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Apr 22, 2022 4:33 AM
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First of all, I enjoy this show immensely and am very much looking forward to future episodes. Secondly, I know this is an anime, a fictional work, norlt some historical documentation. Still, for all it's worth, here are some inaccuracies I've found.

Episode 1:

- Kongming thinking he's in hell. The Chinese conception of hell followed the spread of Buddhism,which had only just started at Kongming's time. While he probably was aware of this new foreign Religion appearing, his personal view of the afterlife is More likely to have been traditional Chinese of the time, which was varied and contained the ideas of abiding with deities and ancestors in the heavens; living in a subterranean place very much like the living world called the Yellow Springs 黃泉; or bring confined in a subterranean court 地府 beneath Mount Tai; none of which were places of torment.

- Him claiming making cocktails being easier than cooking tea. While tea was known to the ancient Chinese, it wasn't a popular beverage yet, mainly being used medically. The most common drinks in Kongming's time were water and wine of several varieties of fermented grains. Tea only became popular during the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), prior to which it was even scornfully called the "Slave of Yogurt" 酪奴 in Northern China, liquid yogurt being the drink of choice of the prior era.

Episode 3:

- The Qipao girl. The origin of the Qipao is the ethnic clothing of the Manchu, a North-East Asian ethnicity which conquered China in early 17th century and established the last recognized imperial dynasty, the Qing dynasty (1644-1912). Furthermore, the Qipao didn't reach the form shown in the anime prior to 1920's Republican China. Thus, it should look just as foreign to Kongming as modern Japanese clothing.

- 36 Stratagems. The first use of this term is in the Book of Qi, a history book covering the time from 479 to 502. Even so, at the time the term was figurative, the "36" signifying "a multitude" instead of its numerical value, with the formulation of the actual list of 36 stratagems having occurred at an unknown time in posterity.

Well, that's all from me for now. Cheers
Apr 22, 2022 5:31 AM
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whoa, this was quite educational and interesting. thanks for posting, op! i really appreciate good threads like these among all the other bad ones.
Apr 22, 2022 6:11 AM
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LiQiushui said:
First of all, I enjoy this show immensely and am very much looking forward to future episodes. Secondly, I know this is an anime, a fictional work, norlt some historical documentation. Still, for all it's worth, here are some inaccuracies I've found.

Episode 1:

- Kongming thinking he's in hell. The Chinese conception of hell followed the spread of Buddhism,which had only just started at Kongming's time. While he probably was aware of this new foreign Religion appearing, his personal view of the afterlife is More likely to have been traditional Chinese of the time, which was varied and contained the ideas of abiding with deities and ancestors in the heavens; living in a subterranean place very much like the living world called the Yellow Springs 黃泉; or bring confined in a subterranean court 地府 beneath Mount Tai; none of which were places of torment.

- Him claiming making cocktails being easier than cooking tea. While tea was known to the ancient Chinese, it wasn't a popular beverage yet, mainly being used medically. The most common drinks in Kongming's time were water and wine of several varieties of fermented grains. Tea only became popular during the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), prior to which it was even scornfully called the "Slave of Yogurt" 酪奴 in Northern China, liquid yogurt being the drink of choice of the prior era.

Episode 3:

- The Qipao girl. The origin of the Qipao is the ethnic clothing of the Manchu, a North-East Asian ethnicity which conquered China in early 17th century and established the last recognized imperial dynasty, the Qing dynasty (1644-1912). Furthermore, the Qipao didn't reach the form shown in the anime prior to 1920's Republican China. Thus, it should look just as foreign to Kongming as modern Japanese clothing.

- 36 Stratagems. The first use of this term is in the Book of Qi, a history book covering the time from 479 to 502. Even so, at the time the term was figurative, the "36" signifying "a multitude" instead of its numerical value, with the formulation of the actual list of 36 stratagems having occurred at an unknown time in posterity.

Well, that's all from me for now. Cheers
that's pretty cool, hope you continue doing this for further episodes. I'll be really honest, my ancient Chinese history ain't strong hence I am lost at times when they are on screen.
Apr 22, 2022 6:57 AM
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finally, an interesting thread for once
Apr 22, 2022 7:07 AM
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Interesting, didn't expect to learn something new in the MAL forums of all places. I've been planning to watch this show but now I just might have to start it sooner than expected.
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Apr 22, 2022 1:33 PM
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thank you guys, I'm positively stoked this was so well received! I was actually prepared for being booed into the ground, haha. I'll definitely add to this if something else appears :)
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Apr 22, 2022 1:35 PM
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Thank you, truly helpful!
Apr 22, 2022 2:21 PM
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Cool thread. Looking forward to this for future episodes as well, if you're planning to do those as well.
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Apr 22, 2022 10:05 PM
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Finally, a really helpful thread in recent MAL threads(not just threads in this anime).
Apr 28, 2022 9:27 PM
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Another thing is that Eiko's name is a direct reference to Zhuge Liang's wife's name, known in legend as Huang Yueying (黃月英). Yue = Tsuki in Tsukimi, Ying = Ei in Eiko. Also "Huang" literally means yellow, and Eiko has blonde hair.

So he's basically helping his waifu lol.
Apr 28, 2022 11:22 PM
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This post is awesome. It will also be used by the haters in the future mark my words
Apr 30, 2022 1:17 AM

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damn,this is really cool
Apr 30, 2022 2:03 AM

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You’re somewhat off. Qipao’s origin is Manchu AND Han , it’s a fusion. And the tea part… wrong, tea was popular, across all of China at the time, and yogurt only being more popular among nomads/tribes occupying northern China, what they called tea is irrelevant since Kongming was from southcentral China.
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I'm a fan of the three kingdoms period and just found out this show exists. I saw an edit of the OP that had zhuge liang from the 90's ROTK live action show instead and was bewildered, now it makes sense, lol. I'm gonna have to check it out.
Apr 30, 2022 11:53 AM
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fearlubu said:
I'm a fan of the three kingdoms period and just found out this show exists. I saw an edit of the OP that had zhuge liang from the 90's ROTK live action show instead and was bewildered, now it makes sense, lol. I'm gonna have to check it out.


LOL I need the link to this vid, please! I've seen some scenes from the 90's live action show and I'm loving this anime :D
Jun 6, 2022 6:35 PM
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Vinicacto said:
fearlubu said:
I'm a fan of the three kingdoms period and just found out this show exists. I saw an edit of the OP that had zhuge liang from the 90's ROTK live action show instead and was bewildered, now it makes sense, lol. I'm gonna have to check it out.


LOL I need the link to this vid, please! I've seen some scenes from the 90's live action show and I'm loving this anime :D


Took a bit to find, but here we are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHajB8Wa89U

While we're on the subject, the 1994 show is finally being subbed (well) by Gentlemen of the Han fansubs! Check em out if kongming catches your fancy.
fearlubuJul 13, 2022 2:53 AM
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Thank you for this wonderful thread
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