with Dan. They're both comic relief antagonists.

He's hilarious. And he spins. And he's crazy. And he spins. CLEARLY he's the best.

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Jan 24, 2012 5:37 AM

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- Obviously didn't read my reasons why. If you still think she isn't retarded... LOL.

Unfortunately, I did even though most of the time I don't take "herp-derp-herp-derp-herp" reasons seriously. While I think her "I don't want help from anyone" is annoying. I considered it might have to do something with her traumatic past experience that teach her that not to rely on anyone especially because when they were helping her out of pity.

Is it retarded? Then you clearly don't know what retardation means.

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He's hilarious. And he spins. And he's crazy. And he spins. CLEARLY he's the best.

...and I rest my case contemplating the words "why did I even bother?".

Jan 24, 2012 6:03 AM

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I've got really mixed feelings about this. Its definetly better than the fist half, but there's so much wasted potential....
Everyone except Ayase seemed to have forgotten Gai. Ayase's depression was rushed, and the end when he gets "legs" was just bad :S
It also seems like Daryl will become a good guy in the end... cliche...

At least Quality is still amazing. New OP looked great IMO.

Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM

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-Quasar said:

Anzekay said:
He's only 3/4 wrong. Segai is the second best character

I would see where are you guys are coming from if he acts more like a villain than a clown.

It would have been fitting if he died together with Dan. They're both comic relief antagonists.

Because he's unusual, out of place for most of the characterization in GC, and he's enigmatic enough to be interesting without having to be really stupidly complicated like most of the rest of the mysterious stuff in this show.

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DraconisMarch said:

-Quasar said:

DraconisMarch said:

Karhu said:

DraconisMarch said:
Ayase is officially retarded.

Still the best part of Guilty Crown.

She at least has a consistent, existent personality, but I pose that Segai is the best character. The best part of the series is the music to me. Second best is all the lolz at the epic failure.

- Call Ayase retarded
- Pose Segai as the best character

Surely you jest.

- Obviously didn't read my reasons why. If you still think she isn't retarded... LOL.

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Anzekay said:
He's only 3/4 wrong. Segai is the second best character

I would see where are you guys are coming from if he acts more like a villain than a clown.

It would have been fitting if he died together with Dan. They're both comic relief antagonists.

He's hilarious. And he spins. And he's crazy. And he spins. CLEARLY he's the best.

Still gonna have to say he's the second best, sorry.

Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM

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Anzekay said:
Still gonna have to say he's the second best, sorry.

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Unfortunately, I did even though most of the time I don't take "herp-derp-herp-derp-herp" reasons seriously. While I think her "I don't want help from anyone" is annoying. I considered it might have to do something with her traumatic past experience that teach her that not to rely on anyone especially because when they were helping her out of pity.

I guess some people are just more tolerant of people doing stupid shit than others. I'm yet to see Segai act retarded.

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Is it retarded? Then you clearly don't know what retardation means.

Uh... yeah. I do.

Dictionary.com said:
Slang: Disparaging .
a. a mentally retarded person.

b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.

Also "mentally impaired." Ayase is more mentally impaired than she is physically.

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Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM

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You're a silly

Jan 24, 2012 10:05 AM

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The best character is that Mugi guy ripoff.

Fuck, I would like to have those eyebrows.

I hope next episode won't be another random festival...?

Jan 24, 2012 1:22 PM

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I've explained that if you actually watched each episodes with the Voids in them, you'll notice that the Voids aren't deus ex because they're not unexplainable and random events that saves the MC and everyone else. Anyone who watches the show closely can say "Yes, that Void makes sense in the context of what I saw this episode."

So? That's only 1 type of an Deus Ex Machina.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina

This is what Deus Ex Machina Guilty Crown uses with the Voids.

Illogical placement and timing Deus Ex Machina — When something is established and explained in the work, but its use in that situation is jarring and impossible to believe.

Guilty Crown uses lot of Dei Ex Machina, that is a fact. If you still disagree, then you have failed to understand what Deus Ex Machina means. But if you read that article and have better reading comprehension skills than a baboon, then you will agree with me and everyone else in this thread, that Voids are Dei Ex Machina.

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Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM

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The best character is that Mugi guy ripoff.

Fuck, I would like to have those eyebrows.

I hope next episode won't be another random festival...?

i wonder if his eyebrows are edible

Jan 24, 2012 4:36 PM

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DraconisMarch said:
I guess some people are just more tolerant of people doing stupid shit than others. I'm yet to see Segai act retarded.

It's not like he does some good things either. He's just a so so character.

Anzekay said:
Because he's unusual, out of place for most of the characterization in GC, and he's enigmatic enough to be interesting without having to be really stupidly complicated like most of the rest of the mysterious stuff in this show.

Out of place is just right. He looks like he just accidentally end up as character in GC and forced to perform the villain role right after performing as a clown on a circus somewhere. Enigmatic? I actually find his character as shallow as the rest of the cast. Where I couldn't take his attempts to plot against the protagonist seriously. He's just a poor excuse as a villain because GC badly needed one. But I digress, this matter is subjective.

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-Quasar said:
Is it retarded? Then you clearly don't know what retardation means.

Uh... yeah. I do.

Dictionary.com said:
Slang: Disparaging .
a. a mentally retarded person.

b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.

Also "mentally impaired." Ayase is more mentally impaired than she is physically.

Great, now how is "I don't need help. I can stand on my own" spells out as being retarded or mental impaired? Tell me. I'm not following your logic here.

Also there are two more instances where this subject is touched. First one where she felt insulted on their first meeting with Shu, and the second one where she accidentally bumped Shu, felt out of the chair and "politely" declined Shu's help. In this case, she was pissed because she's still depressed about Gai and the two guys who are helping are assholes who were picking and hitting on her.

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