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Aug 8, 2012 3:27 PM
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No talk about this show? overall liked it nothing too special or bad, would love it if they didnt do at end "love is super even if we dont know what it is"
Sep 2, 2012 4:31 AM
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lakisa said:
No talk about this show? overall liked it nothing too special or bad, would love it if they didnt do at end "love is super even if we dont know what it is"


ahh.. I know wut u mean.. this kind of anime should have a proper ending
I liked the show, was quite curious how would it end2.. but this kind of crap.. makes me feel I wasted my time watching this..
think I'll ignore the last episode and give it 8/10.. for the enjoyment in the previous ep
quite disappointed tho.. atm
Aug 2, 2013 3:00 PM
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Mika said it best in last episode's preview:


4/10
Below average in every way but still good enough to watch.
Oct 13, 2013 10:43 PM
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Well that was a rather weak ending to this mediocre show. So Hiroto fell in love with Mika huh?..surprise, surprise. Oh wait.

At any rate, 4/10 for this show. Weak plot with poorly constructed characters although I admit the OST is decent.
Jan 26, 2018 8:08 PM
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Mediocre at best,Ending kinda meh.It wasn't that bad. 6/10
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Jan 14, 2019 7:00 AM
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A unique experience. As for the ending, I'm not sure what people were expecting. Humans are bound by their DNA the same way, no matter how they're born, the mentality of the characters in the show was learned, which is why even in the beginning a lot of the characters still act typically human despite all of the posturing. I thought the show did a good job of having that 'humaness' shine through instead of neutering the characters as unemotional perfect beings. Especially Mir who does nothing but talk about how perfect she is, obviously has problems right from the beginning. The Captain might be the best example of this. The ending was fine.

Not without its problems, but the computer graphics were pretty good for its time and the show looked good overall.
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Sep 11, 2019 12:35 AM
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hmm, what to say about Geneshaft

It does a lot of things I like, but who lives and who dies seems forced and arbitrary for the sake of creating drama. It does create character development in Beatrice, who was best girl. Beatrice's character development is driven by killing off Mario and Sofia, which wouldn't be a complaint except that these deaths felt forced; eg. Jean shouldn't exist, I don't why Sofia died.

It seems pretty unlikely in a 1:9 m to f society Amigiwa would have a 20th century Japanese family structure with a father, but I guess he was a "special" member of society, unlike Mika.

I can't really fault the character arcs, despite being somewhat underwhelmed with this anime. There's a nice intertwining of Amigiwa and Mika's pasts through the shuttle accident, in which Amigiwa tracks Mika down for the mission to fulfill Ryoko's wish, and he already had some belief in Mika's untapped potential while the accident convinced him he did not have the skills society said he did. I think it's more accurate to say Amigiwa exits the coma less with his own issues resolved than with a stronger faith in Mika as an unknown potential, or miracle, since the foundational myth of perfect DNA has been shattered by his experiences.

The theme of perfect DNA isn't executed as well with Sergei, who remains too much of cipher to understand. Was the Sergei that Mir remembered apparently a duplicate that had been executed before this Sergei existed? I'm also prejudiced against omnicidal maniac villain types, so in this case I din't find much reason for Sergei to come to the conclusion humanity was a bug...he could've come to opposite conclusion just as easily afaik- that the Giants and Oberus were inferior since one is extinct and the other is dumb computer that gets confused by the Bilkis.

The "perfect" Mir was a true idiot the entire anime, a complete egotistical ass, which makes complete sense given who she was and her backstory, so in this case a lack of character growth was the right decision lol.

It's unfortunate that it seemed that some characters received development only before their imminent demise (Remy, Mario). Tiki remained underutilized the entire anime, I don't think she even did any missions. Sofia and Dolce didn't have any character arc. This may have needed more episodes.

The storyline involving the Council of Elders is totally dropped, after we last see them clucking about terrorists while explosions go off. The message about human potential over limits is not uncommon in anime, but I liked it here where it was juxtaposed as part of nature-nurture conversation. Back in the late 1990s and 200s DNA was having a moment as "A Really Big Deal with Implications," but almost 20 years later there is no cyberpunk DNA modding-but the backstory detail concerning climate change is quite terrifying.

I loved the aesthetic, the framing of planets and the sci-fi references. The rings are of course kinda analogous to 2001's monoliths, as is the the spinning space station and the importance of Jupiter and its moons, and similar to 2010, ends with the transformation of a Jovian moon. It's weighed down early on by feeling incomprehensible, with references to unknown bureaucracies and meaningless bureaucratic talk that only makes sense to the people who wrote the damn script! Sadly, a not uncommon fault in SF and mecha anime, but I had to resort to the DVD liner notes!

On a personal note, the fact this society is not really a true matriarchy is a bit disappointing. There isn't any attention paid to exploring gender despite the odd gender setting that produces an army of women. Here, I thought this would be a femdom society, but that's contradicted at several points that suggest more of a cultural feminist view where men have more power in certain areas and not so much in others. For example, Mika takes it as a fact of nature Amigiwa is fit for command because he is male in episode 6, so the few women commanders we see on screen might be exceptions. Yet women commanders seem able to order a Registrar to shoot a man who makes a 'false move,' as seen in episode 1.
So I dunno what's going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not really a bad anime, but it's bad aspects that drag it down are more jarring as a result of what it does right. Ultimately, I think that Geneshaft has a lot going for it, but it falls a bit short of its potential.
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Mar 7, 2020 3:57 PM
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this anime was great and I loved it, until the last episode.
what the fuck hapend with the council in earth?
what is gonna hapen to the space craft? they were declared terrorist and like 13 ships were lost chasing them
will this bring a change to society or only to the crew members?
how are they gong to explain to the public that weird explipse everyone saw on earth?
how are they going to explain they terraformed europa in 5 minutes?
is the crew going to be forgiven of the destruction of 13 war ships in exchange of creating a new place for humanity?
will the truth ever be known?
does someone sometime pet the dog that was genetically modified to be depressed???
so many question, such a bad last episode.
Sep 14, 2021 6:37 AM
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Ah, so in the end, the whole "white gene" aspect was bloody worthless.

Mika and Mir fought. Upgraded Shaft obviously would win. Sergei lost the plot, seeing visions of his duplicates and Amigawa was just being Amigawa. Oh, yeah, the Shaft shot a weird ring around the planet and it got reconstructed... Somehow.

This show was too ambitious for its own good. In the end, the plot was badly constructed together and the characters were boring. At least there was decent use of camera movement, like going through the vents in ep 6. Sadly, these few exceptions hardly save the show from being quite frankly a disappointing failure.

Jun 10, 2022 1:40 AM

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glassknuckles said:
hmm, what to say about Geneshaft

It does a lot of things I like, but who lives and who dies seems forced and arbitrary for the sake of creating drama. It does create character development in Beatrice, who was best girl. Beatrice's character development is driven by killing off Mario and Sofia, which wouldn't be a complaint except that these deaths felt forced; eg. Jean shouldn't exist, I don't why Sofia died.

It seems pretty unlikely in a 1:9 m to f society Amigiwa would have a 20th century Japanese family structure with a father, but I guess he was a "special" member of society, unlike Mika.

I can't really fault the character arcs, despite being somewhat underwhelmed with this anime. There's a nice intertwining of Amigiwa and Mika's pasts through the shuttle accident, in which Amigiwa tracks Mika down for the mission to fulfill Ryoko's wish, and he already had some belief in Mika's untapped potential while the accident convinced him he did not have the skills society said he did. I think it's more accurate to say Amigiwa exits the coma less with his own issues resolved than with a stronger faith in Mika as an unknown potential, or miracle, since the foundational myth of perfect DNA has been shattered by his experiences.

The theme of perfect DNA isn't executed as well with Sergei, who remains too much of cipher to understand. Was the Sergei that Mir remembered apparently a duplicate that had been executed before this Sergei existed? I'm also prejudiced against omnicidal maniac villain types, so in this case I din't find much reason for Sergei to come to the conclusion humanity was a bug...he could've come to opposite conclusion just as easily afaik- that the Giants and Oberus were inferior since one is extinct and the other is dumb computer that gets confused by the Bilkis.

The "perfect" Mir was a true idiot the entire anime, a complete egotistical ass, which makes complete sense given who she was and her backstory, so in this case a lack of character growth was the right decision lol.

It's unfortunate that it seemed that some characters received development only before their imminent demise (Remy, Mario). Tiki remained underutilized the entire anime, I don't think she even did any missions. Sofia and Dolce didn't have any character arc. This may have needed more episodes.

The storyline involving the Council of Elders is totally dropped, after we last see them clucking about terrorists while explosions go off. The message about human potential over limits is not uncommon in anime, but I liked it here where it was juxtaposed as part of nature-nurture conversation. Back in the late 1990s and 200s DNA was having a moment as "A Really Big Deal with Implications," but almost 20 years later there is no cyberpunk DNA modding-but the backstory detail concerning climate change is quite terrifying.

I loved the aesthetic, the framing of planets and the sci-fi references. The rings are of course kinda analogous to 2001's monoliths, as is the the spinning space station and the importance of Jupiter and its moons, and similar to 2010, ends with the transformation of a Jovian moon. It's weighed down early on by feeling incomprehensible, with references to unknown bureaucracies and meaningless bureaucratic talk that only makes sense to the people who wrote the damn script! Sadly, a not uncommon fault in SF and mecha anime, but I had to resort to the DVD liner notes!

On a personal note, the fact this society is not really a true matriarchy is a bit disappointing. There isn't any attention paid to exploring gender despite the odd gender setting that produces an army of women. Here, I thought this would be a femdom society, but that's contradicted at several points that suggest more of a cultural feminist view where men have more power in certain areas and not so much in others. For example, Mika takes it as a fact of nature Amigiwa is fit for command because he is male in episode 6, so the few women commanders we see on screen might be exceptions. Yet women commanders seem able to order a Registrar to shoot a man who makes a 'false move,' as seen in episode 1.
So I dunno what's going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not really a bad anime, but it's bad aspects that drag it down are more jarring as a result of what it does right. Ultimately, I think that Geneshaft has a lot going for it, but it falls a bit short of its potential.
nah you over thinking, this anime isnt that deep. This anime wanted to be genuine so there is a lots of women because men are aggressors so they decrease their numbers but they did evolve to be leaders so they keep some around, not that deep.
Jun 10, 2022 1:46 AM

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Well that was a rather weak ending to this mediocre show. So Hiroto fell in love with Mika huh?..surprise, surprise. Oh wait.

At any rate, 4/10 for this show. Weak plot with poorly constructed characters although I admit the OST is decent.
they have very little what the concept of love is remember, and the characters are find the are supposed to be robot like and plain.
Apr 3, 10:35 AM

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I've never heard about this anime before and just came across it by chance. The premise sounded interesting enough to give it a try.
Now 13 episodes later I know why it is never mentioned anywhere.

It was all quite mediocre and had so many plot points and characters that just didn't matter e.g. debugging. It was a fun thing at first, but later it felt like the same scene inserted every other episode.

Overall I give it a 4/10
May 3, 10:23 AM

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Early on, this series clearly had the potential for heading in an intriguing direction that kept you on the edge of your seat. There was a palpable sense of distrust amongst the Bilkis crew that epitomised the murky, stoic atmosphere of the anime. Unfortunately, around halfway through the anime (when the 21st century astronauts showed up), the series decided that having the characterisation pivot to waxing sentimental over anything and everything was a more effective use of its remaining runtime — constantly bombarding you with trite pep talks, cheesy sacrifices, laughably psychotic villains who worked antithetical to the premise, and it even put the Council of Elders on the back burner for the remainder.

Probably the worst sin this series committed is having Mario monopolise the screen time in the middle-late segment of the anime, wherein he acted as the main catalyst for the metamorphosis of this series into a sappy, cliched drama with miraculously instantaneous "character development" and obnoxious proselytising about what humans "should be" or what they "should think". He is never portrayed as anything other than a space messiah who is loved by everyone, never held accountable for any of his actions (including insubordination), impeccably skilled in everything from combat to tactical planning, and he even corrects the backwards attitudes of our emotionally detached crew through his majestic presence. Even when this asshole died after his "tragic" sacrifice, he has the audacity to return as a ghost just to further deliver people from their sins (i.e. insecurities). Ridiculously perfect characters like this belong in parodies, not hard-hitting utilitarian science fiction.


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