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Feb 21, 2020 9:21 AM
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That's a pretty high reward offered to deal with the mastermind of a terrorist.

Looks like we got the main detectives all on the case so it's a pretty big deal. Pretty crazy shit that went down at the arena. This episode showed the seriousness of terrorist threats.
Feb 21, 2020 10:35 AM
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I can't imagine Moriarty put hamsters in a thousand of lunchboxes
Feb 21, 2020 11:24 AM
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*surprised pikachu face*

If Moriarty ends up being just another generic villain without any other motives except "fun", I'll be disappointed. I still want to know what happened during his time in prison. He was getting beaten up (and possibly raped or something idk) but then suddenly he controls everyone? How tf?
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Feb 21, 2020 11:27 AM
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We all knew that Moriarty was behind but I want to know the reason why he is doing all this.

Feb 21, 2020 12:15 PM
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The Moriarty reveal happened a lot sooner than I'd expected. Now, I want to know why he did what he did. Based on his expressions, it looks like there's more than him just wanting to entertain Sherlock.

The twist at the end was actually good. I didn't think only one character would die.

Moriarty looks a bit weird in a suit. He is designed with Shoujo manga proportions, but his body has realistic proportions when he's wearing his suit, making him look like a tiny head added on a big body.
Feb 21, 2020 4:12 PM
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Well I didn't expect it to all just come out like that. I want to know more of Jame's motivations.
Feb 21, 2020 4:42 PM
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I'd like to believe there's... "reason behind his madness", as one would say. But at this point, I'm [Í]this[/i] close to just dropping the series, and I rarely do that, especially this close to the end.

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If Moriarty ends up being just another generic villain without any other motives except "fun", I'll be disappointed. I still want to know what happened during his time in prison.

This here. This whole 180 of his literally makes no sense, and it's maddening. We got glimpses of him suffering in prison, and then suddenly skipped almost a year and now he's this criminal mastermind - for fun? Just no. We need to see what happened, how it happened, why it happened.... and right now I'm not even sure we will, and that'd be this series getting flushed down the toilet.
Feb 21, 2020 5:06 PM
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Even everything with his sister plays into it as well. Something real bad must have happened in prison. I can't imagine him just doing this stuff for Fun.

I hope the post credits with Lucy looking for Mary are not something bad. This ending got me worried for next week.
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Feb 21, 2020 6:53 PM
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Man, I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one who will turn from liking this to hating this if Moriarty's motives aren't well explained and justified.
Not even the "twist" of him being the evil mastermind alone in itself will save this if nothing else does, because everyone who's heard of Sherlock Holmes in their life knows about the characters and could see this coming from the start of the series.
Feb 21, 2020 7:31 PM

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What a stinking piece of shit of a preface to the climax for this arc.

So the author is so stupid and arrogant to think that the audience is going to fall for such a childish set up of a genius teenager that is able to deliver each and every lunch box taking notes on the marked boxes with the "duds" on a stadium that probably holds 50K to 100K viewers, and has also enough time to write up witty riddles to sent multiple times to Sherlock's crew?

And worst of all, just like the other detective crap show of the season, he's got special powers to "hypnotize" and make regular people his own suicide pawns to send a message for Sherlock to decipher exactly in the climax of his demise, not before or after.

What a waste of effort for the animation staff this series has been
Feb 22, 2020 5:13 AM
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I wonder what encourage him to do that
It more than he told right?
Feb 22, 2020 2:55 PM

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Yeah, Moriarty reveal happened sooner than I thought. I am still confident there is more to his motivations tho.

Also that post credit looks like trouble for sisters. I assume Watson might play a large role there which might potentially progress his relationship with Mary, if that's at all supposed to go anywhere that is.
Feb 22, 2020 3:10 PM

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Kimurah said:
What a stinking piece of shit of a preface to the climax for this arc.

So the author is so stupid and arrogant to think that the audience is going to fall for such a childish set up of a genius teenager that is able to deliver each and every lunch box taking notes on the marked boxes with the "duds" on a stadium that probably holds 50K to 100K viewers, and has also enough time to write up witty riddles to sent multiple times to Sherlock's crew?

And worst of all, just like the other detective crap show of the season, he's got special powers to "hypnotize" and make regular people his own suicide pawns to send a message for Sherlock to decipher exactly in the climax of his demise, not before or after.

What a waste of effort for the animation staff this series has been


I know people like you find this really hard to understand, but, you can just stop watching it.

That aside, who voices Albert Trevor? This voice isn't gravelly enough to be Norio Wakamoto. A bit too deep for Akio Ootsuka.
Feb 22, 2020 5:12 PM

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To help his dad progress through the elections, Moriarty takes on more effort, but the public knows it well within the crease of the crux of the root problem: the connections of Mayor Moran and Jack the Ripper (which for it's worth, speculating that Moriarty is the one).

Once again, another prison escapee with the intention to murder Moriarty's dad on top of unsuspecting audience within a party. And with a hefty sum of prize money, the chase is on with the Pipecat Bar detectives all mobilized to their own devices with Sherlock's help to disguise out the bomb within lots of duds.

For Sherlock to realize that Moriarty is behind all this, it has probably come one message TOO LATE within few episodes, even as novel readers of Sherlock and the OP actually foreshadowing it all. All those shouting and all, it's all part of his nefarious plans.

Don't need to re-emphasize this, but +1 in cahoots with everyone thinking that Moriarty did an 180 "just for fun", which is NOT even a decent way to go around playing at the ideas of novels written of the great detective. His idea of simple manipulation isn't as justifiable, even if explained proper. What truly happened in his time in prison, hope this will shine a light and get explained soon.
Feb 22, 2020 7:08 PM

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nanimeanswhat said:
*surprised pikachu face*

If Moriarty ends up being just another generic villain without any other motives except "fun", I'll be disappointed. I still want to know what happened during his time in prison. He was getting beaten up (and possibly raped or something idk) but then suddenly he controls everyone? How tf?


This pretty much sums up my thoughts. I'm beginning to like him less and less.

Also, I wonder if Moriarity is going to use Mary hostage or something.
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Feb 22, 2020 11:33 PM
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nanimeanswhat said:
*surprised pikachu face*

If Moriarty ends up being just another generic villain without any other motives except "fun", I'll be disappointed. I still want to know what happened during his time in prison. He was getting beaten up (and possibly raped or something idk) but then suddenly he controls everyone? How tf?

The thing with Moriarty is that, it was drastically changed compared to the original depiction, and i mean in all kind of adaptations, like, in the original novels, moriarty its just a criminal genius, a dude who is excellent at his work and wants to make this crimes because they leave profit, like any other criminal, its probably the worst villain sherlock holmes ever encountered, but it just appeared in one or two books, and after that, i think its not even mentioned again. Conclusion, it was just a chapter's antagonist, like any other. But, in most of the new adaptations, moriarty is depicted as this evil psychopath who only wants to make sherlock suffer to prove he is actually smarter than him and nothing else. In this anime, they went with the 'I'am a dangerous and unstable dude with a tragic backstory and reasons to make this cruel shit'. so i am not surprised if they choose the 'fun' path for moriarty's crimes.
Feb 23, 2020 10:41 AM

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Nah dude. In the books moriarty is Sherlock biggest enemy. He isn't a chapter's antagonist, he is Sherlock's archenemy
Feb 23, 2020 10:43 AM

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I had quite some fun with this episode. I liked how the moriarty reveal was handled, even tho I read the books.
Feb 24, 2020 7:47 AM

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Moriarty is, as expected, behind these last few cases, and it turns out he is indeed twisted. But he isn't "controlling" people, "just" taking advantage of their "desires" and making them kill themselves in the end for his own amusement, and maybe something else. And Sherlock realized it, but he continued to "play these games" while showing no wish to stop Moriarty, and going as far as agreeing to kiss his shoes so he would stop a bomb from exploding. Let's hope that kick to his face works as a wake-up call. I don't know, but I guess it's safe to say that Watson will prevent Sherlock from truly losing himself.
Feb 24, 2020 9:20 PM

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There's still too much they haven't explained yet from the first half, namely why Sebastian wanted James dead in the first place. I feel like what James is doing is less directed at Sherlock and more at his father; maybe he did see what was on that flash drive and we're watching an elaborate revenge plot.
Feb 25, 2020 7:34 AM

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SoraSenpai said:
I hope the post credits with Lucy looking for Mary are not something bad. This ending got me worried for next week.


in books she is Watson's wife so I doubt she will die. I think this scene was to shown chaos that Moriarty did.
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Feb 25, 2020 7:50 AM

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Nah dude. In the books moriarty is Sherlock biggest enemy. He isn't a chapter's antagonist, he is Sherlock's archenemy


You are technically wrong in this case:
"The character was introduced primarily as a narrative device to enable Doyle to kill Sherlock Holmes, and only featured in two of the Sherlock Holmes stories. However, in adaptations, he has often been given a greater prominence and treated as Sherlock Holmes' archenemy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Moriarty

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Interesting, I would never assume that Moriarty was episodic villain in books knowing that in adaptations he is basically like Joker for Batman.
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Feb 25, 2020 6:01 PM

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I can't imagine Moriarty put hamsters in a thousand of lunchboxes


And putting ribbons on the girl hamsters. Did they even have air holes?
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Nieznajomy43 said:
Frostyinside said:
@1MnC

Nah dude. In the books moriarty is Sherlock biggest enemy. He isn't a chapter's antagonist, he is Sherlock's archenemy


You are technically wrong in this case:
"The character was introduced primarily as a narrative device to enable Doyle to kill Sherlock Holmes, and only featured in two of the Sherlock Holmes stories. However, in adaptations, he has often been given a greater prominence and treated as Sherlock Holmes' archenemy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Moriarty

@1MnC
Interesting, I would never assume that Moriarty was episodic villain in books knowing that in adaptations he is basically like Joker for Batman.


I've always felt like moriarty is like the joker for sherlock. I think that even Sherlock said that he is his greatest enemy. If he didn't say that, I'm sure he said that he is the mastermind behind huge scandals and some shit. I'm not sure how he worded it, but he basically said moriarty is like sherlock exept he's a villan.
Feb 26, 2020 1:25 AM

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This was ridiculous. All those lunch boxes had hamsters or some sort of pranks and not a single one of them was opened before the detectives found them. Just wow.
Feb 26, 2020 4:56 PM

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That aside, who voices Albert Trevor? This voice isn't gravelly enough to be Norio Wakamoto. A bit too deep for Akio Ootsuka.


Pretty sure it's Houchuu Ootsuka.
Feb 29, 2020 6:20 AM
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I just hope they will explain well the descent of Moriarty's sociopathic personality.



Johnny-Jay said:
ScotlandTheWhat said:
That aside, who voices Albert Trevor? This voice isn't gravelly enough to be Norio Wakamoto. A bit too deep for Akio Ootsuka.


Pretty sure it's Houchuu Ootsuka.



I second this. It's him.
Jan 18, 2021 8:51 AM

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Moriarty you messed up bastard! He really has too much time on his hand for preparing all those boxes just to play this 'game' against Holmes. I really want to know the reason why he turned into a criminal mastermind

Mar 19, 2021 6:18 PM

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Moriarty is crazy. A shame that his sister died for him.

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