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Wow.....I kinda spoiled it for myself that it was Braun when I thought of Knox's 1st (culprit always is present from the beginning of the story) since he was the only character that hadn't had any thing revealed about him...but I was still a little surprised. Okabe finally realizes what the first d-mail he sent was...
I'm pretty sure I've figured out how Makise died...and if I'm right then its possible she won't be dead when they revert the D-mails...though if ALL events reverted to the very start of the show then she probably would be.
I haven't forgotten. Coming full circle in that sense was always the way this series was going to end. It's the only way a series like this CAN end. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll end on the original world line.
WOW...all I can say is I have offically been super mindf**ked. I think this episode is the biggest one for the moment. Lets just hope the producers dont f**k it up and make the ending totally blow. Btw as much as I love Mayurii, I much rather have Christina.
PS: is the VN aviable in english and for PSP? If so is it possible to find an iso of it online? I really wanna get it now XD
The cat's out of the bag and confirms my fear that Kurisu must die in order to save the world..DAMN! I don't want that! she is one of the few tsundere that I actually like D:
*Which is pretty obvious when you watch the ending and you see Kurisu trapped in the flow of time instead of Mayuri*
And with this episode my hate for Moeka ended...also Mister Brawn = FB!?!? didn't see that one coming at all.
Blackbird said: If it's a novell then it show a lot of details since it doesn't show anything about Nao about her time travelling.
kaimax said: A Large chunk of the story got omitted, but honestly the part that was cut just complicated the whole situtation and it will need more episodes which we can't have.
so if anyone's wondering
WALL OF SPOILER for the omitted scenes. Read on your own violation.
I bolded the omitted parts
After confirming with Daru that the locker Moeka mentioned was in use, Okarin returns the phone to Moeka and invites her along to for a chance to find out who FB really is. She hesitates and doesn’t follow.
The next day, Okarin goes alone to the locker and he spends the whole day keeping watch but no one arrives to open the locker. Okarin decides to try and break the locker open. The police is alerted and he time leaps back. The next day, Moeka joins him bringing some food with her and the next day someone finally appears. He didn’t seem to be FB. They follow him onto the train but lose track of the man he passes the case to. After another time leap they finally manage to get back on track. Surprisingly, Braun from the old TV shop was arrives to give them a lift. Okarin time leaps again and goes to rent a car ready to trail Braun and the Rounders. Moeka was a “paper driver” which meant she hasn’t driven for a very long time but she manages to somehow… They end up arriving at Suzuha’s home where the IBN5100 is moved inside.
They watch the house waiting for any more movement. There was none. Night soon descended and the men who attacked the lab arrives. They take the IBN5100 and learn they were heading to France with it where SERN’s HQ was. Okarin calls Kurisu to tell her to keep watch from outside. She was to call for help if neither he or Moeka comes back out. They enter the house and Braun greets them. He collects the Divergence Meter yet again but sits down. The displayed value had increased which confirms undoing the D-Mails was working.
Moeka stays silent until Okarin reveals they knew he was working for SERN. Braun takes out a gun, his smile faded. He admits to be “FB” and was only using Moeka to find the IBN5100. She was no use any more. Okarin was angry. Angry that the very person that Suzuha had gone back in time and ended up looking after was the person to steal the IBN5100 she retrieved. As if in answer, Braun smiled and pointed the gun to himself. He’s sorry for Suzuha and pulls the trigger. After picking up “FB” Braun’s phone, Okarin tried looking for Nae but was glad she wasn’t there to witness the whole event.
Together they leave the scene quickly back to Moeka’s apartment, ready to send the D-Mail they need. However, just as Kurisu mentions she saw a little girl running out the back of the house after the gunshot, Braun’s little daughter Nae appears in the room and greets them hello. She suddenly takes out a gun and shoots Moeka, laughing eerily. She tells Okarin to wait in fear because he will be next in the future and runs out the apartment. Both Kurisu and Okarin were shocked. That did not sound like a little girl talking.
With the D-Mail on standby, Moeka apologises for what she’s done and passes out. Kurisu remains calm, urging Okarin to send the D-Mail but he doesn’t. He wanted to know the truth and who Nae really was. He time leaps back to before they arrive at Suzuha’s house and waits outside together with Kurisu while Moeka goes in alone this time. He instructs Kurisu to go in and pick up FB’s phone after hearing a gunshot while he goes after Nae.
Unprepared, little Nae brandishes a knife and lunges at Okarin’s shoulder. She reveals she was Brauns daughter who had time leaped over 2700 times to return 15 years from the future for revenge. But she couldn’t kill Okarin yet because otherwise she would never be able to travel back in time to kill Moeka like she just did. Either way, she joins Rounders and is the one that ends up capturing Okarin in the future, torturing him about his resistance group and letting him die a slow death. With that she runs off just as Kurisu catches up. Okarin takes the phone from Kurisu and sends the D-Mail.
After the timeline shift, Okarin finds himself standing in the streets and immediately heads to Moeka’s apartment to see if the D-Mail worked. She confirms she was no longer looking for the IBN5100. As he made his way back to the lab, he grimaced remembering what happened in the other timeline – Nae bent on revenge and Braun committing suicide to stop Moeka working for the Rounders.
Finally the IBN5100 was back in the Mirai Gadgets Lab. Okarin cries out happily, ready to have Daru erase traces of their D-Mail from SERN’s surveillance logs and shift the timeline for good so that Mayuri is finally saved. Unfortunately, Daru was away at the ComiMa so Okarin time leaps to the moment Daru is still around.
Daru sets up all the commands ready and gives Okarin the privilege to hit the enter key. However, just as he was about to execute the commands, he realizes he had forgotten something important… If he stops himself sending that D-Mail about Kurisu’ death, they will end up in a timeline where she will be murdered.
Dang. Nice additional information. Wished they included it but oh well. Would have loved to see
a psycho loli.
JAPF said: Remember what the first episode is called folks?
Masterpiece XD Damn, wish he manages to save Kurisu though.
Hey, something beats me... if in the original world line they could save Kurisu by Okabe letting Daru know about her death with its D-mail, can't they possibly create other logical D-Mails to save Mayuri to move on to other worldlines which is not either alpha or beta they're in? I know Mayuri's death was certain, so she died in whatever circumstances Okabe D-mailed, but I feel strange that Kurisu was saved by that very first D-mail while they can't save Mayuri whatever Okabe does. I guess the most logical way is to find and send other coherent D-mails in order to save Mayuri and fight the SERNs back.
Btw, have Mister Braun and Moeka been saved by that D-mail or are they at the same situation as Mayuri? Man, I really should get this VN thing asap
Oh god i rewatched episode 1 and so much stuff sticks out like:
I think Dr. Nakabachi is REALLY gonna be important, along with Mayuri’s metal Upa. When Okabe went to check the cause of the explosion above, that person waving to him definitely looks like Suzuha. The scream that Okabe and Mayuri heard, definitely sounded like Okabe himself, how the hell does that happen?
I think he’ll find a way to save both of them, but at a devastating cost, though there is a possibility of just letting Kurisu die and Mayuri live, but this is Steins;Gate aka if you think it'll happen one way, it'll actually happen five different ways.
So we've got Kurisu's death on one end of the divergence line, and Mayuri's on the other. I'm sure there's gotta be a way to save both, but how? Diverging the timeline all the way to C? Would that be 2+%, and how would they get it that far? What if in C, it's Daru that dies? Go to 3, 4, 15%?!? Time travel seems to be full of slippery slopes, and most of them seem to have hellfire at the bottom.
So FB could stand for both Father Braun and Future Braun ... since Nae was possessed by the spirit of her future self. Did Mr Braun know his daughter was possessed? He talks about how he was just a puppet all along, which makes me wonder if Nae is both the carrot and the stick for him ... the thing he wants to protect, and through the possessions by her future self, the punishment should he go astray. I doubt she was the mastermind, though I could see those twisted bastards at SERN setting her up as his direct supervisor to keep an eye on him.
That would explain why he seems to feel no regret for leaving Nae all alone with his suicide... she's pretty much lost to him by this point, regardless.
So, everything will go back to the way it was. No matter what Okabe tries, someone close to him will die although he and Kurisu weren't exactly close in the first episode.
wow they omitted that? that sucks, i hope they somehow fit it in the next episode
They won't, trying to forcefully insert that in the next chapter is just "pushing it".
and if you think bit, the "omitted scenes" doesn't really affect the main story at all. It just complicated things and just trivial knowledge since they never made any kind of closure with that "sub-plot" in the VN.
Basically it's a sub-plot, and the anime didn't need it. Another reason to play the VN
Jesus! You failed BIG time, Hanada Jukki! Are you out of ur mind!? This is one of the darkest scenes in Steins;Gate! Tho it doesn't necessarily effect the main plot, it has done a great job in character development:
- The sins and suffering of Okabe. People have been suffering because of his foolishness. In his quest to save Mayuri, he has brought unbearable pain and misfortunes on others. He even couldn't blame Nae, the murderous monster that is his creation. It's all his fault.
- How far one can go if he/she is to be consumed by hatred. Nae blamed Okabe and Moeka for not able to save his father from commiting suicide. She joined SERN and tortured Okabe to death in 2025, and timeleaped freaking THOUSANDS of times back to 2010 just for killing Moeka. As Nae knew that Okabe is fated to die in 2025, she has to wait for 15 years for another chance to kill him, then repeats it all over again. What kind of determination is that!? Tennouji Nae, you're the ultimate killing machine. She has been reduced to a mere loli in the anime. GJ Hanada Jukki!
- The tragic relationship between Yuugo, Nae and Moeka. WTH Yuugo shot Moeka in the anime. In the VN, Yuugo thought that as he's the one in charge, SERN won't bother with his daugther and underlings like Moeka if he kills himself. He commits suicide to save both Nae and Moeka. Unbeknown to him, this made Nae into a monster and killed Moeka. Not only he couldn't save Moeka from her inevitable death, he has pushed his daughter into a living hell of hatred for eternity.
I'm honestly really hoping the anime explores the Nae route now. There aren't too many episodes though. The VN has a lot of endings, and I'm guessing they're going to choose the one that's the least "out of left field" if you know what I mean.
I really have no idea how heavily SERN is directly involved in the plot of the VN, but we're still three episodes away from the penultimate chapter. I think there's still time to establish the Nae option. After all, Moeka is alive now, and we have no idea what's going to happen to Mr. Braun in this world line. I'm thinking Mr. Braun killed Moeka in the previous world line to protect her from suffering at the hands of Nae.
ArrancarNelTu said: Oh god i rewatched episode 1 and so much stuff sticks out like:
I think Dr. Nakabachi is REALLY gonna be important, along with Mayuri’s metal Upa. When Okabe went to check the cause of the explosion above, that person waving to him definitely looks like Suzuha. The scream that Okabe and Mayuri heard, definitely sounded like Okabe himself, how the hell does that happen?
I think he’ll find a way to save both of them, but at a devastating cost, though there is a possibility of just letting Kurisu die and Mayuri live, but this is Steins;Gate aka if you think it'll happen one way, it'll actually happen five different ways.
Just rewatched the first episode. There are some "weird" things.
- During the discussion between Okabe and the Professor, Makise came in and took Okabe out. But he hasnt met her before.
- The "earthquake" was the time machine landing on the roof, you can also see Suzuha with a baseballcap.
- The sceams which Mayuri and Okabe are hearing is definitively Okabe, maybe in a fight with Makise. Just like with Moeka.
I still can't buy Mr. Braun being FB all along with only a name as a clue and a character that's close to the main that has no importance besides being a landlord. Guess he's a perfect spy XDD And who came up with the name "Mr. Braun"? Was it Okarin? Mr. Braun used that alias given from him, first time yo XDD No one actually likes Okarin's naming sense except Mr. Braun.
Now Okarin FINALLY realizes that, I wonder how long it would take since we still have 4 episodes left O.O That's a lot of time just to go back so I'll expect many twists :D
I think Mayushi is still hiding something and will end up being the sacrifice anyway. It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light (futuristic time travel?) and younger Okarin's decision to stop her from leaving. There are still dark plot twists buried in there.... maybe she'll go back to the future or something. *cue theme music*
arrozykamehameha said: does anyone here know what Kurisu meant to say with the "did you try to feel me up"?
She was just making a joke because she doesn't really understand/remember what exactly Okabe told her about the original world line. That's what I think.
saka said: It will have something to do with her habit of reaching for the light
even though this episode has some omitted scenes and some alternation, i could enjoy it. FB was not FaceBook. i've forgotten the details of events, but i can tell that okarin must have talked more with moeka in VN. to see omitted events and to enjoy detailed conversations is also the reason to play VN! i think.
When the ending song came up (which always somehow is perfectly transitioned), I had to restrain from smashing my face on my laptop as I thought about how many more days I have to wait...
What a cliffhanger..I wonder how this is all going to end! On another note, this episode was fantastic :D
Off to rewatch the first episode again then.... o-o
arrozykamehameha said: does anyone here know what Kurisu meant to say with the "did you try to feel me up"?
She was just making a joke because she doesn't really understand/remember what exactly Okabe told her about the original world line. That's what I think.
Yes. I know that she was just joking.
But because a matter of language, I don't understand what "feel me up" means.
I mean, in what sense was that? in the "annoy me" sense (if that exists xD) or the "touch me" one? xD
BTW I knew that Okabe was a "little slow" (to figure out things), but I wasn't expecting the same slowness from Kurisu xd
Yes. I know that she was just joking.
But because a matter of language, I don't understand what "feel me up" means.
I mean, in what sense was that? in the "annoy me" sense (if that exist xD) or the "touch me" one? xD
BTW I knew that Okabe was a "little slow" (to figure out things), but I wasn't expecting the same slowness from Kurisu xd
"Feel me up" in my experience has always meant "touch my breasts".
Remember, Kurisu only knows what Okabe told her, and I'm pretty sure everything he told her is what we saw in Episode 2. Just something about her being stabbed and him touching her. It's understandable that it could've slipped her mind for the most part.
The preview makes the next episode look boring. I guess after a string of seven excellent episodes in a row, there has to be some sort of drop.
I really want to play the VN, but I can't until it is translated.
"Feel me up" in my experience has always meant "touch my breasts".
Remember, Kurisu only knows what Okabe told her, and I'm pretty sure everything he told her is what we saw in Episode 2. Just something about her being stabbed and him touching her. It's understandable that it could've slipped her mind for the most part.
Haha, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Is just that it seemed a little weird to me that Kurisu said that with such a happy mood/humor/face/whatever (with the "shut up pervert!" thing of her xd)
Haha, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Is just that it seemed a little weird to me that Kurisu said that with such a happy mood/humor/face/whatever (with the "shut up pervert!" thing of her xd)
It was just a hypothetical that she suggested, I believe subtly referring to a belief that Okabe is pathetic. If Okabe himself had alluded to something like that, then it would've been a different story, methinks.
bakuramariks said: It's obvious now. Everything will end the way it started!
;_;
No, that can't be! There has to be a world where both Kurisu and Mayushii survive, and where SERN doesn't create a dystopia. There has to. ;_;
ya the beta line he decided to return it to the alpha line but the beta is where he wants to go
The potential worldline where both might live is omega. But there's no guarantee.
There's also no way to be sure that in beta SERN doesn't create a dystopia anyway.
Mayushi may survive there, but that's also still speculation until we see for sure.
Who's to say that she doesn't simply just die a week later in both omega and beta?
It's all speculation until the story fully plays out, and the future is always uncertain. ;)
Saw that final revelation coming. Didn't see FB though. I was too caught up with FB = Facebook to consider the matter seriously.
My analysis on the time travel and predictions. And by Analysis I mean wild and detailed conjecture and too much "reading into" that I spent way too much time typing out for a silly but excellent anime:
I think it's important to realize that the very first time line, which existed before the first D-mail we see sent, is the timeline in which all of the involved events (the creation of a time machine in its various forms, and the events in the future and Suzuha's trip to the past) is both the most widespread timeline and the one that we see actually NEVER see and know very little. I will cause this timeline Prime. Notice that I'm saying that the first TL we see, then one in which Kurisu dies mysteriously, is not Prime. This is, or is close to, Divergence Line Alpha (for ease, I'll just refer to this as Alpha). Prime is the line that is not a divergent. Remembering that when a divergent occurs, the original TL does not end, it continues in parallel with the divergence. So if we consider all the parallel time lines as a kind of tree, then Prime is the trunk of the tree, in the very center, that grows straight vertically never ending.
Now eventually, in Prime, a time machine of significance is created (I'm labeling SERN's past experiments as inconsequential and assuming that none of them causes a divergence line). This probably happens years, or maybe decades later than the events we see, but it happens and Okabe is probably at the center of it (If there is one theme Steins;gate has been repeating, it's that fate isn't easily changed but easily delayed or hastened). Kurisu did not die in this timeline, but she did have a public argument with Okabe, which pretty much means Kurisu won't be working with Okabe. That is, until SERN recruits Kurisu in their time machine research despite being a critic of time travel. I think at this point, Kurisu involves herself with Okabe, maintains secrecy on her SERN connections, eventually sells Okabe out and -- bam -- SERN has a time machine and uses it to create the SERN controlled distopia we keep hearing about. I should note that sometime during this process, we enter the very first divergent lines due to experimentation and are no longer dealing with Prime. Okabe, with his Reading Steiner ability (on which the origins of I will not speculate on), realizes that SERN has caused a significant divergence line, and forms a resistance that eventually leads to physical time travel and sending a person back in time.
At this point we now have a cycle which each new divergence line that ends in another physical time travel attempt, and with each divergence the actual time -span- encapsulating all of these events decreases. The reasons for the decreased time span is twofold:
1) With each physical time travel event, the traveler makes an attempt to find they key events whose outcome will decide the future, and their accuracy improves with each attempt. and,
2) The development of the time machine is accelerated in each divergence line.
Proof of this cycle is actually in the series. You may recall that when we first hear of John Titor, Okabe is looking for information of someone who appeared on the internet years earlier, claimed he was a time traveler, and then disappeared. He quickly finds that those events apparently never happened, but is actually happening at that very moment. This is because what Okabe remembers is from Divergence Line Alpha, in which John Titor (who we actually canNOT assume is Suzuha) appears years earlier. But we are now in a new Divergence Line, caused by the D-mail that somehow prevented Kurisu's death. And in this particular divergence line, we know that Suzuha eventually travels back in time to the present day, to be the John Titor that interacts with Okabe. We can see there is a cycle, and that cycle is reducing itself and is narrowing down on what we might call the event horizon -- the moment whose outcome has the potential of achieving Divergence Line Beta.
I fully intended to re-watch the first episode before continuing with a prediction, cause I'm sure there are important details to consider. But it took way to long to type all that convoluted crap above so I'll watch it later and say this now:
I think a Suzuha from the future comes to kill Kurisu and another Okabe from the future, but possibly not the same future, tries to save Kurisu. This would be why other people have reported hearing Okabe's voice yell before Okabe got there. I just spent maybe 20 minutes trying to reason on how that would happen, but I kept finding glaring holes. And then I typed that sentence and came up with a much better explanation that I'm too tired to ramble about.
But it took way to long to type all that convoluted crap above so I'll watch it later and say this now: I think a Suzuha from the future comes to kill Kurisu and another Okabe from the future, but possibly not the same future, tries to save Kurisu. This would be why other people have reported hearing Okabe's voice yell before Okabe got there..
It wasn't convoluted crap at all until you got to this part. All of what you said was completely sound (although the beginning is actually pretty obvious), and is what I've been thinking also. Your terminology is a bit confusing, but I think you're on track. I too was of the opinion that the 2000 John Titor may not have been Suzuha.
really looking forward to the ending, 4 episodes should be just enough to wrap it up, if paced correctly. If they pull it off, this anime should be used as an example for all other animes on how to correctly adapt from another medium and how to properly pace an anime.