Sword Art Online Progressive (light novel)
Can Progressive make a success by removing the hatred that SAO get
ManWild said: ig so, sad Progressive IS the best game series from what I've seen, now everything is in the hands of A-1 picturesEven if this tuns out as a masterpiece, the og series is so famous that people are gonna still hate sao as a whole |
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NotKistofe said: And I will say everything you said is wrong in Progressive although it gets better with time, don't expect Progressive to be better at the beginning, it takes time to devolopSao is objectively a bad show. Story wise it’s terrible and the characters has no character. Only reason I watched it was because it was kind of enjoyable at times |
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Tharuth said: yes it adds more and that is the reason progressive is made but the THING is Reki said himself that he had to change some things, in the main series Aincrad Kirito again met Asuna almost after 1½ years later after the 1st floor boss but in Progressive that doesn't happen, because Reki said he didn't want also fans didn't want Kirito to be with some other girls other than Asuna in Aincrad, so since Progressive is gonna be a hell long show, Asuna would've almost no screentime at the beginning and Romance would be pale so he decided to change the setting by making Kirito and Asuna meet sooner and stick together so that it Fans might like it and also put some meaning to SAO's romance.marcohilber said: lol^^ have fun reading ;) Also, Progressive changes nothing from main continuity, only fills things in. Use the LNs as your reference rather than Intergral Factor or whatever else you’re using. Sachi still exists, Kizmel will still die, SAO is still cleared in 75 Floors, Asuna will still split off from Kirito and join the KoB, Kirito and Asuna’s duel on the 56th Floor, etc. That IS a big change |
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DooMWhite said: Same thought, since Alicization SAO gets better even haters states that, and they shouldn't change anything from the novels for God's sake, idk if this movie turn out to be like the NovelsDepends on how much they will change from the original SAOP... It makes me pretty mad that after all this shit they still have the courage to add original stuff to this movie. |
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Biswa_29 said: I get that, even now people divide SAO into SAO nad Alicization, I felt so sad about that, and I feel like it'll get divided again, I just want people to stop thinking it's bad without giving it a try, it's not like someone will get a masterpiece show at ep 1Progressive can be a great series by itself but if you think it'll remove the hatred from sao as a whole then that's pretty wishful thinking. |
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Anayan_Kashyap said: DooMWhite said: Same thought, since Alicization SAO gets better even haters states that, and they shouldn't change anything from the novels for God's sake, idk if this movie turn out to be like the NovelsDepends on how much they will change from the original SAOP... It makes me pretty mad that after all this shit they still have the courage to add original stuff to this movie. It's a pretty big deal, cuz the manga changes so much from the novel, it doesn't even compare IMO, even the genre is fucking different. |
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DooMWhite said: yes exactly, SAO manga is very bad, I just feel so sad, Progressive manga is bad, it makes Kirito look so bad worse than the main series but in the novel they devolop more and seems different from the main series, so the anime much follows the novel shouldn't change their characters, it's OK to add something extra and add more emotions to the show but they definitely shouldn't change the characters from the Novel,Anayan_Kashyap said: Same thought, since Alicization SAO gets better even haters states that, and they shouldn't change anything from the novels for God's sake, idk if this movie turn out to be like the Novels It's a pretty big deal, cuz the manga changes so much from the novel, it doesn't even compare IMO, even the genre is fucking different. |
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| I dont know. Read every progressive LN so far, but going of of the trailer it seems like they added another character, resulting in altering the story. So the assumable reception of the movie is unpredictable. |
Gu1do said: what do you think if they exactly copied the LN, what is your assumption about the score it will get(not important idc about the score as because s1 and S2 are overhated and S3 is painfully underrated) so just iyo what do you think it'll be....I dont know. Read every progressive LN so far, but going of of the trailer it seems like they added another character, resulting in altering the story. So the assumable reception of the movie is unpredictable. |
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Anayan_Kashyap said: Gu1do said: what do you think if they exactly copied the LN, what is your assumption about the score it will get(not important idc about the score as because s1 and S2 are overhated and S3 is painfully underrated) so just iyo what do you think it'll be....I dont know. Read every progressive LN so far, but going of of the trailer it seems like they added another character, resulting in altering the story. So the assumable reception of the movie is unpredictable. Not necesarrily an exact score. But the story is much better and better fleshed out in the progressive LN than anywhere other SAO related. Character development makes sense etc. Reception would be much better than the original im sure. But there will always be people that hate on it just for it having the name SAO attached to it. Cant get rid of those... |
Niko1987 said: It's a movie, not a series Just came back to looking at the runtime, WTF a movie? -yeets out- honestly thought it was gonna be a season. still trash now. |
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OppaiSugoi said: nope its good you should watch it. Rec btwNiko1987 said: It's a movie, not a series Just came back to looking at the runtime, WTF a movie? -yeets out- honestly thought it was gonna be a season. still trash now. |
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chriskor022 said: OppaiSugoi said: nope its good you should watch it. Rec btwJust came back to looking at the runtime, WTF a movie? -yeets out- honestly thought it was gonna be a season. still trash now. I probably will watch it, probably will rate it low, and go about my day not recommending trash. |
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LancerMochi996 said: YES, you are right, but actually SAO PROGRESSIVE was not from Asuna's PoV, ig the move did it one time to make it interesting. Can I ask something? From what I understood of the new trailer, Is this the 1st SAO but in the perspective of Asuna this time and more detailed explanation or not? The LN is narrated by Kirito, from Kirito's PoV. Yes it explains floor 1 in detail, |
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wokkel said: MANGA IS ABSOLUTELY BAD, EVEN WORSE THAN MAIN STORY. TRY READING THR LN, the LN has a different story than the Manga. The manga follows it's own story. The LN is worth to buy and the anime will adapt the LN.While I have read the manga and i know that it is an big improvement of the original story, I still think sao(p) will get a lot of hate because it is just a popular thing to do. i also do not like the original sao but i like the concept and the world of aincrad. so it is nice to see a remake version with a better pacing and better writing. |
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| Even is SAOP is much better than the original, it's not as though it'll will retroactively improve it. There'll still be plenty to justifiably hate about the series, there'll just be another option to direct prospective viewers toward to improve their experience of the franchise. |
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Thigh_Tide said: I didn't in understand what you mean, can you are to explain a bit better. But Progressive fixes almost all things of vol 1 of og Aincrad, so I don't quite think there is many reasons to hate. Also character development were good, so characters were no more to hate. I don't quite find what is left to hate for progressive that was hated in the main series.Even is SAOP is much better than the original, it's not as though it'll will retroactively improve it. There'll still be plenty to justifiably hate about the series, there'll just be another option to direct prospective viewers toward to improve their experience of the franchise. |
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Anayan_Kashyap said: Thigh_Tide said: I didn't in understand what you mean, can you are to explain a bit better. But Progressive fixes almost all things of vol 1 of og Aincrad, so I don't quite think there is many reasons to hate. Also character development were good, so characters were no more to hate. I don't quite find what is left to hate for progressive that was hated in the main series.Even is SAOP is much better than the original, it's not as though it'll will retroactively improve it. There'll still be plenty to justifiably hate about the series, there'll just be another option to direct prospective viewers toward to improve their experience of the franchise. I mean that once SAOP is out, the original SAO will still exist. You would still be able to go back to it and criticise what it did wrong. Everything may all be fixed in the new version of the story that is Progressive, but it wouldn't completely erase the first version from being a thing that can be read or watched. |
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Thigh_Tide said: Tbh I don't think SAO is that bad as people say, they just rate it without watching, that's what the new anime watchers do. Sad. But ig you are true.Anayan_Kashyap said: I didn't in understand what you mean, can you are to explain a bit better. But Progressive fixes almost all things of vol 1 of og Aincrad, so I don't quite think there is many reasons to hate. Also character development were good, so characters were no more to hate. I don't quite find what is left to hate for progressive that was hated in the main series. I mean that once SAOP is out, the original SAO will still exist. You would still be able to go back to it and criticise what it did wrong. Everything may all be fixed in the new version of the story that is Progressive, but it wouldn't completely erase the first version from being a thing that can be read or watched. |
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Zac22 said: I don't agree what anything you said, the only thing I agree is that in the movie Asuna gets more importance and the movie seems to cut off Kirito's devolopment a little, which seems bad, his devolopment is really really good believe me, he is very different from the Main series same goes with Asuna. The romance gets good time and floor by floor the explanation is really good. Although you won't find sudden character devolopments in Only the 1st floor, it takes time a little but it does get better.Anayan_Kashyap said: What do you guys think, will SAOP be successful in overcoming the hatred I don't know,but I have a little hope in this movie. Yeah,I don't really like sao. The only arc that I barely enjoyed was the aincrad arc. Half of s1 is not even about sao,with a different game,a siscon and a pervert. S2,we got a crossdressing,a new evil guy from sao that we've never seen in s1,and excalibur arc was boring af with no purpose,and then asuna took the mc spot completely for some reason. S3,we got ai world and a war. Tbh,it becomes soo nonesense after ep 14 of s1. We barely know how the game system works,how they level up,and how they've been surviving till floor 75. After they cleared floor 1,the story is not even about survive or fighting,but rather a drama and romance. So I hope this movie will fix these thing. Though it's a shame that this movies mc seems to be asuna. That's already a minus for me. If sao have a one only good point,that's a good fight with a good animation. Yes SAO is from Kirito's PoV so even I didn't like that Asuna's PoV thing too much but even so the story of Mito and Asuna looks promising. Plz try it bro, the LN is really good. So give the movie a chance. |
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| 'Remove', no. SAO to most will always remain that 'generic isekai harem show where the protag has godly powers and no character', because that's the core of the show and its main appeal despite the show's attempt at numerous instances to become something else. Sure some have simply jumped on the bandwagon of hate which is obviously unfortunate but not completely unwarranted either, not everyone's got time to sit through 25+ hours of a fairly average show with some red flags, only to arrive at the conclusion 'hey that wasn't as bad as those youtubers and malreviews said', I certainly don't do it very often myself. From what I've heard and what I've read about Progressive (have not read the manga or the LN myself), I'm hoping it'll be something I can at least now recommend people interested in SAO to start with, before the series deteriorates into something significantly more shallow for a massive amount of time. Essentially turning the show from 'interesting premise and high production value with an unfortunate lack of compelling characters/plot' into a 'decent sandwich', with a fairly good start, a pretty awful middle, and finishing with some good art even though the plot may leave a sour taste at the end (I got so bored in the middle of Underworld because of the sheer predictability and underdeveloped new characters that season's been on hold for a long time now). I'm really rooting for Progressive to be good, given that Aincrad was the only bit that seemed to have some potential for me (a potential I don't think was met), most of the subsequent stuff I just felt compelled to watch out of obligation since I've started the series. |
Abysmal_Saint76 said: VirgilVerne said: To be honest you don't have to recommend Progressive to people who is already interested in SAO. Every SAO fan know it is brilliant. My point is People who like SAO will of course watch it by any means. Also we all know how rude, toxic and bias MAL users are towards SAO community. They literally think liking SAO is a sin and view their fan as a criminal or mistakes. There is no positively written negative reviews about SAO in this platform all is trashing and bitching Author, SAO and its fan. They literally disrespect anyone and anything related to SAO like SAO should not exist or it is devil incarnation which is coming to purge them all.'Remove', no. SAO to most will always remain that 'generic isekai harem show where the protag has godly powers and no character', because that's the core of the show and its main appeal despite the show's attempt at numerous instances to become something else. Sure some have simply jumped on the bandwagon of hate which is obviously unfortunate but not completely unwarranted either, not everyone's got time to sit through 25+ hours of a fairly average show with some red flags, only to arrive at the conclusion 'hey that wasn't as bad as those youtubers and malreviews said', I certainly don't do it very often myself. From what I've heard and what I've read about Progressive (have not read the manga or the LN myself), I'm hoping it'll be something I can at least now recommend people interested in SAO to start with, before the series deteriorates into something significantly more shallow for a massive amount of time. Essentially turning the show from 'interesting premise and high production value with an unfortunate lack of compelling characters/plot' into a 'decent sandwich', with a fairly good start, a pretty awful middle, and finishing with some good art even though the plot may leave a sour taste at the end (I got so bored in the middle of Underworld because of the sheer predictability and underdeveloped new characters that season's been on hold for a long time now). I'm really rooting for Progressive to be good, given that Aincrad was the only bit that seemed to have some potential for me (a potential I don't think was met), most of the subsequent stuff I just felt compelled to watch out of obligation since I've started the series. My point is SAO is not as bad as they think off and nothing is pure perfection in this world even their best shows will have flaws. Not really, a lot of people who aren't dedicated anime watchers are interested in SAO because it's one of the most popular series in the recent decade, but have probably tangentially heard of the hate. My point is to these people I'd never recommend SAO as it is right now because it's just not worth their time (unless they explicitly wanted to see a generic power fantasy with episodic harem, poor character work and great visuals/sounds). And Progressive might change that so I can say it's got more substance and legitimately sound character development, contrary to what the vocal haters say. |
Sachiko13 said: I still fail to understand why SAO got so much hate. It's a great quality light novel, and the anime, while not all that amazing, was still much better than anything we get nowadays. Is it just a mainstream rule to hate it or somethig? Seems most likely that its people accepting what some specific youtubers have said before forming their own opinions. Even more likely to happen if they started watching it after they adopted someone else's opinion. And since they have the validation of those youtubers or whom ever they look up to, they became the loudest, overly confident preachers on all social platforms. I have no doubt its the case with many animes, but its more noticeable with SAO because SAO actually has a large number of people who like it, it gets enough funds to be able to advertise and keep producing well drawn anime, giving plenty of opportunities for the haters to pretend they preach their own words and "shine" under the spotlight. The fact that they keep returning to SAO anime forum threads is evidence of something abnormal. I'm here because I want to watch it. They are here because... your guess is as good as mine :b |
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Anayan_Kashyap said: What do you guys think, will SAOP be successful in overcoming the hatred nah SAO is already too good but the reason many people hate it for is......... watch 0:30-1:00 so I dont think it will...... |
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| With it being a movie I doubt it would actually surpass the anime itself and make people not hate it as a whole. Such as if it's a normal movie length and if its a reboot of the series then it should be around an hour and thirtyish minutes. Which if they're trying to make a reboot out of that little time for an entire series they'd have to skip a crap ton of things to even make it in the time. But anyways we'll see how everything goes once it comes out. |
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-Lawrence- said: do some research before talking. This movie will show 1st 2eps of S1. 40mins will get extended to 90mins for 1 floor. And that's nice.With it being a movie I doubt it would actually surpass the anime itself and make people not hate it as a whole. Such as if it's a normal movie length and if its a reboot of the series then it should be around an hour and thirtyish minutes. Which if they're trying to make a reboot out of that little time for an entire series they'd have to skip a crap ton of things to even make it in the time. But anyways we'll see how everything goes once it comes out. |
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