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Mar 26, 2024 6:34 AM
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Warning: This post is not related to discussing pairings; I don't watch this anime for that.

Already in the first half of the second season, I began to suspect that something was wrong. I expected Konno to start doing something against Izumi, but not against someone else because it seems pointless. Tomozaki asked Hinami about it, she simply replied that the whole situation fell apart like dominoes. In a way, it looked like that, but it doesn't really explain anything. I don't see any reasons why Erika would start bullying Hanabi. It seems too forced by the author.

This is also indicated by how absurd the bullying was happening. Erika just bumped into Hanabi's desk every day. I was like: That's it? The fact that she bumped into the desk every day looked incredibly stupid. People could have noticed that she's either blind or uncoordinated if she kept bumping into things. What surprised me even more was that half of the class initially understood what was happening and empathized with Hanabi, but no one said anything, even though the conflict could have been easily prevented before it even started. Exactly, there shouldn't have been a conflict at all.

This anime tried its hardest to depict how cruel the bullying was, but the most severe thing that happened was just a cut toy. Seriously? Is this supposed to be severe bullying? I became even more convinced: Forced drama. And then the conflict was resolved very quickly, and everyone started behaving as if nothing had happened. The entire bullying arc is just a forced reason by the author for Hanabi to change. That's it. There's no real substance to it. There's no real problem, no real conflict. This is evidenced by how quickly everything returned to normal. But despite that, it was still a fun part of the second season. Then the second half began...

It all began with Tomozaki deciding to create an original production. This was explained by the need for him to put in more effort for the cultural festival. But how he came to this decision and why he decided to do it in the first place? There's no real reason. However, it later became clear why all of this was necessary: Another forced reason from the author to integrate Kikuchi into the school events, who had been outside of this all along.

Throughout the second half of the second season, almost nothing happens. Most of the time, Tomozaki and Kikuchi just sit at a table and discuss the play. We're given some details about this play, told about some changes to the script, but it doesn't really matter. All these discussions about what inspired Kikuchi's story and all the debates on how to write the story better amount to absolutely nothing. It's just filler. This will be forgotten by the next season. You could just skip all these moments, and you wouldn't lose anything. The only significant event is Minmi's confession, but even that isn't really important for the most time because the consequences of this event are delayed and from the spoilers I've caught, I understand that this also won't affect the Tomozaki's decision. Tomozaki carries out tasks from Hinami, but these tasks, considering that Tomozaki is already friends with everyone, aren't challenging or meaningful. There was a moment where someone thought Hinami had one sister, but it turned out she had several. But why do I care? Overall, the entire second season feels like one big filler with a few important events and there's almost no development of the main character from the end of the previous season. A big disappointment.
Mar 26, 2024 6:40 AM
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I ain’t going to read all of that + yeah it’s you personally i enjoy it
Mar 26, 2024 6:45 AM
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I also felt it was a downgrade. It doesn't really focus that much on Tomozaki and his devolvement as much as I would like.

But I would totally want Tama to point her finger at me.

Mar 26, 2024 6:47 AM
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It's just you, it was horrible in S1 too.
Mar 26, 2024 6:53 AM
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I feel like this season is unnecessarily dragging and dragging out all the plots, if that's what you mean.
Mar 26, 2024 7:14 AM
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that's just not a great anime at all, it's so slow and boring, we don't even know where the author is going to lead us
Mar 26, 2024 7:55 AM
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I think it’s slow only as in the arc doesn’t feel like the main part of the story. But I think it’s fine. I didn’t cringe as much as this season, I think it’s an important set up for the mindset of each character and the MC.
The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10
Mar 26, 2024 8:55 AM
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It's focusing on other characters too and not just Tomozaki and I love that about it. Tbh, I don't remember much from S1, but I enjoyed it. And I'm enjoying this season as well. Tama's arc might've been a bit slow, but after that it's been really good.
Mar 26, 2024 9:26 AM
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I wouldnt say its empty per se. It just lost me when it literally started to force romance
Mar 26, 2024 9:33 AM
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Definitely not reading all that

But overall, is the season boring kind of.
The whole Tama and bully arc to me, was really really boring and drawn out for too many episodes

When Mimimi confessed, I thought the show was going to pick up and was definitely excited for more situations between her and Tomozaki
But sadly that’s not reality.

Usually the best thing a show like this can do is make you interested enough to go pick up the source.. but they failed to accomplish that with me
Mar 26, 2024 10:07 AM
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@antohachan

I mean, nearly all of storytelling is purposefully set up by the creator to reach a certain conclusion from a given starting point. What I look for is how realistic are the events that leads us from point A to point B and eventually to point Z when the story ends.

The bullying arc was pretty mild, but it is explained in the story why that is. If Erika goes too far it makes Hanabi a sympathetic figure, she loses face within the class. By purposefully keeping it low key with bumping into her desk, talking bad about her behind her back, etc. it allows her to get away with it without backfiring. They also explain why she starts bullying Hirabayashi first, due to looking bad if she targets her friend Izumi for dating Nakamura, and it makes sense for it to switch to Hanabi after she stands up to her. She has to push her down for standing up to her to maintain her image at the top of the social ladder and prevent someone else from doing the same and joining Hanabi in standing up to her. Why would someone else stand up for Hanabi after Erika switched her target to her for doing that exact thing? It is part of how group dynamics work in a school setting, although there is something lost in translation with how Japanese culture treats people that stick out too much compared to other cultures. Everything returns to normal because the issue has been resolved, and Hanabi purposefully pushes to make it that way. It also makes sense for Hanabi to be the one to push back in the first place given how her character was established in season 1. Much like Tomozaki, who almost said something himself before Tama intervened first, she has a strong moral core, is willing to bluntly state what she thinks, and isn't good at understanding social cues.

Of course, none of these things matter if you don't care about Hanabi's character in the first place. It will just feel like drawn out melodrama.

As far as the play goes... I've seen this comment so much on the forums here I'm left wondering if it is because people just don't care about Fuuka's character at all, or aren't noticing certain details that explain the subtext of what is happening. If it is the former, much like with the bullying arc, nothing I explain here will matter in the slightest.

The story set up this scenario since early in season 1 when Fuuka tells Tomozaki that she is an aspiring author and asks him if he will read some of her stories for her at some point. He agrees, and after some back and forth on resolving their misunderstanding, has progressed enough in their relationship for her to be willing to share some of the stories she wrote. From there, his enjoyment of the stories prompts him to consider using one of them to do an original play in order to fulfill his assignment. If they do a normal play there isn't much for him to do in the play besides involving himself in a role, which he is reluctant to do. Instead, he decides to involve his friend in the class production by using his favorite story from the ones he read. That way he can help his friend fit in with the class more, while also fulfilling his assignment. It is a win-win and makes sense within the story.

Beyond that, the story makes plain that the play is Fuuka's own story told as a metaphor within the fantasy setting. Every single time they sit down to make changes it is because something happened to Fuuka that directly preceded the change. Did the class accept Tomozaki's suggestion to do an original work based on Fuuka's story for their play? Kris is excited about exploring the outside world from her garden. Did Fuuka crash and burn when trying to direct things without Tomozaki's help? Kris realizes the outside world is also ugly and harsh at times. Did Tomozaki show her a way to make friends outside of school? Kris decides to make flower garlands for a living, since she loves doing so, just like Fuuka loves to write stories. Again, if you don't care for Fuuka's character, none of this stuff matters and will feel boring and drawn out, but there are definitely reasons for why so much time is spent on changing the story. Every change reflects a change in Fuuka's emotions from real life events.

The other key detail about the story is that part of why Fuuka hasn't finished it is because she doesn't know who Libra (Tomozaki) should end up with, Alucia (Aoi), or Kris (Fuuka). Tomozaki treats her question about deciding how a guy should decide between two girls that are special/important to him as a question of deciding between Fuuka and Mimimi, but for Fuuka, it is deciding between Aoi, the "wizard" that "brought color to Tomozaki's world", and herself. Most people probably didn't catch that when it happened because Tomozaki doesn't realize until later that the story is a metaphor for Fuuka's life story. Fuuka was sneakily asking Tomozaki how he would choose between her and Aoi, and his inability to decide disappoints her greatly.

Anyways, I've rambled enough about this topic. Hopefully this helps explain why things happened the way that they did, even if it doesn't convince you to care.
Mar 26, 2024 10:31 AM
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def a downgrade. this 2nd season has been a dissapointmwnt.

and that bully arc just pissed me off. like why did the classroom worry too much about disturbing the peace when it came to Erika?

nah. I hated mini arc . not sorry
Mar 26, 2024 10:38 AM

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Its just adaptation issues similar to what happened to Classroom of the Elite. I felt that many inner thoughts has been "lost in adaptation" especially on Tomozaki's side which lead us to not care much, making it feel "Boring" or "Incomplete".
Mar 26, 2024 1:32 PM
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Its just adaptation issues similar to what happened to Classroom of the Elite. I felt that many inner thoughts has been "lost in adaptation" especially on Tomozaki's side which lead us to not care much, making it feel "Boring" or "Incomplete".
@rookielazer Agreed. It is my biggest complaint with the anime. Trying to squeeze 4 volumes into 13 episodes after doing 3 volumes in 12 episodes for season 1 was a mistake. I have to assume they had to fight to even get 13 instead of 12 and couldn't get more. The anime industry is brutal.
Mar 26, 2024 2:43 PM
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Much worse than the first season
Mar 26, 2024 4:35 PM
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Not reading a wall of texr but S1 was more interesting to me. Just didnt care for all the drama for half of the season. Last couple of episode were better imo.
Mar 26, 2024 5:04 PM
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s1 was deffo better
Mar 26, 2024 5:57 PM
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  • Went from being mentored by Aoi to pushing himself to take up the same role for Tama-chan
  • Due to the beatdown on Konno, gained further insight on how his values differ to those of Hinami and pushes back on it - considering he's letting her pick his life goals currently this is pretty significant
  • Started to accept that others see value in him and that he shouldn't always put himself down after being complimented.
  • Pushed himself, a former "background character", to take the central role in organising the class's cultural festival activity - a major social occasion of school life at least according to every anime I've ever watched
  • Considered very deeply after discussions with others about what being in a relationship meant to him - and further to point 3, accepted that he is deserving of being in one
  • Entering a romantic relationship for the first time in his life (?-TBC)

I don't want to nitpick every point in the OP here, and at the end of the day, if you found it boring that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But the claim that the protagonist has had no development all season is crazy. On top of the above, his general social skills are also constantly improving.
Mar 26, 2024 8:02 PM

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both seasons are pretty much equally boring.
Mar 27, 2024 7:52 AM
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Blame Fuuka, literally the sole reason it gets boring is due to this npc badly written character eating up screentime either directly or indirectly with her play that hamfists the themes of the current plot arc over and over despite it being obvious from the first time its done.
Mar 27, 2024 12:39 PM

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it's shit. right? right.
mimimi was only thing not shit this season.
aoi and bakazaki last season.
Mar 27, 2024 2:21 PM

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Towards the end it did get kinda stale yeah. Have not seen the last episode yet though. S1 deffo better and more diverse.
Mar 27, 2024 2:30 PM

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Not reading all that but I agree 100%

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