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| Funny how much praise this ep/show is getting, I found the whole hare thing to be extremely stupid. Victorique is cute though and I still have some expectations for coming episodes. |
| So if you put a whole bunch kids from different countries and then let them kill each other and the last ones alive are the the nations that will come out victorious after a 4 year war, interesting predictions, crazy that it was even right. But overall the episode was alright and pretty predictable and i am wondering who the new character is going to be, perhaps a love interest? Who knows just need to wait and see. |
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| I'm really impressed by the series as of now, I'm always up for a Sherlock type anime I love V's pipe. |
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Have to say that the revelations near the end of episode were completely drama teary incredibly not only about the Lee/Julie short reunion but about Victorique. She is literally a unwanted child and I am glad I consider her as my waifu. She is cute in the following pic after all but I am jealous of Kujo, I wanted to be him at the moment of that pic, Victorique according to this and that is a product of the love of a Mistress and her rich owner, which is a Duke. Moreover her mother is being seen as a threat by the government. That adds problem for being the child of such a woman and thus why Grevil restricts her movements so the governmental dogs don't hurt her. Victorique, I for one sympathize with her for her familial situation. Also interesting were the usage of real historical footage. In fact it's a plus. As for the rest of episode, So IMO in all this in general. Disgusting! Humans using children as means of predictions because the prediction requires human sacrifices? Fuck that! Seriously screw it! Religion and its desecration is clearly shown. People even do this shit to become richer, all this Satanic BS IRL. Read too much shit about it to know all this reflects IRL situation similar to this. I would represent Lee and Julie anytime in court to save them. After being used in game where you could have gotten killed and only get money as a compensation for surviving, makes it OK? Hell no! revenge was sweet and just ladies and gentleman. No one would settle around that is sane in their mind and does not drug/drink themselves to forget. Revenge was the only way for Lee and Julie considering Lee got shot. For a young kid, that is never forgettable less you do drugs or drink. Well it looks like next episode will have a very cute and lovely student called Avril. I already like her beauty point. Best episode! Full of emotions, struggle and drama. This is the shit that makes entertainment. |
| That was a pretty action-packed episode in the first half, me likey :3 |
| To those who said Kujo would end up being the typical anime wuss: SUCK IT. So far, he's awesome. And put up a good fight against England. However... there were a few plot holes in this. 1. Why did Kujo throw his brass knuckles away? 2. What the fuck was England trying to do anyway? Had he gone insane? 3. Why did anyway, now or 10 years ago, check the body? Any sane person would have turned him around. |
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DmonHiro said: 1. Why did Kujo throw his brass knuckles away? 2. What the fuck was England trying to do anyway? Had he gone insane? 3. Why did anyway, now or 10 years ago, check the body? Any sane person would have turned him around. -kujo probably thinks Ned is done with -he probably is insane, well he said already that his next role is a murderer so probably he plans to kill all of them at that point, he just needs to surprise them that's why he waited for the stairs where he laid his trap 10 years ago, and most probable reason why he resume his role is because of psychosis, well no reason talking about it cause he's dead, the only thing i'm dying to know is if he recognize Julie that's why he resume his role -in th case of ten years ago, they're children back then, a simple body w/o pulse will scare them and in the case of Kujo, he will, but Victorica stopped him because he knew by that point that Ned is alive |
AmberFebruaryJan 25, 2011 6:26 AM
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dewert said: Me don't get the France American and England part. so was the war's outcome was controlled by the leaders of the countries or did that witch Roxanne predicted it through some magic? i prefer the latter as this show will be messed up if there is magic involve, no longer the pure mystery with logical explanations. It's a prediction. It was made shortly before the Archduke of Austria-Hungary, Franz Ferdinand, was shot. Anyway, where is Lee from? That Arab girl? She's in a weird situation because if she's truly an Arab, then even though she's in a territory of the Ottoman Empire the Arabs fought with the English against the Turks in the Middle East (look up "Lawrence of Arabia" for a famous account of that) |
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| It was a good episode, like the mistery type. New character next episode. |
| Predictable mystery is predictable, but that doesn't mean I saw everything coming. I predicted the woman to be the culprit, but didn't really saw the reason behind it yet. I like the way they explained the mystery by comparing it to the prediction of the outcome of the war. Also the fact that they really tied up the connection between her and the maid, made for a good ending. Also a good thing Kujo isn't a wimp like I thought he would be. He's a man, a manly man! *grrface* Next episode/arc looks promising! =) |
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| This episode was great. I was expecting just a harem with lots of loli's . I didn't even realize it was about detectives until episode 2. Me like! The blonde heaired guy being the criminal caught me off guard! I had thought it was the lady in the red dress. There were fake hints. XD |
| The culprit was obvious from the beginning, but the backstory was interesting, and it was pretty neat when they walked by each other at the police station. Victorica is pretty <3 as well. If they made bubbles come out of her pipe I'd probably die. |
| It was sorta predictable, but it was still a fun episode. Looking forward to the next arc they introduce. |
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| Predictable. Julie was the obvious culprit from the start. Didn't help that the flashbacks in the last episode included a girl who looked like a younger version of her. I did enjoy watching Kujou kick ass, though, and watching the events unfold was entertaining (I honestly did not see Ned going axe crazy on them coming). Also, as others have mentioned before, why would you feel for the radial pulse in the wrist when checking for death? And with your thumb? Feeling for the carotid pulse in the neck with your index and middle finger is best. But that's just me nitpicking. |
Lihn said: victorique is the BEST TSUNDERE EVER!!!!! o.O she's also crafty with that whole "fake-fall-asleep-on-your-shoulder" trick xD. But yea seriously, she's cute, smart, straighforward(cept for tsundere moments). She's a great character! Also, Kujo gets my respect for being a male lead that isn't totally useless or annoying :P we're seeing alot of that this season around |
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| I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? |
Redfoxoffire said: she set traps in ship to kill, right?I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? |
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furuuru said: Redfoxoffire said: she set traps in ship to kill, right?I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? Oh yeah, there were a few of those...but most of them weren't even that. About 5 or 6 died because they tried to escape on the boat and were capsized, which wasn't her fault unless she controls nature. And then the shot on that last old guy and the axe to the back could easily be written off as defensive measures. |
Redfoxoffire said: If you are talking about Julie, she used her money to build a ship like the one she was on when younger and towards Ned to be what he was back when Julie was small.I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? She would at the very least be a murderer, since she most likely was responsible for killing Maurice. Both Julie and Lee are guilty of murder. Make no mistake the politicians are also guilty of that, but even worse since the murdered kids are considered as children. |
Vanisher said: How come all are saying "its too obvious" , when in the last thread there werent so many people talking about the maid from the first episode. Also the way of victorique to know the truth was awesome. Who suspected about the weapon/lighter bag when she took the bag? i didnt. Lol'd at victorique at the end. I saw her reaction to it but I misread it. I thought that it was suddenly heavier. |
Redfoxoffire said: furuuru said: Redfoxoffire said: she set traps in ship to kill, right?I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? Oh yeah, there were a few of those...but most of them weren't even that. About 5 or 6 died because they tried to escape on the boat and were capsized, which wasn't her fault unless she controls nature. But we can assume that, since she re-created the Queen Berry to get revenge, they would have been killed one way or another eventually. Vanisher said: How come all are saying "its too obvious" , when in the last thread there werent so many people talking about the maid from the first episode. Also the way of victorique to know the truth was awesome. Who suspected about the weapon/lighter bag when she took the bag? i didnt. Lol'd at victorique at the end. There are some things that are impossible to guess simply because we, as viewers, cannot experience the situation as Victorique does. For example, the weight of the bag. Obviously, we cannot tell the weight of the bag since we can't hold it in our hands. We can only speculate what Victorique notices about the bag, but because nothing changed about the bag from a visual standpoint, we can assume it is something she felt. However, lots of people in the previous episode's discussion thread guessed the woman in red, Julie, was the culprit behind it all. |
| after rewatching episode 3 almost 3 times (this show is really good, very good) so Maurice doesn't recognize Huey(Ned) and Julie, while Ned knows Maurice but don't recognize Julie, as for Julie she recognizes both that's why she invited them to the Queen Berry, as for why Ned resumes his role, its probably because of what Maurice spouted back in episode 2, about how the children of different nations have murdered each other inside the Queen Berry, even though some of the details are a lie, Ned and Julie knows the truth, and in fear of having even such a small info leak to the outside world, Ned decided to kill everyone for the secret about the Queen Berry to remain hidden and he tried to start by doing first the same trick he did 10 years ago so he could kill them offguard but it failed due to Victorica finding out that he's still alive the moment they discovered his fake-death scenario, and he probably heard Victorica's instructions (Run! Hide in the nearest room! and look for weapons!) his killing intent also shows why he haven't shown much interest in killing Julie first because he doesn't recognize her as one of the hares back then and if he did, she would have been killed first. he mainly focused in Victorica because she's shown too much intelligence (episode 2) and she may lead to discovery of the Queen Berry's secrets (w/c she really did). In the deck, he probably couldn't get straight to Victorica cause Kujo is defending her and he doesn't care about Julie that's why he just toss her off. |
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| Some things really got cleared up towards the End Of This Episode Glad i picked this up ^^ |
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AmberFebruary said: after rewatching episode 3 almost 3 times (this show is really good, very good) so Maurice doesn't recognize Huey(Ned) and Julie, while Ned knows Maurice but don't recognize Julie, as for Julie she recognizes both that's why she invited them to the Queen Berry, as for why Ned resumes his role, its probably because of what Maurice spouted back in episode 2, about how the children of different nations have murdered each other inside the Queen Berry, even though some of the details are a lie, Ned and Julie knows the truth, and in fear of having even such a small info leak to the outside world, Ned decided to kill everyone for the secret about the Queen Berry to remain hidden and he tried to start by doing first the same trick he did 10 years ago so he could kill them offguard but it failed due to Victorica finding out that he's still alive the moment they discovered his fake-death scenario, and he probably heard Victorica's instructions (Run! Hide in the nearest room! and look for weapons!) his killing intent also shows why he haven't shown much interest in killing Julie first because he doesn't recognize her as one of the hares back then and if he did, she would have been killed first. he mainly focused in Victorica because she's shown too much intelligence (episode 2) and she may lead to discovery of the Queen Berry's secrets (w/c she really did). In the deck, he probably couldn't get straight to Victorica cause Kujo is defending her and he doesn't care about Julie that's why he just toss her off. It is a wonderful show. I think I'm gonna re-watch the arc again. I just need to decide whether I should catch up on the others show that came out this week first. |
| Hmm well the first half was certainly exciting with the mysteries and everything. Turns out both of them were the culprits, shame, since I quite liked Julie Personally the whole pacing explanation made no sense to me lol XD I mean ... so what if she paces in a small place? Anyways, the thing with Lee was quite nice IMO Easy sympathy points for Victorica ... too bad I don't particularly care about your past :) Wow, what coincidence I'm learning about WW1 this year so I actually knew what they were talking about? Makes me feel awesome lol XD |
EvianBubble said: Hmm well the first half was certainly exciting with the mysteries and everything. Turns out both of them were the culprits, shame, since I quite liked Julie Personally the whole pacing explanation made no sense to me lol XD I mean ... so what if she paces in a small place? well it really didn't have deep meaning, it was simply to point out that she wasn't telling the truth. i know this cause most time in court it isn't about evidencing that the subject have broken the law(it's difficult), but by proving the fact that the subject has no told the whole truth. this is because by proving that the subject has not provided the whole truth any evidence the subject presents may be fault |
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Redfoxoffire said: I probably just missed this somewhere, but, uh...What exactly did she do to be the culprit here? As far as I can tell she didn't actually kill anyone. Did I not pay enough attention? She had the ship built. If there was no ship nobody would have died. She was probably hoping for the same thing to happen to that of 10 years ago. But rather than killing each other they just went suicide. EvianBubble said: Personally the whole pacing explanation made no sense to me lol XD I mean ... so what if she paces in a small place? Victorique is just pointing out that Julie cannot be a daughter of a rich family because that's the sign that she used to live in a confined space. Indicating that she is lying and makes her a suspect. |
| This is the best series at this point in the Winter 2011 season, and that is saying a lot, as it is a packed field with some seriously good, and varied, shows! [RANT] For all the "man, the mystery was so easy" people, yes, you might have figured out that either If the mystery was undecipherable and the culprit was entirely undetectable before the reveal (like some particularly poorly written episodes of "Murder She Wrote") then people would be crying foul because the story didn't give us the clues to solve the mystery ourselves! Mystery is a damned tough genre to write, and this story does it well! [/RANT] Can't wait until tomorrow! :) |
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zensunni said: This is the best series at this point in the Winter 2011 season, and that is saying a lot, as it is a packed field with some seriously good, and varied, shows! [RANT] For all the "man, the mystery was so easy" people, yes, you might have figured out that either If the mystery was undecipherable and the culprit was entirely undetectable before the reveal (like some particularly poorly written episodes of "Murder She Wrote") then people would be crying foul because the story didn't give us the clues to solve the mystery ourselves! Mystery is a damned tough genre to write, and this story does it well! [/RANT] Can't wait until tomorrow! :) Actually, a good mystery will have all the clues put in place but without showing their significance to characters AND the viewer until the end. I've seen it done. It's doable. What makes a mystery worth watching is getting involved and being able to pick up the subtle clues to be able to guess who the culprit is along with the detective. Having Victorique pick up on all the clues while being subjected to obvious flash backs does not make it very involving for the viewer, so it makes it less fun. Besides, even those small clues were happened on by chance. For example, if Kujo had felt for any other pulse besides Ned's radial pulse on his wrist, he would have been found to be alive (there are LOTS of other places to feel pulses on a body, and feeling for the carotid pulse to see if someone is alive is the most reliable). If Julie hadn't dropped her purse, Victorique wouldn't have been able to feel how heavy her purse was. Basically, a good mystery will involve the viewers as much as the characters. GOSICK had a good chance to do it with this arc, but seems to have failed. I'm not saying the show is bad but it certainly can be a lot better. |
Aeterna said: zensunni said: This is the best series at this point in the Winter 2011 season, and that is saying a lot, as it is a packed field with some seriously good, and varied, shows! [RANT] For all the "man, the mystery was so easy" people, yes, you might have figured out that either If the mystery was undecipherable and the culprit was entirely undetectable before the reveal (like some particularly poorly written episodes of "Murder She Wrote") then people would be crying foul because the story didn't give us the clues to solve the mystery ourselves! Mystery is a damned tough genre to write, and this story does it well! [/RANT] Can't wait until tomorrow! :) Actually, a good mystery will have all the clues put in place but without showing their significance to characters AND the viewer until the end. I've seen it done. It's doable. What makes a mystery worth watching is getting involved and being able to pick up the subtle clues to be able to guess who the culprit is along with the detective. Having Victorique pick up on all the clues while being subjected to obvious flash backs does not make it very involving for the viewer, so it makes it less fun. Besides, even those small clues were happened on by chance. For example, if Kujo had felt for any other pulse besides Ned's radial pulse on his wrist, he would have been found to be alive (there are LOTS of other places to feel pulses on a body, and feeling for the carotid pulse to see if someone is alive is the most reliable). If Julie hadn't dropped her purse, Victorique wouldn't have been able to feel how heavy her purse was. Basically, a good mystery will involve the viewers as much as the characters. GOSICK had a good chance to do it with this arc, but seems to have failed. I'm not saying the show is bad but it certainly can be a lot better. maybe they just didn't want to be so hard on the viewrs first arc around? |
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hellsascendant said: maybe they just didn't want to be so hard on the viewrs first arc around? There is also the fact that, being animation, it is expected that the flashbacks that are talked about will be shown in animation, which is where the real reveal was. If they had just talked about it or done it without showing faces, people would be complaining about that. Basically, you can't win, since people will complain all they want. My main point is that, if the mystery were too hard to solve, people will complain about that. If it is too easy, they complain about that. From what I have heard, the director followed the plot of the first light novel pretty closely with this story, which included flashbacks to the past. If he hadn't, people would be complaining about him changing the story. And here I am complaining about how much other people complain about things! LOL! With the mystery genre, you are always going to have some people that are not happy. The mystery is always going to be either too easy for some people or too hard for some people, or both! |
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Dea22 said: why Grevil steals all the glory o.O even Kujo is mad about it :3 Maybe there must be a reason why he don't want news about Victorique to be published to public, don't you think? |
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| Damn, that's tense. I can't believe I really love Victorique's voice; it's beautiful. And, woah, Kujo's face had been completely ruined xD And yeah, the outcome was predictable. The arabian maid was the child that being shot, and that blonde guy; England, being the hunting dog were kind of obvious. It's still nice, though. Lovely <3 |
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HA! I almost can't believe Kujo took down a axe-wielding guy almost twice his size with guts and a pair of iron knuckles! You my friend have MASSIVE IRON BALLZ! I really enjoyed this episode's first half, too. I was yelling at Kujo to go to half-guard when that guy mounted him. I didn't enjoy the second half nearly as much because a lot of that stuff had probably been figured out by most of the audience up until that point. It felt like a little too much explanation. Oh well, good episode nonetheless. |
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| The characters did good but the case was a little uninteresting. We need a more intriguing mystery. |
| GENERIC HAMMERED-IN IRRELEVANT BACKSTORY FOR FORCED SYMPATHY AHOY! |
| It's a shame yuri fans aren't half as overactive as yaoi fans. There would be Julie/Lee art if they had been guys =<. |
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| OK. i'm totally lost and i have tons of questions. maybe someone can answer them regarding this whole incident on the ship. - Who was behind the ship, who invited all those peoples? Those politicians from 10 years ago? Roxane (dead fortune teller)? or the that red clothes girl (culprit)? (i already forgot her name) - As Victoriqa solved the mystery, red clothes girl was culprit and she accepted it, but i don't understand, was she doing this on her own or someone ordered her? - In any case, what was her purpose to invite 11 peoples and then kill them? (she even had pistol) - That actor english guy, who suddenly faked his death, (just like 10 years ago) why he was also there and tried to kill them? was he with that red clothes girl? - If that girl purpose was to kill everyone, like what happened with them 10 years ago then why she killed that english guy and old man? - Who was controlling the ship from beginning. was this ghost ship going by itslef, all along? - Why shipped broke and water get inside it? - When first victoriqa suspected that old man as culprit because he stopped Kujo for touching that ship module, and old man also accepted yes he knew about trap and the same guy was there 10 years ago. so why he was on this ship? - It seems like total three culprits, first old man, who stopped Kujo to touch that module, then english guy who faked his death and tried to kill them and finally the girl who got arrested? was they working together? (which doesn't look like, because girl killed both) - Finally, she said, i was the one who built that queen berry ship with all the money. then she owned that ship? same question for what purpose? o__O lots of question. it seems i totally don't understand this episode. What i liked about this series is Victoriqa, her laugh and her boring moments. totally adorable. |
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| quote Tsuki-Hime - Who was behind the ship, who invited all those peoples? Those politicians from 10 years ago? Roxane (dead fortune teller)? or the that red clothes girl (culprit)? (i already forgot her name) the red clothes girl - As Victoriqa solved the mystery, red clothes girl was culprit and she accepted it, but i don't understand, was she doing this on her own or someone ordered her? she did it on her own - In any case, what was her purpose to invite 11 peoples and then kill them? (she even had pistol) the people invited were all in one way or another complicated with the last incident. - That actor english guy, who suddenly faked his death, (just like 10 years ago) why he was also there and tried to kill them? was he with that red clothes girl? the red clothed girl invited him so she could kill him. - If that girl purpose was to kill everyone, like what happened with them 10 years ago then why she killed that english guy and old man? the english guy was the guy that caused people to start killing each other as well as killing others.the old guy was the person that organized the last event - Who was controlling the ship from beginning. was this ghost ship going by itslef, all along? with money you can make a ship go on autopilot - Why shipped broke and water get inside it? it was designed to. more specifically it wasn't design to go into those waters but it id. - When first victoriqa suspected that old man as culprit because he stopped Kujo for touching that ship module, and old man also accepted yes he knew about trap and the same guy was there 10 years ago. so why he was on this ship? invited by the red girl in order to be killed. - It seems like total three culprits, first old man, who stopped Kujo to touch that module, then english guy who faked his death and tried to kill them and finally the girl who got arrested? was they working together? (which doesn't look like, because girl killed both) technically none where. however the red girl was deemed guilty for her killing aboard the ship. the english guy was and accomplices of the old guy for the incident ten years ago, not this one. - Finally, she said, i was the one who built that queen berry ship with all the money. then she owned that ship? same question for what purpose? she bought ship to let the people who killed innocent orphans for the sake of fortune telling know how it feels to be on a ship toyed like that. |
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hellsascendant said: So those all guys who died in the beginning, first with the knife in head, then others who tried to escape with boat. those all guys were involved in the incident ten years ago and the last invitation was for Roxane (fortune teller) but Kujo and Victoriqa got that and ride on the ship. I think now i understand. so basically red clothes girl wanted revenge with same way. but one more thing. when english guy faked his death again, why she didn't understand (because she knew no one else is on the ship, so its fake death, also she saw him like that before in previous incident) well. maybe she got confused. anyway, thanks for the answers. :) |
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| Victorique-chan is sooo kawaii... props to Kujo for showing some bawls.. and I am also enjoying the fact that there aren't tit everywhere. Glad we have more of Victorique's background. |
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Aeterna said: Besides, even those small clues were happened on by chance. For example, if Kujo had felt for any other pulse besides Ned's radial pulse on his wrist, he would have been found to be alive (there are LOTS of other places to feel pulses on a body, and feeling for the carotid pulse to see if someone is alive is the most reliable). If Julie hadn't dropped her purse, Victorique wouldn't have been able to feel how heavy her purse was. The only flesh that Ned was displaying was his hand. Probably 99% of people, if looking for a pulse, would use either the throat or wrist because the question of what are the top ten parts to get a good pulse reading is rarely asked (and never answered). That's why Ned positioned himself the way he did. |
| Is it just me or are there more people out there that get Umineko vibes while watching this? All those closed room murders, these people stabbed in the forhead... At some point I was actually expecting Victorique to go all "Auuuuuu!!!"... lol XD Anyway, they need to make the mysteries a bit more... well, mysterious. |
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