Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen 2nd Season Episode 6 Discussion
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| I don't know how the anime can keep getting better like this. What a cute episode. Glad to see the head master feeling concern for Main specially after last week's episode. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
| Lutz's father wins the heart ! Really liked the episode where Lutz's family cared for him and know the problem to be a merchant. But Benno is realy supportive toward not only Mine but Lutz's as well.. I hope the next episode get to see more Mine doing the Church's duty. |
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| Finally a name to the head priest: Ferdinand. Neat. I get the feeling he has some complicated family issues, by the way he watched Lutz walk away with a happy ending for his family drama. I'm still annoyed with Lutz's family. They shit on his dreams this whole time, don't bother to take any interest in what he's working so hard for, and then they resolve it with that? I'd still be bitter even if I knew they still loved me deep down. Edit: Kami-Koto said: Yeah, the anime didn't really do a good job to explain his father's side of things. For people who want to know what was actually going on (copied from reddit cause I'm too lazy to write it myself) Very long story short, Died’s actual motivation is not ‘it’s dangerous’, his motivation is: ‘that level of work is not for apprentices, it is for dapla’s/journeymen and you shouldn’t be doing it while you are only an apprentice’ which is actually reasonable. Benno then offers a dapla contract (which Died is skeptical of because Lutz has only been working for a season), which causes Benno to explain they have a year long relationship etc., which Died was unaware of because he hasn’t taken interest in Lutz’s work. He sees Lutz as whining about work after only working for about 2-3 months, which he (reasonably) perceived as him being a whiny baby. He was also unaware that Lutz can read now, can do math, can ‘merchant’ etc., which he later actually realizes that means his son was working incredibly hard. In the anime he came off as an unreasonable, incurious, abusive dick. After reading this I have to say the anime did a really shitty job by cutting out these details. The resolution we got in the anime only left me confused and pissed off. |
VysarineMay 11, 2020 9:46 PM
| I know it was foreshadowed in the past about Lutz not having a great relationship with his family but the start did seem a bit abrupt, they could've made the transition a bit smoother. Aside from that, great episode again, i liked how it ended with the parents being in the right, far too many shows these days showcase parents as being nuisances or living in the past, so this was good to see. Ferdinand? |
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| Lutz's parents are not good with words. They're just worried for him :( |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
| oh god another great episode!!! this is why Myne need not to be bias on her own convenience! looks like High Priest Ferdinand (Aizen lolz) won this time! 5/5. |
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| The introduction of this episode is very disapointing, the resolution of the conflict is just "look there was no conflict", which is hardly understandable. Lutz' family clearly wanted him to stop working at benno's shop, and then for no reason at all they changed their mind and claimed they were never against lutz' wish... Although it is nice that this ended well, I feel disappointed by the lack of consistency. |
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Kami-Koto said: Yeah, the anime didn't really do a good job to explain his father's side of things. For people who want to know what was actually going on (copied from reddit cause I'm too lazy to write it myself) Thanks, I thought the disconnect felt odd in the anime so this clarification helped a lot. With that out of the way, my only annoyance at this point is Myne then. Her behavior pretty much makes the isekai element pointless to me. She acts her current age all the damn time; it rarely if ever comes across that there's a grown woman in there somewhere. |
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| Omg Main at the end was so cute and wholesome. When she started crying I was genuinely trying to hold the tears in. This was a really nice episode with a nice message behind it. |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Great episode. Not watching for three weeks made me miss this show so much. So we had a Lutz focused episode. I'm glad they were able to solve their problem. And Benno-san really cares about Lutz. Once again, another beautiful end card. |
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| Yeesh the writing in this episode was bad. The whole parent-child conflict plotline has been done to death in every moralizing coming-of-age story ever, but this time it was squeezed into a single episode with nothing to make it stand out. The author/screenwriter also appeared to be confused about what they were even trying to say, because the "lesson" was so muddled as to be unintelligible. Which is kind of sad considering how copy-paste the entire plot was. This show is quickly becoming tiresome for how preachy it is - especially when it struggles to maintain a basic standard of logic. |
| Man even I as viewer was a bit confused with what the heck the parents wanted, how could Lutz who is not even above the age of 10 able to understand them. I wonder what parts exactly they left out from the original source that would give a better explanation rather than a simple misunderstanding |
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Reapermask said: Man even I as viewer was a bit confused with what the heck the parents wanted, how could Lutz who is not even above the age of 10 able to understand them. I wonder what parts exactly they left out from the original source that would give a better explanation rather than a simple misunderstanding Yeah, it wasn't the best episode. They skimmed to much the LN, where explain so much better, and in more detail. But they must asumes that "who" watch the anime has read the LN's ... So easy job to skim to fit in a single episode. T_T |
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| *Jumps in real late* This ep was sort of alright? I'm here tho cause I'm super pissed Lutz had to apologize. He ran from home because he felt attacked and betrayed and he was then annoyed at work constantly in front of customers by people who yelled and unreasonably demanded his return - people of whom had to be told where he worked. Whenever he asks for clarification from his father he's yelled at and it takes multiple promptings from a third party to dig through what on earth the family mean. I don't mind the twist that the family were just really bad with words, but to me making Lutz apologize is terrible and sends a horrible message when, if anyone was at fault, it was his parents. Yes some people are bad with words, and some parents can't communicate their feelings and love to their children, but that doesn't make them good parents. |
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| Okay but I rewound the "Is he calling me a calculator!?" scene like three times; that was funny as hell and Myne's 'robot voice' made it even funnier. xD "KEISANKI TTE... WATASHI NO KOTO KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" |
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| Lutz's mom is an annoying, overbearing bitch and his dad's an abusive piece of shit whose only fate should be a gulliotine. "As the youngest of our children, he's had a somewhat spoiled upbringing-" Fucking retard, he's in a serious business making money at the age of seven. Just adopt him, Benno. And fuck off, Ascendance of a Bookworm. Don't tell me that emotional abuse is okay just so you don't tear the family apart. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Well.. All sides needed to talk, I guess.. Though, who knows if without mediator they would succeed.. So Ferdinand did job well too.. ;P Hm.. That look at Ferdinand in the end.. Well, at 19:33.. I wonder, if Ferdinand actually had problems with family as well in the past, and that's why he ended up in church.. Well, he did say in the past really that almost all people in church are not accepted by their families.. So yeah.. I imagine it probably made Ferdinand think about his own situation with family as well.. But who knows.. Maybe there is nothing he can do there, really.. We don't know anything about Ferdinand's situation.. And it's nice lesson for Myne as well.. As well as for all people, really.. What Ferdinand says at 20:08.. "Now you understand that one view on the situation isn't enough?.." Also, though, on the other hand.. Not always in reality we can afford to have ourselves to listen to all sides, though.. Majority of the time it's just impossible.. |
| Loved this. This show is trully amazing in write the characters to be exactly what they are expected to be. None adult act like childs. None child, even Myne, act like adults. Lutz was really overreacting, as a typical kid. His father is really stubborn, like a typical blue colar worker. Benno and Ferdinand are cautious and thougtfull, as they are expected to be. And you see the story envolve them in a very satisfying plot. This is amazing. This is one of a kind anime that makes me lose the interest in most of other anime for a long time. |
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| The writing in this second season is becoming seriously frustrating in places. Lutz's family have never approved of him becoming an apprentice merchant and if anything have been strongly opposed to it from the start, so why is this conflict only coming up now? It's been, what, at least a few months since he had his baptism and started working as an apprentice for Benno, so surely tensions about the issue woiuld have boiled over well before this point? Also, I swear any mentions of Lutz being adopted by Benno didn't come until after the argument at the start of the episode, so why in the meeting were they acting like Lutz had been trying to make it happen before? Did I miss something there or what? Ultimately, it just feels like Lutz was gaslit into making an apology when he wasn't even remotely in the wrong in this situation. Also, was the magic item allowing Ferdinand and Myne to communicate telepathically ever mentioned before? Feels like that just appeared out of nowhere for that one scene and possibly never again. |
| I guess things weren't that dramatic as they made it out to be. If they had just talked enough... but well atleast the situation around Lutz is resolved for good now. |
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I know I'm not the one who you answers to, and I'm two years later, but I'm rewatching it before the new season and I wanted to say some things: e-Michael said: I think the parents is worried and thought it's too early for a child to go to the other city [...] It's a valid concern, including the bit about the carriage, but they, as we are going to see often, didn't asked anything about it. e-Michael said: for the career issue, like they said the parents didn't know a thing about merchant, they couldn't feel secure about their child's future [...] Again, a valid concern, but also again, the ignorance of the parents is the problem: they were never interested in what Lutz did even after starting as an apprentice, of course they will not know anything about it. e-Michael said: and hey the both side were wrong. the parents couldn't expressing their thoughts properly that then lead them to misunderstanding. And here is where I highly disagree: the parents were the only ones wrong. Yes, they are worried, but this whole mess was exclusively because of them (as you recognized), because they didn't even try to understand what he did and even go and harass his workplace after he left the house. They really couldn't understand why he did it, don't they? "I never showed interest in your work, I pushed you and tell you that you can't do it, how is that you didn't understand that what I wanted to say is 'do what you want'?! Apologize!" Why is Lutz the one apologizing here? What did he do wrong? Yes, he finally got the recognizance, but what I find disappointing is that the anime somehow made him be the one apologizing for the dumb takes of the parents. They should be the ones apologizing for causing this whole situation and not Lutz for "being whinny" (which I understand why they see him like that, but as we know, was because their own ignorance). There is a comment before yours that explains the reasoning in the source, which is quite understandable, but in the anime there was absolutely nothing that could make us (and Lutz) understand it, it looked like their parents couldn't make their mind and changed their speech half way without reasons. |
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| Ah yes, Ferdinand's (now that we have an actual name to the High Priest and not the title of the position or rank) broken calculator (LOL) has caused further middling and dragging others into Lutz recklessness and further misunderstanding. Lutz ending up as Benno's heir was interesting. |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| The priest is such a kuudere. Not only did he pretend to be really dense so Lutz' family would spell out to Myne what was really doing on as part of a lesson for her. But he also gave her his name in the most roundabout way possible and looked the other way like some sort of tsundere. |
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| Myne's reaction when she realized receiving the eavesdropping artifact thingy was so she could be forced to shut up was hilarious. That whole thing was a communication disaster but Lutz becoming Benno's heir was a cool silver lining, not to mention Ferdinand's surprise name reveal. |
Ten said: That's so... stupid. What's up with this logic "Do what you want! But don't go to the next town! But we told you to do what you what, why do you complain, you whiny baby!" And the way his brother and friends made a scene in front of everyone in the shop, that's so embarrassing. I can't think of the resolution as heartwarming at all. Agree. There is no logic at all. And why everyone is effin crying for every dumb reason? |
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JGordonson said:
With that out of the way, my only annoyance at this point is Myne then. Her behavior pretty much makes the isekai element pointless to me. She acts her current age all the damn time; it rarely if ever comes across that there's a grown woman in there somewhere.
With that out of the way, my only annoyance at this point is Myne then. Her behavior pretty much makes the isekai element pointless to me. She acts her current age all the damn time; it rarely if ever comes across that there's a grown woman in there somewhere.
The author mentioned at some point (in twitter iirc) that everyone should remember that Main may have the memories of her teenager japanese self, but she still has the physical brain of a 7-year old. And that is a big limitation.
Also, even when she lived in Japan, her social skills were pretty poor, as she was always stuck in her library instead of interacting with others.
| @daedalron Yea no. I don't care what the author says, the writing/show that Myne has the brain of a 50 year old career woman. I don't care that she's 7 or was supposedly 22. They absolutely wrote her as a 50 year old woman with absurd amount of experience. |
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| This episode is absurd. Everything about it was absolutely broken. Lutz family has been harassing him for over 2 years Lutz has been apparently giving them more money than any of them earn, as has been proven in the episode where they made the hairpins in the first season. When they discovered Lutz place of work they decided to cause such an insane commotion that any reasonable establishment would have fired Lutz Lutz should be moving towards getting a restraining order against them. No, Lutz should not have been the one to apologize, and BULLSH... that he was misunderstanding the dad's or family's position. Everything about this episode is absurd. The characters have literally completely flipped on a dime and are pretending they always intended these position. This is GASLIGHTING by the author |
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