The Executioner and Her Way of Life
| @ah_rin Uhh idk how to reply to two messages at once so I'll just do this here. Personally it's not her character I find a flaw with, just the way the anime portrayed it. Maybe it's better in the novel because novels have the leeway to add descriptive monologue without snapping you out from the experience but in the anime it felt like she wanted to be the villain but the way they framed everything made it feel like she was the hero. It's weird. They were adamant about showing how she was the one who was wronged but at the same time they didn't use the tragic hero troupe. Sure she's supposed to be emotionless but showing her straight face as she goes on about how she's the villain just makes her feel offputting. Maybe if she felt something, if there was a twitch in her lips or even the slightest bit of remorse. Or if she was just straight up a yandere. As things stand she doesn't have a personality indicative of her acts. Aside from work hours, she isn't even dead eyed emotionless. She's like an office worker whose office just happens to be a corpse manufacturing firm. I mean it might make sense since she was a pro but it makes her a really unrelatable (not in the self insert but understanding a character kind) and irking character to follow. The other fat boobied japan girl is just a bundle of troupes so I can't see why they couldn't have added even a single troupe to the righteous priest woman. And to answer the other points I would need to know why the Faust are in power and why the ether magic thing hasn't been used by the Noblesse yet. When they sent people to kill mennou why did it have to be normal foot soldiers. Cuz if they made it so that even after years of doing this, they Noblesse couldn't harness the power of ether or whatever it was I call BS. And if they did have the power of ether then it wouldn't make sense how an entire country's worth of manpower couldn't handle a single organisation. And how'd they also somehow manage to get every single summoned warrior murdered since Faust took the reigns? let me help you a lil bit comrade @Strykeryno first of all, I haven't even finished executioner light novel vol 1 yet but Ive read the manga until the end of archbishop orwell's betrayal I wonder where and in which part @ah_rin sees that the anime has portayed menou(?) as a hero tho? she USED to be emotionless, that was like 10 years ago lol right after she got physically and mentally bleached by the ivory girl BUTT in the flashback, its clearly Shown that after menou following flare all around the world, killing the lost ones and stuff...its also clearly Shown that RED (flare's color) started to dye ivory menou...its clearly portrayed in the anime quite literally you absolutely dont have to read manga or light novel to see and understand this part so yep its heavily implied that menou can feel something, and I think momo knows about her situation so she's quite reluctant leaving menou with akari iirc momo says something like, "sempai... you've never spent too much time with your target like this monster oppai have you...? its too dangerous... let me do your job for you" I get a feeling momo is scared of menou getting dyed by a new color thats akari's color, in the opening song even the singer says that menou used to be colorless why would you say "the nobles soldiers cannot use ether based magic?" Im confused... have you watched episode 1? they tried to lit menou on fire by using ether based magic tho BUTT it didnt work cuz menou pulled a freaking kekkei genkai to nullify the attack lol do you know the saw looking threads that momo used to fight princess ashuna? its also a kekkei genkai lol nobody knows nor be able to comprehend how that thing works except her, that said myb we could understand it if we become momo's disciple |
Lab_Rat_0978May 5, 2022 1:51 AM
| @Lab_Rat_0978 Mennou isn't getting called out explicitly as being a hero. But she's getting portrayed as one. Think of her as a vigilante instead of a villain. But instead of going full vigilante mode she's a tamer vigilante. Kinda like Robin ig. He follows Batman but isn't as dark as batman. In the Lego movie anyways. And then the part with Noblesse soldiers not being able to use ether based magic. Maybe I missed it but since you told me about it, it perplexes me more and goes to the statement I made before. If the Noblesse could use ether based magic how tf can an entire nations worth of magic using people not overthrow a terrorist cult? I would understand if they pulled an akatsuki thing but that was an organisation of the most OP people. But here mennou would have straight up died in the train fight. Also the OP song was mid so I skipped lol. But u usually don't watch the OP for the plot. And mennou has been 'bleached' but still feels stuff? Or she absorbs the people's emotions around her perhaps. That would mean that she should be a sociopath like flare was. But she seems like a normal person when not murdering children. What about being dyed pink by that other annoying character who simps after her? The problem is that Mennou is trying to be too much at once. And while yeah they literally show it, it only makes her character more convoluted. So you just see the surface level version of what she really is. The shield hero bitch who woke up and chose murder instead of gaslighting. Someone mentioned Eren committing genocide. And the problem with that is that entire arc was build up towards. The first 3 seasons were him being a victim. We got to understand him throughly and what led up to his actions. If they started the show off with eren committing genocide I doubt people would be fond of him. In virgin road they murder a dude in 6 minutes and are like anyways, pink girl x mennou yuri time. I just wanna understand mennou. |
| @ah_rin Mennou isn't getting called out explicitly as being a hero. But she's getting portrayed as one. Think of her as a vigilante instead of a villain. But instead of going full vigilante mode she's a tamer vigilante. Kinda like Robin ig. He follows Batman but isn't as dark as batman. In the Lego movie anyways. Idk much about robin but batman is someone who never kills people, even including bad people (criminals) isnt he? meanwhile flare and menou, teacher and disciple always kill people (the lost ones) for fun~ lol just kidding. they kill cuz they hate em, menou basically copied paste flare's motive And then the part with Noblesse soldiers not being able to use ether based magic. Maybe I missed it but since you told me about it, it perplexes me more and goes to the statement I made before. If the Noblesse could use ether based magic how tf can an entire nations worth of magic using people not overthrow a terrorist cult? once again, Ive only read the manga until the conclusion of archbishop orwell's betrayal so I could be wrong given how EASILY the church people captured and even Pinned the king himself on the Ground, quite literally Id reckon the Grisarika kingdom isnt that strong in military department, like where the hell is your imperial knights, bodyguards or something? so the Grisarika kingdom might just a smol kingdom compared to other kingdoms out there. who knows have you watched slime isekai or tensei shitara slime? if its in the slime world, the Grisarika kingdom is arguably similar to the blumund kingdom, its a pure FODDER compared to the ingracia kingdom, the dwarven kingdom, the falmuth kingdom and others even souei, would be able to solo the whole blumund kingdom with ease I would understand if they pulled an akatsuki thing but that was an organisation of the most OP people. But here mennou would have straight up died in the train fight. its already mentioned by flare in the flashback that almost everything about menou is Average, she's just Average compared to other executioners...especially momo, she's a monster among monsters Also the OP song was mid so I skipped lol. But u usually don't watch the OP for the plot. I usually do the same as you but since I mostly already knew what might happen in the anime, why not listen to the music? And mennou has been 'bleached' but still feels stuff? Or she absorbs the people's emotions around her perhaps. That would mean that she should be a sociopath like flare was. But she seems like a normal person when not murdering children. What about being dyed pink by that other annoying character who simps after her? yea? its similar to your clothes, even after getting bleached theyre Surely could get dirtied again arent they? lol youve gotte be kidding me bruh well yea? menou no longer has a pair of Blank Eyes like she had in the past? she barely felt a thing as a kid but now she's capable of TSUKKOMI all momo's yuri deeds with ease. how could you miss it? there are too many differences between kid menou and present menou The problem is that Mennou is trying to be too much at once. And while yeah they literally show it, it only makes her character more convoluted. So you just see the surface level version of what she really is. The shield hero bitch who woke up and chose murder instead of gaslighting. menou is just doing her job, butt she failed at killing akari so she asked archbishop orwell for advice. its as simple as that unfortunately its revealed that archbishop orwell BETRAYED the church, obviously she becomes menou's enemy now things arent that complicated, yet imo Someone mentioned Eren committing genocide. And the problem with that is that entire arc was build up towards. The first 3 seasons were him being a victim. We got to understand him throughly and what led up to his actions. If they started the show off with eren committing genocide I doubt people would be fond of him. I cant wait for attack on titan: next generation In virgin road they murder a dude in 6 minutes and are like anyways, pink girl x mennou yuri time. apparently you've forgotten there's another isekai girl getting killed in the first episode, why would you only mention the isekai boy? lol mind=blown right? |
Lab_Rat_0978May 5, 2022 3:07 AM
ah_rin said: Strykeryno said: Not really sure how to reply to this. What other reaction did you expect especially since it's apparent that she was doing this for quite some time already. But even without that, it was still clearly stated that she feels bad about it, but it's necessary evil that unfortunatelly has to be commited. Wasn't it because the ''bleaching'' ritual was hidden from noblesse and banned by Faust? Also from what i understand it's Archbishop that consipires not the entire Faust which are the ones that banned summoning in the 1st place. Still doesn't change the fact that the pure concepts grow more powerful and uncontrolable by each use. You will still have to get rid of them eventually. But they are summoned with intention to utilize their powers. Noblesse wants to utilize them in order to overthrow the Faust. Archbishop showed them how, because she needed a distraction for her experiments on kidnapped girls. But after she found out about Akari, her power was super convenient for her goal so at the end of the day even she wanted to utilize her power. I think it's too early for this claim. We still don't know if there are any other ways or groups getting Lost ones in their world for some reason. Still at least this seems like an actual take worth discussing unlike many others which make these ridiculous threads. Uhh idk how to reply to two messages at once so I'll just do this here. Personally it's not her character I find a flaw with, just the way the anime portrayed it. Maybe it's better in the novel because novels have the leeway to add descriptive monologue without snapping you out from the experience but in the anime it felt like she wanted to be the villain but the way they framed everything made it feel like she was the hero. It's weird. They were adamant about showing how she was the one who was wronged but at the same time they didn't use the tragic hero troupe. Sure she's supposed to be emotionless but showing her straight face as she goes on about how she's the villain just makes her feel offputting. Maybe if she felt something, if there was a twitch in her lips or even the slightest bit of remorse. Or if she was just straight up a yandere. As things stand she doesn't have a personality indicative of her acts. Aside from work hours, she isn't even dead eyed emotionless. She's like an office worker whose office just happens to be a corpse manufacturing firm. I mean it might make sense since she was a pro but it makes her a really unrelatable (not in the self insert but understanding a character kind) and irking character to follow. The other fat boobied japan girl is just a bundle of troupes so I can't see why they couldn't have added even a single troupe to the righteous priest woman. And to answer the other points I would need to know why the Faust are in power and why the ether magic thing hasn't been used by the Noblesse yet. When they sent people to kill mennou why did it have to be normal foot soldiers. Cuz if they made it so that even after years of doing this, they Noblesse couldn't harness the power of ether or whatever it was I call BS. And if they did have the power of ether then it wouldn't make sense how an entire country's worth of manpower couldn't handle a single organisation. And how'd they also somehow manage to get every single summoned warrior murdered since Faust took the reigns? Well, the anime iirc didn't show her thought of "if you didn't have powers then I wouldn't have to kill you", she actually feels bad for having to kill someone innocent but it is her work and she wants to do it so other people don't have to, I think that was mentioned in episode 5. And Menou isn't currently emotionless, she was when Flare found her, but she started to get personality again after some time. About the Noblesse, they can use ether, the thing they can't do is summon Lost Ones normally because they don't know how to do it. Not sure if the summoned warriors you are talking about are the Lost Ones, but the Faust can observe the astral vein in which they can see the disturbance of when someone is forcefully summoned there, like what happened in Grisarika, I'm not exactly sure what you mean but I answered what I think you meant. |
Rvein said: well I mean did I ever address the hater in general? I think I already made a specific target which are those WHO WATCH THE ANIME JUST TO HATE IT ANYWAY. there're people that live to only hate things by simply downrating stuff because they simply hate the very existence of it, and due to that base of reasoning, rationality is not necessary to support their opinion. I would say I'm not a perfect person myself and I do hate things too, but that will not justify me to just merely downrate stuff bc you WANTED to hate it. If I were them I wouldn't even care about giving this anime hate (attention) anyway. also, a lot of people would justify their opinion bc they simply have the right over it and I do agree about that, but I think now it's different since many can't differentiate argumentative/rational opinion to HATE. hope after this it would clear things out since my comment was intended to trigger a degen that I've mentioned above not someone like you who seems to be very rational. *edit I kinda want to tag the degens here but I'm afraid by looking at what they gonna write alone will explode my mind to nth dimension lol Thanks, that really clears things up, I understand what you meant now and I agree with everything that you're saying since those types of people are real assholes. I'm sorry for misunderstanding what you were trying to say, and I apologize for the assumptions I made of you. Hope you're doing well mate. |
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hassan-san said: Idk, man. I just can't find myself rooting for Menou considering what she has done. Killing bunch of Innocents for weird reason. It's one thing if the one she kills already gone too far but another thing if she kills someone slightly overstep their boundary. I read a bit further in manga and still can't find any reason to root for her. theyre not even humans btw, the lost ones are legit interdimensional humanoid aliens who could literally destroy the world by accident lol you would definitely root for menou iF THESE Aliens popping up iRL, they're a lot worse than edgy emo kids carrying guns on the street pure concepts are like a billion times more dangerous than one gun or two |
hassan-san said: Idk, man. I just can't find myself rooting for Menou considering what she has done. Killing bunch of Innocents for weird reason. It's one thing if the one she kills already gone too far but another thing if she kills someone slightly overstep their boundary. I read a bit further in manga and still can't find any reason to root for her. Well, there's a reason why they kill the Lost Ones even if they are kinda innocent. I'm sure you already saw what they're capable of doing if left doing anything, so it isn't a weird reason. I'm sure you saw about the girl that turned into white Menou's town even if by accident, but there are also the Four Great Human Errors which tells you enough why they don't one Lost Ones going around there. |
hassan-san said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: theyre not even humans btw, the lost ones are legit interdimensional humanoid aliens who could literally destroy the world by accident lol you would definitely root for menou iF THESE Aliens popping up iRL, they're a lot worse than edgy emo kids carrying guns on the street pure concepts are like a billion times more dangerous than one gun or two I mean it doesn't get conveyed well (to me at least) how dangerous they're, so I'm not really buying any of that. Also I find it weird about her insistence on killing Akari after they've been together for so long. I'll only be able to root for her if she's on redemption path. But seeing how she still want to kill Akari in the end I think she won't redempt her way of live ever. Compared to this Latna Saga does a lot better job in regard of conveying how "Isekai'd person" are very dangerous. In Latna Saga it is because . there's a Whole Continent getting turned into Salt btw Had the Church not taking a drastic measure to stop it, all the Continents in the world would've been turned into Salt as well Are we even Watching the Same anime? lol there are other 4 Major Calamities caused by the lost ones |
| I went into this blind, and I was too dumb to even pay attention to the girl lying on the ground dead in front of the MC, who she obviously executed, as per the title. I think it's a really awful twist if you don't know that the boy is going to die, but I realize now that it's not supposed to be a twist at all, you're pretty much expected to know that this will be the outcome. Granted, in the anime it's way more happy and upbeat than it's portrayed in the LN, so that messes with your head a bit. I have to assume the majority of people would read the synopsis or pick up on the clues if they were paying attention, but then there's a pretty negative reception to this anime overall, so maybe not. Oh, but that yuri/comedy scene in a darker series like this gave me Akame Ga Kill vibes and was an instant turnoff, might revisit the show later. |
LostSpectreMay 20, 2022 7:29 PM
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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