| I can think of 1 such case about a reboot being shitted upon. In winter, we had a reboot of Trigun and majority of the complaints, people had about that show was that it not being the same as the original adaptation. So yeah, Nostalgia is what's causing blindness among these boomers. |
| I'm new to Kenshin, not a manga reader and watching both old and new parallelly. In general I don't think I have any complaints. The only thing that sometimes bugs me is the quality of animation and color tone of the remake. It looks too bright for the theme. |
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Madhav001 said: but if there is some other reason, do tell me since I am not able to find any genuine fault in here.... The comedy has been drastically reduced. It makes the character dynamics much weaker , especially with Kenshin. This makes some scenes empty/slow , at times. The Kenshin we have in this adaptation is really different from the one of the Original Anime/Manga. Originally , he was a goofy character , hiding his sorrow under this cheerful personality. He's like Gintoki from Gintama (which was inspired by Kenshin) , or Vash for Trigun. Aside from it , the Animation is really not always good , and i didn't rechecked , but i believe the face of Kenshin is inconsistently drawn. The music pales extremely compared to that of the Original Anime too , and the Opening song really doesn't match the story. (The visuals of both the Opening and Ending are stunning tho.) And there is the problem of the color palette. It's indeed too bright , especially for a show taking place in ancient Japan with such themes. But well , the beginning of the story is very slow , with just villains of the week storytellings. The hype around this adaptation will probably jump with the Kyoto Arc , which should start getting adapted at the end of this Season. |
 "Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
V1P3R0P said: I can think of 1 such case about a reboot being shitted upon. In winter, we had a reboot of Trigun and majority of the complaints, people had about that show was that it not being the same as the original adaptation. So yeah, Nostalgia is what's causing blindness among these boomers. I liked Trigun Stampede but it isn't faithful to the manga (and the original anime isn't faithful either) so it's a valid criticism. It's only valid if made by manga readers tho, because the anime-onlys who complained don't know anything and should stfu |
Saimatsu_Fan said: It worked wonders to make the work come alive in anime form.Alexioos95 said: The comedy has been drastically reduced. It makes the character dynamics much weaker , especially with Kenshin. This makes some scenes empty/slow , at times. The Kenshin we have in this adaptation is really different from the one of the Original Anime/Manga. Originally , he was a goofy character , hiding his sorrow under this cheerful personality. He's like Gintoki from Gintama (which was inspired by Kenshin) , or Vash for Trigun. Aside from it , the Animation is really not always good , and i didn't rechecked , but i believe the face of Kenshin is inconsistently drawn. The music pales extremely compared to that of the Original Anime too , and the Opening song really doesn't match the story. (The visuals of both the Opening and Ending are stunning tho.) And there is the problem of the color palette. It's indeed too bright , especially for a show taking place in ancient Japan with such themes. But well , the beginning of the story is very slow , with just villains of the week storytellings. The hype around this adaptation will probably jump with the Kyoto Arc , which should start getting adapted at the end of this Season. most of the comedy in the OG version was literally anime-only lol I really dislike the two girls living with Kaoru in the 90s anime, they make my ears bleed when they are in screen, but watching this new remake, I kinda understand why they are there now. The dojo in the new anime just feels kinda lifeless. Since manga is a different medium with different constraints, what works there might not translate into fun anime. One other factor of the new anime that hasn't been mentioned yet here, which is a downgrade, is the voice acting. 6 episodes in, and the new Kenshin just doesn't do it for me, and Sanousuke who's added recently, just doesn't work for me either. The voice acting in this version feels closer to a novel narration than it does actual acting Edit: on this topic, you might enjoy this video here: https://youtu.be/6zr_D5qbdCI for a breakdown from the animation perspective |
Perrin4869Aug 16, 2023 12:09 AM
Saimatsu_Fan said: most of the comedy in the OG version was literally anime-only lol There was indeed a lot of fillers comedy scenes. But it doesn't change that there was also numerous ones adapted from the Manga , completely scrapped in this adaptation. Perrin4869 said: One other factor of the new anime that hasn't been mentioned yet here, which is a downgrade, is the voice acting. The voice acting was extremely amateur in the Tokyo Arc of the Original Anime. It's not until more than the half of it that the actors made a much powerful acting. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: This is actually, by the way, almost surely a direct input of the author, since he once expressed his desire to have portrayed Kaoru a little better in his work. Not entirely true. He originally planned to make Kaoru a waifu character , but with a strong leadership. She got introduced with her strong will in the fight of Chapter 01 , and many people (especially female readers) really like it. So he scrapped his original idea , and kept going in this direction. He also had planned to make her die around the end of the Tokyo Arc , which was also originally supposed to be the end of the Manga. But the aggressiveness of Kaoru plays a lot in the gags of the Manga/Original Anime , and it's true that the staff reduced it a lot , alongside the rest of the comedy. However , Watsuki and even his wife said that they wanted more comedy and Kenshin's Oro in an interview about this adaptation... So who know , there is always something that doesn't seems right about what Watsuki says about his story. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Animaticide said: Fruits basket fans instantly dropped the original from existence the second the remake came out, if anything anime remakes tend to be far more better received theres only a few I can think of like Urusei Yatsura that havent been and even that might just be from the original not having as much reach so it didnt hit as many people that werent gonna enjoy it as a remake does. For Rurouni kenshin though, it really might just be as simple as the start isnt very good, I barely remmember the original so im basically watching it for the first time again and its been kind of bland regardless of thoughts on the original.Remakes are always looked down upon by nostalgic fans. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: I didn't mention Rie Takahashi, I find new Kaoru to be fine, didn't have any real issues with her portrayal thus far.Perrin4869 said: It worked wonders to make the work come alive in anime form. I really dislike the two girls living with Kaoru in the 90s anime, they make my ears bleed when they are in screen, but watching this new remake, I kinda understand why they are there now. The dojo in the new anime just feels kinda lifeless. Since manga is a different medium with different constraints, what works there might not translate into fun anime. One other factor of the new anime that hasn't been mentioned yet here, which is a downgrade, is the voice acting. 6 episodes in, and the new Kenshin just doesn't do it for me, and Sanousuke who's added recently, just doesn't work for me either. The voice acting in this version feels closer to a novel narration than it does actual acting Edit: on this topic, you might enjoy this video here: https://youtu.be/6zr_D5qbdCI for a breakdown from the animation perspective Even SUGGESTING than Rie’s Takahashi perfomance might be worse than the original is a complete heresy. Absolutely mind-boggling. I’m flabbergasted by it. The original wasn’t even particularly good, while the new one straight up has a premium seyuu team. As for the comedy, “countless scenes were cut”? Bruh, we had, like, two instances of Kaoru hitting Kenshin cut and that’s about it. And that’s because the anime even left some like in the most recent episode. This is actually, by the way, almost surely a direct input of the author, since he once expressed his desire to have portrayed Kaoru a little better in his work. So, I poletely raise the question: The hell you on? Mostly it's Kenshin and Sanousuke that I think lack personality when compared to the 90s version. I don't know, maybe you prefer this style of voice acting? I find it jarring, premium or not. Generally I do get the feeling that voice acting in anime has progressively gone from theatrical performances to more novel narration in style. Take a look at Ashita no Joe, then watch this, to have the most extreme example of what I am saying. All the characters here speak very clearly, put a lot of pauses, etc, like you'd have out of someone reading a script, etc Politely ask "the hell you on?"? Damn dude, I'm just telling you why I like the original more ๐ |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: I guess it's something more in the middle, betweenPerrin4869 said: I didn't mention Rie Takahashi, I find new Kaoru to be fine, didn't have any real issues with her portrayal thus far. Mostly it's Kenshin and Sanousuke that I think lack personality when compared to the 90s version. I don't know, maybe you prefer this style of voice acting? I find it jarring, premium or not. Generally I do get the feeling that voice acting in anime has progressively gone from theatrical performances to more novel narration in style. Take a look at Ashita no Joe, then watch this, to have the most extreme example of what I am saying. All the characters here speak very clearly, put a lot of pauses, etc, like you'd have out of someone reading a script, etc Politely ask "the hell you on?"? Damn dude, I'm just telling you why I like the original more ๐ So you’re basically saying you prefer exaggerated voice acting? I mean, damn, that’s taste I guess lol. Isekai-Enjoyer said: Well, you know, something in the middle. This is an anime about a legendary samurai and a dude who can wield a huge fucking sword, so a level of exaggeration is absolutely warranted in my opinion.Perrin4869 said: I didn't mention Rie Takahashi, I find new Kaoru to be fine, didn't have any real issues with her portrayal thus far. Mostly it's Kenshin and Sanousuke that I think lack personality when compared to the 90s version. I don't know, maybe you prefer this style of voice acting? I find it jarring, premium or not. Generally I do get the feeling that voice acting in anime has progressively gone from theatrical performances to more novel narration in style. Take a look at Ashita no Joe, then watch this, to have the most extreme example of what I am saying. All the characters here speak very clearly, put a lot of pauses, etc, like you'd have out of someone reading a script, etc Politely ask "the hell you on?"? Damn dude, I'm just telling you why I like the original more ๐ So you’re basically saying you prefer exaggerated voice acting? I mean, damn, that’s taste I guess lol. I adore the voices of Freeza and Cell for example, I wish more actors tried to bring out that level of personality to their characters. But this super-clean speech in this Kenshin anime is an absolute turn-off |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: Any links about absolutely ANY of that? For Kaoru , he talked about it in one of the early post-chapter discussion. I don't have a link , but an excerpt is in Volume 1. He mentionned that he planned to kill her in a post-chapter discussion around the beginning of the Kyoto Arc. I don't have a link either , but it's also in a special page of Volume 7. About the original plans for the Manga , he revealed it in the interview for the Kenshin Kanden Guidebook. There is also a special page about it in Volume 22 of the Kanzenban edition. (I can post the French version of it , if you want) As for this adaptation , the director made an interview with Animage : https://www.reddit.com/r/rurounikenshin/comments/14bnvve/ruroken_2023_animage_interview_with_director/ And Watsuki and his wife were interviewed by Natalie after Episode 01 : https://www.reddit.com/r/rurounikenshin/comments/14zg7fi/interview_of_watsuki_and_his_wife_about_the_new/ |
Alexioos95Aug 16, 2023 4:44 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: Well thing is, Kenshin is very heavily a caricarture. You had just last episode a samurai that could freeze you with his stare, you'll have a giant, a guy whose skin burns hot, a guy who can destroy rocks by punching at them just right, etc etcYeah… Politely agree to disagree here. I despise caricatures. And I SPECIFICALLY dislike Dragon Ball’s voice acting, to the point I genuinely just consider the older generation of seyuus outright worse. To me, it’s not even and artistic difference. The industry just straight up got better lmao. But aye, to each their own. |
Isekai-Enjoyer said: One thing I do agree with you is, the anime industry did come a long way in many respects. Watching the second season of Jujutsu Kaisen for example, like goddamn, the animation there is insane. Don't think shows in the 80s or 90s could even dream of being that well animated so consistently. If only this Kenshin anime were done by Mappa lolPerrin4869 said: Well thing is, Kenshin is very heavily a caricarture. You had just last episode a samurai that could freeze you with his stare, you'll have a giant, a guy whose skin burns hot, a guy who can destroy rocks by punching at them just right, etc etc Being unusually strong doesn’t make a character a caricature lol. Calling people monkeys with a voice which is higher pitched than the average loli does. Rurouni Kenshin is a serious story. Having characters being overly exaggerated just ruins it. |
| The remake and the og version are the same shit. There’s really not much difference except the fact that the remake will have no fillers. Which one do I like more? The old one. Why? Bc I like old animation way better than the new ones. That’s pretty much just it. Also there’s no nostalgia kicking in since I only watched the og one less than a year ago. It’s basically my preference in animation. Older anime generally give a more darker and intense vibe, whereas the new one is a big more colourful (double meaning). As I said, aside from filler, they’re the same so Idk what complains ppl are having, but they’re probably subjective. |
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| For me, the vibrant backgrounds that do not feel like lived-in spaces, and the lack of details that really create the setting, are affecting my enjoyment of the remake compared to the original. It contributes to an impression that this is a cartoonier version of the OG. |
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Spirelord said: and the lack of details that really create the setting, are affecting my enjoyment of the remake compared to the original. It contributes to an impression that this is a cartoonier version of the OG. Unfortunately , that's how most Animes are , nowadays. Even the 2 most loved Remakes : Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and Hunter x Hunter 2011 suffer from the same comparison with their Original adaptations. Especially Hunter x Hunter , as the Original Fullmetal Alchemist was not that old. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| I'm enjoying this adaptation so far, and while I think that the 90s series had lots of problems, I have to highlight the Kenshin vs. Saito fight and almost all (if not the entire) the Kyoto Saga, which set the bar very high, so I'm very curious to watch these parts and know if they will be able to match or even surpass the quality of old series. |
Drayenko said: The original anime was very dark and the tone was completely different from the manga in many ways. Again, while I loved it, it wasn't faithful to the manga. This version feels more in touch with the feeling of the manga. What do you mean ? The Original Anime had a lot of goofy comedy , just like the Manga. This 2023 adaptation , while being almost a 1 to 1 adaptations of the different events , removed a lot of the gags that was originally present , to have a more serious overall tone , closer to what the story is toward the end. Only the Tsuioku-hen and Seisou-hen OVAs had a gruesome and sad tone , and they both altered the Manga. Tsuioku-hen completely removed the comedy , and changed some things to make it more realistic , while Seisou-hen took only a few elements of the Manga to make an Anime-Original end tragedy with it. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Drayenko said: Dark as in it LOOKS dark. The colors are crushed and are crazy dark for some reason. It participated in creating a great atmosphere. And actually , aside from the hair color of Kenshin , it's very close to the coloring of the Manga in its official published pages during its run in the Shounen Jump. Many also don't like the brightness of the palette of this adaptation. Drayenko said: It's way too slow and full of unnecessary stuff, and I'm not talking about filler arcs, just pacing in general. As of now , the 2023 Anime has a nearly identical pacing as the 1996 one tho. Aside from very few scenes , like Kaoru talking to Kenshin when he's not here in Episode 02 , i never found it slow. The pacing in the Kyoto Arc also always has been very highly praised. Drayenko said: Another thing is people like to pretend the action was good in the original, and no, it wasn't. There's moments here and there, but in general it was full of gimmicky stuff to hide the fact that the animation was mediocre. I agree. The fights intensity and choreography is definitely the biggest point this 2023 Anime have. I'm impatient to see what they'll do in the Kyoto and Jinchuu Arcs , if they adapt them. Drayenko said: Which is no surprise, we're talking about the same studio that made Eyeshield 21 look like a mediocre thing. They also made Tsuioku-hen ! Overall , a good chunk of the staff was still new in the industry , and we feel it. (Watsuki even berated them in post-chapters discussions almost every week) They made a huge step-up during the Kyoto Arc tho. |
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Vicky96 said: You guys seriously complaining about less-comedic scene in the remake, but on the other side praised Tsuioku-hen OVA that was cut every single comedic scene from the manga itself. That's different tho. The Tsuioku-hen chapters were already drastically less comedic than the rest of the Manga , and that was done on purpose. This created a gap in the Kenshin we knew , and the one we see in it , on top of being a complete different setting. (War of the Bakumatsu , against the peaceful times of the Meiji.) The OVAs removed the few comedy remaining , but it was not a bad idea , as it widened the gap even more , and made the whole setting more realistic than it was in the Manga. (They did not just removed the comedy , but made the choreographies more grounded , changed the character designs , and even changed some background about the antagonists.) This adaptation reducing the comedy is not necessarily bad , but it makes it a re-interpretation , and not a Remake. (And it's the goal of it , just like how Tokuhitsuban did) |
Alexioos95Sep 9, 2023 4:16 AM
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You guys seriously complaining about less-comedic scene in the remake, but on the other side praised Tsuioku-hen OVA that was cut every single comedic scene from the manga itself.
| @Vicky96 I actually don't like the monotonically serious tone of the OVA btw. It's an astonishing production from the technical perspective, but from the narrative perspective, I think it's a very weak work. |
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Seriously, nobody going to mention it.It’s obviously because of the controversy about the author. He committed some heinous crimes and a lot people might boycott it for that reason. He got away mostly Scot-free for something most people would as despicable which forever tainted his legacy. The more closely wabizuki works with the harder it will become for people to ignore what he has done.
| @SatoruGeto lol what are you on about ? He never committed "heinous" crimes. Yes he shouldn't have that material on his pc, but he never himself touched anybody. Meaning his punishment (or lack of) is very justified. Which all sane people can see. Sadly, online and in the US not many sane people are left. That's the real issue here :) |
I'm not reading any replies or comments directed at me at all. I know my truth and if you disagree: that's fine but i couldn't give a damn about :) |
| I have nostalgic fondness for the 96 anime. It's what introduced me to RK in the first place and I'll always be grateful for that. That said, this is the RK adaptation I've been waiting for. Tell the original story without all the filler garbage the 96 one suffered from. |
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