So the last episode airs today...what did you think about s2 ?

@MaouHero Your argument is basically 'oh but this pick has deeper themes, therefore its good' which is pure BS. First its not even a well written or thought out take on the very developments and social dynamics its trying to comment on in this arc. Its 90% boring exposition with a soulless npc character acting as the mouthpiece. Its also trying to be subtle when its just not which makes it all the more obnoxious to have to sit through.

You claiming people dont like it outside of the romance is projection. People do like the other aspects of this show/LN. They DONT like badly written parts which is basically what almost all arcs or scenes with Fuuka being important are. Youre projecting the idea that anyone who disagrees doesnt understand when they almost certainly do but simply recognise how badly written it is and dont find it interesting. Deep themes etc. dont inherently make something better quality wise. Nor do they make it interesting.

@Seansy Them sticking to their guns whilst admirable does not mean the decision isnt fucking terrible. Its not even interesting in a devisive manner and as most people here have shown (and elsewhere on the internet) that its not enjoyable to read or watch. It doesnt even have a good moral or take on the theme its attempting to invoke compared to the rest of the show/LN etc which does these things rather well.

“Here’s how Mimimi can still win:” has been my copium for the second arc of this season. It’s very sad what was done to best girl.

But despite this huge miss i think the real mistake was how Tomozaki’s choice was portrayed. Despite his actions we never get to really see what he actually *feels* towards anyone. It’s always in a watered down way and i feel if that could have been done better this would have topped the quality in s1.

But oh well, Tomozaki missed his shot with best girl, and the show missed its shot too. So in a way there’s some tragic poetry to this in the end.

@BioticKhajiit hahaha I see that you are very affected, bro. Yes, you should look for a romance with girls with super eccentric and flashy personalities who satisfy your desires, that's not the case. hahaha I see that you are very affected, friend. You should look for a romance with girls with super eccentric and flashy personalities who satisfy your desires, this is not the case.

@BioticKhajiit Apart from Hinami, no other character besides Kikuchi had as much influence on Tomozaki. Mimimi doesn't even come close. This is evident because his biggest evolution in S1 was due to Kikuchi.
And that was just to refute you saying that she should be cut and the show show would be better.

Is her wanting to change irrelevant? Did you watch the same thing as me? One of the main points of this arc is that not everyone needs to change, Tomozaki realizing this was a big development for him. I have no idea what "an interesting character" is for you and I honestly don't care, but to say she's not an important character is to deny reality.

She has always been Tomozaki's guiding light: She made him feel comfortable being himself, without worrying so much about the rules taught by Aoi. She was the one who made him reconcile with Aoi when he wanted to give up everything, etc.

The only girl with whom Tomozaki has had a romantic relationship since the beginning is Kikuchi, unlike Mimimi who only happened in this second season (or volumes 6 and 7). It was obvious who he would choose.

I've seen that you're a Kikuchi hater and I honestly don't care. I also don't pretend to understand what you find "interesting" or "well written."

@BioticKhajiit Disagree.

Fumiya helping Fuuka realize that her conundrum is the same as Fumiya's from the season 1 climax and explaining what decision he made to help push her in that direction is totally in line with the moral/theme of the story. Being true to yourself while also changing some things to fit in.

Fumiya picking Mimimi wouldn't have had the same thematic consistency. Does anything change for Mimimi, besides not finishing in 2nd place again, if Fumiya picks her? Not really, her character would remain the same or similarly afterwards. Would she stop feeling hollow if Tomozaki starts dating her? Maybe, but that's a codependent relationship at its core (not to say FuukaXTomozaki won't have issues).

Have you read all of the LN? I thought one of the side stories elucidated the same points I am making pretty accurately.

I won't argue about the enjoyment, it's subjective, and MimimiXTomozaki interactions are definitely very fun and enjoyable.

If nothing else, I always thought Aoi was endgame since season 1, even before reading ahead myself, and there is much greater contrast between Fuuka versus Aoi compared to a similar character to Aoi in Mimimi. If Mimimi and Aoi are both hollow, why would Tomozaki choose Mimimi over Aoi? Mimimi is basically core Aoi with an inferiority complex that is expressed through her class clown behavior. Do people want to see Mimimi come in 2nd place to her rival Aoi over Tomozaki later? I just don't see how the story would justify Tomozaki picking Mimimi over Aoi. It's way less of a contest to me compared to Fuuka because Fuuka provides a larger contrast between herself and Aoi. She has a core to her that Aoi and Mimimi don't.

I wrote a blog about this in more detail. Feel free to check it out and PM me if you feel up for politely discussing things further.

@Seansy

Her Dilemna is actually fine and an interesting one.

If it was well written.

I have no issue with the idea but her scenes read like exposition dumps by an npc and its awkwarding done through a play and dragged out in screentime. Sure in the story she's subtly hinting her ideas through her own writing. This is fine. What isnt fine however is making us sit through the fucking thing 547489390303903 times when the changes between revisions can be summed up or talked about in a natural way. All her discussion with Tomozaki bar the last parts of her scene in the last episode here is basically the two of them beating you the viewer/reader over the head with the arc's themes in an attempt to be subtle when its not. It doesnt sound natural which is often fine in anime but not given the rest of the show's dialogue. It just feels like an attempt by the author to power through some plot points hence all her interactions and subsequent relationships feel and read like 'because the plot demands it happen' rather than it flowing naturally. And its not interesting either which the main reason for breaking the natural flow.

Like youre replying to me explaining what her own thoughts and takes on her situation are. I already know this (mainly thanks to how unsubtle it is) and it doesnt magically make her well written and therefore interesting. My issue is a meta one. I actually like the idea for the character I just think its handled badly and she gets with Tomo for the sake of him getting with one. Mainly because 'muh they have deep convos so they should get together'.

Aoi being endgame is most likely and I applaud that (beyond it meaning Mimimi loses to her again which is just the author bullying a character for no real payoff) because he's actually well written and her situation of essentially being a sociopathic groomer is entertaining in comparison to the exposition npc that fuuka is. Her being different to Mimimi is that Mimimi is mostly just genki on the outside and is hollow due to being sad/low self esteem. Aoi is hollow partly because of what happens with her family prior to the LN/anime's story but also partly because her 'insides' are even more acting and sociopathy.

The difference on who he picks (between those two as theyre actual characters unlike Fuuka) basically comes down to does he want a normal person with some natural flaws which is what Mimimi is and sort of what his target goal was all along. Or does he want to get with the person who essentially raised him out of his shut-in life, but also someone who is as fucked up as him as they both view the world in a meta way which is what his endgoal may have changed to. The choice basically summarises the story on whether he truly changes or is just acting like he has fully changed but maybe not fully underneath. Its more interestign narratively and he has actual chemistry with these two characters which is why Id prefer he get with wither of them rather than his current relationship with Fuuka which again just feels like its for the sake of it (potentially to explore how breakups change people given the recent volumes) and its badly written on top off this so it feels like a waste of time especially when its not fun to read or watch.

@BioticKhajiit Bro, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Some of your complaints have some merit, but it is drowned in your hatred for the character, so it isn't worth discussing further.

@BioticKhajiit Bro, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Some of your complaints have some merit, but it is drowned in your hatred for the character, so it isn't worth discussing further.

@MaouHero

The author knew what would happen lol. Props for him for sticking with the narratively correct choice in spite of fan disapproval.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tomozaki_kun/comments/1bpjx3o/this_feels_so_meta_right_now/