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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE NOVELS BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- AKA Episode 19 I liked how they lingered more on Yang's reaction to Jessica's death this time, especially with the sunglasses part that the narrator definitely did not need to tell us about. The tone also improved from the ova and novels with some rearranging of scenes by placing the stadium massacre after Baghdash's recruitment so we can directly transition to Yang's response. on another note, the background music is starting to get repetitive. they must've used that battle track in nearly every episode so far |
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| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| This version overly dramatizes a lot of scenes. I can understand why they chose to do it, but by doing so the series forfeits a lot of details that added so much context to a lot of the situations. The stadium massacre in particular was butchered here imo. The scene before the massacre that showed the leaders discuss the situation as well as show their zeal, some more than others, that gave you information as to how they think and act. The guy who caused the massacre was always an asshole but at least he felt like an actual character. The dialogue and provocations during that situation were really dumbed down as well, though, idk why I should be surprised anymore since that's how it's been in this version. I'm guessing the director chose to portray this story in the manner in hopes of appealing to larger audience? The problem is that, imo, the strength of LoGH doesn't come from the story, but how the story is told, and by sarcificing a lot of story details, characters and dialogue just for more dramatic moments, then they've decided to turn something special into something ordinary. But all things considered, I'm still enjoying this version. I honestly wish I could watch this series without thinking and comparing it to the original ova with every new episode. |
| I remembered this is one of the episode that's really hard to watch T_T The OVA handled it better (including Yang's reaction, where here it felt pretty funny lol), but still brutal. At least we can tell what the exact cause of her death.... I'm sure she'll gone at some point, even earlier, but damn, I wished she have more screen time Gorgeous space battle as usual. That Triglav flagship is dope AF Edit: No wonder Murai sounds familiar. Same VA as Sanada from Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 (remake). A voice of logic & reason in spaceships. |
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| Lots of suspense again. I felt uneasy with Baghdash around and waited for a tragic incident to happen within the ranks of Yang's men. However, in the end it was Jessica who bit the dust. The stadium massacre really triggered me. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Yeah, the OVA hadnled the Stadium Massacre way better (Greenhill had ordered Christian to restore public order peacefully something that they skipped entirely and acted like they didn't know where he was or what he was doing in the stadium, the riot was far more intense and infuritating to watch) but gotta admit Jessica's death was more graphic here. Also, Yang's way to hide his expression with the sunglasses was also an interesting approach to depict his mourn. As usual, the visuals in space are astonishing and Baghdash ultimately changed sides since he sees Yang coming out victorious at the end. |
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| This episode (19) is equivalent to episode 21 from the OVA series, which mean we have 5 episodes to cover 5 episodes before the end of the first season of the OVA (ep26). Looks like things are only going to get more hectic from now on, prepare yourselves for 'that' scene in the third movie's final episode |
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Bambang_Tri_W said: _cjessop18_ said: This episode (19) is equivalent to episode 21 from the OVA series, which mean we have 5 episodes to cover 5 episodes before the end of the first season of the OVA (ep26). Looks like things are only going to get more hectic from now on, prepare yourselves for 'that' scene in the third movie's final episode Can't prepare myself for "that scene" after seeing Jessica in this episode. I hope it will get same tragic feels like OVA version 😥 They made this episode quite dramatic, so it'll definitely be one hell of an episode |
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| Wlep too bad for Admiral Legrage's 11 fleet, he got owned by a Chinese guy Yang, nothing left for him but to shoot himself................ Man, that Baghdash guy has the opportunity to shoot Yang. I'm guessing he didn't push through with it cu'z he know he's in the winning side.... Oh dear Jessica just kicked the bucket after getting her head whack in a Judo throw and getting whack gain by a baton. Welp one for episode, I guess we're gonna finally see the National Salvation Army shits get owned. |
Nikki_Z said: This version overly dramatizes a lot of scenes. I can understand why they chose to do it, but by doing so the series forfeits a lot of details that added so much context to a lot of the situations. The stadium massacre in particular was butchered here imo. The scene before the massacre that showed the leaders discuss the situation as well as show their zeal, some more than others, that gave you information as to how they think and act. The guy who caused the massacre was always an asshole but at least he felt like an actual character. The dialogue and provocations during that situation were really dumbed down as well, though, idk why I should be surprised anymore since that's how it's been in this version. I'm guessing the director chose to portray this story in the manner in hopes of appealing to larger audience? The problem is that, imo, the strength of LoGH doesn't come from the story, but how the story is told, and by sarcificing a lot of story details, characters and dialogue just for more dramatic moments, then they've decided to turn something special into something ordinary. But all things considered, I'm still enjoying this version. I honestly wish I could watch this series without thinking and comparing it to the original ova with every new episode. I feel very much like you. I also feel that the death of Jessica was somewhat dumbed down here. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Well, honestly can't say if it was better or worse, I just wish this scene never happened in both versions to begin with >_< Jessica... T_T |
| This simplification of the source material has been par for the course the entire adaption. I am not really disappointed, but I do wish this episode was closer to the OVA material. It has me worried a little bit about future events because the small details and nuance is what makes this franchise epic. As a stand alone piece though this is still a good anime. |
| I agree. The Stadium Massacre was ok, but it could be better. I fear how Production IG will handle the "you know what". |
| Well, I see everyone here do a comparison... but just after watching the first part (season 1, in a way) I actually learned there was a previous one, so I didn't watch the OVA. I think both incidents felt meaningless in the wrong one, as characters take meaningless to achieve their goals. I can't say if it was better or worse, but I can say it was really impactful, especially the Stadium Massacre. |
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| Close to the novel again - with some changes. Yang got a report before deciding to attack the 11th fleet. While waiting he was in his room and got report papers that were wadded and thrown on the floor. The old OVA used a lot of stuff where stuff written on paper was used. (The author had a different view of the future back then. :D) So they just cut this instead of showing it modernized. (Also saved them some time for other scenes.) Legrange did only talk to his fleet before committing suicide and it wasn't mentioned that he adised to surrender - in the novel. The battle was a bit short again. The bigger changes were in the scenes at Heinessen. Before the massacre there was news of the defeat of the 11th fleet and the reaction of Greenhill, talks about a possible traitor in the salvation council (cause Trünicht must have gotten info so he could flee) and a talk with a Phezzan merchant about economig stuff. All small scenes though (barely 1 page in the novel). Was okay to cut it a bit. Important thing: The population is against the military council. (If it wasn't already because of additional economic problems their leadership brought.) They showed this at the end when Greenhill feared to in the minority. Bagdash scene in the novel was after the massacre. Here they had it before. Pretty close to the novel ... but I think Yang gave is own gun and mentioned he did have no use for it. (Since he isn't good at shooting/aiming.) The thing with the glasses was mentioned in the novel. |
| I guess Jessica Edwards loss would definitely affect the MC...i wonder if he's gonna turn ruthless...i but guess that attitude does not suit for him... 5/5. |
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| Damn, the death of Jessica was graphic, that Christian is really an asshole, I wish he would've been hanged instead of shot to death instantly. Looks like it's going to be more exciting next episode. As always, the visuals in space and space battles are just something to look at, it's astonishing. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| Poor guy never stood a chance against Yang. Especially with all of his strategies being exposed beforehand. Julian is really determined to protect Yang! RIP Jessica Edwards. It hurt her seeing her bloodied corpse. |
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| I guess this is the first seemingly minor but at the same time intimately major mistake Yang made when strategizing. Had he decided not to be overly cautious and to go straight to Heinessen instead, he would've made it in time for Jessica not to have to die... |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| Heart breaking. That's all I can say. Julian is a good right hand man btw. |
| oh shit the romantic interest of Yang which is Jessica died huh i wonder if he will take revenge and become violent too in the future |
| Dammit, I forgot about Jessica's death. The ED theme makes it hit that much harder. How ironic it is that those in power will often espouse poetic ideals of virtue & righteousness yet always fall back to violence & might when met with serious challenge. I'm a firm believer that "might is right" will forever dominate human history and moments like the Stadium Massacre deeply sadden me when I see it playing out. |
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| I’m glad Julian was prepared to shoot the guy, I don’t trust him either, so he’s right for being wary. After witnessing the devastating battle, of course, Julian would be more cautious. There's no way they killed Jessica like that. I was not expecting that at all. So many innocent people die for nothing. She had so much potential to be a great leader. I wonder how Yang is going to react to Jessica’s death; she was his last closest friend. Oh man, poor Yang, wearing glasses to hide his tears. |
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| RIP Jessica, this is where everything was set in motion. |
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