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Feb 15, 2:50 PM

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I was just wondering if this anime have what is required to be called ''Perfect.''

Vinland Saga is an amazing series for so many reasons. It’s set during the Viking Age, a time full of brutality and intrigue, and it does a fantastic job of bringing that history to life. But it’s not just about the action—what really stands out is the depth of the characters. They’re incredibly well-developed, and watching them grow throughout the story makes you feel deeply invested in their journeys. The show tackles powerful themes like vengeance, honor, freedom, and the search for meaning in a world that doesn’t always make sense. These aren’t just surface-level ideas, either—they really shape the characters’ decisions and drive the plot forward, giving the story a lot of emotional weight and making it feel really thought-provoking.

But what i really want to ask is, what do you think?

Feb 15, 2:55 PM

Merve2Love

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To be honest Season 1 is perfection, to me.
Music, Characters, Storyline, Animation. Thought provocing and emotional. It has it all.

Every Episode a 10/10.

Feb 15, 3:00 PM

joeyargent

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Dec 2024

this show is perfection if anyone thinks otherwise your delusional

Feb 15, 3:02 PM

Bolona07

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No show is perfect. But this is one of the best I’ve ever seen

Feb 15, 3:27 PM

aintfeellikethis

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Nah it’s not perfect it’s 7/10 at best

Feb 15, 3:27 PM

Ripperdoc

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Best seinen and top 5 anime.

Feb 15, 3:42 PM

AjuroDono

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aintfeellikethis said:
Nah it’s not perfect it’s 7/10 at best

Hot take i see hahahahah

Feb 15, 3:45 PM

Baranka02

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The only downgrade of season 1 is that Thorfinn is still in his annoying child/teenager era. I hated him in season 1 only to get to love him in season 2 . Peak character development

Feb 15, 4:00 PM

Merve2Love

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Reply to Baranka02

The only downgrade of season 1 is that Thorfinn is still in his annoying child/teenager era. I hated him in season 1 only to get to love him in season 2 . Peak character development

@Baranka02

That's like seeing a hot 18 year old, fresh and unspent, still making mistakes and getting in trouble, full of life and straightforward walking down the street going: --"DAMN, WHY ISN'T THAT BITCH GROWING UP ALREADY! I HATE THIS IMMATURE BROAD!"-- 😂

I get that the character development was pretty awesome, but who're you kidding? Young Action-Thorfinn was pretty fun and badass.
Plus it made for the most wholesome/harsh Father-Son Moments between him and Askeladd. You can't have that precious development without this phase

So it's not a downgrade. It's a genius bit of writing and setting up.

Merve2LoveFeb 15, 4:03 PM

Feb 15, 7:39 PM

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Altieee

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"it was perfect, perfect everything, down to the last minute details" 🫄🏻

Feb 15, 9:04 PM

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Blumarine210

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The whole manga is a complete masterpiece for me ngl.

Feb 15, 9:05 PM

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DillanSmokes

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It’s def amazing ,but I don’t think it’s perfect. S2 was really close tho

Have a wonderful day!

Feb 15, 9:45 PM

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No. I mean I like the series however, when it comes to the adaption, while very good and even added in a few areas, there are a few scenes, that could have been better done, for a "perfect adaption". The OST could have been more ambitious than it was too. Still a very good adaption, however, perfect means perfect.

When it comes to the actual writing itself, I mean prologue does have some pacing issues, Thorfinn isn't the most interesting MC (developed in the next arc, though I still think he could have done more with edgelord Thorfinn). Yukimura writes Thorkell less interesting/less nuanced than he actually was. Rather he is just violent himbo, comic relief and he has a weird understanding of where violence comes from, going off the author's comments he made in the manga, and some spoilers on later chapters (I haven't finished the Eastern Expedition arc yet).

I still really like the work, however, any work can be criticized. Even my favourite anime, I can give a list of issues with it. I don't think any artistic work out there is "perfect".

@joeyargent
Kay I will be delusional lol

Feb 15, 9:53 PM

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" I HAVE NO ENEMIES" itself is an unrealistic scenario, and they are in a era that isn't like to talk,, season 1 was mid for me ,, season 2 was one of the best.. but it has many inconsistencies,,

it's really hard to prove the concept they are trying to do,, but I just wanted to know how well they tackle it..

mc shouldn't have said the word I have no enemies in the end of season 2 ,that word should have kept for end of the anime... because he has soo many enemies at that point,

I am anime only , after watching both seasons, i can say it's not perfect, it has many plot holes but it is one of my favourite animes for sure.. because it's trying to prove something that's impossible and i wanna know how well they do that,, and it teaches many life lessons too, i love it..l hope they do that same things in the future upcoming season,i don't want action in this show...

_otaku_man00Feb 15, 9:59 PM

Feb 15, 10:09 PM

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Did you mean to say perfection because I don't know what the hell this title is supposed to mean.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Feb 16, 4:35 AM

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In my opinion, both seasons were awesome. Paced story, amazing plot, great character development (in S2), outstanding historical battle scenes (Thorfinn vs Thorkell, Thorfinn vs Askeladd, Thors vs Askeladd, Gardar and many more).

I am also reading the manga, I almost finished it and all I can say is that Vinland Saga is utterly perfect.

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Feb 16, 6:12 AM

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BilboBaggins365 said:
No. I mean I like the series however, when it comes to the adaption, while very good and even added in a few areas, there are a few scenes, that could have been better done, for a "perfect adaption". The OST could have been more ambitious than it was too. Still a very good adaption, however, perfect means perfect.

When it comes to the actual writing itself, I mean prologue does have some pacing issues, Thorfinn isn't the most interesting MC (developed in the next arc, though I still think he could have done more with edgelord Thorfinn). Yukimura writes Thorkell less interesting/less nuanced than he actually was. Rather he is just violent himbo, comic relief and he has a weird understanding of where violence comes from, going off the author's comments he made in the manga, and some spoilers on later chapters (I haven't finished the Eastern Expedition arc yet).

I still really like the work, however, any work can be criticized. Even my favourite anime, I can give a list of issues with it. I don't think any artistic work out there is "perfect".

@joeyargent
Kay I will be delusional lol

obv every anime has problems nothing is really perfect but vinland saga comes damn close to perfection

Feb 16, 6:40 AM

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Season 1 was good, season 2 was a snooze fest. I get the character development but season 2 was way too dragged out. I know I'm going to get hate for this but oh well, we all have different tastes.

Feb 16, 6:52 AM

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It's the most pretentious 14 year old's idea of "deep" I have ever seen. Boils down to "fighting is for dumb people" and "pacifism is for enlightened individuals like me". The first season is just unbearably piorly written. The second season is very good, I'll grant you that, at least up until it circles back to the central pacifism theme to tie it all together.

Feb 16, 12:08 PM

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AjuroDono said:
I was just wondering if this anime have what is required to be called ''Perfect.''

Vinland Saga is an amazing series for so many reasons. It’s set during the Viking Age, a time full of brutality and intrigue, and it does a fantastic job of bringing that history to life. But it’s not just about the action—what really stands out is the depth of the characters. They’re incredibly well-developed, and watching them grow throughout the story makes you feel deeply invested in their journeys. The show tackles powerful themes like vengeance, honor, freedom, and the search for meaning in a world that doesn’t always make sense. These aren’t just surface-level ideas, either—they really shape the characters’ decisions and drive the plot forward, giving the story a lot of emotional weight and making it feel really thought-provoking.

But what i really want to ask is, what do you think?

Well, short answer No. Long answer is that I think looking at media/fiction/entertainment through the lens of "perfection" isn't a productive way to enjoy art. Us as people are unable to be perfect so therefore everything we make is unable to be "perfect" this combined with subjectivity of fiction. A certain aesthetic for you might be "perfect" and for someone else it might be boring, basic or even unfit. For me the best works of Art in this case anime are series and films that offer an experience nothing else can provide to you.

With that preface out of the way; Vinland does many things well as you pointed out, the cast of characters consistently has complicated motivations and as the viewer we unravel as the series progresses, we see these characters grow and change as people as well which helps us reflect on our own ability to change and is executed very well. Action scenes are often crisp in Vinland Saga and offer a lot of entertainment. The story is also incredibly profound being one of the best advertisements for the pacifist ideal, but also providing commentary on war, power, purpose and the morality of man. All of which are very complicated subjects and Vinland Saga touches upon in a responsible manner.

While it is hard to criticize Vinland Saga, it is not impossible: Vinland Saga's art direction is clearly based on a lot of historical drama series which does not get the best out of the anime medium having many scenes where two characters just exchange close ups and dialogue which is incredibly visually boring. While as a man Vinland Saga feels endearing I can't help but suspect that a women watching the series would have a little more difficulty relating to the struggles of the cast considering how overwhelmingly male dominated not just the characters are, but the nature of the story. Vinland Saga also has consecutive episodes with very little in plot progression both in S1 and S2 which can make certain points of the story drag along as a viewer. I also think it can be jarring that this story contains characters with super human abilities but also tries to be very grounded and realistic which overall can hurt your immersion.

Feb 16, 5:33 PM

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Since themes drive the plot and character arcs, it's hard to appreciate a story when you fundamentally disagree with the author's view. But I want to focus on what I dont't like about the characters and their motives.

Starting with the dad. The story really beats you over the head with "hey this guy is morally flawless he is the goodest guy ever". The lengths the author goes to in order to endear you to the dad has the adverse effect of portraying him as foolish, unwise. For example, when his son is threatened by a band of pirates, he doesn't take it seriously. He doesnt acknowledge the reality that he has to choose between his life or theirs. He thinks he can bargain with them and make them honor a promise. And so he ends up deserting his family by getting killed in the dumbest most predictable way possible.

There's also the instance where he spends valuable resources to purchase the freedom of a slave that dies literally right after. It's a symbolic gesture, but again, it is so painfully unwise as the leader of people that he looks after. Pragmatism is dead in this story. This guy just aura farms, this guy just virtue signals. He would sooner sacrifice his entire family than betray his ideals. There is avoiding conflict and then there is recklessly abandoning your duty to protect. That is cowardice.

Next theres Thorfinn. There is hardly any gradual change. There are phases and little to no connective tissue. I have a problem with that because it is precisely those junctures which are typically the most interesting to watch. S1 spends a lot of time with the brooding Thorfinn obsessed with revenge, making you wonder when he's going to have some reckoning but he just NEVER learns. He is so dense it is unnatural, as well the same character dynamics quickly get boring and then frustrating.

(I get that they wanted to prolong the stubborn obsession with revenge to thrust him into a state of shock once he is abruptly realitychecked post Askeladd death, but i wanted to see some hint of maturity, doubt, and self reflection to abate the sensation we're just watching a shallow one note character. We see a LITTLE bit of this when he betrays the old lady in Ep 06, but it's not enough.)

Thorfinn is also stupidly overpowered and it's never explained how. It is out of place for a story that is otherwise grounded and lacks a proper power system. Maybe having Thor in your name just grants you superpowers in this verse. idk. It's very hard to suspend my disbelief when he shows feats of superhuman durability, speed, and strength with no explanation. The plot armor is just ridiculous. If you want to give your MC superpowers just do it, and explain the power system. Otherwise it just comes across as an amateur fanfic.

Feb 17, 7:52 AM

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aintfeellikethis said:
Nah it’s not perfect it’s 7/10 at best

gimme what you're smoking😂😂

Feb 18, 3:05 AM

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S1 is a masterpiece, the S2 prove the point

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