| I don't see how simply subbing names differently makes them "unwatchable." |
| I know why they're doing it and it's distracting but I wouldn't call it unwatchable. I guess a better compromise would be using just the surname. |
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| Translating something to accurately convey what's being said while also having it make sense in the language you're translating to and for the audience that will watch it in that language is difficult. Some people prefer more localized subtitles while others prefer subtitles that are more faithful to the original language and culture. In this case, they went the more localized route. I don't think that makes it unwatchable, but I can understand not liking the approach. |
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| lol good luck since fansubs are dead majority of the old fansubbers become official subbers of the legal streaming sites like crunchyroll anyway since this old subbers wants to get paid too |
| I was expecting to come here and see some major mistranslations or dumbing down of certain phrases etc, but you’re pressed about the name? 💀 |
| I feel like most subs I watch these days do that with the names. Character says "family name"-san or nii-san and the subs replace it with their given name. It used to bug me but I just tell myself that at least I know what's actually being said. |
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| maybe the official sub is actually a dubtitle - that is, the sub is taken straight from the English dub. someone who watch the dub version can confirm or refute this. |
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| I legit just auto translate this in my head, it’s not a big deal |
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Reply to DreamingBeats
maybe the official sub is actually a dubtitle - that is, the sub is taken straight from the English dub.
someone who watch the dub version can confirm or refute this.
someone who watch the dub version can confirm or refute this.
| @DreamingBeats Other Netflix anime use similar subs, sometimes containing embarrassing mistakes that their dubs do not make. Perhaps Netflix is allergic to the name "Saotome."  |
| その目だれの目？ |
FFandMMfan said: One of the greatest sins of subbing is when you have a character named (as an example) Saotome Ranma and the voices say "Saotome-san" but the subs say "Ranma". This crap is ALL OVER this show. These subs are damn near unwatchable and we need a decent alternative that isn't butchering the dialog like this. Glad it's not just me. I always find stuff like this extremely distracting. |
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| Then you switch to the dubbed version, problem solved. |
| Cant relate, cause I watch the dub if there is simulcast. |
 "Don't let your memes be dreams."- Ancient Japanese proverb, probably |
| -.- Really? I'm amazed by the cribbing over the smallest things. Watch the dub or do your own fan subbing I guess... |
| come on now it's not that deep |
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| Learn Japanese you dumb ungrateful folks |
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Reply to ChangeLeopardon
Translating something to accurately convey what's being said while also having it make sense in the language you're translating to and for the audience that will watch it in that language is difficult. Some people prefer more localized subtitles while others prefer subtitles that are more faithful to the original language and culture. In this case, they went the more localized route. I don't think that makes it unwatchable, but I can understand not liking the approach.
| @ChangeLeopardon Not everything needs to be Yakuza where they actually do that. Also in English we say people's first names as it is. |
| I haven't updated in years but now I have changed that. I'll be free soon. |
| It goes way deeper than names. Subtitles from neflix completely mischaracterizing characters, changing many lines without any valid reason. Sometimes these are small details (which, however, affect the perception of the characters significantly), sometimes whole sentences are simply mistranslated. And yes, altering surname to name when characters are refereeing each other is actually a terrible idea. Especially for Japanese content. Netflix subs are usually terrible, so it's not something new. But one Twitter user is doing an experiment with AI translations. He even did 2 extensive comparisons of the two translations. AI wins in basically every case. He also explained exactly how he does it, what prompt he used, and shows that AI can stick firmly to context with only Japanese subtitles as a source. To be honest, I use these subtitles, because it is simply a much better option. I would recommend reading these threads, because you can really see there that translations done by AI with proper promt and MTL google translate type are something completely and fundamentally different and unrelated. Here's a thread about Episode 1 https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1842634391584923769 Episode 2 https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1845572201610702941 Episode 3 https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847718309233389979 And here's a comparison of the latest ep (64 examples) - netfilx, ai and original Japanese text. https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847743316458156359 Edit: LMAO, all these tourists saying "watch the dub" Are you seriously complaining about this? This is such an insignificant detail How the characters show respect for each other and how they address each other you call “insignificant detail”? Are you okay? Really? I'm amazed by the cribbing over the smallest things. Watch the dub or do your own fan subbing I guess... There are also people in the world who are not complete ignorants like you. And what is this “do your own fan subbing” argument anyway? |
KawaiiTanukiOct 20, 2024 1:50 AM
Reply to DreamingBeats
maybe the official sub is actually a dubtitle - that is, the sub is taken straight from the English dub.
someone who watch the dub version can confirm or refute this.
someone who watch the dub version can confirm or refute this.
| @DreamingBeats no, netflix has different subs for original audio and these subs are as terrible as dub translation, but definitely different ones |
Reply to KawaiiTanuki
It goes way deeper than names. Subtitles from neflix completely mischaracterizing characters, changing many lines without any valid reason. Sometimes these are small details (which, however, affect the perception of the characters significantly), sometimes whole sentences are simply mistranslated.
And yes, altering surname to name when characters are refereeing each other is actually a terrible idea. Especially for Japanese content.
Netflix subs are usually terrible, so it's not something new.
But one Twitter user is doing an experiment with AI translations.
He even did 2 extensive comparisons of the two translations.
AI wins in basically every case.
He also explained exactly how he does it, what prompt he used, and shows that AI can stick firmly to context with only Japanese subtitles as a source.
To be honest, I use these subtitles, because it is simply a much better option.
I would recommend reading these threads, because you can really see there that translations done by AI with proper promt and MTL google translate type are something completely and fundamentally different and unrelated.
Here's a thread about Episode 1
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1842634391584923769
Episode 2
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1845572201610702941
Episode 3
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847718309233389979
And here's a comparison of the latest ep (64 examples) - netfilx, ai and original Japanese text.
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847743316458156359
Edit:
LMAO, all these tourists saying "watch the dub"
How the characters show respect for each other and how they address each other you call “insignificant detail”?
Are you okay?
There are also people in the world who are not complete ignorants like you. And what is this “do your own fan subbing” argument anyway?
And yes, altering surname to name when characters are refereeing each other is actually a terrible idea. Especially for Japanese content.
Netflix subs are usually terrible, so it's not something new.
But one Twitter user is doing an experiment with AI translations.
He even did 2 extensive comparisons of the two translations.
AI wins in basically every case.
He also explained exactly how he does it, what prompt he used, and shows that AI can stick firmly to context with only Japanese subtitles as a source.
To be honest, I use these subtitles, because it is simply a much better option.
I would recommend reading these threads, because you can really see there that translations done by AI with proper promt and MTL google translate type are something completely and fundamentally different and unrelated.
Here's a thread about Episode 1
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1842634391584923769
Episode 2
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1845572201610702941
Episode 3
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847718309233389979
And here's a comparison of the latest ep (64 examples) - netfilx, ai and original Japanese text.
https://x.com/linkasobi/status/1847743316458156359
Edit:
LMAO, all these tourists saying "watch the dub"
Are you seriously complaining about this? This is such an insignificant detail
How the characters show respect for each other and how they address each other you call “insignificant detail”?
Are you okay?
Really? I'm amazed by the cribbing over the smallest things. Watch the dub or do your own fan subbing I guess...
There are also people in the world who are not complete ignorants like you. And what is this “do your own fan subbing” argument anyway?
| Seriously though, its crazy how people lambast people who dont like this. Like, what an obvious incorrect subtitle does is plant doubt in your mind if there is anything else thats wrong about the translation. And you shouldnt be feeling like that when you are paying for entertainment lmfao... |
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