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https://twitter.com/anitrendz/status/1211172496050753537?s=21 Top anime, best ED and Alice lost to Fumino by only 300 votes for best girl. I'm personally ecstatic beyond belief. Like I said in my top review for WOU, SAO is a series that for some reason has been the subject of an immense hate circlejerk in the west. Some of the criticism is justified, Reki's writing definitely had some inconsistencies at the beginning and I'm not a fan of rape as a plot device to trigger a male reaction, but much of the hate has been unfounded due in part to the impact Youtubers like MB, Gigguk, Digibro etc have on the community. It's been trendy for a long time to shit on SAO and I'm glad that's starting to change due in large part to an absolute masterful adaptation by A-1 with Unlimited Budget Works level of Sakuga. In Japan, where it matters, SAO has always dominated and looks set to go into the decade with even more momentum, kirito won top male character of the decade for example from Newtype(not yet released, will be April volume) future's looking bright with Unital Ring volume 23 dropping a couple weeks ago as well. I'm excited. |
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Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
| @ Tomm01p Thanks for the substantive reply and contribution to the thread. Indeed, whatever you have to tell yourself. |
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| @Marinate1016 Sure, I'll give you a real reply if you want to. N.1. - this is the exact reason so many people make fun of SAO's community. As in the only time you come out of your hole is when you have some bs popularity numbers to boost your claims that SAO is in fact a great series, as if somehow popularity equaled quality or whatever. You even bring up the "West is full of haters, people love SAO in Japan" as if that was somehow a legit argument either. N.2 - the "it's just circlejerking because of the youtubers" argument is probably the biggest bs anyone could come up with. I don't disagree that there are a few people here and there that let this affect their opinion, but SAO gets shitted on for a reason, and most people who do dislike SAO have their own reasons for not liking the show. It's like you think people can't form negative opinions on their own. This also works the exact same way for positive opinions. People could just as easily get affected into liking SAO just as much as into disliking it. But no, people hate SAO because of youtubers, amirite? People hate SAO because it's popular, amirite? FMA:B is one of the most popular shows ever and everyone freaking loves it. Same goes for many other popular shows. Why not SAO? Hmmm, I wonder. Moreover, I find it funny that you say the that "much of the hate has been UNFOUNDED" as if there weren't already enough articles, videos or reviews explaining in-depth why SAO has problems. The 30-minute long videos you mentioned earlier are not just full of "SAO sucks because it sucks" you know, you maybe should've given them a try. Instead, it's the SAO community whose arguments for why they think it's good usually don't go beyond "well, it's fun and all and Kirito is badass". Any opinion on art is valid as long as the person can explain and defend their thinking. N.3 - If you haven't noticed, most people have given up on discussing SAO years ago, which renders this "haha, in your face haters!" thread absolutely pointless. The only thing it does is that it shows that you're still salty about how your beloved series got exposed for not being well-written, constructed or anything. I agree that SAO is still memed on quite frequently but it's just memes, and I know a lot of people who like SAO that meme it too. Essentially, you're talking to nobody here other than the SAO fanbase itself, and if that isn't circlejerking , than I don't know what is. (I came here to see what will the SAO community come up with after the new season, and alas, you didn't disappoint.) Also, putting the space between the @ and my name just so that I wouldn't actually get tagged? Cmon. |
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
Blaze35 said: Marinate1016 said: https://twitter.com/anitrendz/status/1211172496050753537?s=21 absolute masterful adaptation by A-1 with Unlimited Budget Works level of Sakuga. Calling this adaptation of Alicization a masterful adaptation is a stretch knowing the original LN. Explain your reasoning with this statement. Because the original LN for the arc (9-18) was also masterful hence the reviews and numbers it put up. I notice whenever threads like this go up, even in the Sao forum, SAO haters come out of the woodwork. Unless I misinterpreted what you’re implying, if that’s the case, apologies. @StormFarron185 of course they are, anytime SAO receives any type of mention a certain crowd comes out the woodwork to say "SAO bad, FMAB, HxH and SnK good!" Luckily, the numbers are finally turning. |
Marinate1016Dec 29, 2019 2:01 AM
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Tomm01p said: @Marinate1016 Sure, I'll give you a real reply if you want to. N.1. - this is the exact reason so many people make fun of SAO's community. As in the only time you come out of your hole is when you have some bs popularity numbers to boost your claims that SAO is in fact a great series, as if somehow popularity equaled quality or whatever. You even bring up the "West is full of haters, people love SAO in Japan" as if that was somehow a legit argument either. N.2 - the "it's just circlejerking because of the youtubers" argument is probably the biggest bs anyone could come up with. I don't disagree that there are a few people here and there that let this affect their opinion, but SAO gets shitted on for a reason, and most people who do dislike SAO have their own reasons for not liking the show. It's like you think people can't form negative opinions on their own. This also works the exact same way for positive opinions. People could just as easily get affected into liking SAO just as much as into disliking it. But no, people hate SAO because of youtubers, amirite? People hate SAO because it's popular, amirite? FMA:B is one of the most popular shows ever and everyone freaking loves it. Same goes for many other popular shows. Why not SAO? Hmmm, I wonder. Moreover, I find it funny that you say the that "much of the hate has been UNFOUNDED" as if there weren't already enough articles, videos or reviews explaining in-depth why SAO has problems. The 30-minute long videos you mentioned earlier are not just full of "SAO sucks because it sucks" you know, you maybe should've given them a try. Instead, it's the SAO community whose arguments for why they think it's good usually don't go beyond "well, it's fun and all and Kirito is badass". Any opinion on art is valid as long as the person can explain and defend their thinking. N.3 - If you haven't noticed, most people have given up on discussing SAO years ago, which renders this "haha, in your face haters!" thread absolutely pointless. The only thing it does is that it shows that you're still salty about how your beloved series got exposed for not being well-written, constructed or anything. I agree that SAO is still memed on quite frequently but it's just memes, and I know a lot of people who like SAO that meme it too. Essentially, you're talking to nobody here other than the SAO fanbase itself, and if that isn't circlejerking , than I don't know what is. (I came here to see what will the SAO community come up with after the new season, and alas, you didn't disappoint.) Also, putting the space between the @ and my name just so that I wouldn't actually get tagged? Cmon. I replied to you on mobile and copied your name, I didn't intentionally put a space between your name. I want you to be tagged, trust. As I said in my OP and review, there are certainly valid criticisms of SAO. Also, as I said in my OP and review, you'll notice most of them have been improved upon substantially in Alicization as Reki's writing improved drastically since Aincrad. So not sure why you chose to ignore those, guess they didn't fit your narrative? For two, yes, I am talking to the SAO fanbase, that's kind of the point of posting in the SAO forums? Sharing the news and discussing with the fanbase. If you don't like SAO at this point, there's no need in torturing yourself to discuss it or watch it. Although, objectively this cour has been received extremely positive reviews, top ones here are all singing songs of praise in contrast to previous installations of the series. To your argument that "most people have given up on discussing SAO" that's just objectively false and I'm not sure where you're getting that information from other than making up things for the sake of an argument here. Check the numbers in the threads on here, NicoNico, r/anime, whatever metric you want to measure it by, SAO is doing better than ever critically and financially. "Everyone loves FMAB" No they don't, I'm testament to that. FMAB is not nearly as big in JP as it is in the west. Yes, things that are popular do tend to attract more haters and criticism, that's just how it goes with fame in any aspect of life. More people see things, the more they analyse and criticise. > this is the exact reason so many people make fun of SAO's community. As in the only time you come out of your hole is when you have some bs popularity numbers to boost your claims that SAO is in fact a great series, as if somehow popularity equaled quality or whatever. You even bring up the "West is full of haters, people love SAO in Japan" as if that was somehow a legit argument either. I was never in a hole so not sure what this is supposed to be about and it seems like you have a lot of unresolved tension and anger going on towards SAO and life in general. I really hope you get that sorted bud, it's not normal to let something you don't like occupy your thoughts so much. Happy new year. |
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| @Lel0uchZer0 Not really, SAO has never won this award and came 2nd several times. Babylonia lost out by a few dozen votes, it was close. They were both deserving of the W imo. Babylon killed its momentum by taking a 6 week break after what was potentially one of the greatest episodes of anime of all time. Anyway, I'm sharing it for SAO fans here on the SAO forum so sorry if your series didn't win. |
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| It’s deserved, became the best anime of the season and the best anime action or adventure is a great thing, especially because it came from an independent community such Anime Trending is. |
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Tomm01p said: Whatever you gotta tell yourself man :shrug: Lol. The hate is not unfounded. It has a lot of reasons. But I do feel that the haters exaggerate sometimes. There are haters who even acclaim it to be the worst anime ever made. There are also people who haven't actually watched it, hate it just for the sake of popular approach. We have problems with those haters. Btw, try out alicization. It's very good. I wouldn't say if it deserves 1st place but it has definitely been one of the top animes of this fall season. |
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| xD there are literally 5 other shows that would have deserved it more and im saying this from a purely objective point of view because i didn't particularly enjoy any of the shows this season the fact this won just means that their entire opinions are worthless and invalid even a dog could pick a better and more fitting choice lmao maybe i should make a twitter for my dog, put pictures of seasonal anime in front of him and the anime that the dog sits on wins the award would have just as much credibility as those guys twitter lmao |
Nim0174Dec 29, 2019 2:18 AM
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Marinate1016 said: I replied to you on mobile and copied your name, I didn't intentionally put a space between your name. I want you to be tagged, trust. Fair enough, I believe you. Marinate1016 said: As I said in my OP and review, there are certainly valid criticisms of SAO. Also, as I said in my OP and review, you'll notice most of them have been improved upon substantially in Alicization as Reki's writing improved drastically since Aincrad. So not sure why you chose to ignore those, guess they didn't fit your narrative? "Some of the criticism is justified, but MOST is unfounded" Oh i'm not ignoring anything, I'm reacting exactly to what you're writing. Also not sure why I should be reading your review, but let's leave that alone. (EDIT: okay, I actually did stumble on your review now. You understand that saying "it's great, it's the best, it's gorgeous" doesn't mean anything to the reader, right? You gotta connect these thoughts to examples or expand on them for review to have any persuasive value. You say it improved, but I have no idea why, how or on what level.) There's nothing I can take from you saying it got better, I'm sorry. It holds as much value as when some other guy says it hasn't. Marinate1016 said: For two, yes, I am talking to the SAO fanbase, that's kind of the point of posting in the SAO forums? Sharing the news and discussing with the fanbase. If you don't like SAO at this point, there's no need in torturing yourself to discuss it or watch it. Although, objectively this cour has been received extremely positive reviews, top ones here are all singing songs of praise in contrast to previous installations of the series. If you're talking to the SAO fanbase, why the incredibly corny "SAO has been hated for such a long time" narrative? Just make a normal post and leave it at that. I don't like SAO, you're right on that. But you're misunderstanding if you think I'm here to make fun of the series. I'm just here to laugh at the community who take it real personal when their series gets criticised. Positive reviews? I really hope you don't need MAL reviews... Marinate1016 said: To your argument that "most people have given up on discussing SAO" that's just objectively false and I'm not sure where you're getting that information from other than making up things for the sake of an argument here. Check the numbers in the threads on here, NicoNico, r/anime, whatever metric you want to measure it by, SAO is doing better than ever critically and financially. Hmm, I thought that the meaning of that sentence would come clear after reading the rest of the paragraph, but apparently not. I didn't add "most people who have negative opinions on SAO have given up discussing it" as in SAO forums nowadays are mostly positive, or at least, not full of trolls, which wasn't the case a few years back. Basically, this goes back to the "SAO has been hated for such a long time but here are the numbers that prove otherwise" narrative that just showed how much you wanted to dunk on them haters, while there aren't really many people who actively hate SAO on forums nowadays, which renders the tone of the thread pointless and if anything makes you seem like you're just trying to prove a point that's not even there. Marinate1016 said: "Everyone loves FMAB" No they don't, I'm testament to that. FMAB is not nearly as big in JP as it is in the west. Yes, things that are popular do tend to attract more haters and criticism, that's just how it goes with fame in any aspect of life. More people see things, the more they analyse and criticise. I wouldn't necessarily say that popular things do attract more haters and criticism in any special way. It's more that since more people have seen them, obviously more people have disliked them. But I wouldn't say that popular things have more "critics per people watched" than not as popular things by standard. They are more vocal about it though, that's a given. Marinate1016 said: I was never in a hole so not sure what this is supposed to be about and it seems like you have a lot of unresolved tension and anger going on towards SAO and life in general. I really hope you get that sorted bud, it's not normal to let something you don't like occupy your thoughts so much. Happy new year. Great last paragraph to already a great thread. THis is gonna be my source of entertainment for a few days. <3 |
Tomm01pDec 29, 2019 6:06 AM
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
biswa290701 said: Tomm01p said: Whatever you gotta tell yourself man :shrug: Lol. The hate is not unfounded. It has a lot of reasons. But I do feel that the haters exaggerate sometimes. There are haters who even acclaim it to be the worst anime ever made. There are also people who haven't actually watched it, hate it just for the sake of popular approach. We have problems with those haters. Btw, try out alicization. It's very good. I wouldn't say if it deserves 1st place but it has definitely been one of the top animes of this fall season. But those haters are mostly innactive nowadays, aren't they? I mean, I agree that the SAO hatred, at its peak, was really over the top. But this is the whole point I'm trying to make, most people who hated SAO have given up on both watching it and discussing it. The number of haters in the SAO community is nowadays not bigger than in any other community. People talk shit everywhere. |
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StormFarron185 said: I do love how people Just assume those 30 minute plus videos shitting on SAO are in any way correct. To say SAO is a bad series is anyway shape or form is objectively wrong. You are free to not enjoy it and make videos explaining why, but those reasons boil down to nothing more than subjectivity. Most of the time anyway, any actual legitimate objective criticism of SAO tends to only make up a minor portion of anyone list of reasons to hate the show. Fuck it, let’s take Kirito as an example. He is objectively, without question a decently written character. Not the best in the series as there are some things that be improved upon but he has his own personality, his own goals, his own dreams to fulfil in life. He interactions with the rest of the cast are what make up a lot of his characterisation. So he is an objectively well rounded character. Now subjectively, you can still hate him because of his personality or any other reason like maybe because he appeals to a group of people you hate (which is such a political way of viewing any type of story that it’s really just sad) or even an even more shallow reason that you don’t like his black and “edgy” design. I use Kirito as an example but this applies to all of SAO. Most of the series ranges from being average to well written. There is no denying this, to do so is simply delusional. There are problems in the story, most of it are in Aincrad (which is ironically the one arc that most people who hate SAO say is the best. That alone speaks volumes) but to say SAO is a bad series overall is unironic lying. The good outweighs the bad by a wide margin. This is factual and cannot be argued without lying. Which many people “critical” of SAO tend to do. If you want to argue SAO’s quality then you need to take your subjective feelings and throw them out the window. There are things I don’t like about SAO and yet I can still concede that they are well written. For example Yuuki’s death in season 2, I would prefer that she live and join the rest of the cast, however it is undeniable that her entire story and character is extremely well done. Even if I did not like the way it ended, it is still objectively a good ending for her character. TLDR: Please use facts to criticise SAO, if you can’t then get out. It's awesome how you manage to counter-argument yourself in one post. Seriously, good job. I think you've missed the last sentence of that paragraph you quoted. "Any opinion on art is valid as long as the person can explain and defend their thinking." I never said that the videos are objectively right, almost all things regarding anime come down to subjectivity. But you're wrong on one thing. The videos, reviews or articles, are not doing anything but stating the opinion of their author. In a sense, they're nothing but subjective opinions put on the internet. They're not "objective" or "right", they're just opinions like any other, just like yours or mine. To say that these are objectively wrong, and then proceed to write 3 paragraphs of your subjective opinion and say its objectively right, that's the most laughable thing I've seen on MAL in quite a while. All I'm saying is that these videos exists, and that (some of them) explain the thinking of the author in a very respectful and coherent manner, which makes the viewers understand why they didn't like SAO or any other series. In the quoted post, I was just counter-argumenting that "people hate SAO just because it's popular" by saying this as an exampe that there are thousands of ways you can read/watch about the reasons people don't like it. |
Tomm01pDec 29, 2019 2:45 AM
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
StormFarron185 said: No, you are wrong. Art can be objective. Whether not a character and story stays consistent within the rules of the setting can be deduced by objectively. It can be right or wrong. Whether or not you enjoy said character or story however, is subjective. I could hate Kirito with the force of a thousand suns but that doesn’t mean he isn’t decently written. Hiding behind “it’s just an opinion bro” is weak and what’s really laughable. But I see that this is a waste of time, the narrative of “SAO is bad” must be preserved at any cost amirite? Actual quality be damned. Talking about SAO is like talking about politics. Doesn’t matter what objective facts are brought up, many people will stick their head in the sand and deny it all day long. All because the narrative matters above everything else. W-wow, I actually have no idea how to reply to this. I think you'd make for a good youtuber honestly. Although I just defended them, it's true that some of them do put too much value on their opinions and think they are objectively right. "Whether a character and story stays consistent within the rules of the setting can be deduced by objectively" is not only false, but also pretty ironic being said in a SAO thread, because it has multiple famous deus-ex machinas that break the lore of the anime entirely. Also, to be serious for just a sec here, I'm not here trying to say that SAO is bad, I'm just here saying that all opinions are valid when explained in clarity, just like I already wrote multiple times. Good job ignoring me. |
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
| wtf is AnimeTrending? this is the second time i see someone posted something about it and that site came out of nowhere like is it even sponsored by some big anime companies? lol |
Lel0uchZer0 said: Marinate1016 said: @Lel0uchZer0 Not really, SAO has never won this award and came 2nd several times. Babylonia lost out by a few dozen votes, it was close. They were both deserving of the W imo. Babylon killed its momentum by taking a 6 week break after what was potentially one of the greatest episodes of anime of all time. Anyway, I'm sharing it for SAO fans here on the SAO forum so sorry if your series didn't win. To be honest i personally needed that break from babylon haha... absolutely killed me with that episode I think fate/go is the best fate series to date... tho i am biased because i jist love gilgamesh If you like Gil you'd like Prisma Illya and Fate 06, assuming you've already seen them tho. @Blaze35 there was very little that they left out and that's what makes this adaptation so good. Volumes 15 and 16 were perfectly adapted. They did cut a few scenes from 17 in this ep, but other than that it's been nearly 1 to 1 which is rare. |
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deg said: wtf is AnimeTrending? this is the second time i see someone posted something about it and that site came out of nowhere like is it even sponsored by some big anime companies? lol It's just a community in FB predominantly popular among Asians. Nothing official. The list was interesting so I posted it to have a discussion about it. Lol SAO was good this season and hence won it. But it's nothing to brag about. XD But I'll say these community rankings are way better than Crunchyroll's official ones. ππ |
Biswa_29Dec 29, 2019 10:44 AM
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biswa290701 said: deg said: wtf is AnimeTrending? this is the second time i see someone posted something about it and that site came out of nowhere like is it even sponsored by some big anime companies? lol It's just a community in FB predominantly popular among Asians. Nothing official. The list was interesting so I posted it to have a discussion about it. Lol SAO was good this season and hence won it. But it's nothing to brag about. XD welp are they a big group though like hundreds of thousands of members at least? |
deg said: biswa290701 said: It's just a community in FB predominantly popular among Asians. Nothing official. The list was interesting so I posted it to have a discussion about it. Lol SAO was good this season and hence won it. But it's nothing to brag about. XD welp are they a big group though like hundreds of thousands of members at least? Yes they are. I think around 840k. |
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biswa290701 said: deg said: welp are they a big group though like hundreds of thousands of members at least? Yes they are. I think around 840k. ok thats good enough sample size for the anime fandom since MAL only has 6 million anyway compared to CruchyRoll that has 40 million members |
deg said: ok thats good enough sample size for the anime fandom since MAL only has 6 million anyway compared to CruchyRoll that has 40 million members It has increased over the past couple of years though. I'm an Asian myself but didn't know that a community like that existed before this season. Lol |
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Blaze35 said: @biswa290701 Is this Anime trending group only on FB or do they also have a site? Sorry if I ask you but it's the first time I hear them. Darikan said: @Blaze35 Zakkaria is dealt with almost exclusively in vol. 10, so you can understand that A1-Pictures did without it, the place doesn't play a role in the war of Underworld anyway. @Marinate1016 is right that they have not cut much, and monologues in books are more suitable than in films / series. Hence why i said that A1 did a good job with vol 15-16 (WoU) but not with vol 9 to 14. Again this ks my opinion and as such i would like you all to respect it Yes they have a site. They use it for the polls. The FB page is the updated one though. The website is updated a little late. https://anitrendz.net/ |
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biswa290701 said: deg said: ok thats good enough sample size for the anime fandom since MAL only has 6 million anyway compared to CruchyRoll that has 40 million members It has increased over the past couple of years though. I'm an Asian myself but didn't know that a community like that existed before this season. Lol im asian too but never heard of them until now |
Blaze35 said: Maybe even too much π. Also i like your quote "SAO Progressive needs an anime. It is the real SAO not the rushed original." in all probability we will get an adaptation for it very soon.(fingers crossed for a good director) Still knowing how much it take for a new volume to came out i will die before seeing progressive end and it doesnt help that Kawahara has 3 active series right now π₯ Lets hope that Kawahara will speed up and A1 will continue the god-like animation with Progressive. Lol |
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biswa290701 said: Blaze35 said: Maybe even too much π. Also i like your quote "SAO Progressive needs an anime. It is the real SAO not the rushed original." in all probability we will get an adaptation for it very soon.(fingers crossed for a good director) Still knowing how much it take for a new volume to came out i will die before seeing progressive end and it doesnt help that Kawahara has 3 active series right now π₯ Lets hope that Kawahara will speed up and A1 will continue the god-like animation with Progressive. Lol Is Accel world still going on? |
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Marinate1016 said: biswa290701 said: Lets hope that Kawahara will speed up and A1 will continue the god-like animation with Progressive. Lol Is Accel world still going on? Yeah it's towards the end like SAO |
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| @biswa290701 SAO is nowhere near finished. Reki wants to go back to underworld after UR. But I’ve heard the plan is to eventually merge Accel World and SAO since they take place in the same universe that would be cool. |
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