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Aug 26, 2021 2:23 AM
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I wasn't expecting this much background story for this match of the tournament.

Peyote Diaz faces off against a very determined Chocolove. I like the Ayer Rocks reference this episode though, a neat little addition to the episode's elements.
Aug 26, 2021 2:37 AM
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This episode was soooo close to perfection. All they had to do was to cut the ED and fully play the alley scene

So close. Otherwise a really good episode
Aug 26, 2021 9:46 AM
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I'm amazed๐Ÿ˜„ Perfection ๐Ÿ”ฅ
Aug 26, 2021 10:59 AM
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This episode was amazing. The animation is getting better and better๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ”ฅ And everything is finally coming together๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
Aug 26, 2021 7:50 PM
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Interesting backstory for Chocolove. The whole "let's stop nonsense violence by making people laugh" thing still sounds kinda forced tho.

Anyways, that aside, I wasn't really expecting Chocolove to be the most violent member in Yoh's group.
Aug 27, 2021 3:53 AM
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Now This is what i'm talking about, Great Storytelling....
Aug 27, 2021 4:40 AM
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Feel like I'm missing more backstory with Chocolove's development with Shaft being cut short or something? After killing the old man then seeing them at the tournament they're just still friends?




"๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌'๐Ÿ‡ธ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌ ๐Ÿ‡จ‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌'๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌ ๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌. ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฏ‌๐Ÿ‡บ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฉ‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌'๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡ฉ‌๐Ÿ‡บ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฌ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡ฒ‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌."

Aug 27, 2021 5:52 AM
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Peyote Diaz vs. Chocolove, and the former got more than he warranted for by manipulating Boz for his gain.

The latter's Christmas backstory feels a lot different than whom he was before all hell broke loose. To make friends with this comedic punny old man Olona who uses laughter to save the world and simultaneously a Shaman fighter with the jaguar Mic, fate draws for Chocolove a 2nd chance away from his former Shaft gang who knows nothing but drawing from anger and violence.

His Gag Wind Oversoul against Peyote, as forced as it is, makes for an unique power that only Chocolove can do, and Ren assisted in decimating the team with Bason. I've gotta admit that Chocolove, as weird as he is with his taught "saving the world with laughter" mantra, he's someone that I can admire, and that's a win for Ren's team.

Oh ho, Lyserg is part of the X-Laws for real?
Aug 27, 2021 6:23 AM
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MrAddict said:
Feel like I'm missing more backstory with Chocolove's development with Shaft being cut short or something? After killing the old man then seeing them at the tournament they're just still friends?


They aren't still friends, Chocolove made them his friends. Instead of letting his anger control him and taking revenge, the most brutal killer in Shaft chose to forgive and save them. We do not see the process neither in the anime nor the manga, but the shot where all of them are paying respects by the grave shows us that he was able to get across to them and they all realized that they DO have a choice.

It's honestly very heartwarming that Chocolove didn't abandon shaft after turning over a new leaf, instead he first helped them just how his master helped him.

And frankly, I love the notion that they came to support him in the tournament even if they can not see ghosts and basically have no idea what is happening 90% of the time.
Aug 27, 2021 9:11 AM

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Well I'm glad that part's over and done with. I remember it from the original anime and always thought it was so stupid.
Anyway best girl is finally showing up next episode. THE HYPE!
Aug 27, 2021 12:50 PM

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TakafumiNaito said:
MrAddict said:
Feel like I'm missing more backstory with Chocolove's development with Shaft being cut short or something? After killing the old man then seeing them at the tournament they're just still friends?


They aren't still friends, Chocolove made them his friends. Instead of letting his anger control him and taking revenge, the most brutal killer in Shaft chose to forgive and save them. We do not see the process neither in the anime nor the manga, but the shot where all of them are paying respects by the grave shows us that he was able to get across to them and they all realized that they DO have a choice.

It's honestly very heartwarming that Chocolove didn't abandon shaft after turning over a new leaf, instead he first helped them just how his master helped him.

And frankly, I love the notion that they came to support him in the tournament even if they can not see ghosts and basically have no idea what is happening 90% of the time.


Ahh, makes more sense now thanks! Was afraid I was missing the context of the story again due to the pacing changes.




"๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌'๐Ÿ‡ธ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌ ๐Ÿ‡จ‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌'๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌ ๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌. ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฏ‌๐Ÿ‡บ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฉ‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌'๐Ÿ‡น‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡ฉ‌๐Ÿ‡บ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฌ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ต‌๐Ÿ‡ด‌๐Ÿ‡ฎ‌๐Ÿ‡ณ‌๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ช‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌ ๐Ÿ‡ธ‌๐Ÿ‡ฒ‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌ ๐Ÿ‡น‌๐Ÿ‡ฆ‌๐Ÿ‡ฑ‌๐Ÿ‡ฐ‌๐Ÿ‡ธ‌."

Aug 27, 2021 2:05 PM
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The animation quality reached lows I've last seen in cartoon made during WWII on a tight budget
Aug 27, 2021 2:25 PM

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Chocolove’s backstory was pretty hard to watch. But in a very realistic way, he used comedy to cope with the pain of his past. Ayers Rock was dope, loved the animation during his Oversoul. One question I’ve got is why is he cool with the people that killed his sensei? Like it’s not enough forgiveness or comedy in the world for me to do that(assuming that the people we see cheering for him are the same ones in the flashback)
Aug 27, 2021 2:57 PM
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Chocolove’s backstory was pretty hard to watch. But in a very realistic way, he used comedy to cope with the pain of his past. Ayers Rock was dope, loved the animation during his Oversoul. One question I’ve got is why is he cool with the people that killed his sensei? Like it’s not enough forgiveness or comedy in the world for me to do that(assuming that the people we see cheering for him are the same ones in the flashback)


Whole theme of Shaman King is reaching Zen. Forgive others, forgive yourself, be one with nature, stay calm, stay happy, stay humble, stay bright, etc etc.

Chocolove basically the one who do comedy (with oversoul Mic) to shaft people, to erase their violence. He erase his own anger... since you can't make people laugh and happy if you hold an anger or grudges
Aug 27, 2021 3:20 PM

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Pandhan said:
Marinate1016 said:
Chocolove’s backstory was pretty hard to watch. But in a very realistic way, he used comedy to cope with the pain of his past. Ayers Rock was dope, loved the animation during his Oversoul. One question I’ve got is why is he cool with the people that killed his sensei? Like it’s not enough forgiveness or comedy in the world for me to do that(assuming that the people we see cheering for him are the same ones in the flashback)


Whole theme of Shaman King is reaching Zen. Forgive others, forgive yourself, be one with nature, stay calm, stay happy, stay humble, stay bright, etc etc.

Chocolove basically the one who do comedy (with oversoul Mic) to shaft people, to erase their violence. He erase his own anger... since you can't make people laugh and happy if you hold an anger or grudges


Yea nah that’s dumb as fuck.
Aug 27, 2021 4:28 PM

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ChocoLove the master of forgiveness through making his enemies laugh
Aug 27, 2021 9:35 PM
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this episode was pretty good :0
Aug 27, 2021 9:41 PM
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Yea nah that’s dumb as fuck.


So you suggesting that Chocolove would have better written if he was a hypocrite that only talks big shit and can't back it up? ^^'
Aug 27, 2021 10:29 PM

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Chocolove the man, he's a lot cooler than I thought he'd be.
Aug 27, 2021 10:47 PM

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Marinate1016 said:


Yea nah that’s dumb as fuck.


So you suggesting that Chocolove would have better written if he was a hypocrite that only talks big shit and can't back it up? ^^'


Yea we get that back in blood
Aug 28, 2021 4:09 AM

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Chocolove's backstory was so dark.
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Aug 28, 2021 12:19 PM
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Chocolove's past appearing on the show is there were things that he really got stronger with the fight, with his Master's death it was very sad.
Aug 28, 2021 12:35 PM

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Soooo Chocolove was a cold blooded killer? Totally didn't expect that type of backstory. If he truly learned forgiveness, shouldn't he seek it. The kid he was supposed to have received that toy cop car should pop up as his arch enemy.
Aug 28, 2021 2:50 PM
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chocolove :(

I like him a lot more now


I also like the comedy bit with ren at the end. It made a nice contrast to the majority of the episode



Aug 30, 2021 3:40 AM
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It's surprising to get such a dark backstory for Chocolove but it was great, and team Ren won the 1st match... damn that annoying Lyzerg at the end
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Soooo Chocolove was a cold blooded killer? Totally didn't expect that type of backstory. If he truly learned forgiveness, shouldn't he seek it. The kid he was supposed to have received that toy cop car should pop up as his arch enemy.


If you don't mind spoilers,
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dragynfaerie said:
Soooo Chocolove was a cold blooded killer? Totally didn't expect that type of backstory. If he truly learned forgiveness, shouldn't he seek it. The kid he was supposed to have received that toy cop car should pop up as his arch enemy.


If you don't mind spoilers,


ahhhh interesting. thanks
Aug 31, 2021 2:36 PM
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is murder legal in the shaman king universe or something, they seem to get away with it very easily
Aug 31, 2021 2:39 PM
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chocolove :(

I like him a lot more now


I also like the comedy bit with ren at the end. It made a nice contrast to the majority of the episode

cause he killed a load of people?
Oct 19, 2021 2:53 PM

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Man what a stupid fight and Ren ends it with one blow haha
Nov 3, 2021 4:40 PM

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Because of the team requirement, we have cultures interacting that you wouldn't expect. Mariachi and Japanese Buddhist monks.

And now for Chocolove's backstory.

Too highbrow humor indeed (Chi=blood).

Shaft ended up supporting him at the Shaman Fight, that's nice.

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Feb 20, 2023 4:13 PM
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This episode hit all the stereotypes.
May 14, 2023 4:30 AM

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Chocolove Ayers rock. WTH?!?. "the kangaroo is my own touch" xDDD
Chocolove's backstory got little rushed, but I feel we got the important points. and unlike Ryuu's training "arc", it was paced much better.

Seriously the animation got much better since this tournament started.
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The exchanges are poorly written and the build up always end in disappointment.

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